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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thursday, September 28, 2023 2:12 AM
SECOND
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, $37 billion per year. Compared to about $800 billion per year for DoD. Once again looking at the cockroach and ignoring the gorrilla. So, quickly doing the math here ... If we reduced the DoD budget by 90%, that would fund the energy bill and leave ... $683 billion in saved money per year. Given that we're spending $800 billion per year to waste money, energy, resources, and lives, and only spending $37 billion per year for climate change reduction... where are Congressional/deep state/media priorities? Stop wasting everyone's time with ludicrous propaganda.
Thursday, September 28, 2023 3:22 AM
SIGNYM
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Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, $37 billion per year. Compared to about $800 billion per year for DoD. Once again looking at the cockroach and ignoring the gorrilla. So, quickly doing the math here ... If we reduced the DoD budget by 90%, that would fund the energy bill and leave ... $683 billion in saved money per year. Given that we're spending $800 billion per year to waste money, energy, resources, and lives, and only spending $37 billion per year for climate change reduction... where are Congressional/deep state/media priorities? Stop wasting everyone's time with ludicrous propaganda. SECOND: Going by what the CDC writes and what I saw on construction projects, alcohol costs the US about $800 billion per year. Is America about to stop drinking to save all that money? Will the money saved then go to prevent climate change? Will cutting defense spending increase spending on climate change? I think not for all three questions. Think of all the workers in breweries, distilleries, vineyards, and defense factories losing their jobs. Think of the unemployed beer truck drivers with no destination for their empty trucks! Congress won't let that happen to American workers. Excessive Drinking is Draining the U.S. Economy https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-drinking.html
Thursday, September 28, 2023 3:33 AM
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Thursday, September 28, 2023 2:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The article is behind a paywall, so I can't tell. But considering I question FP's basic honesty and integrity, I'm not sure that it matters, because I don't trust them to tell me the truth about pretty much anything.
Thursday, September 28, 2023 4:50 PM
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Friday, September 29, 2023 4:10 AM
Friday, September 29, 2023 7:52 AM
Friday, September 29, 2023 9:20 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, back on-topic: Lavrov rejected the land-for-freeze concept, and he rejected it in the UN. The Speaker for the lower House of the Russian Parliament said that Ukraine's choices are either surrender or be destroyed. Several comments by Russian officials (including Shoigu) hint that Odessa and Kiev are targets. Zelensky's trip to DC was a quiet failure. His trip to Canada was an international Nazi embarassment. And on his return trip through Poland he was not met with a single Polish government official. He has turned from celebrity to pariah, bc everyone knows the "counteroffensive" ... Ukraine's last big throw... was a bust. Kiev was presented with a lengthy list of difficult reforms on impossible deadlines by the USA govt, or face a cutoff. AHEM! Everyone expects a Russian offensive some time soon, since the army will be entirely trained up by early next year. Before that begins, expect an intense missile, rocket, drone and artillery attack on any possible offensive or defensive sites. Ukraine might have all of the USA's ISR available, but if they can't do shit to stop the Russian advance, all the ISR in the world isn't going to help. And, mostly, you should have seen this coming. Maybe YOU don't have a grasp on reality, but reality has a grasp on you
Friday, September 29, 2023 11:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, let's pretend that the interventionists to outright rabid neocons haven't been in control in a straight line from Bill Clinton thru Joe Biden*. Hillary Clinton? A psychopath. Trump couldn't control them, and they've been smearing and sniping him ever since. Oh, yeah, and let's not forget international grift and many hands dipping into slush funds (eg "rebuilding" Iraq and Afghanistan with pallets of unaudited money, selling protection to Burisma, churning the MICC complex etc). USA foreign policy isn't "complicated". It's a clusterfuck of psychopathy, delusion, corruption, greed, treason, and arrogance.
Friday, September 29, 2023 12:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, let's pretend that the interventionists to outright rabid neocons haven't been in control in a straight line from Bill Clinton thru Joe Biden*. Hillary Clinton? A psychopath. Trump couldn't control them, and they've been smearing and sniping him ever since. Oh, yeah, and let's not forget international grift and many hands dipping into slush funds (eg "rebuilding" Iraq and Afghanistan with pallets of unaudited money, selling protection to Burisma, churning the MICC complex etc). USA foreign policy isn't "complicated". It's a clusterfuck of psychopathy, delusion, corruption, greed, treason, and arrogance. SCEOND: Signym, you have the key attributes of both styles of Non-Internationalism, making you special:
Quote: Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors: • Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy
Quote: • Are critical of alliances and disdainful of U.S. allies, particularly in Europe, and believe efforts to cooperate through international institutions are naive and self-defeating
Quote: • Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms
Quote: • Emphasize economic protectionism and closed borders to prevent others from “ripping America off”
Quote:• Believe the United States is militarily overcommitted but support occasional limited military actions to “act tough” and demonstrate U.S. prowess
Quote: Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Restrainers: • Are distrustful of U.S. power and influence in the international system and believe that the United States has no standing to promote democratic values or a rules-based order, given its own flawed democracy, hypocrisy, and imperialism
Quote: • Believe the United States has picked unnecessary fights with adversaries and that its overseas military posture, alliances, and sanctions policies are often overly provocative
Quote: • Are wary of “inflating” threats posed by China and Russia and favor diplomatic efforts to cooperate with adversaries and reach a mutual accommodation and view a nationalistic foreign policy as arrogant and distasteful
Quote: • Seek to reduce the U.S. military presence overseas and to scale back commitments to NATO and other alliances and vigorously oppose the use of force
Friday, September 29, 2023 12:56 PM
Friday, September 29, 2023 1:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: • Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms "International norms" seems to be the right of the USA to regime-change or destroy any nation it doesn't like, and the inability of any other nation or group of nations to do jack shit about it. When we've "intervened" on an average of nine times a year for the past 30 years, that's an "international norm" we could do without.
Friday, September 29, 2023 2:14 PM
Friday, September 29, 2023 2:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: • Seek to “make deals” with autocratic regimes and are dismissive of democratic values and international norms "International norms" seems to be the right of the USA to regime-change or destroy any nation it doesn't like, and the inability of any other nation or group of nations to do jack shit about it. When we've "intervened" on an average of nine times a year for the past 30 years, that's an "international norm" we could do without. SECOND::I guess you didn't notice that no American soldiers have died overseas since 2021.
Quote: The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died.
Quote: SECOND: It is pretty hard to fight the "enemy" when there is no combat to point to that Americans are involved in. There are no American soldiers fighting in Ukraine, for example.
Quote: SECOND: blah blah blah and more bullshit
Friday, September 29, 2023 3:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died. Once again, wrong. Military "trainers", "advisors", "intelligence" etc are in Ukraine, and getting killed. We also run mercs and fund, train, and arm proxies. And then there are the CIA ops, the foreign militaries that we train in the USA etc. Sanctions, and secondary sanctions. International lawfare and hypocritical application of law. And finally there are the NGOs including NED, USAID (both funded by govt) and other "helpful" organizations like HRW to stir up grievances to oust governments we don't like. one section agdinst another.
Friday, September 29, 2023 4:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: The US isn't actually "intervening" if no American soldier died. Once again, wrong. Military "trainers", "advisors", "intelligence" etc are in Ukraine, and getting killed. We also run mercs and fund, train, and arm proxies. And then there are the CIA ops, the foreign militaries that we train in the USA etc. Sanctions, and secondary sanctions. International lawfare and hypocritical application of law. And finally there are the NGOs including NED, USAID (both funded by govt) and other "helpful" organizations like HRW to stir up grievances to oust governments we don't like. one section agdinst another.Remember this, Signym? Key attributes of Non-Internationalist Retractors: • Are deeply cynical about values and norms and seek and are prone to conspiracy theories and suspect the role of the “deep state” in manipulating U.S. policy Signym, blah blah blah...
Friday, September 29, 2023 7:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc? How stupid do you think we are, SECOND? Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed!
Friday, September 29, 2023 7:56 PM
Friday, September 29, 2023 9:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc? How stupid do you think we are, SECOND? Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed! SECOND: Yesterday I was talking to a manager about the price of R-410A. The manager smoothly lied and said the price was over $100 per pound to justify their pricing scheme for AC repair. The price is actually $400 or less for 25 pounds. It was a friendly conversation that brought up Trump, who the manager approved of. Signym, Trumptards, or those in a less virulent form who have said nice things about Trump as you have, are just natural-born crooks, liars, and thieves. You can't help being what you are, Signym. https://www.google.com/search?q=R-410A+price
Saturday, September 30, 2023 8:03 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc? How stupid do you think we are, SECOND? Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed! SECOND: Yesterday I was talking to a manager about the price of R-410A. The manager smoothly lied and said the price was over $100 per pound to justify their pricing scheme for AC repair. The price is actually $400 or less for 25 pounds. It was a friendly conversation that brought up Trump, who the manager approved of. Signym, Trumptards, or those in a less virulent form who have said nice things about Trump as you have, are just natural-born crooks, liars, and thieves. You can't help being what you are, Signym. https://www.google.com/search?q=R-410A+price
Saturday, September 30, 2023 8:06 AM
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Saturday, September 30, 2023 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, like we DON'T have an actual history of destabilizing governments; recruiting, funding, training and arming proxies; supporting "rebel" movements with air power, outright invasions etc? How stupid do you think we are, SECOND? Project Ukraine is circling the drain, and you're trying to pretend that we (USA/ NATO) didn't just go all out to destroy Russia thru our fully-funded Ukrainian proxy. And failed! SECOND: Yesterday I was talking to a manager about the price of R-410A. The manager smoothly lied and said the price was over $100 per pound to justify their pricing scheme for AC repair. The price is actually $400 or less for 25 pounds. It was a friendly conversation that brought up Trump, who the manager approved of. Signym, Trumptards, or those in a less virulent form who have said nice things about Trump as you have, are just natural-born crooks, liars, and thieves. You can't help being what you are, Signym. https://www.google.com/search?q=R-410A+price SIGNY: You're funny when you're hopping mad! SECOND: Russians and Trumptards have in common a feeling that they are not getting the prosperity, happiness, and respect they deserve. When told they do NOT deserve it because they are liars, incompetent, and dangerous to all, Russians and Trumptards can't comprehend. They will deny that they are who they are, that they are nasty people who are getting what they deserve. It is sad watching Russians or Trumptards convincing one another in their group that there is a vast conspiracy in the "West" or in the US government against nasty-acting people. There is really only their personal inadequacies and horribleness keeping them from being successful, prosperous, and happy with life. For Russians and Trumptards it must seem so much easier to go to war against the "West" or the US government than to fix even one thing about themselves, maybe fix their drinking problem, maybe their constant lying, maybe their incompetence, maybe their grating personality.
Saturday, September 30, 2023 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND: massive projection followed by walls of crap. Dood, I have to wonder... what ARE you doing here? You seem fixated on posting bullshit that nobody cares about and even THUGR doesn't believe.
Saturday, September 30, 2023 11:52 AM
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Saturday, September 30, 2023 5:20 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There are currently 98 pages to this thread, and SECOND's psyops/ propaganda/ crap/ hate speech accounts for most of it. Take a break from the hate-fest, SECOND. It'll do you good.
Saturday, September 30, 2023 11:28 PM
Sunday, October 1, 2023 3:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: 'If Ukraine fails we will be next' - 30/09/2023 Georgian President Salomé Zourabichvili has issued a stark warning about the potential consequences if Ukraine succumbs to Russian aggression.
Sunday, October 1, 2023 3:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I don't need to read thousands of words. Putin tends to be long-winded anyway, like all lawyers. It's all about eastward expansion of NATO. Full stop.
Sunday, October 1, 2023 4:01 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by second: 'If Ukraine fails we will be next' - 30/09/2023 Georgian President Salomé Zourabichvili has issued a stark warning about the potential consequences if Ukraine succumbs to Russian aggression. Only if Georgia insists on joining NATO. Yanno, I cringe every time one of these bubble-headed bimbos gets up to speak. They're an embarassment to women everywhere, performing for a pat on the head and "diversity -membership" status in "the boy's club". I can't figure out who's stupider: "Dancing Queen" Sanna Marin, Annalena "360 degrees*" Baerbock, Urusla Van der Crazy, or Salame Pepperoni. Brainless meat puppets.
Sunday, October 1, 2023 6:22 AM
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Quote:Originally posted by THG: The British are coming... T
Sunday, October 1, 2023 2:07 PM
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Sunday, October 1, 2023 2:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: The British are coming... T
Sunday, October 1, 2023 2:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: The British are coming... SECOND: Instead of Ukrainians going to Britain for training, the Brits go to Ukraine to train. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/30/british-troops-could-deploy-to-ukraine-to-train-soldiers-says-grant-shapps
Monday, October 2, 2023 6:30 AM
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Monday, October 2, 2023 11:44 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by THG: The British are coming... SECOND: Instead of Ukrainians going to Britain for training, the Brits go to Ukraine to train. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/30/british-troops-could-deploy-to-ukraine-to-train-soldiers-says-grant-shapps And you keep insisting there is no USA military in Ukraine? Your mind... it's a clusterfuck, SECOND. You literally can't keep track of what you posted from one day to the next.
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