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lol @ your fear porn.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually it was NATO's fault for trying to extend into Ukraine.

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Dramatic Video Shows Russian Jets 'Harassing' US Drones Over Syria
... The US recently authorized deployment of F-22 Raptor stealth fighters in defense of US positions in the northeast of the country.
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SITREP 7/4/23: Final Hour of Zelensky's Terror Ploy
Simplicius The Thinker
Jul 4, 2023


The most exigent matter on the table is once again the brewing Zaporozhye plant showdown. It’s now believed by some that Zelensky is planning to carry out the ZNPP falseflag in the next few days on the eve of the big NATO summit in Vilnius, which is on July 12. The purpose would be to galvanize the NATO members and shape the entire policy discussion of the summit around Ukraine and the “nuclear disaster”.

For such a plan to work, the ZNPP would have to be blown well in advance to give it at least a few days lead time to shape the proper narrative of ‘fall out’ and nuclear consequences which can be used as the catalyst to bring reluctant NATO members to heel and cement their solidarity with Ukraine, as well as ideally issue some major demarche like the fabled activation of ‘Article 5’ Ukraine so breathlessly dreams about.

There’ve been a variety of developments in this direction. Firstly, a special American nuclear-sniffing plane has arrived in Europe “just in time”...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The only thing I sniff is a false flag.

Kiev can't actually create a nuclear emergency at the ZNPP, but they can create the appearance of an emergency by launching a Totchka2 or similar, with a warhead laced with radioactive waste.

We may be in for another "WMD! Assad gassed his own people! Quaddafi massacred his own people!" and "Gulf of Tonkin".

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but... but... but... biden* called them a 'war crime', didn't he?

unlike russian cluster munitions which self-defuse in 24 hours, USA cluster munitions persist for a long time, littering the landscape and making normal civilian life dangerous.

sigh.

and weren't we the ones whinging about radioactive fallout, even as britain was providing depleted uranium shells?

NEVER expect the moral high ground from our fearless leaders and allies. it's all about expediency.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.
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did i miss any?


recycled ad nauseum.

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originally posted by SIGNYM:
yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.

russia is a gas station masquerading as a country
russia is running out of weapons
russians are slavering hordes of cannibalistic mass murderers
russia doesn't know how to fight wars
russia's economy is in tatters, tatters, i tell you!
NATO is more united than ever
russia is isolated from the 'world' economy
putin is an iron-fisted tyrant
russia needs to be 'decolonized' (i.e broken up) and absorbed
russia is committing war crimes in ukraine
russia is suffering massive casulties
ukraine is winning! endlessly winning!
russia blew up nordstream
russia blew up the nova kakhova dam
russia is going to blow up ZNPP
putin's government is cracking
this war is all about freedom and democracy
saint zelenskiy is a freedom fighter
ukraine just needs more weapons and more money!
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did i miss any?
recycled ad nauseum.

SECOND: You failed to include this reason:

The Russians murdered 62 million Russians.

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The Russians murdered 4 million Ukrainians.

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The Russians invaded Ukraine.

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The Ukrainians feel strongly that Russians should die for that.

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In the meantime, for absolutely selfish reasons the US will spend a few billion dollars per month to supply ammo to Ukraine because, besides Russians being murderers, the Russians also have threatened for 70 years to invade the rest of Europe and nuke the USA

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just wake me up, SECOND, if you come across a new one.

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... a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives ...
In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin [i.e probably excluding wwii] ...British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53 [excluding wwii?]... Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths [excluding wwii?] ...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

yanno, the one good thing about SECOND is that i don't have to diligently scan the M$M to see what bullshit they're spewing on any particular day. all i need to do is come here to get the propaganda du jour.

russia is a gas station masquerading as a country
russia is running out of weapons
russians are slavering hordes of cannibalistic mass murderers
russia doesn't know how to fight wars
russia's economy is in tatters, tatters, i tell you!
NATO is more united than ever
russia is isolated from the 'world' economy
putin is an iron-fisted tyrant
russia needs to be 'decolonized' (i.e broken up) and absorbed
russia is committing war crimes in ukraine
russia is suffering massive casulties
ukraine is winning! endlessly winning!
russia blew up nordstream
russia blew up the nova kakhova dam
russia is going to blow up ZNPP
putin's government is cracking
this war is all about freedom and democracy
saint zelenskiy is a freedom fighter
ukraine just needs more weapons and more money!

did i miss any?

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just wake me up, SECOND, if you come across a new one.

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Russia killed 62 million of its own citizens.
From the book Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from http://libgen.is/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel
https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
/B073RQ94KF/

1 61,911,000 Victims: Utopianism Empowered, 1917-1987

2 3,284,000 Victims: The Civil War Period, 1917-1922

3 2,200,000 Victims: The NEP Period 1923-1928

4 11,440,000 Victims: The Collectivization Period, 1929-1935

5 4,345,000 Victims: The Great Terror Period 1936-1938

6 5,104,000 Victims: Pre-World War II Period 1939-June 1941

7 13,053,000 Victims: World War II Period, June 1941-1945

8 15,613,000 Victims: Postwar and Stalin’s Twilight Period, 1945-1953

9 6,872,000 Victims: Post-Stalin Period, 1954-1987

Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder since 1917 by R. J. Rummel
Download the free book from http://libgen.is/search.php?req=R.+J.+Rummel
https://www.amazon.com/Lethal-Politics-Soviet-Genocide-Murder-ebook/dp
/B073RQ94KF/

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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you have a habit of quoting . . .

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Looks like sig agrees with you 2. And it's a damning account of Russia. History shows Russia is and has always been, amongst the worst of the worst. The most corrupt, bad, evil, and morally ill.

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Looks like sig agrees with you 2. And it's a damning account of Russia. History shows Russia is and has always been, amongst the worst of the worst. The most corrupt, bad, evil, and morally ill.

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To "waste" means to kill. Russians have wasted Russian lives by the tens of millions. The Ukrainians are aware that Russians are wasteful. The Ukrainians fight the Russians because they know their lives will be wasted if Russians control them.

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I'm sure that is a part of it.

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I'm sure that is a part of it.

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There are economic and health comparisons that are easy to make between wasteful Russia and careful Canada. Russia looks bad on both measures because of its philosophy of life, or of death, whichever you prefer to call it.

The Russian economy is wasteful compared to the Canadian economy: https://www.google.com/search?q=Compare+gnp+russia+canada

GDP per capita Russia $18,388.40 Canada $71,212.86
https://www.international.gc.ca/country-pays/fact_sheet-fiche_document
aire/russia-russie.aspx?lang=eng

A Russian's lifespan is short compared to a Canadian: https://www.google.com/search?q=compare+Russia+Canada+lifespan

In Russia, the average life expectancy is 72 years (67 years for men, 78 years for women) as of 2022. In Canada, that number is 84 years (82 years for men, 86 years for women) as of 2022.

I don't think the Russians can truthfully blame their sad lives on the US, especially when Canadians do so well despite living adjacent to the US. There is something that shall remain unnamed intrinsically wrong with Russia.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Russia's run by a Mafia strongman. It's what Trump wants to do here.

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Russia's run by a Mafia strongman. It's what Trump wants to do here.

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Russia's problem is succinctly summarized -- Russians are half-asses. For example:

Half of Russian Losses Could Have Been Prevented With Proper First Aid

Monday's U.K. MOD update cited a claim by the Kalashnikov company's combat medicine training division that it was likely that "up to 50 percent of Russian combat fatalities could have been prevented with proper first aid."

The leading causes of preventable fatalities and amputations were slow evacuations and "the inappropriate use of the crude in-service Russian combat tourniquet," the MOD said.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-losses-first-aid-prevented-ukraine-war
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Russians need to, but won't, get their shit together. Whether making real plans for replacing their ruler at predetermined times and regular intervals or evacuating their wounded, Russians just haven't got their shit together. The Russians could do themselves a favor by sobering up and acting with common sense instead of like they are raging lunatics howling for blood (Russia made another death threat to nuke the US). Russians are nuts.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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This is the type of dumbassery that comes out of people who view an entire country as a single hive-mind.

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Originally posted by second:
Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion

Daniel R. DePetris , fellow, Defense Priorities
On 7/10/23 at 5:00 AM EDT

Bringing Ukraine into NATO would scratch the itch of teaching Russia a lesson. But it would do nothing to end the war or shorten its duration—precisely the opposite. If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.

Putin would be given two choices: lose and watch NATO's border with Russia get even longer than it is today (and courtesy of Finland's own entry into the alliance this year, the NATO-Russia border has already increased by more than 800 miles), or continue to pour men and resources into the conflict to win or at least maintain a stalemate. Any semblance of a diplomatic settlement to the war would evaporate.

The U.S. would also be burdening itself with another security commitment in Europe at a time when the center of gravity in U.S. foreign policy is now focused on Asia. Perhaps this would be necessary if Ukraine's security was an ingredient to ensuring that Europe remains whole, free, and largely at peace. But nobody can make this argument with a straight face. Russia couldn't invade or occupy a European country even if it wanted to. If that was true before the war in Ukraine began, it's even more true now, with tens of thousands of Russian troops dead, tens of thousands more wounded, and the Russian army reportedly losing half its combat power in about a year and a half. Europe can and should continue to aid Ukraine, but realistically, Europe simply doesn't need Ukraine as a formal ally to maintain its economic or military advantage over Russia.

It's past time for NATO to close the proverbial open door, not keep it open in perpetuity.

Daniel R. DePetris is a fellow at Defense Priorities and a syndicated foreign affairs columnist at the Chicago Tribune.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-should-not-nato-opinion-1811669

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion

If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.

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I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.

That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.

Right. That's what I've been saying all along.

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The Joe Biden administration has come out in opposition to Congress creating an inspector general’s office to oversee weapons transfers to the Ukrainian government.

The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) includes a provision that will create an inspector general for the proxy war in Ukraine modeled after the Special Inspector General for Afghan Reconstruction (SIGAR).

SIGAR John Sopko detailed the rampant American failures during the Afghan War for years. His quarterly reports routinely embarrassed American officials who tried to portray the situation in Afghanistan as improving.

Sopko has warned that an inspector general’s official for the Ukraine war needed to be established to prevent a repeat of the situation American aid created in Afghanistan, which saw massive corruption. “There is an understandable desire amid a crisis to focus on getting money out the door and to worry about oversight later, but too often that creates more problems than it solves,” he wrote in a report submitted to Congress earlier this year. “Given the ongoing conflict and the unprecedented volume of weapons being transferred to Ukraine, the risk that some equipment ends up on the black market or in the wrong hands is likely unavoidable.”

Sopko continued, “You’re bound to get corrupt elements of not only the Ukrainian or the host government, but also of US government contractors or other third party contractors to try to steal the money. There’s just so much money going in, and it’s hard to keep track of.”

The White House argued that creating an inspector general for Ukraine was unnecessary as the Department of Defense was already monitoring transfers.

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“This expansion is both unnecessary and unprecedented, as oversight of US assistance for the benefit of a country’s people is already provided by the Inspectors General for the Department of State and United States Agency for International Development,” a White House statement said.

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However, a report published in June by the Pentagon inspector general found several issues with US weapons shipments to Ukraine. “DoD personnel did not have the required accountability of the thousands of defense items that they received and transferred at Jasionka, [Poland],” the report explained. “We observed that DoD personnel did not fully implement their standard operating procedures to account for defense items and could not confirm the quantities of defense items received against the quantity of items shipped for three of five shipments we observed.”

The US has shipped tens [hundreds] of billions worth of weapons to Ukraine since the Russian invasion last year. While Washington and Kiev maintain all weapons are being used on the battlefield, governments in Europe, the Middle East and Africa report weapons from Ukraine have been used by criminals and militants.

Additionally, American weapons were used by openly neo-Nazi fighters carrying out cross-border attacks within the Russian mainland. Initially, American officials said they were “skeptical” of reports that the arms these militias used had been provided by the US. However, officials later admitted that, indeed American weapons were used during the raid.

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Ukraine Should NOT Be in NATO | Opinion

If Putin knows that Ukraine will be invited into the alliance after the war is over, he will have even more reason to fight in order to prevent that outcome.

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I'm going to ignore whatever dumbass reply you left in the previous post because I actually appreciate this one coming from you.

That is... assuming you agree with it, of course.

Right. That's what I've been saying all along.

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I am pretty sure you missed the point, which is "If Putin knows". Don't let Putin know. But once the Ukrainian War is over, then NATO would announce that Ukraine can join.

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Learn how to read.

You're a fucking idiot.

You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.



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Learn how to read.

You're a fucking idiot.

You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.

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Learn how to read.

You're a fucking idiot.

You're so stupid that you posted an article that is in 100% disagreement with your own stance on the issue because you can't bother to read anything past the headline and the first few paragraphs.

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NATO members are countries that despise Russia because Russians murder people by the tens of millions and steal their land. If Putin was informed now that Ukraine will join NATO, Russia will increase its murder rate of Ukrainians while it can.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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No shit. Not the point, retard.

That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.

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No shit. Not the point, retard.

That article you posted was 100% against your wishes for NATO and Ukraine, yet you posted it anyway because you are stupid.

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1) None of the NATO countries have sent even one platoon of soldiers to Ukraine because all the governments are avoiding Russia for unstated reasons. Reasons could be fear, could be their army's lack of readiness, or could be election politics. If NATO allowed Ukraine to join today, all the countries have agreed to fight Russia if a NATO nation is attacked. Avoiding the fight while faking bravery/empathy is the first reason NATO has not invited Ukraine to join.

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And back to the point... You posted a story that contradicts what you want, thinking it was saying what you wanted it to say because you are a very stupid person.

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there are, apparently, realists in NATO who don't want to engage directly with russia.

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