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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:26 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Meanwhile, in REAL NEWS... Russians captured the slag hill just outside of the Avdiivka coke plant,
Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:19 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Meanwhile, in REAL NEWS... Russians captured the slag hill just outside of the Avdiivka coke plant, THUGR: Twenty minutes in comrade...
Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:15 PM
Quote: I am not sure how valid this is but I am sure it is relevant: Quote: Victor vicktop55 @vicktop55 - 16:58 UTC · Oct 24, 2023 Military expert Vladislav Shurygin: The Pentagon has become sharply concerned about the suddenly increased effectiveness of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In two weeks, the Russians staged a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost at least 10 of their aircraft (according to other sources, 14). Moreover, all of them were shot down far from the front line and outside the radius of Russian air defense systems, as well as outside the standard radius of Russian fighter missiles. Those pilots who were able to eject reported that until the moment their planes were hit, they did not receive warning information about the attack from the appropriate warning systems. The Americans believe that the Russian Aerospace Forces have acquired new missiles capable of not only hitting targets at a great distance, but also, after launch, independently pursuing a target without illuminating it from the aircraft’s radar, using a radio signature to guide it (the target). Now Americans carefully check this information and consider it critically important. Since, if it is confirmed, it means that the Russians have acquired a weapon that will neutralize all the advertised advantages of their new main fighter, the F-35. Vladislav Shurygin is indeed a Russian 'military expert' who has had various appearances on Russian talk shows. The claim that there is 'a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky' is valid if the recent daily reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense are near to reality. I for one believe they are.
Quote: Victor vicktop55 @vicktop55 - 16:58 UTC · Oct 24, 2023 Military expert Vladislav Shurygin: The Pentagon has become sharply concerned about the suddenly increased effectiveness of the Russian Aerospace Forces. In two weeks, the Russians staged a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky. The Ukrainian Armed Forces lost at least 10 of their aircraft (according to other sources, 14). Moreover, all of them were shot down far from the front line and outside the radius of Russian air defense systems, as well as outside the standard radius of Russian fighter missiles. Those pilots who were able to eject reported that until the moment their planes were hit, they did not receive warning information about the attack from the appropriate warning systems. The Americans believe that the Russian Aerospace Forces have acquired new missiles capable of not only hitting targets at a great distance, but also, after launch, independently pursuing a target without illuminating it from the aircraft’s radar, using a radio signature to guide it (the target). Now Americans carefully check this information and consider it critically important. Since, if it is confirmed, it means that the Russians have acquired a weapon that will neutralize all the advertised advantages of their new main fighter, the F-35.
Thursday, October 26, 2023 5:55 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Ukraine's Sudden High Air Losses Likely Caused By New Russian Missiles The claim that there is 'a real massacre in the Ukrainian sky' is valid if the recent daily reports of the Russian Ministry of Defense are near to reality. I for one believe they are.
Thursday, October 26, 2023 8:31 PM
Saturday, October 28, 2023 6:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Why do you bring up irrelevant history? A) Russia is not the Soviet Union B) Putin is not Stalin. Or Hitler for that matter. Head out of ass, m'kay?
Saturday, October 28, 2023 6:24 AM
Saturday, October 28, 2023 12:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Speaking of indelible marks on souls... how's yours doing lately?
Saturday, October 28, 2023 12:44 PM
Saturday, October 28, 2023 2:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Speaking of indelible marks on souls... how's yours doing lately? SECOND: Per usual, you misunderstand the simplest things. I am literally, not figuratively, surrounded by Trumptards who would fit perfectly into the unethical Confederacy. They have the same racist attitudes, the same overinflated egos, and the same too-lazy-to-do-their-own-work ethics as a Confederate Colonel who owns a couple of dozen slaves. These Trumptards are every bit as likely to cheat in business, break contracts, and finagle as Trump or the Confederates did. They got that way because they weren't punished for rotten behavior. Neither were the Russians who stole Eastern Europe, lost it, and are now in the middle of stealing Ukraine.
Saturday, October 28, 2023 9:53 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, October 29, 2023 7:24 AM
Sunday, October 29, 2023 7:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Avoiding the question I see! SECOND, you should try living in San Francisco or Detroit or NYC or Chicago or any Democrat stronghold. I guarantee you would be even more disappointed in your fellow residents than you are in Texas. So stop projecting your hick, hidebound attitude across the USA, and the globe. There's a whole ginormous world out there you know nothing about, apparently.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, back to REAL NEWS which contradicts your ridiculous prejudices: Ukrainian are fighting like you say Russians fight: throwing untrained men, boys, and women by the hundreds of thousands onto the front lines, only to get slaughtered. Meanwhile, Russians are attriting the Ukrainian military using superior force of arms while preserving their troops. Ukraine is an economic ruin, Russia's economy is robust. The west is throwing its resources and weapons down the drain fighting an enemy they don't even see clearly, let alone comprehend. And Ukraine shells Donetsk City civilians with cluster rounds for the third time in a month. But it looks like Russian progress in Avdiivka will force Ukie artillery to move, and put Donetsk City out of range.
Sunday, October 29, 2023 8:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Avoiding the question I see! SECOND, you should try living in San Francisco or Detroit or NYC or Chicago or any Democrat stronghold. I guarantee you would be even more disappointed in your fellow residents than you are in Texas. So stop projecting your hick, hidebound attitude across the USA, and the globe. There's a whole ginormous world out there you know nothing about, apparently.Don't be so silly, Signym. The explanation is the Sheep and the Goats parable from the Bible, about separating the good people from the bad. The Sheep and Goats are spread about the country, but it doesn't take a God to tell them apart. The USA has at least 80 million goats, Trumptards, most trying to pass as sheep, including even Trump, but they can't maintain the sheep disguise 100% of the time.
Sunday, October 29, 2023 9:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Avoiding the question I see! SECOND, you should try living in San Francisco or Detroit or NYC or Chicago or any Democrat stronghold. I guarantee you would be even more disappointed in your fellow residents than you are in Texas. So stop projecting your hick, hidebound attitude across the USA, and the globe. There's a whole ginormous world out there you know nothing about, apparently.Don't be so silly, Signym. The explanation is the Sheep and the Goats parable from the Bible, about separating the good people from the bad. The Sheep and Goats are spread about the country, but it doesn't take a God to tell them apart. The USA has at least 80 million goats, Trumptards, most trying to pass as sheep, including even Trump, but they can't maintain the sheep disguise 100% of the time. We've come full circle and Second finally admits what I've known about him from the very beginning. He's a fucking sheep. Baaaaaaaaaaaa!
Sunday, October 29, 2023 2:47 PM
Quote:I'm a sheep because I never cheated on my taxes or my wife and never killed anybody who didn't richly deserve it.
Monday, October 30, 2023 6:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:I'm a sheep because I never cheated on my taxes or my wife and never killed anybody who didn't richly deserve it. BFD. That's a pretty low bar. I never cheated either, and I never killed anyone, period. I never did understand that sheep/goats parable. Goats are incredibly useful and intelligent creatures, able to survive where sheep can't. And their kids are amusing as hell to watch. The down side I suppose, is that they don't flock and aren't easily led. A metaphor for our times: A Donkey Leads a Flock of Sheep ****** BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH UKRAINE? Seems like you're spending a huge amount of energy dragging the discussion off-topic, BECAUSE RUSSIA IS WINNING. Don't worry, I'll bring you regular updates of Ukraine's slow and painful defeat. Feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, who let themselves be turned into America's proxy, whose slaughter is our "good investment".
Monday, October 30, 2023 6:48 AM
Monday, October 30, 2023 10:28 AM
Monday, October 30, 2023 1:22 PM
Quote: SECOND:;I'm a sheep because I never cheated on my taxes or my wife and never killed anybody who didn't richly deserve it. SIGNY: BFD. That's a pretty low bar. I never cheated either, and I never killed anyone, period. I never did understand that sheep/goats parable. Goats are incredibly useful and intelligent creatures, able to survive where sheep can't. And their kids are amusing as hell to watch. The down side I suppose, is that they don't flock and aren't easily led. A metaphor for our times: A Donkey Leads a Flock of Sheep ****** BUT WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH UKRAINE? Seems like you're spending a huge amount of energy dragging the discussion off-topic, BECAUSE RUSSIA IS WINNING. Don't worry, I'll bring you regular updates of Ukraine's slow and painful defeat. Feel sorry for the people of Ukraine, who let themselves be turned into America's proxy, whose slaughter is our "good investment". SECOND: Signym, this is a test of your reading comprehension. I will help you by underlining a few words about goats. It is repeated by wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats : But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.'..blah blah blah ...... The King will answer them, 'Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is ... blah blah blah... Signym, by the way, Russia has not won. If you weren't stupid, you'd stop declaring which side is winning. You can't know this soon. "If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." - Albert Einstein "If people are good only because they fear punishment and hope for reward, then they are sorry Trumptards." - second
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 5:12 AM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 5:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I predict Russia will win. Capisce?
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 5:34 AM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 11:25 AM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Having been raised Catholic I understood the biblical reference. Bible stories were geared to primitive farmers, herders, olive growers, wandering/ warring tribes, fisherman etc. Presumably they resonated with real life back then. But IMHO in real life goats are still incredibly useful creatures. They can browse areas inaccessible to sheep. They're a little harder to manage and it's harder to become wealthy (if you count your wealth in numbers of sheep, camels, jars of olive oil and wine etc) but that's all. But why are you quoting the Bible? Neither of us believe it, right? And furthermore, the part of the Bible that you quote threatens eternal damnation for the "goats"... Which totally undercuts your NEXT quote, about only being good for fear of punishment. You're fundamentally confused, SECOND. Apparently any particular thought in your brain has never bumped into any other thought bc you frequently contradict yourself. It's impossible to know what your point is!
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 1:29 PM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 4:12 PM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 6:30 PM
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 6:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Most fortunate people believe they got there by their own effort, when in reality MOST people who become very wealthy, like singers or actors who become "stars", are no better than most others in their profession or avocation. Not drinking or overeating or cheating on your taxes or what-have-you is NOT a guarantee of success! Yes, people have to put in effort to get to a certain point (unless luck hits you with a lottery win) but effort BY ITSELF ALSO isn't generally a springboard to great wealth or success either. So people have control over themselves (or they should) but NOBODY has complete control over their lives, and thinking that is stupid.
Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Most fortunate people believe they got there by their own effort, when in reality MOST people who become very wealthy, like singers or actors who become "stars", are no better than most others in their profession or avocation. Not drinking or overeating or cheating on your taxes or what-have-you is NOT a guarantee of success! Yes, people have to put in effort to get to a certain point (unless luck hits you with a lottery win) but effort BY ITSELF ALSO isn't generally a springboard to great wealth or success either. So people have control over themselves (or they should) but NOBODY has complete control over their lives, and thinking that is stupid. There is no guarantee of success (if your parents/genetics/dropped-on-your-head-as-a-baby murder your chances) but there is the certainty of failure if you lie down, give up, surrender, poison yourself, whatever description for the billions of roads to failure. 6ix does not seem to be even slightly aware of what he has done to himself. Others who don't sabotage themselves every moment of the day also are unaware of what they do to themselves because their enduring self-sabotage is less intense, but still enough to guarantee failure. There are nations that sabotage themselves. See North Korea and Russia. The only straightforward way to avoid what happens in those places is to leave them. Russia lost its best long ago. North Korea? The best moved to South Korea until North Korea stopped the flow. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:25 AM
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 5:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The difference between Russia and your hypothetical image is that Russia has learned from its history. It - or the leadership, at least- have learned from the Soviet experience and the "capitalist" experience, and they're trying not to make the same mistakes. Unlike, say, the USA, which keeps making the same mistakes over and over.
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 5:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The difference between Russia and your hypothetical image is that Russia has learned from its history.
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 12:57 PM
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Ukraine pleads with the U.S. to ramp up support against Russia
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 8:16 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: Russian forces continue to use “Storm-Z” assault units predominantly made up of prisoner recruits in highly attritional infantry-led frontal assaults. Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: Ukrainian family of 9, including two minors brutally slain by Russian soldiers Volnovakha, Ukraine, Edited By: Moohita Kaur Garg, Updated: Oct 31, 2023, 01:21 PM IST Trigger warning: Some readers may find the details of this report disturbing. Discretion is advised In the Russian-occupied eastern Ukrainian town of Volnovakha, a family of nine, including minor children, have been found shot dead in their house. Russian soldiers have been blamed for the gruesome killings. Ukrainian officials have alleged that the Kapkanets family was killed on 27 October for refusing to give their house to the soldiers.
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: Russian occupation officials continue efforts to eradicate Ukrainian language and culture in occupied Ukraine. Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin stated on October 27 that “[he] will not allow the Ukrainian language to reappear as a state or privileged language” in occupied Donetsk Oblast and claimed that no schools in occupied Donetsk Oblast have chosen to teach Ukrainian language.
Wednesday, November 1, 2023 10:59 PM
Quote: Italian PM discussed fatigue over Ukraine in prank call with Russian comedians https://news.yahoo.com/italian-pm-discussed-fatigue-over-010226009.html “There is a lot of tiredness on all sides,” Meloni reportedly stated. “The moment is approaching when everyone will understand that we need a way out...Ukraine’s counteroffensive is not going as expected … It has not changed the fate of the conflict, and everyone understands that [the conflict] could last many years if we don’t find a solution. The Ukrainians are doing what they have to do and we are trying to help them.” “I have some ideas on how to manage this situation, but I’m waiting for the right moment to put them on the table,” Meloni revealed during the call. The comedians, according to Italian media, are Vladimir Kuznetsov and Alexei Stolyarov, jointly known as Vovan and Lexus. One of the men reportedly posed as an "African politician." Vovan and Lexus are famously pro-Russia and have even been accused of having links to Russian intelligence services. However, no evidence of this connection exists.
Thursday, November 2, 2023 8:30 AM
Thursday, November 2, 2023 8:37 AM
Thursday, November 2, 2023 8:58 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Last time I checked, Spanish was NOT a state or sponsored language is SW USA, and yet, it is not 'eradicated' either. Typical SECOND lies...
Thursday, November 2, 2023 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Last time I checked, Spanish was NOT a state or sponsored language is SW USA, and yet, it is not 'eradicated' either. Typical SECOND lies... SECOND: Last time I checked, you denied that Russians killed 64 million Russians over political disputes.
Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Zelensky: TIME may be on his side, but real time, isn't Official Ukraine narrative collapses as Zelensky’s inner circle admits to magazine that the war cannot be won militarily. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/zelensky-war-time-magazine/ No. Real time is not on Zelensky's side. He's a dead man walking. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Quote: Despite the recent setbacks on the battlefield, he does not intend to give up fighting or to sue for any kind of peace. On the contrary, his belief in Ukraine’s ultimate victory over Russia has hardened into a form that worries some of his advisers. It is immovable, verging on the messianic. “He deludes himself,” one of his closest aides tells me in frustration. “We’re out of options. We’re not winning. But try telling him that.” . . . The cold will also make military advances more difficult, locking down the front lines at least until the spring. But Zelensky has refused to accept that. “Freezing the war, to me, means losing it,” he says. Before the winter sets in, his aides warned me to expect major changes in their military strategy and a major shake-up in the President’s team. At least one minister would need to be fired, along with a senior general [Zaluzhny] in charge of the counteroffensive, they said, to ensure accountability for Ukraine’s slow progress at the front. “We’re not moving forward,” says one of Zelensky’s close aides. Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.” When I raised these claims with a senior military officer, he said that some commanders have little choice in second-guessing orders from the top. At one point in early October, he said, the political leadership in Kyiv demanded an operation to “retake” the city of Horlivka, a strategic outpost in eastern Ukraine that the Russians have held and fiercely defended for nearly a decade. The answer came back in the form of a question: With what? “They don’t have the men or the weapons,” says the officer. “Where are the weapons? Where is the artillery? Where are the new recruits?” . . . Amid all the pressure to root out corruption, I assumed, perhaps naively, that officials in Ukraine would think twice before taking a bribe or pocketing state funds. But when I made this point to a top presidential adviser in early October, he asked me to turn off my audio recorder so he could speak more freely. “Simon, you’re mistaken,” he says. “People are stealing like there’s no tomorrow.” In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”
Thursday, November 2, 2023 12:50 PM
Friday, November 3, 2023 8:20 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Also, BTW, last time I checked, NO OTHER HISTORIAN agrees with your figures. It's not ME that disputes your figures, SECOND. It's every other source that I checked. Get fucked.
Friday, November 3, 2023 9:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Also, BTW, last time I checked, NO OTHER HISTORIAN agrees with your figures. It's not ME that disputes your figures, SECOND. It's every other source that I checked. Get fucked.Signym, you must have inherited the liar genetics from both Mommy and Daddy. You are very smooth at it, Signym. Use that trait to transform the following into innocuousness. Murder, torture, rape: Russia’s crimes are a long-running horror show By Lee Hockstader, Columnist, European Affairs October 31, 2023 at 1:08 p.m. EDT https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/31/russian-war-crimes-ukraine/
Friday, November 3, 2023 1:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I got this one, Sigs. That's easy, Second. It came from Washington Post. It's bullshit. They don't write anything that isn't bullshit.
Saturday, November 4, 2023 8:22 AM
Saturday, November 4, 2023 2:55 PM
Saturday, November 4, 2023 3:10 PM
Quote: Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, General Valery Zaluzhny, says the battlefield reminds him of the great conflict of a century ago. “Just like in the first world war we have reached the level of technology that puts us into a stalemate,” he says. The general concludes that it would take a massive technological leap to break the deadlock. “There will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough.” . . . he urges innovation in drones, electronic warfare, anti-artillery capabilities and demining equipment, as well as in the use of robotics.
Quote: ‘Nobody Believes in Our Victory Like I Do.’ Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/
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