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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Monday, April 8, 2024 7:52 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Attack on Chasiv Yar begins with Russians in eastern district.
Quote:For seventy years in labored pursuit of a purblind and malignant Marxist-Leninist utopia, we have lost a full third of our population—lives yielded up to the executioner or squandered in the ineptly, almost suicidally waged “Patriotic War.”
Monday, April 8, 2024 7:53 AM
Quote:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn - Rebuilding Russia (1990) Time has finally run out for communism. But its concrete edifice has not yet crumbled. And we must take care not to be crushed beneath its rubble instead of gaining liberty. AT THE END OF OUR ENDURANCE Can there still be anyone among us who is unaware of our troubles, covered up though they are by mendacious statistics? For seventy years in labored pursuit of a purblind and malignant Marxist-Leninist utopia, we have lost a full third of our population—lives yielded up to the executioner or squandered in the ineptly, almost suicidally waged “Patriotic War.” We have forfeited our earlier abundance, destroyed the peasant class together with its settlements, deprived the raising of crops of its whole purpose and the soil of its ability to yield a harvest, while flooding the land with man-made seas and swamps. The environs of our cities are befouled by the effluents of our primitive industry, we have poisoned our rivers, lakes, and fish, and today we are obliterating our last resources of clean water, air, and soil, speeding the process by the addition of nuclear death, further supplemented by the storage of Western radioactive wastes for money. Depleting our natural wealth for the sake of grandiose future conquests under a crazed leadership, we have cut down our luxuriant forests and plundered our earth of its incomparable riches—the irreplaceable inheritance of our great-grandchildren—in order to sell them off abroad with uncaring hand. We have saddled our women with backbreaking, impossibly burdensome labor, torn them from their children, and have abandoned the children themselves to disease, brutishness, and a semblance of education. Our health care is utterly neglected, there are no medicines, and we have even forgotten the meaning of a proper diet. Millions lack housing, and a helplessness bred of the absence of personal rights permeates the entire country. And through-out all this we cling to only one thing: that we not be deprived of unlimited drunkenness. Human beings are so constituted that we can put up with such ruination and madness even when they last a lifetime, but God forbid that anyone should dare to offend or slight our nationality! Should that occur, nothing can restrain us in our state of chronic submission: with furious courage we snatch up stones, clubs, spears, and guns and fall upon our neighbors, intent on murder and arson. Such is man: nothing has the capacity to convince us that our hunger, our poverty, our early deaths, the degeneration of our children—that any of these misfortunes can take precedence over national pride. And that is why, in this attempt to propose some tentative steps toward our recovery and reconstruction, we are forced to begin, not with our unendurable wounds or debilitating suffering, but with a response to such questions as: How will the problem of the nationalities be approached? And within what geographical boundaries shall we heal our afflictions or die? And only thereafter shall we turn to the healing process itself.
Monday, April 8, 2024 10:29 AM
Monday, April 8, 2024 1:38 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: 'Dangerous Provocation': Kremlin Blasts Ukraine For Drone Strike On Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant The International Atomic Energy Agency is once again sounding the alarm over the potential that disaster could strike the Russian-controlled Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in southeastern Ukraine, which is the largest in Europe. On Sunday, for the first time since 2022, Ukraine apparently sent a drone against the facility and it struck one of the plant's six nuclear reactors. While Kiev has firmly denied it was behind the attack, Moscow has denounced it as a "very dangerous provocation" from Ukraine forces. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denounced it as "a very dangerous practice with very bad negative consequences." He said it's but the latest example of Kiev's "terrorist activity." "IAEA staff who are on site have had the opportunity to witness these attacks," Peskov added. Russian state-owned nuclear agency Rosatom reported casualties as a result of the strike, detailing that three people were wounded in the "unprecedented series of drone attacks."
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 6:43 AM
Quote:Introduction Ksenya Kiebuzinski and Alexander Motyl The Great West Ukrainian Prison Massacre of 1941: A Sourcebook is both a scholarly undertaking and a personal quest. While we hope to fill an important lacuna in the literature on Soviet mass killings in Ukraine, we have in part been motivated to do so by the fact that both of us had relatives who were murdered in what we call the Great West Ukrainian Prison Massacre of 1941. Although their tragic deaths may not endow us with perspicacity, they do endow an otherwise academic project with a clear moral dimension. The point of remembering Soviet atrocities, like the point of remembering all atrocities committed by criminal regimes, is not to dwell on the past, but to honor the dead and to hope that a better understanding of the mechanisms of mass murder will reduce the likelihood of its future occurrence. The horrible deaths experienced by our relatives, Father Ivan Kiebuz and Bohdan Hevko, are a reminder that all totalitarian regimes regard human life as expendable material in their fanatical pursuit of ideologically defined revolutionary goals. The Soviet regime has been especially inhumane toward Ukraine and Ukrainians - a fact that concerns us as human beings, as scholars, and as persons of Ukrainian descent. According to a study published by the Moscow-based Institute of Demography,' Ukraine suffered close to 15 million ‘excess deaths’ between 1914 and 1948. Of that number, about 7.5 million were attributable to Soviet policies and 6.5 million to Nazi policies. According to Nicolas Werth, meanwhile, the Stalinist regime killed some 12 million of its people.2 When we consider that over half of them were Ukrainian (far in excess of Ukrainians’ share of the total Soviet population), it is hard not to register outrage at this monstrous system’s hostility to its people in general and Ukrainians in particular.
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 7:09 AM
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 7:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: 'Dangerous Provocation': Kremlin Blasts Ukraine For Drone Strike On Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-provocation-kremlin-blasts-ukraine-drone-strike-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant
Quote: 'Dangerous Provocation': Kremlin Blasts Ukraine For Drone Strike On Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 5:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: 'Dangerous Provocation': Kremlin Blasts Ukraine For Drone Strike On Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dangerous-provocation-kremlin-blasts-ukraine-drone-strike-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant SECOND: The Russians did the same at the Nova Kakhovka dam.
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 5:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Bullshit. They controlled the dam. How would they benefit from ruining it? You're stupid.
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 6:20 PM
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 7:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You really expect me to accept the word of the European Parliament? That's called "Appeal to authority" and one of the things that people do when they can't come up with a single logical reason or piece of evidence for their stupid idea. And then you follow one stupid idea with another equally stupid one.
Tuesday, April 9, 2024 11:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You really expect me to accept the word of the European Parliament? That's called "Appeal to authority" and one of the things that people do when they can't come up with a single logical reason or piece of evidence for their stupid idea. And then you follow one stupid idea with another equally stupid one. SECOND: In all construction jobs I have [pretended to be] associated with, there have been numerous screwballs just like Signym who argue with the boss, contradict all reasonable ideas, throw up obstacles, complain bitterly, threaten to sue, sabotage the work, etc.
Wednesday, April 10, 2024 6:25 AM
Wednesday, April 10, 2024 6:32 AM
Wednesday, April 10, 2024 6:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And then you follow "appeal to authority" with extended name-calling! But you still haven't come up with an explanation why Russians would destroy the dam they controlled (or why they would blow up their own pipeline or shell the nuclear power plant they controlled) when it was not only unnecessary but might impede their future war plans. And you haven't come up with any evidence either. Son, I accept that there are certain theories and assumptions in chemistry and physics and engineering because they've been usefully applied repeatedly in the real world. You have yet to move your ideas into the real world, and so far all of your assumptions about Russia have led you to a failure to comprehend.
Wednesday, April 10, 2024 8:51 AM
Thursday, April 11, 2024 4:51 AM
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Friday, April 12, 2024 8:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, this has turned into a VERY unpopular thread, hasn't it?
Friday, April 12, 2024 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, this has turned into a VERY unpopular thread, hasn't it? SECOND: I'm pretty sure you, Putin... Trump don't or didn't understand how to win a war efficiently...
Friday, April 12, 2024 11:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, this has turned into a VERY unpopular thread, hasn't it? SECOND: I'm pretty sure you, Putin... Trump don't or didn't understand how to win a war efficiently... Seems like your whole issue with Russians is that they DO know how to wage war efficiently, which means destroying the opposing army without taking huge losses yourself. Seems like they learned from WWII after all. One big lesson: don't fight on your own territory.
Friday, April 12, 2024 11:57 AM
Friday, April 12, 2024 1:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, this has turned into a VERY unpopular thread, hasn't it? SECOND: I'm pretty sure you, Putin... Trump don't or didn't understand how to win a war efficiently... SIGNY: Seems like your whole issue with Russians is that they DO know how to wage war efficiently, which means destroying the opposing army without taking huge losses yourself. Seems like they learned from WWII after all. One big lesson: don't fight on your own territory. SECOND: With tens of millions of dead Russian soldiers, Russia did NOT know how to win WWII.
Friday, April 12, 2024 2:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But this is not WWII, is it? And Russia is not the Soviet Union and Putin is not Stalin. Do try to keep up!
Quote:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote in Rebuilding Russia (1990): Time has finally run out for communism. But its concrete edifice has not yet crumbled. And we must take care not to be crushed beneath its rubble instead of gaining liberty. AT THE END OF OUR ENDURANCE Can there still be anyone among us who is unaware of our troubles, covered up though they are by mendacious statistics? For seventy years in labored pursuit of a purblind and malignant Marxist-Leninist utopia, we have lost a full third of our population—lives yielded up to the executioner or squandered in the ineptly, almost suicidally waged “Patriotic War.” We have forfeited our earlier abundance, destroyed the peasant class together with its settlements, deprived the raising of crops of its whole purpose and the soil of its ability to yield a harvest, while flooding the land with man-made seas and swamps. The environs of our cities are befouled by the effluents of our primitive industry, we have poisoned our rivers, lakes, and fish, and today we are obliterating our last resources of clean water, air, and soil, speeding the process by the addition of nuclear death, further supplemented by the storage of Western radioactive wastes for money. Depleting our natural wealth for the sake of grandiose future conquests under a crazed leadership, we have cut down our luxuriant forests and plundered our earth of its incomparable riches—the irreplaceable inheritance of our great-grandchildren—in order to sell them off abroad with uncaring hand. We have saddled our women with backbreaking, impossibly burdensome labor, torn them from their children, and have abandoned the children themselves to disease, brutishness, and a semblance of education. Our health care is utterly neglected, there are no medicines, and we have even forgotten the meaning of a proper diet. Millions lack housing, and a helplessness bred of the absence of personal rights permeates the entire country. And through-out all this we cling to only one thing: that we not be deprived of unlimited drunkenness. Human beings are so constituted that we can put up with such ruination and madness even when they last a lifetime, but God forbid that anyone should dare to offend or slight our nationality! Should that occur, nothing can restrain us in our state of chronic submission: with furious courage we snatch up stones, clubs, spears, and guns and fall upon our neighbors, intent on murder and arson. Such is man: nothing has the capacity to convince us that our hunger, our poverty, our early deaths, the degeneration of our children—that any of these misfortunes can take precedence over national pride. And that is why, in this attempt to propose some tentative steps toward our recovery and reconstruction, we are forced to begin, not with our unendurable wounds or debilitating suffering, but with a response to such questions as: How will the problem of the nationalities be approached? And within what geographical boundaries shall we heal our afflictions or die? And only thereafter shall we turn to the healing process itself.
Friday, April 12, 2024 2:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But this is not WWII, is it? And Russia is not the Soviet Union and Putin is not Stalin. Do try to keep up! SECOND: Signym, Putin says this is a continuation of past wars, both hot and cold wars. You could claim he doesn't know Russia like you know it, but you'd be nutty.
Saturday, April 13, 2024 7:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There is WHY one wages war ... in Russia's case, a continuation of defense against continued western aggression... And there is HOW one wages war. I see you've conflated the two with your usual scrambled narrative. You, personally, are a reflection of the bizarre mess that's overtaken current western political class. They are leading us to failure, and you're urging them on. Speaking of "ruination and madness".
Saturday, April 13, 2024 8:06 AM
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Monday, April 15, 2024 12:28 AM
Monday, April 15, 2024 1:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There is WHY one wages war ... in Russia's case, a continuation of defense against continued western aggression... And there is HOW one wages war. I see you've conflated the two with your usual scrambled narrative. You, personally, are a reflection of the bizarre mess that's overtaken current western political class. They are leading us to failure, and you're urging them on. Speaking of "ruination and madness". SECOND Good heavens! You have absorbed Putin's viewpoint and made it your own. If you threw in a couple of references to Satan ruling over the West and the EU specifically run by Nazis, you be perfect, Signym.
Monday, April 15, 2024 6:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what is the $$ for? My guess is "payoffs".
Monday, April 15, 2024 6:40 AM
Monday, April 15, 2024 11:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what is the $$ for? My guess is "payoffs". SECOND: SECOND, on repeating deep state propaganda.
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 7:13 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And then you cavil that nobody but you understands "How the world works"? Son, you're so confused NOBODY should use you as an example of how to think, much less be a human being.
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 7:14 AM
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 11:55 AM
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 12:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And then you cavil that nobody but you understands "How the world works"? Son, you're so confused NOBODY should use you as an example of how to think, much less be a human being. SECOND: BLAH BLAH BLAH about irrelevant stuff....
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what is the $$ for? My guess is "payoffs". SECOND: SECOND, on repeating deep state propaganda. SIGNY: Since neither you nor the video were unable to ANSWER THE QUESTION, I fixed your post for you. And I'll ask it again: What IS the money for??? Is there a secret stash of weapons we don't know about, just waiting for some big bucks to unlock it? If there is, let us know. And if not ...??? ***** Here's another question you failed to answer What was the Russian military doing from 1990 to 2014? Meanwhile, what was NATO doing? These are foundational questions to our foreign policy, and Russia's. You avoid them like a plague, and you try to get others to avoid thinking about them too, by throwing up a shitstorm of propaganda that even YOU admit you don't think about.
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 7:46 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And then you cavil that nobody but you understands "How the world works"? Son, you're so confused NOBODY should use you as an example of how to think, much less be a human being. SECOND: BLAH BLAH BLAH about irrelevant stuff.... I noticed you trying to drag the thread off course with your usual shitstorm of pointless distractions. But you still haven't answered the foundational questions Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, what is the $$ for? My guess is "payoffs". SECOND: SECOND, on repeating deep state propaganda. SIGNY: Since neither you nor the video were unable to ANSWER THE QUESTION, I fixed your post for you. And I'll ask it again: What IS the money for??? Is there a secret stash of weapons we don't know about, just waiting for some big bucks to unlock it? If there is, let us know. And if not ...??? ***** Here's another question you failed to answer What was the Russian military doing from 1990 to 2014? Meanwhile, what was NATO doing? These are foundational questions to our foreign policy, and Russia's. You avoid them like a plague, and you try to get others to avoid thinking about them too, by throwing up a shitstorm of propaganda that even YOU admit you don't think about. ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time." Or, any verification or thought.
Tuesday, April 16, 2024 8:07 PM
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Wednesday, April 17, 2024 12:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR: A) It's bullshit. B) By ignoring the YEARS I asked about, you managed to (clumsily) avoid the question. SECOND: Bullshit. Again.
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 1:22 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:34 AM
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 5:42 AM
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 12:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR: A) It's bullshit. B) By ignoring the YEARS I asked about, you managed to (clumsily) avoid the question. SECOND: Bullshit. Again.
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 2:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: America’s Stark Choice in Ukraine and the Cost of Letting Russia Win By Fredrick W. Kagan | April 16, 2024 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/america%E2%80%99s-stark-choice-ukraine-and-cost-letting-russia-win The current US debate about providing additional military assistance to Ukraine is based in part on the assumption that the war will remain stalemated regardless of US actions. That assumption is false.[1] The Russians are breaking out of positional warfare and beginning to restore maneuver to the battlefield because of the delays in the provision of US military assistance to Ukraine. Ukraine cannot hold the present lines now without the rapid resumption of US assistance, particularly air defense and artillery that only the US can provide rapidly and at scale.[2] . . . The bottom line is very clear. An independent Ukraine with a strong military and a pro-Western government will make a Russian attack on NATO much more difficult, risky, and costly for Moscow. An independent and strong Ukraine will thus help NATO deter such a Russian attack and defeat it if deterrence fails. A victorious Russia that succeeds in its aim of destroying Ukraine entirely, on the other hand, will pose a major conventional military threat to NATO in a relatively short period of time. It will be much harder to deter future Russian aggression and both more difficult and far more costly to defeat it if deterrence fails. The choice before the US today is thus stark, but the answer is clear. American interests now and in the future are served far better by resuming aid to Ukraine now than by allowing Russia to win. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 6:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A) It's bullshit. B) By ignoring the YEARS I asked about, you managed to (clumsily) avoid the question. THUGR: So you know comrade signym. If you ask a question that is designed to change a topic or to just deflect away from facts that are posted, or waste someone's time, you should expect it to go unanswered. .... That said, I have no idea what question you are talking about.
Quote: And what I've posted about Russia's' behavior is pure fact
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 11:16 PM
Wednesday, April 17, 2024 11:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A) It's bullshit. B) By ignoring the YEARS I asked about, you managed to (clumsily) avoid the question. THUGR: So you know comrade signym. If you ask a question that is designed to change a topic or to just deflect away from facts that are posted, or waste someone's time, you should expect it to go unanswered. .... That said, I have no idea what question you are talking about. T So .... you DON'T KNOW what question I'm referring to, but you won't answer it anyway??? Quote: And what I've posted about Russia's' behavior is pure fact And this is where I call bullshit. I watch Military Summary Channel almost every day, twice a day. Dima is NOT pro- Russian - if anything he's pro-Ukrainian - but one thing he insists on is VIDEO EVIDENCE. Russians will double tap Ukrainian soldiers all day long! They will bomb military positions and then drone -strike vehicles that are evacuating wounded or even just retreating soldiers. But I have NEVER seen video evidence of civilians being double - tapped. And if Kiev had video evidence, don't you think they'd splash it all over Telegram and elsewhere? Maybe one of the confusions is that AFU establishes military positions in civilian structures, using those old durable Soviet high rises for communication/ radar/ drone operators and anti- tank positions; hotels as control centers etc. Dima has always been careful to establish which kinds of positions are being struck. When they're civilian he says so. When they're occupied by military forces, he says so. BTW, I don't condone attacks on civilians by either side. But I think it's entirely fair that Kiev attack Russian refineries, just as Russia attacks Ukrainian refineries (and power stations) because they support the war effort. Also, FYI MOST of Ukraine's electricity is produced by nuclear power plants (NPPs), not Thermal or hydro power plants (TPPs, HPPs). IIRC peak demand before the war was about 10.5GW, NPPs produced about 7.5GW of the total. Russia refuses to bomb NPPs. However, they CAN bomb the substations and lines that distribute that electricity, so altho the plants are still operational they don't do anybody any good. Just reporting facts as I know them. Feel free to correct me if you have evidence (not allegations) that I'm wrong.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: A) It's bullshit. B) By ignoring the YEARS I asked about, you managed to (clumsily) avoid the question. THUGR: So you know comrade signym. If you ask a question that is designed to change a topic or to just deflect away from facts that are posted, or waste someone's time, you should expect it to go unanswered. .... That said, I have no idea what question you are talking about. T
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