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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Friday, March 31, 2023 3:33 PM

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Truth Or Lies (2015), Chapter 5 from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder

"He who is deceived is turned into a thing."—Mikhail Bakhtin, 1943

“Information war is now the main type of war.” Dmitry Kiselev was in a position to know. He was the coordinator of the Russian state agency for international news, and the host of a popular Sunday evening program, Vesti Nedeli, that led the information offensive against Ukraine.

The first men the Kremlin sent to Ukraine, the spearpoint of the Russian invasion, were the political technologists. A war where Surkov commands is fought in unreality. He was in Crimea and Kyiv in February 2014, and served as Putin’s advisor on Ukraine thereafter. The Russian political technologist Alexander Borodai was the press officer for Crimea during its annexation. In summer 2014, the “prime ministers” of two newly invented “people’s republics” in Ukraine’s southeast were Russian media managers.

A modest affair in military terms, the Russian invasion of southern and then southeastern Ukraine involved the most sophisticated propaganda campaign in the history of warfare. The propaganda worked at two levels: first, as a direct assault on factuality, denying the obvious, even the war itself; second, as an unconditional proclamation of innocence, denying that Russia could be responsible for any wrong. No war was taking place, and it was thoroughly justified.

When Russia began its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2014, President Putin lied with purpose. On February 28 he claimed, “We have no intention of rattling the sabre and sending troops to Crimea.” He had already sent troops to Crimea. At the moment he uttered these words, Russian troops had been marching through Ukrainian sovereign territory for four days. For that matter, the Night Wolves were in Crimea, following Russian soldiers around in a loud display of revving engines, a media stunt to make the Russian presence unmistakable. Even so, Putin chose to mock reporters who noted the basic facts. On March 4, he asserted that Russian soldiers were local Ukrainian citizens who had purchased their uniforms at local stores. “Why don’t you have a look at the post-Soviet states,” Putin proposed. “There are many uniforms there that are similar. You can go to a store and buy any kind of uniform.”

Putin was not trying to convince anyone in that post-Soviet world that Russia had not invaded Ukraine. Indeed, he took for granted that Ukrainian leaders would not believe his lie. The provisional Ukrainian government understood that Ukraine was under Russian attack, which is why it plead for an international response rather than reacting with military force. Had leaders in Kyiv believed Putin, they certainly would have ordered resistance. Putin’s aim was not to fool Ukrainians but to create a bond of willing ignorance with Russians, who were meant to understand that Putin was lying but to believe him anyway. As the reporter Charles Clover put it in his study of Lev Gumilev: “Putin has correctly surmised that lies unite rather than divide Russia’s political class. The greater and the more obvious the lie, the more his subjects demonstrate their loyalty by accepting it, and the more they participate in the great sacral mystery of Kremlin power.”

Putin’s direct assault on factuality might be called implausible deniability. By denying what everyone knew, Putin was creating unifying fictions at home and dilemmas in European and American newsrooms. Western journalists are taught to report the facts, and by March 4 the factual evidence that Russia had invaded Ukraine was overwhelming. Russian and Ukrainian journalists had filmed Russian soldiers marching through Crimea. Ukrainians were already calling Russian special forces “little green men,” a joking suggestion that the soldiers in their unmarked uniforms must have come from outer space. The soldiers could not speak Ukrainian; local Ukrainians were also quick to notice Russian slang particular to Russian cities and not used in Ukraine. As the reporter Ekaterina Sergatskova pointed out, “the ‘little green men’ do not conceal that they are from Russia.”

Western journalists are also taught to report various interpretations of the facts. The adage that there are two sides to a story makes sense when those who represent each side accept the factuality of the world and interpret the same set of facts. Putin’s strategy of implausible deniability exploited this convention while destroying its basis. He positioned himself as a side of the story while mocking factuality. “I am lying to you openly and we both know it” is not a side of the story. It is a trap.

Western editors, although they had the reports of the Russian invasion on their desks in the late days of February and the early days of March 2014, chose to feature Putin’s exuberant denials. And so the narrative of the Russian invasion of Ukraine shifted in a subtle but profound way: it was not about what was happening to Ukrainians, but about what the Russian president chose to say about Ukraine. A real war became reality television, with Putin as the hero. Much of the press accepted its supporting role in the drama. Even as Western editors became more critical over time, their criticism was framed as their own doubts about Kremlin claims. When Putin later admitted that Russia had indeed invaded Ukraine, this only proved that the Western press had been a player in his show.

After implausible deniability, Russia’s second propaganda strategy was the proclamation of innocence. The invasion was to be understood not as a stronger country attacking a weaker neighbor at a moment of extreme vulnerability, but as the righteous rebellion of an oppressed people against an overpowering global conspiracy. As Putin said on March 4: “I sometimes get the feeling that across the huge puddle, in America, people sit in a lab and conduct experiments, as if with rats, without actually understanding the consequences of what they are doing.” The war was not taking place; but were it taking place, America was to be blamed; and since America was a superpower, all was permitted in response to its omnipotent malice. If Russia had invaded, which it was somehow both doing and not doing, Russians would be justified in whatever they were doing and not doing.

The choice of tactics in the invasion served this strategy of innocence. The absence of insignia on Russian uniforms and the absence of markings on Russian weapons, armor, equipment, and vehicles did not convince anyone in Ukraine. The point was to create the ambience of a television drama of heroic locals taking unusual measures against titanic American power. Russians would be expected to believe the preposterous: that the soldiers whom they saw on their television screens were not their own army but a ragtag band of can-do Ukrainian rebels defending the honor of their people against a Nazi regime supported by infinite American power. The absence of insignia was not meant as evidence, but as a cue about how Russian viewers were supposed to follow the plot. It was not meant to convince in a factual sense, but to guide in a narrative sense.

Real soldiers pretending for dramatic reasons to be local partisans can use partisan tactics, thus endangering real civilians. As a tactic of war, this might be called reverse asymmetry. Normally, “asymmetrical warfare” means the use of unconventional tactics by a partisan force or terrorist group against a stronger regular army. In the Russian invasion, the strong used the weapons of the weak—partisan and terrorist tactics—in order to pretend to be the weak. During what was already an illegal invasion, the Russian army broke the basic laws of war, by design and from the outset. Putin endorsed this manner of warfare even as he denied that a Russian invasion was under way. On March 4, he predicted that Russian soldiers would hide among civilians. “And let’s see those [Ukrainian] troops try to shoot their own people, with us behind them—not in front, but behind. Let them just try to shoot at women and children!”

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Friday, March 31, 2023 6:27 PM

THG


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Truth Or Lies (2015), Chapter 5 from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder

"He who is deceived is turned into a thing."—Mikhail Bakhtin, 1943






I read this and Jack immediately came to mind.

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Saturday, April 1, 2023 6:06 AM

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Chapter Five from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder
Truth Or Lies (2015)

Vladimir Antyufeyev was Russia’s leading specialist in the form of geopolitical theater known as “frozen conflict.” In a frozen conflict, Russia occupies small parts of a nearby country (Moldova since 1991, Georgia since 2008, Ukraine since 2014), and then presents its own occupation as an internal problem that prevents its neighbors from having closer relations with the European Union or NATO.

For Antyufeyev, the desires of the people of the Donbas were subordinate to the prerogatives of a far grander struggle against the European Union and the United States, which he portrayed as the Satanic West. He promised an offensive that would turn the tide in this global war. The Soviet Union had not collapsed, he said, because of its own problems, but because the West had deployed mysterious “destructive technologies”—this phrase, as in the Izborsk Club manifesto, meant “facts.” The Russian invasion of Ukraine, Antyufeyev said, must be understood as the self-defense of innocent Russians from an alliance between “the Freemasons of Europe and the United States” and “the fascists of Ukraine.” Antyufeyev had mastered schizofascism. Russia was at war against “fascists,” but these fascists were somehow in league with international “Freemasons.” The idea of a global conspiracy of Masons is fascist. Antyufeyev was using this fascist portrayal of the world to present himself as an anti-fascist.

Since Ukraine was the focus of the efforts of the global anti-Russian conspiracy, victory there, Antyufeyev thought, might change the world. The Russian intervention in Ukraine, Antyufeyev explained, was a defense of Russia’s natural gas and fresh water from a rapacious United States. It was all one struggle, but it could be won. In Antyufeyev’s view, “Ukraine is a disintegrating state. Exactly like the United States.” The destruction of the United States was both desirable and inevitable. “If the world were saved from demonic constructions such as the United States, it would be easier for everyone to live. And one of these days it will happen.”

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Saturday, April 1, 2023 8:25 AM

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Truth Or Lies (2015), Chapter 5 from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder

"He who is deceived is turned into a thing."—Mikhail Bakhtin, 1943






I read this and Jack immediately came to mind.

T




Let's talk about how it's Mika Brazenski's job to control what you think, worm.

Meanwhile... It looks like Second ignored you again. The only guy left here that agrees with anything you think and he won't even acknowledge that you exist.

That's got to sting, huh?

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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Saturday, April 1, 2023 10:21 AM

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Let's talk about how it's Mika Brazenski's job to control what you think, worm.

Meanwhile... It looks like Second ignored you again. The only guy left here that agrees with anything you think and he won't even acknowledge that you exist.

That's got to sting, huh?

I read what he wrote and it stood up well and didn't need me saying "Ditto!" like the Dittoheads who once listened to the Rush Limbaugh show. Before that fat lying sack of shit Rush Limbaugh died from smoking (get the message, 6ix) the fat lying sack of shit Trump gave Rush the Medal of Freedom for being the biggest asshole on talk radio.

6ix, you would fit in well with Dittoheads and the Russkies. They love being told that Putin is a fine man who will be reelected. They get angry when told Putin is a criminal just as 6ix gets angry when told Trump is a criminal.

Putin awards medals to soldiers accused of Bucha massacre
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-war-putin-meda
ls-bucha-b2060568.html


Limbaugh was visibly emotional as the president spoke about his longtime friend, who announced Monday that he's been diagnosed with Stage 4 lung cancer. He was one of the Trumps' special guests at the State of the Union address, which touched on economic development, school choice, health care, immigration and the military.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/02/05/why-did-trump-
give-medal-freedom-rush-limbaugh-during-sotu/4665020002
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Saturday, April 1, 2023 1:08 PM

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SECOND, you post endless bullshit about anything but the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, which (in case you don't remember) is Ukraine.

RUSSIA!
PUTIN!
TRUMPTARDS!
LIMBAUGH!

I guess things must be going well for "your side" in Ukie-land, huh?



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Saturday, April 1, 2023 1:17 PM

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Signym's brain farts stinking up the internet.

If you would shut up, Signym, nobody would know how meaningless your life is and how empty inside you actually are. The same is true of Medvelev:

Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev leveraged comments about sending peacekeeping forces to Ukraine to continue information operations that portray the West as escalatory. Medvedev likely responded to Viktor Orban’s March 31 statements regarding alleged European discussions about sending peacekeeping forces to Ukraine and stated that Russian forces would target the hypothetical peacekeepers.[16] Medvedev argued that a Western-led peacekeeping mission to Ukraine would end in tragedies reminiscent of Yugoslavia and other conflicts.[17] There are no indications outside of Orban’s comments that Western officials are seriously discussing such a proposal, and Medvedev likely used Orban’s comments to construct a straw man proposal to paint the West as trying to escalate the war in Ukraine.

• Russian President Vladimir Putin approved a new Russian Foreign Policy Concept on March 31 that likely aims to support the Kremlin’s attempts to promote a potential anti-Western coalition.

• Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko continues to use high-profile public statements to portray Belarus as a sovereign state despite its current de-facto occupation by Russian forces.

• Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov promptly rejected Lukashenko’s suggestion of a ceasefire and indicated that the Kremlin is not interested in serious negotiations.

• Russian Security Council deputy chairman Dmitry Medvedev leveraged comments about sending peacekeeping forces to Ukraine to continue information operations that portray the West as escalatory.

• Russian forces continued ground attacks along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

• Russian forces made gains within Bakhmut and Ukrainian forces regained positions in the Bakhmut area.

• Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Avdiivka-Donetsk frontline.

• Ukrainian strikes against Russian concentration areas in southern Ukraine are likely causing the Russian grouping in the area to change tactics to avoid the risk of strikes.

• Russian officials continue to state that Russian forces have no plans for a formal second wave of mobilization.

• Russian officials continue to send Ukrainian children to camps in Russia.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-march-31-2023


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Saturday, April 1, 2023 1:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I posted this back in May, 2014. It was true then, and even truer now. But both liberaloid losers and neocon jerkoffs refused to see the truth, bc it doesn't fit in with their "narrative".

Doods, ditch the narrative and wake up, before your fearless leaders eat you alive..

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It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).

The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.

At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this. With the entry of the IMF (and for all I know, the remainder of the troika: the European Commission and the European Central Bank ECB) into the fray, this is clearly a well-coordinated plan, with the USA and the EU and the IMF alternately taking turns to push the project forward, creating no discernable division of interest between them.

Until recently, the Kiev government has been reluctant to mobilize its army because the army itself is probably divided; there have been reports of “security forces” defecting to the east. Instead, the Kiev government has been trying to create citizen militias pro-Nazi groups and other irregular forces to take the place of the army.

The pro-Nazi groups have since been folded into the regular army. There are a few in each unit, and they act like the Soviet Commissars were said to have acted in WWII: With pistols to the backs of the regular troops, enforcing loyalty to the cause.

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Since the IMF has threatened to renegotiate the loan status, Turchinov, the unelected President of Kiev… oops, I mean Ukraine… has reinstated the draft. I can't imagine what liberal pro-western Ukrainians are thinking now... "Doubled gas prices? Halved pensions? And now the draft???"
Also, dragooning teens and old men off the streets to throw themselves into Russian artillery. Broken economy.

None of this would have happened if Germany and France held Kiev's feet to the fire and forced them to uphold the MinskII agreement. But all of those signatories later said that they lied (huh. A feature of the west.) when they signed the agreement and ony negotiated it to buy time to arm and train Ukrainians to continue their death-match with Russia.

Poor Ukrainian people. Inveigled into suicide. It didn't have to be this way.




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Saturday, April 1, 2023 3:30 PM

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I posted this back in May, 2014.

The Russian counterattack against the Ukrainian army was launched in July 2014 from the territory of the Russian Federation. It began with massive artillery barrages launched from the Russian side of the border. Evgeny Zhukov, one of the Ukrainian soldiers clearing a stretch of the border in the Luhansk region, recorded the consequences of the first Russian artillery barrage of July 11. Writing on his Facebook page that evening, he wished to correct reports that he and his men had been in a battle. That was not the case. They had been targeted, as he correctly stated, in “a carefully prepared, precisely rehearsed, and successful artillery strike on our military base at the Luhansk border from the Russian side.” He described as many of the seventy-nine people who were killed as he could. At the end of his post, he offered them all “a low bow.”

Zhukov was describing the first strike in a massive Russian artillery campaign directed against the Ukrainian army. It lasted for four weeks. Until August 8, Russian artillery fired regularly from at least sixty-six positions on the Russian side of the border. Units such as Zhukov’s were helpless. Ukraine was at a permanent disadvantage in the information war—some European and American observers were still uncertain that a war was going on, or that Russia was the aggressor. In this fog of stupefaction, a Ukrainian attack on Russian territory would have been a political disaster. And so the information war determined the conditions of the war on the ground. Russia could shell Ukraine from its own territory without consequences, but Ukraine could not consider responding in kind. Some Ukrainian soldiers under artillery fire even fled across the border to Russia, because they knew that Russian territory would be safe. Meanwhile, Russian journalists at the Russian-Ukrainian border had no difficulty in seeing that “Russia is shelling Ukraine from Russian territory.” Russian citizens in the border zone took videos of Russian soldiers in action. The Russian soldier Vadim Gregoriev, stationed in Mateiovo Kurgan, in Russia, posted proudly that “all night we pounded Ukraine.”

Armies usually evacuate civilians from an artillery range so that they will not be killed by the enemy’s return fire. Russian authorities gave no such orders, presumably because they were confident no counterstrike was coming. Children on the Russian side of the border, unlike children on the Ukrainian side of the border, learned to sleep through shelling: it was not directed at them. Some local Russians felt ill at ease about this one-way war, in which their farmsteads were used to rain down death on people not so different from themselves. But a sense of safety combined with television propaganda helped to resolve guilt: “It’s awful, but we’ve understood already that the shooting is not at us, but from us.” And if the shooting is “from us,” it must be right and good: “Our people are cleansing the border of fascists.” After all, said a local Russian, if “Nazis are committing genocide” on the Ukrainian side, then such unusual measures must be justified.

The Russian journalists who reported on the shelling were placing themselves at risk. One of them, Elena Racheva, found herself speaking to FSB officers in Kuibyshevo as the daily cannonade began. “Is that a Grad?” she asked, after they had all paused to listen to the roar characteristic of that artillery piece. All the FSB men smiled. “It was thunder,” said one. “I didn’t hear a thing,” said a second. “It was my wife calling,” was the joke of a third. “It’s a military salute,” was the final witticism. “You understand,” said Racheva, “that I can write about this.” And the threatening reply: “And then my colleagues will come and explain more persuasively that this was a salute.”

The Ukrainian army could not shell Russia, but it could shell Russian soldiers and their allies inside Ukraine. The Russian artillery campaign began only six days after Girkin withdrew his men to the city of Donetsk, and continued thereafter for three more weeks. As Ukrainian soldiers were cut to pieces by Russian Grads firing from Russia, their comrades did not hesitate to aim their own Grads at Ukrainian cities where Russian soldiers, Russian volunteers, and their local allies were hiding. “The shelling so far in Donetsk,” admitted Girkin, “I am responsible.” The Russian journalist Natalya Telegina distinguished the fable of television, where heroic soldiers defend civilians, from the artillery war she saw: “But that reality exists only on television screens, not around you. Around you is simply war, where both sides are shooting, and no one spares the civilian population.”

That was a fact.

Chapter Five, Truth Or Lies (2015), from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder

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Sunday, April 2, 2023 5:49 AM

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One day after Russia began shelling Ukraine, Russian television provided a compelling escalation in the competition for innocence. On July 12, 2014 Pervyi Kanal told a stirring — and entirely fictional — story of a three-year-old Russian boy who was crucified by Ukrainian soldiers in Sloviansk. No evidence was provided, and independent Russian journalists noted the story’s problems: none of the people in the story existed, nor did the “Lenin Square” where the atrocity supposedly transpired. When confronted with this, Russia’s deputy minister for communications, Alexei Volin, said that ratings were all that mattered. People watched the cruci-fiction, so all was well.

It seems that Alexander Dugin personally invented the cruci-fiction, a version of which had already appeared on his personal social media. The image of a murdered innocent made Russia the Christ of nations and its war of aggression a response to diabolical cruelty. The purpose of the Russian intervention was nominally to protect speakers of Russian, or as Putin said, “the Russian world.” Since everyone on all sides of the conflict spoke Russian, the Russian intervention was killing Russian speakers rather than protecting them. The inconvenience of the factual was overcome by what Dugin liked to call “an archetype,” the killing of Jesus. A bloody and confusing war started by flawed Russian leaders that killed thousands of Russian speakers became the martyrdom of an innocent Russian body.

Russian television was the instrument of implausible deniability. It denied the presence of Russian special forces, secret services, commanders, volunteers, and weapons. Prominent Russian citizens such as Girkin, Borodai, and Antyufeyev appeared on Russian television screens, described as activists of “Novorossiia” or administrators of the “Donetsk People’s Republic.” The same Russian television channels that claimed Russian soldiers were Ukrainian volunteers released video of men at war in Ukraine with what were unmistakably advanced Russian weapons systems. The most modern Russian tanks, not available for foreign sale and never before seen outside Russia, appeared on Ukrainian territory. Russians were not meant to decide the factual question of whether or not their army was in Ukraine, which was obviously the case. They were meant to follow the cues of a television drama: if the voiceover instructed that Russians and their weapons were local, then that was the story to be followed.

Chapter Five, Truth Or Lies (2015), from The Road to Unfreedom (2018) by Timothy Snyder

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Ukraine is building up its forces for an offensive

It has received a bonanza of Western arms in the past few months

On September 22nd 1941 Britain declared “tanks for Russia” week, with factories churning out armour to “repel the savage invaders”. The wife of the Soviet ambassador in London christened the first tank personally: “Stalin”. The first Leopard tank to arrive in Ukraine, a gift from Poland in February, has remained anonymous. But it is the vanguard of a substantial arsenal coming Ukraine’s way. While all eyes are now on the battle for the eastern town of Bakhmut, attention will soon turn to an expected counter-offensive that could start as early as April.

The German-made Leopard has been at the heart of tricky debates among Ukraine’s partners. On January 25th Olaf Scholz, Germany’s chancellor, ended weeks of dithering by promising to send the Leopard 2A6, an advanced variant. Many thought that would unleash a torrent of donations from the dozen other European countries which operate Leopards. It has been more of a trickle. So far, the coalition has pledged just two battalions of the most modern Leopards (a Ukrainian tank battalion is supposed to have 31 tanks). Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands are also purchasing at least 100 older, but refurbished, Leopard 1A5s for Ukraine, making up another three battalions.

The Leopards are being supplemented with a motley collection of other tanks. Britain is sending a company of 14 Challenger 2s. America has promised 31 M1A2 Abrams, the most advanced tanks in its arsenal, though it looks likely that they will not arrive for months. Poland, which has promised 14 Leopards and has already sent around 250 Soviet-designed T-72 tanks to Ukraine, will send 60 modernised T-72s. A variety of infantry fighting vehicles, from the ageing Soviet-era BMP-1 to America’s Stryker and Bradley vehicles, will pad out the armoured brigades.

Yet the fixation on tanks has distracted from a more important shift in strategy. In December America and Britain realised that a protracted war was not in the West’s interests. Russia, moreover, was even weaker than previously thought. The mood, says one official involved in those discussions, was: “If we want something to change, we need to change something.” The turning-point came on January 20th at the eighth meeting of the Ukraine Defence Contact Group, an American-led meeting of defence ministers held roughly monthly at a big American air base at Ramstein in Germany. There, allies agreed to equip Ukraine with more than a division’s worth of kit, with the aim of having much of it in place by the end of March.



The flow of arms has accordingly turned from a trickle to a flood. Of all the military aid pledged by the Pentagon since the war began, 40%—costing over $8bn—has come in the three months since December 9th (see chart). One European defence official says that the infusion of arms agreed on in Germany in January alone amounts to two-thirds of the total sent to Ukraine in all of 2022. Most of the donations are not as sexy as tanks, but are still crucial—the latest American package includes armoured bridge-laying vehicles, for instance, which would be vital for any offensive in the south or east.

Ukraine’s army is being transformed as a result. The bulk of its hardware is still of Soviet origin. But whereas the ratio of Soviet-standard to Western kit stood at five to one at the end of last year, that is expected to fall to five to two as the aid flows in. In other words, almost a third of Ukraine’s army will soon have NATO-standard equipment. General Valery Zaluzhny, Ukraine’s top officer, hopes that he will eventually have three new army corps at his disposal, each with six brigades, and each comprising more than 20,000 men.

A Russian offensive that began in late January was intended, in part, to force Ukraine to commit these reserves, thereby making it much harder to mount a counter-offensive. In recent days, Russian soldiers and mercenaries have advanced deeper into Bakhmut, a town in Donetsk province that has been under Russian assault since last summer. But the battle for the town has resulted in far greater Russian losses than Ukrainian ones. And, more important, General Zaluzhny has avoided the obvious trap.

Instead of throwing sizeable reserves into Bakhmut to save the town, which is of far greater symbolic than military value, he has sent troops abroad to train on the new equipment. Since January America’s 7th Army Training Command has been running a five-week course for Ukrainian units at its Grafenwoehr training area in eastern Bavaria, in Germany. During its offensives last year, Ukraine’s army largely attacked in company-sized formations. The training in Grafenwoehr is intended to bring these together into bigger battalions and brigades capable of waging “combined-arms” warfare, in which infantry, armour, artillery and other combat arms work together rather than just sequentially—as is mostly the case now.

Western officials are divided on whether all this will be enough to eject Russia from the roughly 18% of Ukraine it controls at present. Only a battalion’s worth of soldiers will pass through Grafenwoehr each month; a large proportion of Ukraine’s army is still made up of mobilised men with limited experience. Ammunition remains a serious problem, because Western allies have been slow to ramp up production. And Ukraine’s lack of air power may become a bigger issue if Russian warplanes prove willing to run bigger risks during any Ukrainian offensive.

On the other hand, Russia’s army is in dire shape. If, after conquering Bakhmut, it decides to plough on deeper into Donetsk, it will have to run down its own meagre reserves even more. It might eventually start pulling units from other parts of the long front line, creating gaps that Ukraine can exploit, suggests Gustav Gressel of the European Council on Foreign Relations, a think-tank. Ukraine’s allies are watching closely for weak points.

On March 2nd, Mark Milley, America’s top general, visited tabletop wargames held by America at a base in Wiesbaden, Germany, to help Ukrainian officers consider different options for an offensive. Few think that Ukraine can restore its pre-war boundaries at a single stroke, let alone take back territory, including Crimea, seized by Russia in 2014. But if Ukraine can tear another significant chunk out of Russian-occupied territory, as it did last year in the north-east around Kharkiv, and in the south around Kherson, it would quash the belief—expressed by General Milley, among others—that the war is doomed to stalemate.

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James Olson, CIA former chief of counterintelligence, said he believes the sharks are now circling for Putin.

"It is not going well at all. I believe Putin is in a no-win situation now," Olson told The Sun Online.

"If Putin stays in power, there will be a long war because he will not give up - but I do not think that Putin is going to stay in power. I believe that he will be removed from power.

"I believe that there is a strong undercurrent of opposition to Putin in the military, in the intelligence services, among the oligarchs."

Putin is known to live in fear of an uprising or internal coup - allegedly being obsessed with the toppling and subsequent killing of Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi.

Olson went on: "Putin is destroying Russia. I believe there are some
good Russians, some patriotic Russians who will decide enough is
enough.

"I think Putin will be taken out. I would not rule out assassination.

"I think it is actually likely that some patriotic Russians will decide they need to eliminate Putin.

"And that would be the end of the war. Because the Russian people are suffering and they are losing people. Putin is bleeding Russia and he cannot do that forever."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21882127/putin-dead-man-walking-killed-c
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Interview with Mikhail Shishkin: ‘The main enemy of Russian culture is the Russian regime’

The revered Russian writer and Putin critic on how the war in Ukraine has divided his nation, and why culture is the only cure

Mikhail Shishkin was born in Moscow and is one of the most lauded writers in contemporary Russian literature, and the only one to receive all three of Russia’s most prestigious literary awards. An outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin and what he calls his “criminal regime”, he has lived in exile in Switzerland since 1995. In My Russia: War Or Peace?, his most recent book to be translated into English, he surveys the violent contours of Russia history and examines the troubled relationship between the Russian state and its citizens.

You’ve spoken in the past of a civil war in Russian literature between nationalists and liberals. Has that deepened since the invasion of Ukraine?
Twenty years ago we were all together in Kyiv at the literary festival – writers and poets writing in Russian in Ukraine. And I had the feeling that finally we are building the future Russian culture, where mutual understanding is important. And then later the Crimea annexation came and I saw people I’d been sitting at the table with shouting: “Crimea is ours! Crimea is ours!” It was like the famous play by [Eugène] Ionesco, Rhinoceros, where people turn into rhinoceroses. It wasn’t possible to talk to them. It was impossible to talk to my brother who lives in Moscow. So we became strangers. There is something like a civilisation gap between us in Russian culture. I can understand why people who don’t read books support this war. But it’s impossible for me to explain why cultured people support this war.

Putin has the psychology of all dictators: ‘If I leave this world, the world must go with me’

In your book you say it’s the mission of all Russian writers and artists to show that not all Russians support this war. But as you say, many artists and writers don’t think that’s their mission.
It’s a mission for me now. All my life I felt very solid ground under my feet. It was Russian culture. And now it’s blown away. One hundred years ago Russian immigrants were not ashamed of speaking Russian on the streets of Berlin or Paris. But now they are ashamed to speak their language. And my mission now is to do everything to return dignity to the Russian language. And that is possible only with the victory of Ukraine in this war against our common enemy, the Russian regime, because the main enemy of Russian culture is the Russian regime.

You write that Russia will have a future only if it passes through total defeat. Is that a viable option for a nuclear power?
Putin has the psychology of all dictators: “If I leave this world, the world must go with me.” They don’t have empathy. They don’t love people. They hate people. And so I’m sure he would press the red button. But nobody will fulfil his order to destroy the Earth. Nobody. And you know why? Because in Russia the main question is not like in Russian classical literature of 19th century: who is to blame? What is to be done? No, the main question is: is the tsar real or false? And you can prove that you are real by winning a war. Stalin killed millions of people but he is beloved by the population. Gorbachev was beloved in the west, but he lost the Afghanistan war and the cold war against the west. [So] he’s despised. Putin’s generals told him they would take Kyiv in three days, and he miscalculated. He failed. And now he is a false tsar. Nobody will fulfil an order from a false tsar.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/apr/02/mikhail-shishkin-my-russ
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Let's talk about how it's Mika Brazenski's job to control what you think, worm.

Meanwhile... It looks like Second ignored you again. The only guy left here that agrees with anything you think and he won't even acknowledge that you exist.

That's got to sting, huh?

I read what he wrote and it stood up well and didn't need me saying "Ditto!" like the Dittoheads who once listened to the Rush Limbaugh show. Before that fat lying sack of shit Rush Limbaugh died from smoking (get the message, 6ix) the fat lying sack of shit Trump gave Rush the Medal of Freedom for being the biggest asshole on talk radio.



Whatever dude. You've never once acknowledged that Ted even exists.




Mark this as the first time that you ever have, and it only happened because you're doing it to argue with me about something. Don't lie. You know it's true. We all know it's true.



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Sunday, April 2, 2023 10:15 AM

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You gotta love it, but not really. Sig would have all believe Russia invaded Ukraine because America wanted him to. We are so powerful we forced Putin to do it.

And further, it's the worlds' fault Putin's soldiers are raping Ukrainian men, women and children. Bombing hospitals and schools and the general population overall. Just as he did in Syria.

Signym not only shows she condones this behavior by shilling for Putin, but by doing so exposes herself to the Firefly community to be trash. A Russian troll. A Russian piece of shit.

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Let's be blunt. The US Army and the Russian Army have much in common because the soldiers in both are inadequate for their jobs. The Russian Army is grossly incompetent, which is why it failed spectacularly when it invaded Finland in 1939, struggled when Germany invaded, why it lost in Afghanistan, why it is performing badly in Ukraine, and why it is always threatening to sidestep its fundamental incompetence and just nuke everything. The Russian Army knows it isn't anything more than dummies who compensate for their inadequacies as soldiers with an overabundance of artillery.

The US Army is not particularly more competent than the Russians because it is full of Trump-loving people who think like Confederates, stupid ones at that. The Confederates lost but still gravitated toward the US Army for careers after the Civil War. How did the US Army win in WWII? It dragged in millions of highly competent people who would have never wanted a career in the military and never would have voted for an obvious fraud such as Trump. These capable people, just temporarily fighting WWII, were in no way similar to the Confederate losers who controlled the US military before and after WWII.

The US Army has lost again and again because it is loaded up with the same kind of people who would fit in very well with the stupid Russians. The US Army does have a distinct advantage given to it by superior engineering of weapons compared to the Russians. The US Army does spend a fortune on each soldier in order to train them to not devolve into Trumptards in the middle of combat. And the US Army does not threaten to sidestep the fundamental incompetence of its soldiers and just nuke everything, unlike Russians who cannot go a week without saying they will nuke the US.

U.S. Military Voting Intention in 2016 and 2020
https://www.statista.com/chart/22761/us-military-voting-intention-in-t
he-november-election
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You gotta love it, but not really. Sig would have all believe Russia invaded Ukraine because America wanted him to.

Yep, you got it. Finally.

We've been provoking them into war in Ukraine since 2014 by supporting anyone who was anti-Russian, including full-on Nazis. The rest of your post is bullshit.


And we're trying to do the same to China in Taiwan.

We also funded Islamic jihadists in Chechnya, Syria. and Libya and death squads in Central America.

We're not "peacekeepers" or "world cops", or "democracy-lovers", we're nation-destroyers. No better than Russia.

Glad you finally figured that out.


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Thousands of Russian casualties in the Ukraine war are linked to alcohol consumption by troops, according to UK officials.

They said army commanders had been forced to accept the problem as “part of military life” because of the culture of heavy drinking in Russian society.

Moscow has suffered up to 200,000 casualties since the invasion of its neighbour in February last year.

According to the latest intelligence update from the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MoD), “a significant minority of these have been due to non-combat causes”.

The MoD said a report by the Russian Telegram news channel last month said there had been an “extremely high numbers of incidents, crimes, and deaths linked to alcohol consumption” among their forces.

“Other leading causes of non-combat casualties likely include poor weapon handing drills, road traffic accidents and climatic injuries such as hypothermia,” the MoD said.

“Russian commanders likely identify pervasive alcohol abuse as particularly detrimental to combat effectiveness.

“However, with heavy drinking pervasive across much of Russian society, it has long been seen as a tacitly accepted part of military life, even on combat operations.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/thousands-of-russian-casualties-i
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Sunday, April 2, 2023 6:52 PM

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Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

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Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

Signym, where did you get the idea that Russians make competent soldiers? They aren't even competent at being humans:

Russia is quite literally drinking itself to death. It’s difficult to overstate how serious Russia’s alcohol problem is. More than 30% of all deaths in Russia in 2012 were attributable to alcohol, according to WHO data crunched by the OECD. That’s by far the highest among the nations it tracked. Russian drinkers die a variety of deaths. Alcohol poisoning. Cirrhosis. Accidents. Suicide.
https://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-dea
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Before you go all wacko, Signym, drinking alcohol is optional. It is a choice. Clearly, even in this extremely simple-to-understand area of life, Russians aren't competent when they make their choices.

How Alcohol Conquered Russia. A history of the country’s struggle with alcoholism, and why the government has done so little about it.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/09/how-alcohol-
conquered-russia/279965
/

Signym, look at Russian agriculture and their history of famines. Look at their factories with low productivity. Look at their home lives with low birth rates and high divorce rates. Russians are highly defective people. It is completely unsurprising that in battle the Russians are mowed down like grass. Luckily for Russia, it is Ukrainians doing the mowing. Ukrainians aren't particularly competent soldiers, either, or else there wouldn't be a Russian Army.

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Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

Signym, where did you get the idea that Russians make competent soldiers?


SECOND-RATE, where did you get the idea that the western military is honest?

The BBC independently estimates Russian dead in the realm of 25,000. Compared to Kiev's estimated deaths of 100,000- 200,000 soldiers.




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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

Signym, where did you get the idea that Russians make competent soldiers?


SECOND-RATE, where did you get the idea that the western military is honest?

The BBC independently estimates Russian dead in the realm of 25,000. Compared to Kiev's estimated deaths of 100,000- 200,000 soldiers.

Words don't persuade Russians, therefore the Ukrainians switched to bullets and explosives. Whichever side is best at hitting their targets will win with the most persuasive argument.

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Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

SECOND: Signym, where did you get the idea that Russians make competent soldiers?

SIGNY: SECOND-RATE, where did you get the idea that the western military is honest?

The BBC independently estimates Russian dead in the realm of 25,000. Compared to Kiev's estimated deaths of 100,000- 200,000 soldiers.

SECOND: Words don't persuade Russians, therefore the Ukrainians switched to bullets and explosives. Whichever side is best at hitting their targets will win with the most persuasive argument.


I guess that means Russia's already winning, since they're hitting a lot more targets than Kiev.

Unless the west resorts to nuclear weapons, Russia will win.

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Anyone who predicates their argument with "200,000 Russian dead" is a retard.

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We've got a couple of retards on this board.

One of them doesn't even acknowledge the other exists, while that one constantly begs the other for just a scrap of attention.



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I guess that means Russia's already winning, since they're hitting a lot more targets than Kiev.

Unless the west resorts to nuclear weapons, Russia will win.

The only country threatening to use nuclear weapons is Russia, so you don't even comprehend that. I get the feeling you misunderstand that Russia invaded Ukraine, rather than the other way around, although Russians did say Ukraine invaded them. Russia could stop being confused and could declare victory at any time and go home but doesn't because Putin's life and fortune hang by a weak thread. If Russia goes home without an obvious win, Putin loses his job.

Russia tells BBC “we did not invade Ukraine” and there is “no war” there



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I guess that means Russia's already winning, since they're hitting a lot more targets than Kiev.

Unless the west resorts to nuclear weapons, Russia will win.

The only country threatening to use nuclear weapons is Russia, so you don't even comprehend that.



There's only one country that ever did use nuclear weapons.

You don't have to say you're going to use them to threaten their use. Simply having them in the first place IS the threat.

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There's only one country that ever did use nuclear weapons.

You don't have to say you're going to use them to threaten their use. Simply having them in the first place IS the threat.

There is a reason why the US does NOT threaten people with nukes and Russia still does, even in the last week. The US is well aware that the deaths are NOT limited to the few hundred thousand in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Russians are totally oblivious to the over a million deaths they caused with their atmospheric nuclear tests.

Approximately 2.4 million people died from cancer as a result of atmospheric testing globally. In the United States, which conducted almost half of all nuclear tests, a 2017 study estimated that fallout from nuclear testing contributed between 340,000 to 460,000 excess deaths from 1951 and 1973.

The Russians never paid any attention to those over a million deaths the Russians caused, which is why the blithering Russian idiots keep threatening to nuke the world. If you weren't as ignorant as a Russian, you would know this, 6ix.

https://www.gcsp.ch/global-insights/75-years-later-nuclear-weapons-sti
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SECOND, if Russia based nuclear missiles in Cuba, Mexico, Nicaragua and Canada, would that to be a threat?

U.S. Nuclear Weapons in Europe
https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-u-s-nuclear-weapons-in-europe/

Biden’s Nuclear Strike Policy Is the Same as Russia’s
https://theintercept.com/2022/04/11/nuclear-weapons-biden-russia-strik
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There's only one country that ever did use nuclear weapons.

You don't have to say you're going to use them to threaten their use. Simply having them in the first place IS the threat.

There is a reason why the US does NOT threaten people with nukes and Russia still does, even in the last week. The US is well aware that the deaths are NOT limited to the few hundred thousand in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Russians are totally oblivious to the over a million deaths they caused with their atmospheric nuclear tests.

Approximately 2.4 million people died from cancer as a result of atmospheric testing globally. In the United States, which conducted almost half of all nuclear tests, a 2017 study estimated that fallout from nuclear testing contributed between 340,000 to 460,000 excess deaths from 1951 and 1973.

The Russians never paid any attention to those over a million deaths the Russians caused, which is why the blithering Russian idiots keep threatening to nuke the world. If you weren't as ignorant as a Russian, you would know this, 6ix.



Yeah. The problem here is that I and/or the Russians are ignorant of nuclear fallout.

Quote:

There is a reason why the US does NOT threaten people with nukes and Russia still does, even in the last week. The US is well aware that the deaths are NOT limited to the few hundred thousand in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Russians are totally oblivious to the over a million deaths they caused with their atmospheric nuclear tests.


And as for that part, no. That isn't the fucking reason. We're the military power of the world, and even though we have less nukes than Russia, that's just a technicality since both of us have enough to destroy the planet many times over.

I don't even believe that anybody with any authority has threatened nuclear missile use, and even if they did I could hardly blame them with how the media, the Biden* admin, NATO and the NATO thralls in Europe are CEASELESSLY antagonizing Russia.



You're a dumb fucking goon that is bereft of any sense of logic.

Go find some place where you can talk to people as stupid as you are.

Your nonsense doesn't fly here.

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SECOND, if Russia based nuclear missiles in Cuba, Mexico, Nicaragua and Canada, would that to be a threat?

U.S. Nuclear Weapons in Europe
https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-u-s-nuclear-weapons-in-europe/

Biden’s Nuclear Strike Policy Is the Same as Russia’s
https://theintercept.com/2022/04/11/nuclear-weapons-biden-russia-strik
e-policy
/

I've seen the movies and read the books about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy kept a big secret that changes the whole meaning of the crisis:

The Jupiter Missiles and the Endgame of the Cuban Missile Crisis: A Matter of “Great Secrecy”
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/jupiter-missiles-and-endgame-cu
ban-missile-crisis-matter-great-secrecy


The proper response from Kennedy to missiles in Cuba should have been DO NOTHING. THREATEN NO ONE. What difference does it make if the Russian nuke that hits Miami came from Cuba or from a Russian submarine in the Atlantic or even from Russia? No difference but few minutes flight time. Apparently, Russians don't understand that Russia can be nuked from anywhere and Ukraine is not special. Kennedy didn't understand about missile launch distance making no difference, either.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, General Curtis LeMay was in the room. He wanted to nuke Cuba because of missiles in Cuba. LeMay was NOT sane. He ran as VP with George Wallace the Super Racist. LeMay wanted to nuke Vietnam. He wanted to nuke Korea. Actually did nuke Japan. LeMay was not a sane man, but he made Kennedy look sane and wise and calm in comparison.

Russia has its own Curtis LeMays, which is too bad for Russia, and its own rich playboys like the Kennedys pretending to have level heads, but Kennedys were not level-headed. They were excitable little men almost daily committing adultery because they were immature and needed constant stimulation, either with sex or with international crises they caused. Thank Kennedy for the assassination of South Vietnam's President Ngo Dinh Diem when you see Kennedy in hell.

Too bad for Russia that it has Putin, another immature playboy like Kennedy who needs constant sexual stimulation and international crises to feel alive. At least Putin's not a drunk like Boris Yeltsin. Being an alcoholic would be too many behavioral flaws in Putin. He wouldn't be able to function, just like Yeltsin wasn't functioning toward the end.

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. . . while Ukraine is waiting for Western aircraft, it is losing its most experienced pilots.

"As long as we continue to wait we will lose more pilots. We had a list of the most advanced pilots who could be trained on F-16s and unfortunately, some of them have already been killed in action," Lohachov said.

According to Lohachov, "to be effective in the air, jets should have modern radars and air-to-air missiles".

"The radars on Russian jets are about four times better than what we have and they can see much further. As well, the Russian missiles are significantly more capable than our Soviet ones. It is getting more dangerous. Sometimes we can’t even see that the Russians have launched missiles, which is very dangerous for pilots," he said.

He explained how Russia has the capability to attack from a distance of 200 km from the contact line, while Ukrainian aircraft have to fly much closer to the Russians in order to attack them.

The pilots’ message is stark: "Getting F-16s would help us survive and keep more people alive".

"If we want to strike Russian jets we have to get much closer to the front line and fly at a low distance, which is very dangerous," Major Voroshylov said.

"The Russians have 40 air bases and over 700 aircrafts and helicopters altogether and they are more modern than our jets. We are working on the question to get Western jets because what we currently have is not enough to be effective on the battlefield," he said.

Background:

In January, US President Joe Biden stated that his country was not planning to send F-16 fighters to Ukraine.

Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, stressed that Ukrainian defenders need Western F-16 fighter jets.

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-loses-most-experienced-pilots-015939425
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Congratulations to Putin! Without you, it would never happen:

Finland will become the 31st member of NATO on Tuesday, the Western military alliance's secretary general has announced.

The application was prompted by the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, with which Finland shares a long border.

https://ground.news/article/finland-to-join-nato-military-alliance-thi
s-week-chief-says_9a600f


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Further Congratulations to Putin! Without you, it would never happen:

Putin’s Disaster: The Russian Military Is Destroying Itself in Ukraine

https://www.google.com/search?q=Putin%E2%80%99s+Disaster%3A+The+Russia
n+Military+Is+Destroying+Itself+in+Ukraine


“All the dumb Russians are dead.” So said Ukrainian officials in July 2022 as they sought to explain why the Russian army had abandoned the overambitious strategy and amateurish tactics that defined its conduct in the early weeks of the war. It was probably too early to make this quip. The Russians continued to do many dumb things and indeed still do. But broadly speaking, the Ukrainians’ intuition in the summer now appears correct: when it comes to overall military strategy, Moscow seems to have gotten smarter.

More at https://independent.ng/russias-rebound-how-moscow-has-partly-recovered
-from-its-military-setbacks
/

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Monday, April 3, 2023 1:33 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, you consider missiles launched from submarines, or kand- based missiles, to be EQUALLY THREATENING.

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Monday, April 3, 2023 1:41 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, you consider missiles launched from submarines, or kand- based missiles, to be EQUALLY THREATENING.






Not if its Russian.

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So, you consider missiles launched from submarines, or kand- based missiles, to be EQUALLY THREATENING.

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Equally threatening, but I'm not afraid. It may sound very Star Wars-ish or like something out of the movie Dune, but fear is the mind-killer. I see that most people get a knot in their stomachs and a loosening of their bowels by nearly everything, from sudden noises to imminent death. Such people should not be making decisions for other people about war. They should live quiet lives tending to flowers in the garden or doing routine work. Something, anything, not too stressful for their easily upset bowels and bladders.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/2-i-must-not-fear-fear-is-the-mind-ki
ller-fear-is


I should mention that I saw PT-109 in the movie theaters when it was new. President Kennedy got his super fast patrol boat (PT-109) run over by a Japanese destroyer, which didn't even notice that it split Kennedy's command in half. I came away with a different assessment of Kennedy than Hollywood did. JFK should not be in charge of anything, ever. He was just a rich playboy pretending to be an adult. He was not a cool calm hero. He was a fast talker. I think history proves that I, an 11 year old, was right about JFK. That JFK would fall into the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Vietnam War, Bay of Pigs, a Nuclear Arms Race with Russia, and get his head blown off because he wouldn't listen to the Secret Service advising him to not ride in a convertible in Dallas are all expected misfortunes caused by who JFK was.

PT-109 (1963) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057393/

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

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So, you consider missiles launched from submarines, or kand- based missiles, to be EQUALLY THREATENING.

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Equally threatening, but I'm not afraid. It may sound very Star Wars-ish or like something out of the movie Dune, but fear is the mind-killer.



You're afraid of everything MSNBC tells you to be afraid of, little bitch.

We've got it all documented right here.



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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

Equally threatening, but I'm not afraid. It may sound very Star Wars-ish or like something out of the movie Dune, but fear is the mind-killer.



You're afraid of everything MSNBC tells you to be afraid of, little bitch.

We've got it all documented right here.

6ix, you are only a pair of hands, a running mouth, and glands. That is an ugly appraisal, but your drinking and smoking prove it. Don't feel bad, 6ix, because all the Trumptards I know in Texas, except for the rich ones who only voted for Trump because he'd let them cheat on taxes and government regulations, are the same as you. Trumptards, except the rich, can't run their little lives worth a goddamn and Trumptards shouldn't get up-welling feelings of superiority that your judgment is any better on more complex problems such as what happens if Putin does conquer Ukraine. Your tiny Trumptard minds won't stretch enough to encompass such a problem.

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Monday, April 3, 2023 7:53 PM

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I guess that means Russia's already winning, since they're hitting a lot more targets than Kiev.

Unless the west resorts to nuclear weapons, Russia will win.






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Monday, April 3, 2023 8:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

Equally threatening, but I'm not afraid. It may sound very Star Wars-ish or like something out of the movie Dune, but fear is the mind-killer.



You're afraid of everything MSNBC tells you to be afraid of, little bitch.

We've got it all documented right here.

6ix, you are only a pair of hands, a running mouth, and glands. That is an ugly appraisal, but your drinking and smoking prove it. Don't feel bad, 6ix, because all the Trumptards I know in Texas, except for the rich ones who only voted for Trump because he'd let them cheat on taxes and government regulations, are the same as you. Trumptards, except the rich, can't run their little lives worth a goddamn and Trumptards shouldn't get up-welling feelings of superiority that your judgment is any better on more complex problems such as what happens if Putin does conquer Ukraine. Your tiny Trumptard minds won't stretch enough to encompass such a problem.

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These glands had a nice nap today.

Sucks to be a wage slave like you, huh buddy?

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Monday, April 3, 2023 8:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Oh, heaven's sake, SECOND! SIX has more real-world talent in one pinky than you have in your entire body! Can you do plumbing? Fix a car? Wire a garage? Install a video cam? Program?

Can you manage a landscape? Fix framing? Set your relatives up with their tech gadgets? Plaster, spackle, or paint? Fix small engines?

If not, what good are you?

*****

Meanwhile... Russia captures Bakhmut city administration building. I'm a little off on my prediction. I said they would capture Bakhmut by end of March. Apparently my timeline is slipping a little.

Meanwhile, desperation fuels terrorist action. Like the assassinations of Daryana Dugina, or the previous assassinations of two Donbas commanders (when Kiev was getting it's ass handed to it) Kiev's SBU has apparently resorted to assassinating journalists.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Meanwhile... Russia captures Bakhmut city administration building. I'm a little off on my prediction. I said they would capture Bakhmut by end of March. Apparently my timeline is slipping a little.

Meanwhile, desperation fuels terrorist action. Like the assassinations of Daryana Dugina, or the previous assassinations of two Donbas commanders (when Kiev was getting it's ass handed to it) Kiev's SBU has apparently resorted to assassinating journalists.

Signym, you're crazy.

Russian authorities are blaming Ukrainian government entities and Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny for the April 2 assassination of Russian milblogger Maksim Fomin, also known as Vladlen Tartarsky. The Russian National Anti-Terrorism Committee claimed that Ukrainian special services collaborated with the Anti-Corruption Fund, which Navalny founded in 2011, to plan the attack against Fomin.[4] Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that the Ukrainian government may be behind Fomin’s death and claimed that Ukraine has killed others since 2014, such as Daria Dugina, which Peskov spuriously used as justification for the “special military operation.”[5] The Russian Investigative Committee reclassified the case as a terrorist attack and claimed that it was planned in Ukrainian territory.[6] The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) confirmed that the sculpture handed to Fomin prior to his death contained hidden explosives.[7] The Russian Investigative Committee confirmed on April 3 that Russian authorities detained Daria Trepova in a St. Petersburg apartment on suspicion of the attack.[8] Authorities released an excerpt of their interrogation of Trepova, in which Trepova stated that authorities questioned her about giving a sculpture to Fomin, but she did not answer on camera whether she knew the sculpture contained explosives.[9] The range of various official responses is notably disjointed, with a lack of consensus among official Russian sources regarding Trepova’s involvement or association with either Ukrainian special services or Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Fund.

Official Russian responses to Fomin’s death failed to generate a single narrative in the information space and led to disjointed responses from prominent pro-war voices. Several prominent milbloggers and news aggregators fixated on the reported investigation into Daria Trepova and analyzing footage of the lead-up to and aftermath of the explosion.[10] Other milbloggers claimed that the attack was carried out by Ukrainian special services and amplified news of the investigation without offering additional commentary into the situation.[11] The Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia posted a simple message mourning Fomin without engaging with the Kremlin's informational response.[12] Zaporizhia Oblast occupation deputy Vladimir Rogov claimed that unspecified attackers targeted Fomin because he listened to both the Russian and Ukrainian perspectives, had over 500,000 Telegram subscribers, and effectively organized donation drives for Russian forces.[13] Russian Orthodox Church head Patriarch Kirill connected Fomin’s murder to the ongoing conflict over the Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, despite no obvious connection between the two incidents.[14]

As Russian officials try to galvanize an official narrative around the National Anti-Terrorism Committee’s investigation, Russian milbloggers will likely increasingly criticize the results and conclusions of the investigation, and Fomin’s death is likely to become a major point of information space neuralgia. One Russian milblogger and political analyst overtly criticized the official Russian response to Fomin’s death and noted that Russian officials have likely predetermined the final findings of the investigation.[15] The absence of a coherent narrative in the pro-Russian information space is reminiscent of responses to Ukraine’s successful Kharkiv Oblast counteroffensive in fall 2022, when the Kremlin’s propaganda machine initially failed to define a rhetorical line to respond to massive Ukrainian gains and caused an information space breakdown that manifested in disjointed responses across the entire pro-war community.[16]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-april-3-2023


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Tuesday, April 4, 2023 8:55 PM

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A billion here, a billion there... pretty soon it adds up to real money.

Quote:

Another $2.6 Billion In Defense Aid To Ukraine


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-26-billion-defense-aid-
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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile... Russia captures Bakhmut city administration building. I'm a little off on my prediction. I said they would capture Bakhmut by end of March. Apparently my timeline is slipping a little.

Meanwhile, desperation fuels terrorist action. Like the assassinations of Daryana Dugina, or the previous assassinations of two Donbas commanders (when Kiev was getting it's ass handed to it) Kiev's SBU has apparently resorted to assassinating journalists.

SECOND: Signym, you're crazy.

Russian authorities are blaming Ukrainian government entities

Maybe
Quote:

and Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny
nope!

As usual, I get only one or two sentences into your posts before I stumble over something so blindingly stupid I have to stop.

Navalny is in prison, last I heard. I doubt he could organize anything.

You're a loser, troll.

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nope!

As usual, I get only one or two sentences into your posts before I stumble over something so blindingly stupid I have to stop.

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu justified Russia’s decision to deploy tactical nuclear weapons to Belarus by accusing NATO of intensifying combat training and reconnaissance activities near the Russian and Belarusian borders and accused the West of escalating the war in Ukraine by providing additional military aid to Ukraine on April 4.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-april-4-2023


Too long a sentence for you to finish reading, Signym? But there isn't even a comma to trip you up and confuse you. A shorter sentence might be just the right length for you to finish:

Shoigu’s reinvigorated nuclear blackmail rhetoric coincides with Finland joining NATO

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Finland just fucked itself.

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Finland just fucked itself.

Finland said the same thing when Stalin attacked it, twice, before WWII began: We are a small country. Where will we bury all the dead Russians?

History lesson: Little Finland brutally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Russians. They died screaming.

A Frozen Hell Quotes
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“The Soviet propaganda apparatus continued to crank out shrill, contorted documents attempting to convince whoever was listening that Finland was the real aggressor, that the Kuusinen government was legitimate, and the Mannerheim/Tanner/Ryti regime was enslaving the workers, etc.”
- William R. Trotter, A Frozen Hell: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940

“Incidents of Red aircraft strafing hospitals and hospital trains were so common that the Finns finally painted over any Red Cross insignia that were visible from the air.”
- William R. Trotter, A Frozen Hell: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940

“The Russians' wanton though often ineffectual attacks on civilians generated a wave of moral outrage all over the world. Typical was the reaction of former U.S. president Herbert Hoover, who denounced the Russian air attacks as a throwback to "the morals and butchery of Genghis Khan.”
- William R. Trotter, A Frozen Hell: The Russo-Finnish Winter War of 1939-1940

https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/489438-a-frozen-hell-the-russo-f
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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Finland just fucked itself.

Finland said the same thing when Stalin attacked it, twice, before WWII began: We are a small country. Where will we bury all the dead Russians?

History lesson: Little Finland brutally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Russians. They died screaming.



Nobody cares.

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