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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.

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Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.

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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.

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I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.



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I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.

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I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.

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Democrats would not approve of my attitude toward Russians in Ukraine and Trumptards in America.

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A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot.”

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says “You don’t understand. I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelenskyy. He is the one I was insulting.”

The police captain says “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”

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Well, it's all a joke except for the roughly 100,000+ dead/disabled Kiev soldiers, the continuing shots that the EU is taking at its own economy and the billions of dollars that we hemorrhaged into Ukraine.

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So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.

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So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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SECOND, get help.

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All of the scientists knew that their own personal fates depended on the success of the bomb. One of them later said that if it had failed they would have all been shot. As the story goes, Beria adopted a simple rule in deciding who should get what prize. Those who would have been shot if the bomb had failed, became Heroes of Socialist Labor; those who would have been imprisoned were awarded the less prestigious honor, the Order of Lenin.

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Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

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Hitler planned to defeat the Soviet Union in the winter of 1941, but he mismanaged and mistimed the offensive, opposed by most generals who feared a war on two fronts. Hitler ignored terrain and weather, meddling in the military, arguing, and losing precious time. Seventy percent of German forces moved on foot. Colonel General Franz Halder predicted that each infantry division needed 4,500 horses and 2,000 horse-drawn wheeled vehicles. But the obstinate Hitler ignored advice.

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So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

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So, Trumptards want to close the FBI is a disaster for Democrats? If you are stupid, you would think so, but if you are smart you would see that the Trumptards cut their own throats in the next election, just as they did when they support the end of Roe v Wade.

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Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland

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Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.


I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.

Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.

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Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland

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Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.


I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.

Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.

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Already long before the Ukraine crisis, at an April 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest, Vladimir Putin reportedly claimed that “Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? A part of its territory is [in] Eastern Europe, but a[nother] part, a considerable one, was a gift from us!” In his March 18, 2014 speech marking the annexation of Crimea, Putin declared that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ancient Rus’ is our common source and we cannot live without each other.” Since then, Putin has repeated similar claims on many occasions. As recently as February 2020, he once again stated in an interview that Ukrainians and Russians “are one and the same people”, and he insinuated that Ukrainian national identity had emerged as a product of foreign interference. Similarly, Russia’s then-Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a perplexed apparatchik in April 2016 that there has been “no state” in Ukraine, neither before nor after the 2014 crisis.

Such slogans and insinuations might be little more than a rhetorical smokescreen concealing a pursuit of sober, hard-nosed realpolitik. But there is much to suggest that these beliefs are in fact informing policymaking at the highest levels of power.

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Russians were wrong and are dismayed to discover that Ukrainians do care and do kill Russians.

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Anyway, just spitballing and trying to predict the future.

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Zelensky Warns Of 'Nastier' Phase Of War As Russia Says Dugin Car Bombing Was A 'Contract Killing'
by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Aug 21, 2022 - 07:50 AM

Update1050ET: Ukraine is bracing for a likely escalation in Russian attacks following last night's killing of the daughter of Alexander Dugin - Darya Dugina - by what looked to be a car bomb as she as driving his car home from an event. Based on the details that emerged, many believe it was an assassination attempt on the prominent but deeply controversial Russian political commentator and philosopher himself.

Contrary to current exaggerated Western mainstream headlines referring to him as "Putin's brain" - there's no clear evidence that Dugin and Putin have ever even met (much less a photograph of the two together or in the same room, which we've yet to find), though the influence of Dugin's thought on certain Russian political circles is clear. He's long been central to developing the so-called 'Russian world' ideology, but his influence on actual Kremlin policy circles has been marginal at best especially since 2014, given he's been much more hawkish and maximalist when it comes to the Ukraine crisis, at times uncomfortably so for Russia's political leadership.

On Sunday, Russia's Investigative Committee said in an official statement that it has opened a murder investigation following a car bomb being detonated under Alexander Dugin's vehicle, which only his daughter Darya was driving at the time (eyewitnesses say he switched cars at the last minute when returning from an event).
Via Sky News

According to Russia’s Investigative Committee, the Toyota Land Cruiser she was driving was ripped apart by a car bomb in the Moscow region, near the village of Bolshie Vyazemy, in a targeted killing by unknown entities:

"The investigation believes that the crime was planned in advance and is of a contract nature," the statement said, adding that investigators had "established that the explosive device was placed under the bottom of the car on the driver’s side."

Pro-Russian Donbass militia leaders, Denis Pushilin foremost among them, have called on fighters to quickly “avenge” Dugina’s death. At the same time, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is now warning his citizens that severe escalation looms.

Warning of potential stepped-upf Russian attacks and the need for vigilance, Zelensky said in the hours following reports of the targeted hit:

"We should be conscious of the fact that this week Russia may try to do something particularly nasty," the Ukrainian leader said in his daily video address late on Saturday. “But Russia has done the same constantly each week throughout the past six months.”

Days ahead of Ukraine's independence day celebrations, some regional governors are also taking extra precautions, according to The Wall Street Journal:

In the northeastern Kharkiv region, part of which remains under Russian occupation, governor Oleh Synehubov announced a series of restrictions on movement this week including a 36-hour curfew beginning on the eve of Independence Day on Tuesday until early morning on Thursday.

"Please treat such steps with understanding and prepare to stay at home or in bomb shelters—this is our security," he wrote on the Telegram social-media platform. "We won’t give the enemy the chance for any provocations. On the day of our independence we will be particularly alert."

So far, President Putin has yet to officially react or weigh in on the car bombing which targeted civilians on Russian soil. While it's clear that Alexander Dugin is a deeply controversial and polarizing figure even within Russia, and much more so abroad, some pundits are pointing out that the hit could have been intended for Darya from the beginning. Little is known at this point regarding precise motives or who exactly was behind it, as the investigation continues.

Even before the Saturday night car bombing, both sides of the Ukraine war appear to be bracing for further escalation given the latest string of Ukrainian attacks deep inside Crimea, including the weekend UAV strike on Russia's Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol.

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Update(2310ET): Russia's English language state RT News is confirming the death of Darya Dugina, the daughter of veteran Russian political commentator and Putin ally Alexander Dugin, in what appears to have been a targeted hit - possibly an attempt on her father Alexander's life. RT however is still calling the reports "preliminary" until government authorities confirm the identity of the deceased.

"The incident took place on a highway some 20 kilometers west of Moscow around 21:35 local time, with witnesses saying that the blast rocked the vehicle right in the middle of the road, scattering debris all around," according to new details in RT. "The crippled car, fully engulfed in flames, then crashed into a fence, according to photos and videos from the scene."

"Emergency services said one person was inside the car and was instantly killed by the blast and crash – a female whose body was reportedly recovered burned beyond recognition."

RT writes further: "Authorities have yet to confirm the identity of the victim, but multiple Russian Telegram channels and media sources reported that the victim was 30-year-old Darya Dugina (Platonova). Her father, Alexander Dugin, was spotted at the scene soon after the incident, visibly shocked, according to several videos circulating on social media."

While an official cause of the blast hasn't been identified as yet, there's widespread speculation it was an Improvised Explosive Device (IED).

There's also much speculation centered on the apparent bombing being a likely attempt on Alexander Dugin, with unconfirmed reports saying she had been driving his car and he was in another vehicle.

According to The Daily Beast, citing local reports:

Alexander Dugin was meant to be in the vehicle his daughter was driving but had gotten in a different one at the last second, according to Pyotr Lundstrem, a Russian violinist quoted by the outlet.

Dugin had reportedly been following right behind his daughter and had watched as her car exploded. Photos shared by Baza appeared to show Dugin distraught at the scene, holding his head in both hands as he stood in front of the fiery wreckage.

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Denis Pushilin, the Russian proxy leader of Ukraine's occupied Donetsk, angrily blamed “terrorists of the Ukrainian regime” for the blast, writing on Telegram that they had been “trying to liquidate Alexander Dugin” but “blew up his daughter.”

“In loving memory of Darya, she is a true Russian girl,” Pushilin wrote.

Pro-Kremlin Telegram channels and social media pages similarly blamed Ukraine for the explosion and called on Russians to “avenge” Dugina’s death.

This, along with recent attacks inside Crimea, could indeed mean greater escalation in the Ukraine war.

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The daughter of Alexander Dugin - a close ally and adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin - has reportedly been killed in what many are assuming was an assassination attempt meant for her father.

Darya Dugin was 'blown to pieces' near Moscow suburb of Bolshiye Vyazyomy, according to reports, which say that Alexander had originally planned to travel back with her from a festival before deciding to ride in a separate car, according to the Daily Mail and other outlets.

According to Russian's state-owned TASS, local law enforcement confirmed that a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado had blown up, but did not confirm the victim's identity - only that it was a female. A man identified by TASS as a Dugin associate said it was Darya, but there has been thus far no official confirmation.

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