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Russian sources provided explanations for claimed Russian successes during the June 8 attacks, praising Russian forces’ effective use of electronic warfare (EW) systems, air support, and landmines against Ukrainian forces. Multiple Russian sources reported that Russian EW severely interfered with Ukrainian command and control signals, GPS-enabled devices, UAV controls.[12] Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces had insufficient air defense in the Orikhiv sector, that Russian forces operated with an “unprecedented” amount of rotary wing air support, and that Russian aviation was able to return to a high level of activity after not actively engaging in combat operations since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in 2022.[13] Continuous Russian missile and drone attacks against Kyiv and critical Ukrainian infrastructure may have fixed Ukraine’s more advanced air defense systems away from the frontline, although ISW cannot assess which systems would be effective against the kinds of air support missions Russian aircraft were flying.

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ISW’s previous assessments that Russian air and missile attacks were not setting conditions to defend against the Ukrainian counter-offensive may thus have been inaccurate.

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Russian sources also praised at length their claimed defensive success using layered field fortifications and landmines, with Major General Popov stating that Russian minefields played a “very important role” in defeating the initial Ukrainian advance in the early hours of June 8.[14] CNN additionally reported that an anonymous US official said that Russian landmines degraded Ukrainian armored vehicles.[15]

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Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks southwest of Orikhiv. Russian doctrine for a defending motorized rifle battalion calls for a first echelon of troops to repel or slow attacking forces with minefields, fortifications, and strongpoints, with a second echelon of forces counterattacking against an enemy breakthrough.[16] Russian forces apparently operated in this fashion in this sector – Ukrainian forces penetrated the initial defensive lines; Russian forces pulled back to a second line of fortifications; and Russian reserves subsequently counterattacked to retake the initial line of defenses.[17] This maneuver is a regular feature of defensive operations and has been executed by both Ukrainian and Russian forces throughout the war. Early control of terrain changes day to day should thus not be misconstrued as the overall result of a wider attack.

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You have room in there for one idea, and you've worn it out.
Time to get a new idea.

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I think, FYI, that Kiev had been threatening the Kakhova dam for over a year, discussing how to mine it and even taking a few practice HIMARS shots at it. That's the reason why Surovikin withdrew troops to the eastern side of the Dneiper- he was afraid that Kiev was going to flood the area. And Kiev had been saying for WEEKS that they were going to launch an attack that would confuse and panic the Russian military.

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More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".

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More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".

Meanwhile, even the Military Summary Channel's Dima thinks that Ukraine and NATO are getting their asses handed to them.

"The Ukrainians lost more than 100, around 200 units of armored vehicles and they couldn't establish control over even a single black dot [Russian fortification] (begins appx 3:00)

"They [Ukraine] used the three Storm Shadows missiles ... two of those missiles managed to get the target, and they destroyed, attacked some kind of children's camp..." (begins appx 18:00)

The Complete Defeat Of The Ukrainian-NATO Forces. Military Summary For 2023.06.09

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The FBI’s attempt to ban Twitter accounts at the request of Ukrainian intelligence is among the most overt requests for censorship revealed to date in the Twitter Files.

The FBI described the suppression effort as "assistance to Ukraine."
The FBI declined to answer my questions about its aid to Ukrainian intelligence censorship efforts.

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Ukraine war: Deserters risk death fleeing to Romania

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384

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Ukraine war: Deserters risk death fleeing to Romania

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65792384

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Brave Trumptards claimed to have bone spurs to avoid being drafted.

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while you're cheerleading two generations of Ukrainian men to their death every day on these boards from the safety of your mom's basement.

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More delusional bullshit from SECOND, the sociopathic troll.
You're just as lunatic about "Russia" and Putin you are about Trump and "Trumptards".
Meanwhile, even the Military Summary Channel's Dima thinks that Ukraine and NATO are getting their asses handed to them.

"The Ukrainians lost more than 100, around 200 units of armored vehicles and they couldn't establish control over even a single black dot [Russian fortification] (begins appx 3:00)

"They [Ukraine] used the three Storm Shadows missiles ... two of those missiles managed to get the target, and they destroyed, attacked some kind of children's camp..." (begins appx 18:00)

The Complete Defeat Of The Ukrainian-NATO Forces. Military Summary For 2023.06.09


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Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday announced he will start deploying tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus on July 7-8, which falls days before a NATO summit in neighboring Lithuania.

The timing of the announcement was not lost on some officials, including Belarusian opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya.

"This is nothing but a crude game of intimidation, trying to bully Europe into submission," Tsikhanouskaya tweeted. "We can't let dictators get away with their nuclear blackmail."

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-trying-intimidate-nato-nuclear-weapons-
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The United States has deployed nuclear weapons at NATO bases in Western Europe since the 1950s, when Cold War tensions were mounting with the Soviet Union. The weapons were first transferred to the United Kingdom in 1954, and later to Germany, Italy, France, Turkey, the Netherlands, Greece, and Belgium...
Today, U.S. tactical nuclear weapons remain at six bases in five NATO member countries, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey. The UK and France have their own nuclear forces and no longer host U.S. weapons.

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If Russian tactical nukes in Belarus are a threat to Europe, what are American nuclear weapons in Europe?

Fuck you, Nazi troll.

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If Russian tactical nukes in Belarus are a threat to Europe, what are American nuclear weapons in Europe?

Fuck you, Nazi troll.

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Signym, expand that sentence: If Russian tactical nukes in Belarus are a threat to Europe, what are French and British nuclear weapons in Europe? Answer: Not A Threat because Britain did not threaten to nuke Paris and France did not threaten to nuke London. Meanwhile, Russia has threatened in 2023 to nuke Paris, London, Berlin, Warsaw, Helsinki, you name it, Putin threatened to nuke it. Now do see what is different, Signym?

By the way, Russia has been threatening to nuke the West since it first got nukes. To dissuade Russia from turning its threats into reality, the US has spent over $10 trillion on nukes. Because Russia keeps making newer and bizarre threats to nuke the West, the US is projected to spend a total of $634 billion over the 2021–2030 period on nukes. Ukraine would be doing the West a huge favor if it can stop Russia from making these endless threats to nuke the West.

Projected Costs of U.S. Nuclear Forces, 2021 to 2030
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57240

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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But since THUR might actually be that stupid, I'm gonna explain to make it pellucidly clear.

If we see nukes positioned in Belarus as a threat to Europe, then the USSR, and now Russia, would have seen western nukes positioned in Europe as threats.

So if we want to point fingers at "who started it", clearly the USA started threatening first by positioning nukes in many nations in Europe, and Russia's action is just a decades-delayed response.

Capisce?

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But since THUR might actually be that stupid, I'm gonna explain to make it pellucidly clear.

If we see nukes positioned in Belarus as a threat to Europe, then the USSR, and now Russia, would have seen western nukes positioned in Europe as threats.

So if we want to point fingers at "who started it", clearly the USA started threatening first by positioning nukes in many nations in Europe, and Russia's action is just a decades-delayed response.

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Signym, have you never been around people with handguns in holsters? Or carrying rifles? There is a big difference between a gunman with a loaded weapon who says he will kill you and all your family and one who does NOT make that threat. Russia has been loudly threatening with words to kill everybody and their families since Russia first got nukes. France and Britain and China, all nuclear powers, have never raised their voices and made a verbal threat. Russia has officially spoken about that threat thousands of times. Unofficially, from Russian State TV and propaganda, Russia has made that threat millions of times. Putin made the threats many times since invading Ukraine.

Try for once in your life, Signym, to understand the difference between using words threatening to nuke everybody and NOT threatening to nuke anybody. I don't think you will get the subtleties because then you would realize what Russia has been doing wrong since its first above-ground A-bomb tests.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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But since THUR might actually be that stupid, I'm gonna explain to make it pellucidly clear.

If we see nukes positioned in Belarus as a threat to Europe, then the USSR, and now Russia, would have seen western nukes positioned in Europe as threats.

So if we want to point fingers at "who started it", clearly the USA started threatening first by positioning nukes in many nations in Europe, and Russia's action is just a decades-delayed response.

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Signym, have you never been around people with handguns in holsters? Or carrying rifles? There is a big difference between a gunman with a loaded weapon who says he will kill you and all your family and one who does NOT make that threat. Russia has been loudly threatening with words to kill everybody and their families since Russia first got nukes. France and Britain and China, all nuclear powers, have never raised their voices and made a verbal threat. Russia has officially spoken about that threat thousands of times. Unofficially, from Russian State TV and propaganda, Russia has made that threat millions of times. Putin made the threats many times since invading Ukraine.

Try for once in your life, Signym, to understand the difference between using words threatening to nuke everybody and NOT threatening to nuke anybody. I don't think you will get the subtleties because then you would realize what Russia has been doing wrong since its first above-ground A-bomb tests.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND, I have sat on a dark porch with a loaded rifle, safety off, defending a friend against a someone who was making what we now call 'terrorist threats'

knowing that person was threatening is one thing.
knowing that they purchsed a weapon is something else.
but knowing that they SHOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ALREADY... well. that's a whole different story.

so, who bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, again?

what's your point?

oh, you have none.

fuck you, troll

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But since THUR might actually be that stupid, I'm gonna explain to make it pellucidly clear.
If we see nukes positioned in Belarus as a threat to Europe, then the USSR, and now Russia, would have seen western nukes positioned in Europe as threats.
So if we want to point fingers at "who started it", clearly the USA started threatening first by positioning nukes in many nations in Europe, and Russia's action is just a decades-delayed response.

Capisce?

SECOND: Signym, have you never been around people with handguns in holsters? Or carrying rifles? There is a big difference between a gunman with a loaded weapon who says he will kill you and all your family and one who does NOT make that threat. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...

SECOND, I have sat on a dark porch with a loaded rifle, safety off, defending a friend against a someone who was making what we now call 'terrorist threats'
knowing that person was threatening is one thing.
knowing that they purchsed a weapon is something else.
but knowing that they SHOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ALREADY... well. that's a whole different story.
so, who bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, again?
what's your point?
oh, you have none.

fuck you, troll


THUGR: You forgot to take your meds again comrade. Also, you are about to see updates on what is happening in Ukraine that are not favorable to Russia.

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SECOND, I have sat on a dark porch with a loaded rifle, safety off, defending a friend against a someone who was making what we now call 'terrorist threats'

knowing that person was threatening is one thing.
knowing that they purchsed a weapon is something else.
but knowing that they SHOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ALREADY... well. that's a whole different story.

so, who bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, again?

what's your point?

oh, you have none.

fuck you, troll

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Russia knows it's not fighting "Ukraine".

To all intents and purposes, Ukraine doesn't even exist anymore except as a source of bodies for NATOs proxy-war weapons. It has no production, it collects no taxes, it would cease to operate the moment the cash flow stopped.

It's easy to see how Russia could demilitarize Ukraine. It was harder to see how Russia could demilitarize NATO. But with NATOs help, it can be done. All NATO needs to do is keep bleeding more and more into its proxy battlefield. Do you recall how Russia refused to close off the cauldron around Bakhmut? Ukraine's obssession with Bakhmut - sending in more and more (mostly untrained) infantry - allowed Russia to successfully conduct what Russians literally called "Operation Meatgrinder'

Russia KNOWS it's fighting NATO. And I suspect that Ukraine is Bakhmut writ large.

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SECOND, I have sat on a dark porch with a loaded rifle, safety off, defending a friend against a someone who was making what we now call 'terrorist threats'

knowing that person was threatening is one thing.
knowing that they purchsed a weapon is something else.
but knowing that they SHOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ALREADY... well. that's a whole different story.

so, who bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, again?

what's your point?

oh, you have none.

fuck you, troll

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Signym, you bring up Hiroshima. Too bad you forget that Russia murdered 4 million Ukrainians during Holodomor without using any high-tech. And you forget the 62 million Russians killed by Russians during political disputes. Russians murder Russians as policy, so when Russians threaten to nuke the West, as Russia has threatened thousands of times, the US believes Russia and then spends $10 trillion on nuclear weapons to dissuade Russia from killing the West.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND, I have sat on a dark porch with a loaded rifle, safety off, defending a friend against a someone who was making what we now call 'terrorist threats'

knowing that person was threatening is one thing.
knowing that they purchsed a weapon is something else.
but knowing that they SHOT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE ALREADY... well. that's a whole different story.

so, who bombed hiroshima and nagasaki, again?

what's your point?

oh, you have none.

fuck you, troll

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Signym, you bring up Hiroshima. Too bad you forget that Russia murdered 4 million Ukrainians during Holodomor without using any high-tech. And you forget the 62 million Russians killed by Russians during political disputes. Russians murder Russians as policy, so when Russians threaten to nuke the West, as Russia has threatened thousands of times, the US believes Russia and then spends $10 trillion on nuclear weapons to dissuade Russia from killing the West.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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And America killed an estimated 5-6 million indirectly in our "War on Terror" across the Mideast.

So, what's your point, again? Gonna bring up more bogus figures about how many Russians Russia killed?
Ok, how many native Americans did America kill? How many slaves?

Seriously dood, if your real heartburn is about nukes, stick with nukes. (America's record on nukes and treaties: THE AGGRESSOR)

If your heartburn is about # of people that each nation killed, stop bringing bogus numbers to the table, and start assessing OUR record across the globe.

You're twisted by hate, and there's spaghetti in your skull where your brain should be.

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Threatening is not a war crime.

If it were, you would be prosecuted.

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A) For war crimes tribunals I nominate:

Henry Kissinger: Indonesia

Reagan: Contras, central America

Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright: Yugoslavia, Iraq (for sanctions that killed 500,000 children)

GWB, Cheney, Rumsfeld: "War of Terror"

Obama, Hillary Clinton, various heads of CIA: Syria, Libya, Ukraine

B) Threatening is not a war crime.
If it were, you would be prosecuted.
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And Kissinger has been charged war crimes.

Oh yeah,that big dip in life expectancy? That was Russia UNDER AMERICA.

Gosh you're stupid!

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And Kissinger has been charged war crimes.
Oh yeah,that big dip in life expectancy? That was Russia UNDER AMERICA.
Gosh you're stupid!
Troll!


SECOND; That was Russia UNDER AMERICA?

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SECOND; you didn't read the part comparing North Korea to Russia, BLAH BLAH BLAH

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Troll!

Yanno, that decade of lawlessness and bottomless decadence and privation, when Russia's GDP fell by half and the lifespan of Russian men dropped to fifty, as they drank themselves to death in utter hoplessness?

That decade when Russians learned to hate "American style" gangster-capitalism?

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YES. I guess you had your head stuck up your ass for that decade, when Russia "privatized" per the Chicago School of Economics, and when American and UK "financiers" (like Bill Browder) and Russian bandits made off with Russia's national assets?

Yanno, that decade of lawlessness and bottomless decadence and privation, when Russia's GDP fell by half and the lifespan of Russian men dropped to fifty, as they drank themselves to death in utter hoplessness?

That decade when Russians learned to hate "American style" gangster-capitalism?

THAT decade?

By now. SECOND, you should realize that I dont read past any sentence that is egregiously stupid or mendacious. And you repeating your delusions/lies ad nauseum doesn't make them true.

Honestly, I don't know where you get your stupid ideas from, and I'm not gonna bother addressing them, unless I think it's educational.

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Troll!
Yanno, that decade of lawlessness and bottomless decadence and privation, when Russia's GDP fell by half and the lifespan of Russian men dropped to fifty, as they drank themselves to death in utter hoplessness?
That

THUGR: Sig, this video contradicts your claim that Russia suffered due to capitalism.

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I didn't bother to watch the video bc the guy is an idiot.

The economic collapse of Russia under Yeltsin is WIDELY KNOWN by pretty much everyone. Except you, and the idiot you keep citing.



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I didn't bother to watch the video bc the guy is an idiot.

The economic collapse of Russia under Yeltsin is WIDELY KNOWN by pretty much everyone. Except you, and the idiot you keep citing.

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How 'shock therapy' created Russian oligarchs and paved the path for Putin

But Yeltsin and his allies believed that time was not on their side. An attempted coup in August 1991 by Soviet hardliners against the reformers almost derailed the whole project. Entrenched Soviet industrialists and party insiders wanted a return to the old order. The Yeltsin administration decided that a program known as "shock therapy" — rapidly unleashing market forces — was the way to electrocute the old Soviet system and jolt Russia into embracing capitalism.

American advisors and global creditors, especially the International Monetary Fund, played a notable role advocating for shock therapy. But some influential shock therapists, like the economist Jeffrey Sachs, then at Harvard, believed such a radical program needed support. He proposed the United States and multilateral development agencies help Russian reformers succeed with a $30 billion aid package, akin to what America had provided Europe after WWII with the Marshall Plan. Sachs also called for the cancellation of Russia's debts. But these ideas were rejected by American leaders.

President Yeltsin delivered the first big shock to the Russian economy when he lifted price controls in December 1991. As the Soviet economy collapsed, however, the policy ended up unleashing hyperinflation. By 1994, consumer prices in Russia would skyrocket to almost 2000 times what they had been in 1990. That candy bar that had cost $1 now cost $2000. Hyperinflation devastated ordinary Russians.

Meanwhile, Chubais was tasked with overseeing mass privatization. That entailed transforming a nation whose almost entire economy consisted of state-controlled industries — manufacturing plants, oil refineries, mines, media outlets, biscuit factories, you name it — into private enterprises. It was, to date, surely the biggest transfer of state assets to private owners in world history.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2022/03/22/1087654279/how-shock-the
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Hey! It's from NPR: A source you know and trust!

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