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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
What happened to all that good will, those Allies support America after the tragedy of 911 and then US election cycles seem to get more crazy. I think it would be bad if they had floating bases bordcasting Chinese on the Moon, Venus, the Asteroids and Mars and looked down on the rest as Overlords..

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd argue that China was always THE Bogey Man.

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No other people in this century except Soviet citizens have suffered so much mass killing in cold blood as have the Chinese. They were murdered by rebels conniving with their own Empress, and then with the defeat in war of the dynasty, by soldiers and citizens of many other lands. They were killed by mini-despots--warlords--who ruled one part of China or another. They were slaughtered because they happened to live where Nationalist, warlords, communists, or foreign troops fought each other. They were executed because they had the wrong beliefs or attitudes in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were shot because they criticized or opposed their rulers. They were butchered because they resisted rape, were raped, or tried to prevent rape. They were wiped out because they had food or wealth that soldiers or officials wanted. They were assassinated because they were leaders, a threat, or potential antagonists. They were blotted out in the process of building a new society. And they died simply because they were in the way.

These poor souls experienced every manner of death for every conceivable reason. Genocide, politicide, mass murder, massacres, and individually directed assassinations; burning alive, burying alive, starvation, drowning, infecting with germs, shooting, stabbing; this for personal power, out of feelings of superiority, because of lust or greed, to terrorize others into surrendering, to keep subjects in line, out of nationalist ideals, or to achieve utopia.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd argue that China was always THE Bogey Man. I've always said that here, especially when all the Russia bullshit really ramped up.

It's a silent war, because the media rarely ever talks about it. Mostly because most of them are owned in part by China and they're not allowed to speak on the issue.


Right now, with TikTok alone they've got blackmail information on hundreds of thousands and perhaps even millions of US kids (and kids worldwide, for that matter).

Think I'm being hyperbolic here? Look at what has happened in the last decade to people (average people too, not just celebrities) for tweets that were buried up from the early days of Twitter. Step one inch out of line in real life, and the MOB will actively seek to destroy your real life.

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What do you think is going to happen to those kids today posting embarassing or inflammatory stuff when they become adults? It's not just 255 or less words they're putting up there, but actual video evidence of their wrongthink.

The kids today are going to grow up in an entire different world than the one that we did.

Our world Governments aren't REALLY going to try to force old dogs like us to assimilate into the new cashless world with a social credit score. But it will happen gradually and eventually we'll die off and they're all screwed unless they figure out how to live in the wild.

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Our government pretends to love Democracy and the Constitution, but let's be real here... If they were able to, and they will be, they'd much rather have total control over us in a digital surveillance state and emulate the CCP.

And we, as a group, will happily allow it to happen because of the convenience of the double-edged sword of technology. And most of the kids won't even know of a world where this wasn't the norm. Even if their parents are wise to it and try to shield them from it, once they get to about middle-school age they're going to cave to peer pressure and want to do and have whatever their friends do and have.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd argue that China was always THE Bogey Man. I've always said that here, especially when all the Russia bullshit really ramped up.

It's a silent war, because the media rarely ever talks about it. Mostly because most of them are owned in part by China and they're not allowed to speak on the issue.


Right now, with TikTok alone they've got blackmail information on hundreds of thousands and perhaps even millions of US kids (and kids worldwide, for that matter).

Think I'm being hyperbolic here? Look at what has happened in the last decade to people (average people too, not just celebrities) for tweets that were buried up from the early days of Twitter. Step one inch out of line in real life, and the MOB will actively seek to destroy your real life.

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Yes. On the other hand, all of the nobodies have no influence on our foreign, financial, trade, or economic policy. Hell, even the President can't turn it around if it runs counter to the permanent state. What could China force these millions of nobodies into doing that would make one bit of difference to the course set by our elites?

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So I would put China in the rival/competitor class.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd argue that China was always THE Bogey Man. I've always said that here, especially when all the Russia bullshit really ramped up.
It's a silent war, because the media rarely ever talks about it. Mostly because most of them are owned in part by China and they're not allowed to speak on the issue.
Right now, with TikTok alone they've got blackmail information on hundreds of thousands and perhaps even millions of US kids (and kids worldwide, for that matter).
Think I'm being hyperbolic here? Look at what has happened in the last decade to people (average people too, not just celebrities) for tweets that were buried up from the early days of Twitter. Step one inch out of line in real life, and the MOB will actively seek to destroy your real life.

SIGNY: Yes. On the other hand, all of the nobodies have no influence on our foreign, financial, trade, or economic policy. Hell, even the President can't turn it around if it runs counter to the permanent state. What could China force these millions of nobodies into doing that would make one bit of difference to the course set by our elites?

SIX: I'm arguing that at this point they're just short of being one in the same... "They" being the CCP and our own elites. When I say that "We're" in a silent war with them, I mean the American People, not the politicians and their celebrity mouthpieces.

Our government has been doing the same thing to us since GWB signed off on the Patriot Act. And We The People have been happy to allow them to do so... Initially because of the allure of the Internet, and now because it's almost impossible for most individuals to even imagine their lives without it anymore.

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SIX: What do you think is going to happen to those kids today posting embarassing or inflammatory stuff when they become adults? It's not just 255 or less words they're putting up there, but actual video evidence of their wrongthink.
The kids today are going to grow up in an entire different world than the one that we did.
Our world Governments aren't REALLY going to try to force old dogs like us to assimilate into the new cashless world with a social credit score. But it will happen gradually and eventually we'll die off and they're all screwed unless they figure out how to live in the wild.

SIGNY: But this is OUR government, not China, that you're posting about.

SIX: It's both, actually. Our government benefits from all the same info that the Chinese are harvesting.

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SIX: They just get to circumvent the Constitution by allowing it to continue. (Just like they were able to get away with suppressing any dissenting opinions on Covid policy by claiming that it was Facebook, Twitter and YouTube doing the censoring). Donald Trump tried banning TikTok outright during his Presidency. All they're trying to do right now is ban its use among the Political elite during Biden*'s presidency. They're not making a single effort to ban it among the citizenry. They have no incentive to. On the contrary, they want us to continue using it.

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SIX: Our government pretends to love Democracy and the Constitution, but let's be real here... If they were able to, and they will be, they'd much rather have total control over us in a digital surveillance state and emulate the CCP.
And we, as a group, will happily allow it to happen because of the convenience of the double-edged sword of technology. And most of the kids won't even know of a world where this wasn't the norm. Even if their parents are wise to it and try to shield them from it, once they get to about middle-school age they're going to cave to peer pressure and want to do and have whatever their friends do and have.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

SIGNY: Your post is mostly about OUR globalist government. Maybe using China as an example, but China not instituting those policies here.

SIX: Well like I said... Not an example, but as a cohort.

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SIGNY: However, you do bring up a salient point. Russia is fiercely autarkic, and despite SECOND and THUGR portraying it as a ravening proto-empire seeking to devour the whole globe, in reality it's in defense mode and wants mainly to be left alone. And it has the resources and development to isolate itself almost completely..
China OTOH IS globalist. It lacks many critical resources and it has a billion people to keep occupied and prosperous, and so depends on massive foreign trade: Oil and gas and food and raw materials in, finished goods out. Like Japan, but way way bigger.
As long as China was making cheap good for us, that was OK. But 2008 taught them that we DIDN'T know what we were doing and we aren't a reliable market with a sound currency, so now they're turning their considerable energies towards other markets... the Belt and Road specifically... and all of that industry will be competing for raw resources and labor, and not to our benefit.
And in addition, China won't let our financialists play in their markets, so they can't even make money off that.


SIX: Russia is a fuckin' joke compared to China and what China is doing behind the scenes in tandem with our own Government. It's merely the distraction that David Copperfield uses when making the Statue of Liberty disappear before your eyes.

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SIGNY: So I would put China in the rival/competitor class.

SIX: If anything, that's probably even a more scary scenario. What do competitors do?
Adapt or die.
We're all just numbers. Cogs in the machine. Another brick in the wall.
It's all a big reason why I'm focusing my mental and physical efforts on people I care about and just keeping myself busy. There's nothing I can think of that you or I or anyone like us can do about any of this. At least not in the current environment.
Just try to limit your exposure to the dangerous shiny rectangles as much as possible and touch some grass whenever the opportunity provides itself.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Let me start out by saying, I don't like China. There's something about their culture, economy, politics etc that creeps me out. China for the Chinese might be OK, but it's not for me.

Still, is China an "enemy"? Do they threaten our borders, our people?

Some say that China "stole" our industry. Au contraire, our industrialists GAVE them to China in exchange for cheap labor. Some American factories were disassembled, by Americans, and shipped to China for reassembly.

So what's the problem here? If they don't threaten us militarily and our economic clusterfuck is our own making...

I asked in another thread for reasons why we should go to war with China. I don't think I got a response

Please let me know your thoughts.

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THUGR: It has been obvious for a very long time comrade that understanding global affairs are way beyond you.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd argue that China was always THE Bogey Man. I've always said that here, especially when all the Russia bullshit really ramped up.
It's a silent war, because the media rarely ever talks about it. Mostly because most of them are owned in part by China and they're not allowed to speak on the issue.
Right now, with TikTok alone they've got blackmail information on hundreds of thousands and perhaps even millions of US kids (and kids worldwide, for that matter).
Think I'm being hyperbolic here? Look at what has happened in the last decade to people (average people too, not just celebrities) for tweets that were buried up from the early days of Twitter. Step one inch out of line in real life, and the MOB will actively seek to destroy your real life.

SIGNY: Yes. On the other hand, all of the nobodies have no influence on our foreign, financial, trade, or economic policy. Hell, even the President can't turn it around if it runs counter to the permanent state. What could China force these millions of nobodies into doing that would make one bit of difference to the course set by our elites?

SIX: I'm arguing that at this point they're just short of being one in the same... "They" being the CCP and our own elites. When I say that "We're" in a silent war with them, I mean the American People, not the politicians and their celebrity mouthpieces.

Our government has been doing the same thing to us since GWB signed off on the Patriot Act. And We The People have been happy to allow them to do so... Initially because of the allure of the Internet, and now because it's almost impossible for most individuals to even imagine their lives without it anymore.

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Being "almost" the same is not being the same. Oligarchs/globalists/those who desire centralized control all behave the same. They will eventually reach for the same tools... digital currency, social credit scores, media control, bread and circuses (but here, without the bread). They may all want world domination but they disagree vehemently on WHO, exactly, is going to do the dominating. Think of them like Mafia dons.

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Compare that to our elites now, who can only improve their standing by grinding down most of the people. How do THEY get people to bow down? Well, they can try more propaganda and censorship, and they can weaponize the so-called justice dept and persecute some and post their heads at the city gates, and they can impose digital currencies and toss up whatever "enemy du jour"/interesectional identity as distractions, they can guilt-trip people for just being alive and emitting CO2, and they can in essence allow widespread drug use, but the one thing they CAN'T do is improve the living standards of most people. In the face of hunger it becomes difficult to control strictly by coercion.

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
West ‘created’ modern China by making it world’s factory: India’s Rahul Gandhi

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3233947/west-created-m
odern-china-making-it-factory-world-says-indias-rahul-gandhi

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