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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Friday, November 10, 2023 5:59 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, November 10, 2023 6:21 AM
Friday, November 10, 2023 6:48 AM
Friday, November 10, 2023 6:51 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I think these Russian milbloggers - assuming that they're actually Russian - don't take their MoD stated goals seriously. They make the same mistake that Dima (Military Summary Channel) makes: they interpret everything in terms of territory taken or lost. There`s a reason why the MoD recounts a list of Ukrainian losses every day on every active part of the front, and NOT meters gained or lost: they're trying to reduce the Ukrainian military, NOT take territory. Once the Kiev army collapses, the Russian army can roll thru as much of Ukraine as they want, almost without opposition. At the moment Russians are pushing on most of the front because the Ukrainian army has gone mostly on defense. It's almost like a cat pawing a mouse to make it run some more. Ugly and brutal, but nobody ever said war was was fun, especially when your side is doing most of the dying.
Friday, November 10, 2023 7:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Putin’s New Story About the War in Ukraine How Russian Propaganda Went From “Denazification” to Fighting the West By Mikhail Zygar | November 10,
Saturday, November 11, 2023 7:40 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by second: Putin’s New Story About the War in Ukraine How Russian Propaganda Went From “Denazification” to Fighting the West By Mikhail Zygar | November 10, Yanno, if I'm trying to convince you that blue is brown, or that something isn't happeing when it is, and you're an "educated" crowd, i may have to spend pages and pages torturing logic to convince you. But I don't have to spend pages and pages on tortured logic about this. If this war was just a case of Russia v Ukraine that would be one story. But since the west has gone "all in" - until now, when we ran out of weapons and money- it's obvious to everyone except the most dunderheaded that it's now The Collective West v Russia. The story has chnaged bc the facts on the ground have changed. "WE" that is, the collective west, have moved closer and closer to a state of open warfare with Russia. Capisce?
Saturday, November 11, 2023 7:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So it doesn't get lost in SECOND'S blizzard of shit.
Saturday, November 11, 2023 7:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Capisce?
Saturday, November 11, 2023 8:36 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, November 11, 2023 9:20 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Zelensky is a dead man walking. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Saturday, November 11, 2023 11:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Zelensky is a dead man walking. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Sunday, November 12, 2023 6:55 AM
Sunday, November 12, 2023 10:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Russian opposition outlet Meduza discredited the Kremlin narrative that falsely accuses Ukrainian authorities of trafficking organs from military personnel on the black market.[68] Kremlin-affiliated actors, such as Adviser to the Russian Minister of Internal Affairs Vladimir Ovchinsky, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova, and Russian State Duma Deputy Speaker Anna Kuznetsova, have recently promoted this narrative.[69] Meduza explained that Russian narratives that Ukraine transports organs to NATO countries, such as Turkey, via ground transportation is improbable as the route from Odesa City to Istanbul alone is 17 hours – much longer than most organs can survive outside of the body.[70] Meduza also noted that Ukraine’s healthcare system lacks doctors who can perform mass organ removals and that Ukrainian law dictates that military personnel and civilians who die in hostilities cannot be organ donors. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-11-2023 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, November 13, 2023 7:59 AM
Monday, November 13, 2023 9:19 AM
Monday, November 13, 2023 12:23 PM
Monday, November 13, 2023 6:22 PM
Monday, November 13, 2023 6:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: A guest on Russian state television program was slapped down by the show's host after saying that Moscow had far less to offer those living in occupied regions of Ukraine than the EU.
Monday, November 13, 2023 8:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, I personally think that whatever is left of Ukraine should become an albatross around the EU's economic neck. Let's see the EU reconstruct it.
Monday, November 13, 2023 8:57 PM
Quote:Introduction to War and Punishment (2023) This book is a confession. I am guilty for not reading the signs much earlier. I, too, am responsible for Russia’s war against Ukraine. As are my contemporaries and our forebears. Regrettably, Russian culture is also to blame for making all these horrors possible. Many Russian writers and historians are complicit in facilitating this war. It is their words and thoughts over the past 350 years that sowed the seeds of Russian fascism and allowed it to flourish, although many would be horrified today to see the fruits of their labor. We failed to spot just how deadly the very idea of Russia as a “great empire” was. (Of course, any “empire” is evil, but let different historians judge other empires.) We overlooked the fact that, for many centuries, “great Russian culture” belittled other countries and peoples, suppressed and destroyed them. So that Russian culture may live on, we must act. We must start by looking inside ourselves and telling the truth about our past and our present. Russian, Ukrainian, and indeed any history is made up of myths. Alas, our myths led us to the fascism of 2022. It is time to expose them. This book is about myths and about people. People who lived one hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago, and then turned into mythological figures. They died physically; then historians stripped away their human qualities: their weaknesses, their passions, their doubts, their true motives. They were subjected to the inexorable “logic of history,” which serves the needs of those in power.
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 6:42 AM
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 6:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, I personally think that whatever is left of Ukraine should become an albatross around the EU's economic neck. Let's see the EU reconstruct it. Is that "albatross" the EU cleaning up the destruction left by the Russians after they withdraw from Ukraine? The Russians are soreheads and poor losers. Can't expect Russians to clean up anything. Their strength is in stealing, killing civilians, destroying property, and lying about history. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:01 AM
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 7:15 AM
Quote: Is Zelensky Being Prepped to Join the Friends of the U.S. Club? If you have any doubts that Ukraine’s President Zelensky is expendable if Joe Biden decides to change course, just take a gander at the following photo essay. When the CIA Director comes for a visit it is time to check your six (i.e., military slang for seeing if anyone is sneaking up on you from behind). Here is one of my favorites. During the 1980s the Reagan Administration was supplying arms and military technology to both Iran and Iraq, who were engaged in a brutal war. With friends like Washington, who needs enemies. No wonder Saddam thought he could invade Kuwait and the United States would not care. How about Muammar Gaddafi getting the old bamboozle from Barack Obama? Are you picking up a theme here? It does not matter if it is a Republican or Democrat, once a foreign leader is no longer useful to the United States, he gets bent over the log like Ned Beatty in Deliverance and learns the “joy” of buggery. Henry Kissinger was not bullshitting when he quipped: “it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” Looks like Volodomyr Zelensky is going to learn that truth over the coming weeks. If he survives to see the New Year it will be a miracle. One critical point I failed to make in yesterday’s article regarding the competing narratives regarding Zelensky and General Zalushny — it looks like the Brits are backing Zalushny while the CIA is trying to save Zelensky and dump Zalushny. I base that conclusion on the fact that the Economist, a British publication with close ties to MI-6, gave Zalushny the celebrity treatment, while the Washington Post, the go-to rag for the CIA, blamed Zalushny for Nord Stream. Simplicius the Thinker has another great piece out regarding this modern version of Game of Thrones now underway in Kiev. Worth your time.
Quote: From Rezident_UA channel: " Ukrainian sources write that Andriy Ermak will allegedly try to coordinate with the Biden Administration the replacement of the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny, who is not satisfied with the Office of the President. It was Zaluzhny who refused to begin the second stage of the counter-offensive with crossing the Dnieper and proposed to go on the defensive instead of offensive actions." So Yermak/Zelensky are trying to coordinate with Biden [Yermak, Zelensky's money man, recently traveled to Washington] to get rid of Zaluzhny, while other forces coordinate with Zaluzhny to boot Zelensky? In fact the drama and intrigue is coming to such a boil as to reach levels of absurdity most of us have never seen. A People’s Deputy in the Ukrainian Rada, Oleksandr Dubinsky—who happens to be in a major quarrel with the above Mosiychuk, as well—released this statement today on his official social media accounts. He openly calls Yermak “the real president of Ukraine,” begging Tucker Carlson to intervene, and even confirms yesterday’s wild theory that Zelensky is trying to contact Trump in order to get him to “unblock” Ukrainian aid via the Republican party which Trump is perceived to control: "I am publicly addressing journalist Tucker Carlson, who will not be afraid to cover the topic of political persecution of the only politician and former journalist in Ukraine, who openly spoke about corruption of the country’s senior officials and the facts of theft of US financial assistance through the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, in which deputies of the Servant of the People Party and officials of the Office of the President are involved. Now the real president of Ukraine named Yermak is in the United States trying to convince the American government that there is no corruption in Ukraine, and to blame the theft committed by him and those from his circle on the scheming of “Kremlin agents.” He is also trying to arrange a telephone conversation between Zelensky and Trump in order to gain support in Congress for aid to Ukraine, which he and Zelensky are plundering. I am the only one talking about this corruption, which is supported by numerous facts and journalistic investigations, and it is for this that they want to put me in jail on yet another trumped-up charges. By joining our forces, we will be able to reveal to the world the truth about the gang of swindlers who captured Ukraine. Reveal the Ugly Truth that Yermak and Zelensky and their associates are trying to hide." And low and behold, now there’s a treason case against Dubinsky who was raided by the SBU.
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 1:05 PM
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:08 PM
Quote: Andriy Yermak In this name that follows Eastern Slavic naming conventions, the patronymic is Borysovych and the family name is Yermak. Andriy Borysovych Yermak (Ukrainian: ?????? ????????? ?????; born 21 November 1971)[2] is a Ukrainian film producer, lawyer and the Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy appointed him on 11 February 2020.[1] He is also a member of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, as well as the chairman of the Coordination Headquarters for Humanitarian and Social Affairs.
Quote: For instance, many believe that Andriy Yermak, Zelensky’s head of the presidential office, is the man who really runs the country and was responsible for the “hit” on Zaluzhny’s aide. Yermak is the ‘gray eminence’ always shadowing Zelensky, who cowers before him like a chastened student. Many will remember the infamous video that made it clear who tucks whom into bed:
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:33 PM
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 2:39 PM
Quote: Ukraine's Fate Will Be Decided In Coming Year, Top Zelensky Aide Admits Tuesday, Nov 14, 2023 - 11:20 AM In surprisingly blunt words, a top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has warned that the coming year will essentially decide the fate of Ukraine and its war with Russia. "A turning point in the war is approaching," Andrii Yermak, who serves as chief of staff for the Office of the President of Ukraine, said Monday. "The next year will be decisive in this regard." He issued the words while appealing for more urgent aid from Washington in an address to the hawkish DC-based Hudson Institute think tank. Yermak sought to assure the audience that Zelensky has "a clear plan" forward even as Western media has by and large soured on Kiev's prospects for success. Much of this is about Zelensky sending envoys to do damage control in Washington at a moment the US administration's focus is off Ukraine and on Gaza events instead.
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 3:14 PM
Tuesday, November 14, 2023 5:26 PM
Quote: Much of the Ukrainian conflict has its closest comparison in the Normandy campaign of World War 2, just after the famed D-Day landings. The Normandy region is known as ‘hedgerow country’, populated with an endless sprawl of fields and pastures called bocages.
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Unlike Ukraine, Russia doesn't use cluster munitions altho it has them. They use thermobaric weapons instead, possibly even more deadly but at least there are no unexploded munitions laying around for their own soldiers to stumble over should they advance into Ukrainian held territory.
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 9:49 AM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Ukrainians have taken back half the land Russia took. And they for sure can shoot straight. As for using cluster bombs, they are using them on their own soil. And yes, Russia has used them in Ukraine. Along with other illegal munitions. Like thermobaric bomb (also called a vacuum or aerosol bomb - or fuel air explosive) T
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 10:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Ukrainians have taken back half the land Russia took. And they for sure can shoot straight. As for using cluster bombs, they are using them on their own soil. And yes, Russia has used them in Ukraine. Along with other illegal munitions. Like thermobaric bomb (also called a vacuum or aerosol bomb - or fuel air explosive) The Russians are getting their asses kicked. T
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:24 AM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Ukrainians have taken back half the land Russia took. And they for sure can shoot straight. As for using cluster bombs, they are using them on their own soil. And yes, Russia has used them in Ukraine. Along with other illegal munitions. Like thermobaric bomb (also called a vacuum or aerosol bomb - or fuel air explosive) The Russians are getting their asses kicked. T
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 4:48 PM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 4:52 PM
Quote: HOW THE United States and Its NATO Allies Sabotaged Peace Between Russia and Ukraine 14 November 2023 by Larry Johnson We now know that the United States played the primary role in sabotaging the March 29, 2022 tentative peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine thanks to the recently published article by Hajo Funke and Harald Kujat, HOW THE CHANCE WAS LOST FOR A PEACE SETTLEMENT OF THE UKRAINE WAR — AND THE WEST WANTED TO CONTINUE THE WAR INSTEAD. The United States persuaded its NATO allies that pursuing the war against Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy, offered a legitimate opportunity to destroy Russia. You want a definition of evil? This is it. Instead of helping end the war between Russia and Ukraine, the United States and its NATO puppets condemned hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers to death in a war with Russia they could not win. In the course of strong arming Ukraine’s Zelensky into rejecting the peace agreement, the West prepared and launched a propaganda campaign that claimed that Ukrainian military forces defeated the Russian forces and compelled them to retreat. It was a lie. As you will read in the timeline below, Putin ordered the withdrawal of Russian forces starting on April 1, 2022 as a good faith gesture about Russia’s seriousness in complying with the 29 March Istanbul Agreement.
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 5:18 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: HOW THE United States and Its NATO Allies Sabotaged Peace Between Russia and Ukraine 14 November 2023 by Larry Johnson We now know that the United States played the primary role in sabotaging the March 29, 2022 tentative peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine thanks to the recently published article by Hajo Funke and Harald Kujat, HOW THE CHANCE WAS LOST FOR A PEACE SETTLEMENT OF THE UKRAINE WAR — AND THE WEST WANTED TO CONTINUE THE WAR INSTEAD. The United States persuaded its NATO allies that pursuing the war against Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy, offered a legitimate opportunity to destroy Russia. You want a definition of evil? This is it. Instead of helping end the war between Russia and Ukraine, the United States and its NATO puppets condemned hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers to death in a war with Russia they could not win. In the course of strong arming Ukraine’s Zelensky into rejecting the peace agreement, the West prepared and launched a propaganda campaign that claimed that Ukrainian military forces defeated the Russian forces and compelled them to retreat. It was a lie. As you will read in the timeline below, Putin ordered the withdrawal of Russian forces starting on April 1, 2022 as a good faith gesture about Russia’s seriousness in complying with the 29 March Istanbul Agreement. So now we know what happened to the cease fire agreement between Ukraine and Russia: Same thing that happened to the Grain Deal and Minsk I and Minsk 2
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 5:25 PM
Quote: March 15-19, 2022 — Only a month after the outbreak of the war, Ukraine and Russia agreed on the broad outlines of a peace settlement. Ukraine promised not to join NATO and not to allow military bases of foreign powers on its territory, while Russia promised in return to recognize Ukraine’s territorial integrity and to withdraw all Russian occupation troops. Special arrangements were made for the Donbas and Crimea.” March 24, 2022 — NATO decided at a special summit on March 24, 2022, not to support these peace negotiations. March 27, 2022 — Zelensky defended the results of the Ukrainian-Russian peace negotiations in public before Russian journalists March 28, 2022 — Putin, as a sign of goodwill and in support of the peace negotiations, declared readiness to withdraw troops from the Kharkov area and the Kiev area 29 March, 2002 — Turkiye’s President Erdogan hosted a Ukrainian-Russian peace conference in Istanbul and an armistice agreement was approved in principle. April 1, 2022 — Putin orders Russian troops to initiate withdrawal from Kiev and Kharkiv in show of good faith in accordance with the armistice agreed to in Istanbul. April 5, 2022 — NATO was firm in its position that continuing the war is preferred to a cease-fire and negotiated settlement: “For some in NATO, it’s better for Ukrainians to keep fighting and dying than to achieve a peace that comes too soon or at too high a price for Kiev and the rest of Europe.” April 6, 2022 — Russia completes withdrawal from Kiev suburbs and Kharkiv. April 9, 2022 — Boris Johnson arrived unannounced in Kiev and told the Ukrainian president that the West was not ready to end the war. April 25, 2022 — U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said the U.S. wants to use the opportunity to permanently weaken Russia militarily and economically in the wake of the Ukraine war. April 26, 2022 — Meeting with defense ministers from NATO members and other countries convened by Austin in Ramstein, Rhineland-Palatinate/ Germany, the Pentagon chief declared the military victory of Ukraine as a strategic goal. April 28, 2022 — According to Britain’s Guardian, PM Johnson “instructed” Ukrainian President Zelensky “not to make any concessions to Putin.”
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 5:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The Zelenskiy regime banned opposition parties, banned the Russian Orthodox Church (and stole their assets), jailed a critic for "treason", is pilfering hundreds of thousands of dollars from military and monetary aid, and is dragooning men off the streets. So, you take the word of a lying, corrupt, undemocratic regime (Zelenskiy) for anything?
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 5:56 PM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 6:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Oh, PLENTY of primary sources, THUGR. Yanno, from Ukraine announcements and everything. But you won't bother to look at them so why should I bother to post them?
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 7:10 PM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 8:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I have no idea what your point is. If the Ukrainian parliament says they've banned opposition political parties, should I disbelieve that opposition political parties have banned?
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 9:08 PM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 9:14 PM
Wednesday, November 15, 2023 9:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I have no idea what your point is. If the Ukrainian parliament says they've banned opposition political parties, should I disbelieve that opposition political parties have banned?
Thursday, November 16, 2023 6:48 AM
Thursday, November 16, 2023 7:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Recent Russian opinion polls indicate that roughly half of Russians maintain support for the war in Ukraine and for Russia to engage in peace negotiations.
Quote: The Levada Center – an independent Russian polling organization
Quote:– reported on October 31 that 55 percent of respondents to a recent poll believe that Russia should begin peace negotiations while 38 percent favor continuing to conduct the war.
Quote: The Levada Center observed that while these numbers
Quote: slightly increased between September and October by four percent, they have largely remained consistent since July 2023.[14] The Levada Center added that support for Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine remained high with 76 percent of respondents stating that they support Russian military operations in Ukraine. The Levada Center reported that 62 percent of surveyed Russians believe that the full-scale invasion is progressing well, while 21 percent of respondents believe that the war is going reasonably or very poorly for Russia.[15]
Quote: The Levada Center reported on November 14 that two-thirds of respondents believe that Russia is headged in the right direction and of those who believe the opposite,
Quote: 45 percent (of... 10%?) cited the war in Ukraine.[16] Opposition-leaning Russian research organization Russian Field reported similar numbers supporting negotiations on November 15, noting that 48 percent of respondents said that Russia should engage in peace negotiations and that 74 percent would support Russian President Vladimir Putin if he signed a peace agreement “tomorrow.”[17] Russian Field stated that 36 percent of respondents believe that the war is going well for Russia whereas 25 percent believe that the war is going poorly for Russia and that respondents who trust Telegram channels are twice as likely to believe that the war is going poorly for Russia as those who rely on Russian television.[18] https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-15-2023
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