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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:21 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by second: Two super successful leaders praise each other for killing their neighbors and their own citizens while placing all blame on the USA, which they threatened to nuke:
Sunday, July 30, 2023 6:51 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, July 31, 2023 7:10 AM
Monday, July 31, 2023 7:18 AM
Monday, July 31, 2023 6:12 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND'S neverending recycling of BS. SECOND: Signym, Trump ... SIGNY: TRUMP! Your SECOND favorite topic! You're so funny! SECOND: Hitler/Mussolini. Putin/Trump. HEY! Whatever happened to Stalin? And Trump makes your list because... hmmm... Trump presided over the deaths of how many billions of people, again? You're still funny!
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND'S neverending recycling of BS. SECOND: Signym, Trump ... SIGNY: TRUMP! Your SECOND favorite topic! You're so funny! SECOND: Hitler/Mussolini. Putin/Trump.
Monday, July 31, 2023 7:22 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, August 1, 2023 6:58 AM
Tuesday, August 1, 2023 9:34 AM
Wednesday, August 2, 2023 3:39 AM
Quote: But step back a few years in time. When the United States entered World War II, the U.S. and Russia became allies, and FDR and Stalin became fast friends in the effort to defeat the Nazis and Imperial Japan. It was “Roosevelt’s Road to Russia” that was completed in this alliance. During those days, there was no danger for scientists and others in having communist and Red connections but rather quite the reverse. After the war, there was another switcheroo. President Harry Truman was facing party losses in Congress and cleverly triangulated by ramping up the Red Scare again. In 1948, the communists won an election in Greece, and this was highlighted in the United States as evidence of a growing imperialism under the influence of Moscow. In the blink of an eye, Russia went from valiant ally to feared enemy. And this was a decade and a half after the United States went from feared enemy to valuable domestic influence. And this was only a decade and a half after Russia went from friend of the West to feared enemy. Yep, in the course of a half-century, the switch happened three times. Did you ever wonder why George Orwell’s book “1984” was so named? It was a spin on 1948 when the Cold War began and within an instant the public mind flipped from celebrating to hating an entire nation. This is why in the book, international relations between Oceania, Eurasia, and East Asia were in continued flux. With each change, the announcement went out that we’ve always been at war with whomever the ruling class wanted war with next.
Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: But step back a few years in time. When the United States entered World War II, the U.S. and Russia became allies, and FDR and Stalin became fast friends in the effort to defeat the Nazis and Imperial Japan. It was “Roosevelt’s Road to Russia” that was completed in this alliance. During those days, there was no danger for scientists and others in having communist and Red connections but rather quite the reverse. After the war, there was another switcheroo. President Harry Truman was facing party losses in Congress and cleverly triangulated by ramping up the Red Scare again. In 1948, the communists won an election in Greece, and this was highlighted in the United States as evidence of a growing imperialism under the influence of Moscow. In the blink of an eye, Russia went from valiant ally to feared enemy. And this was a decade and a half after the United States went from feared enemy to valuable domestic influence. And this was only a decade and a half after Russia went from friend of the West to feared enemy. Yep, in the course of a half-century, the switch happened three times. Did you ever wonder why George Orwell’s book “1984” was so named? It was a spin on 1948 when the Cold War began and within an instant the public mind flipped from celebrating to hating an entire nation. This is why in the book, international relations between Oceania, Eurasia, and East Asia were in continued flux. With each change, the announcement went out that we’ve always been at war with whomever the ruling class wanted war with next. Behind a paywall at Epoch Times, but free at https://www.zerohedge.com/political/corruption-science-politics ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Wednesday, August 2, 2023 8:16 AM
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Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:27 AM
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Friday, August 4, 2023 6:32 AM
Friday, August 4, 2023 1:13 PM
Friday, August 4, 2023 9:06 PM
Quote:THE UKRAINIAN ARMY IS BREAKING A defeated army and a broken one are two different things. An army merely defeated in battle can often make successful withdrawals, reform itself, and reconstitute its strength—as Rome did after its humiliation at Cannae, eventually destroying its great rival, Carthage. But when whole armies break, when they lose their will to fight, the whole nation can likewise break. That is what happened to the great empires in World War I. It is also the fate awaiting the Ukrainian army. How does a nation at war get to a place where its fighters refuse to fight?. . . . The first negative-feedback bellow is when a war that began full of high hopes seems suddenly unwinnable. Early victories are now old memories. More battles are lost than won, and the costs of battle keep rising to the very threshold of human endurance—and then rise again. The second is when external support from friends and allies begins to evaporate. This is an especially acute negative factor if allied support is the emotional foundation of the army’s belief in ultimate victory. Third and finally, those who initiated the war, those who promised a road paved with victory, and who vowed that the world would support the army until victory was won—no matter how long it takes—are increasingly seen as liars and deceivers. The army—the entire nation—has been betrayed by its leaders. ... All this has descended on Ukraine in the past six weeks. ... There have been no victories—not even bloody and debilitating wins like in the Fourth Battle of Karkhov—for nearly a year. Western leaders still profess that their support will continue. Yet the Western Alliance now admits it didn’t give Ukrainians nearly enough good stuff for even modest tactical gains in their ongoing, sacrificial offensive—and knew it going in. And increasingly, Ukrainian unit-level commanders are accusing higher leaders of simply using them as cannon-fodder to satisfy NATO overlords. Not just platoons, but larger units are surrendering to Russian forces. Morale is cratering. . . . Yet in casualties-to-population terms, Ukrainian military losses, after more than 500 days of war, are approaching those sustained by Germany in World War I over more than 1,500 days. This is a catastrophic attrition rate, compounded by all three negative feedback loops that can break an army and a nation. Throughout the spring and summer, Ukrainian forces were thrown into battle and ground down. By autumn, the fighting army will have been spent—the tragic fate of Ukraine’s Best in 2023. By September, what is left will be twisting, and bending toward breaking, in the remorseless winds of war.
Friday, August 4, 2023 9:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: It's war. It would be impossible for Russia not to have any losses at all. So, hooray for the occasional successful Ukraine strike! And now for some real news: A 2-month summary of The Great Counteroffensive, from someone who is pro-Ukrainian, lives near Ukraine, and obsessively follows every video, geo-located video, report, and social media post on the war.
Saturday, August 5, 2023 7:24 AM
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Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Stalin was an evil man so let's punish Putin! Troll.
Sunday, August 6, 2023 7:43 AM
Sunday, August 6, 2023 10:53 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Sunday, August 6, 2023 11:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html Even CNN can't lie about this anymore. Like I said from the beginning. Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine. Get fucked, Democrats.
Sunday, August 6, 2023 12:15 PM
Sunday, August 6, 2023 10:55 PM
Quote: "Hundreds of thousands" of Russians are NOT dead. Most likely estimate is somewhere in the realm of 40,000-50,000. However "hundreds of thousands" of Ukrainians ARE dead. Most likely estimate 250,000- 400,000 since Feb 2022. Their loss rate is catastrophic. Western weapons are not suited for land wars with a near-peer. They're fragile and require far too much maintenance. For example, an M777 howitzer should only fire ten or twenty shells before requiring the "tube" to be changed bc it gets distorted and jams... and you don't want to be around when that thing explodes bc of a jammed shell. The vaunted F-16's air intake is right under the nose of the plane, and doesn't have a "debris excluder". As a result, an F16 runway needs to be inspected before takeoff, a line of people literally walking within arm's reach of each other inspecting the runway surface for any pebble or bit of tire or clump of weed. Ukrainian runway would have to be completely rebuilt. Experts have called the F16 a "giant runway vacuum cleaner". What I think is that RUSSIANS are testing...and improving... their weapons. IMHO that's why they use multiple missile types, artillery pieces, drones, bombs and helicopters in direct head-to-head comparisons. Their biggest advancement has been in drones, which they're now producing and using at prodigious rates, and their EW capabilities which they improve with every piece of captured western weaponry. Americans love winners,and this isn't a winning war.
Sunday, August 6, 2023 11:17 PM
Monday, August 7, 2023 7:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno SECOND, and THUGR, it's too bad the USA promised Ukraine entry into NATO, and pushed and bribed Ukraine into gearing up for an attack on Donbas. It was all set-piece, an excuse to sanction Russia and then topple its already -weakened government with a big military push from Ukraine. If Russia had waited for the attack that was coming, Ukraine (and complicitly the USA and EU) would be the aggressor and most of us would be singing a different tune. Nevermind that Ukraine constantly shelled Donetsk and massed somewhere in the realm of 80,000-100,000 troops on the Donbas border and that Zelenskiy agitated for nukes! Anyway, Russia ... beyond all neocon imagining... is winning, and will win, this war. And will probably have close to a million trained men in their army by mid-2024 in anticipation of an escalation that winds up with direct NATO involvement. What is our administration going to DO? Well, if they were planning on an ACTUAL war with Russia, they would have started recruiting more heavily a long time ago, geared up weapons manufacturing, and started pre-positioning materiel already. A credible conventional military response is already out of the question. Of course, I can't assume that our administration even knows what a credible military response is, seeing as they seem to run on wishful thinking and Rambo movies, so maybe they think that "something" "somewhere" could happen? But assuming that they're smart enough to realize that a conventional military response will fail and shouldn't be attempted, I imagine they would then try to solve their (neocon, DNC/GOP establisment) POLITICAL problem, which is "how do we extricate ourselves from this mess without looking like a LOSER?" Supposedly there are some desultory talks happening between the Kremlin and CFR/thinktanistan, but apparently our side has no idea how serious Russia is about this: they think they can bullshit and promise their way into getting Russia to give up military gains. But since we reneged on every treaty, agreement , contract, or promise with the Russians (the latest being the "grain deal") what POSSIBLE rationale would the Russians have for entering yet another agreement, and a disadvantageous one at that, likely to be weaseled out of by the west?? So my guess is this administration, with neither a military nor a negotiated face-saving solution in sight, will promise yet more weapons to Kiev, to keep the war going thru October, and then throw the Ukrainians under the bus. Nevermind that by then a half-million Ukrainian men - or more -will have been killed. That's assuming that the USA controls the pace of the war. Which it doesn't. So the big question is, what is RUSSIA going to do? Well, Russia has some actual goals, and they include de-militarizing, de-Nazifying, and neutralizing Ukraine. IMO all that is within reach. But Russia has further aims, and that is to restructure Europe's security architecture. At a minimum, that would mean removing USA/NATO missile installations from Poland and Romania. But that would mean FORCING NATO to the table. Hmmm... tricky calculation, getting the to negotiate without forcing the USA to push The Button. Needs more thought! ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Monday, August 7, 2023 7:30 AM
Monday, August 7, 2023 11:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno SECOND, and THUGR, it's too bad the USA promised Ukraine entry into NATO, and pushed and bribed Ukraine into gearing up for an attack on Donbas. It was all set-piece, an excuse to sanction Russia and then topple its already -weakened government with a big military push from Ukraine. If Russia had waited for the attack that was coming, Ukraine (and complicitly the USA and EU) would be the aggressor and most of us would be singing a different tune. Nevermind that Ukraine constantly shelled Donetsk and massed somewhere in the realm of 80,000-100,000 troops on the Donbas border and that Zelenskiy agitated for nukes! Anyway, Russia ... beyond all neocon imagining... is winning, and will win, this war. And will probably have close to a million trained men in their army by mid-2024 in anticipation of an escalation that winds up with direct NATO involvement. What is our administration going to DO? Well, if they were planning on an ACTUAL war with Russia, they would have started recruiting more heavily a long time ago, geared up weapons manufacturing, and started pre-positioning materiel already. A credible conventional military response is already out of the question. Of course, I can't assume that our administration even knows what a credible military response is, seeing as they seem to run on wishful thinking and Rambo movies, so maybe they think that "something" "somewhere" could happen? But assuming that they're smart enough to realize that a conventional military response will fail and shouldn't be attempted, I imagine they would then try to solve their (neocon, DNC/GOP establisment) POLITICAL problem, which is "how do we extricate ourselves from this mess without looking like a LOSER?" Supposedly there are some desultory talks happening between the Kremlin and CFR/thinktanistan, but apparently our side has no idea how serious Russia is about this: they think they can bullshit and promise their way into getting Russia to give up military gains. But since we reneged on every treaty, agreement , contract, or promise with the Russians (the latest being the "grain deal") what POSSIBLE rationale would the Russians have for entering yet another agreement, and a disadvantageous one at that, likely to be weaseled out of by the west?? So my guess is this administration, with neither a military nor a negotiated face-saving solution in sight, will promise yet more weapons to Kiev, to keep the war going thru October, and then throw the Ukrainians under the bus. Nevermind that by then a half-million Ukrainian men - or more -will have been killed. That's assuming that the USA controls the pace of the war. Which it doesn't. So the big question is, what is RUSSIA going to do? Well, Russia has some actual goals, and they include de-militarizing, de-Nazifying, and neutralizing Ukraine. IMO all that is within reach. But Russia has further aims, and that is to restructure Europe's security architecture. At a minimum, that would mean removing USA/NATO missile installations from Poland and Romania. But that would mean FORCING NATO to the table. Hmmm... tricky calculation, getting the to negotiate without forcing the USA to push The Button. Needs more thought! SECOND: You could not be more Russian if you tried, Signym.
Monday, August 7, 2023 11:42 AM
Monday, August 7, 2023 12:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: "I don't like you, so you're Russian." -------------------------------------------------- How you do anything is how you do everything.
Monday, August 7, 2023 10:26 PM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 1:02 AM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: "I don't like you, so you're Russian."
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: . . . while hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men die for your Democrat cult leaders. Real Americans are finished with you and your kind.
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 7:35 AM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 8:26 AM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Speaking of diarrhea of the mouth... Why izzit that your posts always look like walls of gibberish? That contradict each other?
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:42 AM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 11:37 AM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 12:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Speaking of diarrhea of the mouth... Why izzit that your posts always look like walls of gibberish? That contradict each other? ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 4:47 PM
Tuesday, August 8, 2023 9:58 PM
Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wow, way to go off-topic, SECOND! Meanwhile, in Ukraine: cartoon about slow, paltry American assistance Let the blamestorming begin!
Wednesday, August 9, 2023 7:38 AM
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