Russia Invades Ukraine. Again by captaincrunch

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Russia plan to blow up Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant has been “drafted and approved”

by Bruno Maçães, 23 June 2023

KYIV – In an interview with the New Statesman today (23 June) in the Rybalsky compound of Ukraine’s military intelligence services in Kyiv, Kyrylo Budanov warned that Russia has finished preparations for an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the south-east of the country.

According to Budanov, who leads the Main Directorate military intelligence organisation, the cooling pond of the plant has been mined by Russian troops. Without cooling, the nuclear reactors could melt in a period of between ten hours and 14 days. He believes Russia would be able to raise the voltage in the power supply lines to the plant, bringing about a nuclear accident at the lower end of that time frame. As Budanov put it during the interview, “Technical means could be used to speed up the catastrophe.”

Ukrainian military intelligence has also been able to establish that Russian troops have moved vehicles charged with explosives to four of the six power units. It is not clear if the International Atomic Energy Agency was granted access to these units during its visit on 15 June.

On 22 June, Volodymyr Zelensky made an alarming public announcement suggesting an attack on Zaporizhzhia could happen at any moment. The intelligence came from Ukraine’s Main Directorate. The prospect of a provoked accident has been raised before but Budanov thinks this time is different. “The situation has never been as severe as now,” he said. Zelensky added that Ukraine’s interior ministry has been tasked with preparing the population with how to respond to a nuclear catastrophe.

I asked Ukraine’s spymaster if the decision to blow up the power plant has been taken. He is confident the plan is fully “drafted and approved”. The only element missing is the order to go ahead. “Then it can happen in a matter of minutes.”

Whether the order will come depends on how Russia sees the potential benefits from a nuclear disaster in southern Ukraine. Budanov told me there are two possibilities. The first would be to blow up the power plant if its forces get ousted from the left bank of the Dnieper river. Russia would then create a zone of destruction and exclusion as a way to prevent Ukraine from advancing. The strategy may also serve as a threat not to attack Russian positions.

The second possibility is that Russia would use a nuclear disaster as a “preventive measure”, in Budanov’s words. The goal in this case would be to stop Ukraine’s offensive before it starts and to freeze the line of contact as it exists. If Russia is convinced that it cannot stop a Ukrainian advance any other way, it would activate what Zelensky in his address called “a terrorist attack with radiation leakage”.

There is frustration in Ukrainian intelligence and government circles that the reaction from the global community to the destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric dam on 6 June was so muted, and that it might invite further “scorched Earth tactics”.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2023/06/russia-plan-
blow-up-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-drafted-approved

Bruno Maçães was the Portuguese Europe minister from 2013-2015 and is the author of “Geopolitics for the End Time: From the Pandemic to the Climate Crisis”.

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Comrade, I told you so. Can_you_see_me_laughing?

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CIVIL WAR BEGINS IN RUSSIA | Breaking News With The Enforcer

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Prigozhin Charged With 'Inciting Armed Revolt' After Vowing to Stop 'Evil' Military Leadership

By Mack Tubridy, Pyotr Kozlov and Samantha Berkhead

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/23/prigozhin-says-moscow-strike
s-kill-huge-number-of-wagner-forces-vows-to-stop-top-brass-a81615

The head of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group Yevgeny Prigozhin was charged with “inciting an armed uprising” and military vehicles were deployed to the streets of Moscow and Rostov-on-Don after he made an extraordinary threat to “stop” Russia’s top military brass.

Prigozhin on Friday accused Russia’s military leadership of ordering strikes on Wagner’s camps and killing a "huge" number of forces.

In a tirade against the Defense Ministry, with whom he has been feuding publicly for months over the handling of the war in Ukraine, Prigozhin, 62, said Wagner's leadership had determined that "the evil that the military leadership of the country brings must be stopped."

Hours later, Russia’s Federal Security Agency (FSB) had filed criminal charges against Prigozhin for "inciting an armed uprising."

The charges are punishable by 12 to 20 years in prison.

"Prigozhin’s statements and actions amount to calls for the start of an armed civil conflict on Russian territory and are a ‘stab in the back’ for Russian servicemen fighting pro-fascist Ukrainian forces," the FSB said in a statement carried by state agencies.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that President Vladimir Putin was aware of the "unfolding situation" around Prigozhin and that "all necessary measures" were being taken.

Shortly after 2:00 a.m. Prigozhin claimed Wagner's forces had "crossed all state borders" and entered the southern Rostov region, where he said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was located.

"The Defense Ministry units which were sent to block our path stood aside. ... We will destroy everything that gets in our way. We are going onwards and we will go to the end," he said in a new audio message.

High-ranking Russian officials who spoke to The Moscow Times on condition of anonymity warned against drawing premature conclusions as the situation is developing under the “fog of war.”

But a source close to the Kremlin said that Prigozhin's threats of revolt were the result of the competing military power structures that had emerged amid Russia's war on Ukraine.

"The problem is that in the case of Prigozhin, we got a classic example of two armies and many decision-making centers in the system," the source told The Moscow Times.

"The concern that this would cause problems was debated at meetings in the Kremlin and in the government. But the state management system in Russia has a lot of inertia — most in the Kremlin would throw up their hands, shake their heads and say, 'Yes, that's true. But it's not our business. Let others sort it out.’

“Now it's time to sort it out.”

Following widespread speculation that he had de facto announced an armed revolt against Russia’s military, Prigozhin added: “It is not a coup d’etat. It’s a march of justice. Our actions do not impede [regular Russian] soldiers at all.”

The Russian Defense Ministry denied Prigozhin's claims that its forces fired on Wagner encampments, saying they "do not correspond to reality" and calling them a "provocation."

It later claimed that Ukrainian forces, “taking advantage of Prigozhin’s provocation,” had launched offensive operations near the eastern city of Bakhmut.

Law enforcement authorities have stepped up security measures in Moscow, the state-run TASS news agency said around 1:00 a.m. local time.

"All the most important facilities, state authorities and transport infrastructure facilities have been taken under enhanced protection," TASS cited law enforcement agencies as saying.

Video and photos shared on social media on Friday night showed military vehicles on the streets of Rostov-on-Don as well as in central Moscow.

A Moscow Times reporter in central Moscow did not see a significant military or police presence near the Kremlin.

Elsewhere in the capital, columns of military vehicles were filmed near the Defense Ministry headquarters and the road leading to the presidential administration building was reportedly closed off.

There did not appear to be a notable police presence at the Wagner Group's headquarters in St. Petersburg.

Independent news outlets reported that Russian state media outlets were barred from citing any of Prigozhin’s statements.

In a video posted to Telegram by Andrei Rudyenko, a state-affiliated war correspondent, Russian General Sergei Surovikin called on Wagner fighters to lay down their arms.

“The enemy is just waiting for the political situation in our country to deteriorate. It’s wrong to play into the enemy’s hands during these difficult times,” he said, appearing haggard and holding a rifle on his right leg.

“We are of the same blood. We are warriors. I urge you to stop.”

Over the past year or so, Prigozhin "has felt like a messiah" due to his ability to openly critique the handling of the war effort without punishment, another Russian official who has worked closely with the Wagner leader told The Moscow Times.

"He's on a white horse. Many of us have climbed on it, and fallen... It's only thanks to this that the hubris passed and reason returned. Prigozhin created an army, achieved success in the war, got the right to say things that no one else can say... And now he felt like a messiah. And all the way, not once did he fall off the horse... That is the result."

But as military vehicles rode through the streets of Rostov-on-Don and Moscow, the Kremlin merely released a video of Putin delivering a message marking the Youth Day holiday.

AFP contributed reporting.

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Friday, June 23, 2023 9:27 PM

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US introduced bipartisan resolution for NATO Article 5.

US senators introduced a bipartisan resolution declaring russia's use of nuclear weapons or destruction of the occupied Zaporizhia Nuclear Powerplant in Ukraine to be an attack on NATO requiring the invocation of NATO Article 5
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/14gnd2v/lindsey_graham_and_s
en_blumenthal_introduced_a/

"Ukrainian military stormed positions near Krasnohorivka in Donetsk region for the first time in the ATO"
According to a number of military sources, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to take positions that had been under the control of the "DPR" for 9 years.
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1672234143659220993?s=19

"No one destroyed 60 Leopards": Wagner Boss Exposes Frontline Reality vs. Kremlin's Fiction
Wagner Boss questions the widely circulated Russian claims of 60 destroyed Leopards and reveals the truth of the advancements made by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/18618

Russia must pay to rebuild Ukraine, says Germany
The US, Britain and the EU have pledged €60 billion to help Ukraine rebuild. But Germany's development minister says it's "obvious" that Moscow should ultimately foot the bill for the destruction caused by the war.
https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-russia-must-pay-for-what-they-destroyed-
says-germany/a-66009211?maca=en-rss-en-all-1573-rdf

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Friday, June 23, 2023 9:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yeah.
Bc "Ukraine is in NATO".
And USA can always gin up an attack on ... anywhere... and claim "Russia did it".
/snark

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Russian federal subjects and the Wagner Group continue efforts to conceal the true scale of Russian and Wagner losses in Ukraine. Russian opposition media outlet Verstka reported that authorities of at least 16 Russian federal subjects ceased publishing the obituaries of Russian soldiers killed in Ukraine, seven federal subjects never published consistent obituaries for war dead, and 19 federal subjects never published obituaries.[63] Bloomberg reported on June 22, citing data from the Bank of Russia, that Wagner Group is paying death gratuities to Wagner personnel’s families in cash, likely in an attempt to conceal the true amount Wagner has paid.[64] Bloomberg noted that Wagner has paid so many death gratuities that the cash turnover in Russia within the past 10 months exceeded pre-war forecasts by 2.2 trillion rubles (roughly $25.9 billion). https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-war-economy-awash-bags-04000055
1.html

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-23-2023

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The Wagner Mutiny Foreshadows a Russian Defeat
Leonid Bershidsky | Bloomberg

The mutiny by Wagner PMC, the mercenary army founded by St. Petersburg caterer Yevgeny Prigozhin, hardly comes as a surprise after months of mockery and derision directed at military leaders in Moscow. But in its timing — in the midst of a Ukrainian counteroffensive — this apparent reenactment of Benito Mussolini’s 1922 March on Rome could foreshadow Russia’s defeat in its war of choice.

On Friday morning, Prigozhin published a long video on Telegram in which he argued that the Ukraine invasion was launched for little more than Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s vanity and a corrupt oligarchy’s business interests. He claimed the Russian army was retreating and losing 10 times more soldiers than it would have lost under better military leadership. Russian dissidents have been jailed for years for saying less: “Discreditation of the military” carries a maximum 15-year prison term under the Russian criminal code.

A few hours later, Prigozhin accused Shoigu and Chief of General Staff Valery Gerasimov of ordering a missile strike on Wagner encampments deep behind the Russian lines. Overnight, his troops seized control of military and administrative buildings in the southern Russian city of Rostov. There, Prigozhin met with two top Russian generals and demanded that Shoigu and Gerasimov be handed over to him, threatening otherwise to march on Moscow. “Come and get them,” Lt. Gen. Vladimir Alexeyev, deputy head of Russia’s military intelligence, countered with a laugh.

So the Wagner column moved on to Voronezh, its trucks mixing with civilian cars on the highway to make an attack from the air difficult. Prigozhin claimed that his force counted 25,000 fighters, though the real number is likely less than 10,000. Wagner was decimated by the 220-day fight for Bakhmut and the departure of almost all surviving convicts Wagner had been allowed to recruit from prison camps. Still, the battle-hardened mercenaries met with no resistance as they moved through the Russian hinterland.

That’s likely to change. Vladimir Putin gave a tough five-minute speech on Saturday morning. Without naming Prigozhin, he accused him of treason and the kind of stab in the back that, he said, “stole” from Russia its well-deserved victory in World War I and led to the Bolshevik revolution and civil war. He said he’d spoken to military commanders overnight and given orders to end the mutiny.

Months of rancor turned into action — if self-destructive — in the wake of Wagner’s winning the towns of Soledar and Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, the only successes of the Russian winter offensive in Ukraine. When Wagner pulled back to lick its wounds, Shoigu used the opportunity to demand that all mercenary troops sign contracts with his ministry. Prigozhin refused and was sidelined and Wagner’s supplies cut off by the military. Regular units have been fighting off the Ukrainian counteroffensive without Wagner’s help and have suffered no major defeats so far. Without an active role in the conflict, Prigozhin’s private army was getting expensive to maintain and useless as a moneymaker — its primary function for Prigozhin, who founded it to fight for resource concessions in Africa and the Middle East. Rather than shrink into the shadows, the restaurateur-turned-field commander went all in.

Putin’s authority has been undermined by the shoddy conduct of the Ukraine invasion, but he is no Luigi Facta, the Italian prime minister who was powerless to stop Mussolini from seizing power, nor is he King Victor Emmanuel III, who allowed the fascist leader to take over. Over the last decade, Prigozhin has forged strong ties within the military establishment, but they hardly run deep enough to allow his coup attempt to succeed. Two of his erstwhile military allies, Army General Sergei Surovikin and Alexeyev, have recorded videos condemning the mutiny and calling on Wagner fighters to desist. Security agencies such as the all-powerful FSB have been hostile to Prigozhin, an ex-convict without a military or security background. Late on Friday, the FSB opened a criminal case against him and the Prosecutor General’s office launched an official investigation.

The populist rhetoric of a “march for justice” to “save Russia” that Prigozhin has unleashed on the subscribers of his network of Telegram channels is reminiscent of Mussolini’s appeals to Italy’s World War I veterans: Those who had been in the trenches, he would tell them, deserved the right to lead Italy, replacing its corrupt elite. But popular support for the Wagner chief in Russia is questionable. Russia’s ultranationalists despise him, not least because he is Jewish; they’ve nicknamed him garçon because of his restaurant and catering business. There’s no indication that he might be popular with ordinary Russians — his reputation is that of an eccentric loudmouth or a criminal adventurist rather than a hero; with an abrasive voice and a peculiarly bloodthirsty sense of humor, he’s far from the public speaker Mussolini was.

In other words, there aren’t many reasons why Prigozhin might count on a Mussolini-like triumph, even though an experienced fighting force capable of fearsome urban conduct can’t be ignored. The question now is how Putin can move to neutralize this threat and assert his power without endangering the war effort in Ukraine. Prigozhin’s move is already causing much festive excitement in Ukraine, and even some Russian liberal opposition figures, notably exiled billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky, are rooting for him, not because they are fans but because they have an enemy in common. It was, after all, Putin himself who allowed Prigozhin’s mercenary army to flourish and fight important battles in Ukraine. Suppressing it is, at the very least, a major loss. It is also a loyalty test for military commanders and enforcers, already demoralized by the relative lack of success in Ukraine. Putin must be wondering if the determined toughness necessary to put down a coup attempt is to be found anywhere in his security apparatus — and if it is not shown soon, Ukrainian troops will only attack with more vigor.

It may be a telltale sign that in his speech, Putin didn’t just avoid saying Prigozhin’s name — he also didn’t mention Shoigu and Gerasimov, the mutinous warlord’s arch-antagonists. While Putin can’t but stand up for them simply because they represent the state, he can hardly be happy that they have allowed their conflict with Prigozhin to escalate to a point that endangers his very regime. Prigozhin’s invective against them rings true to many Russian soldiers who know they haven’t been commanded or supplied effectively. Putin must be wondering whether such sentiment is widespread and forceful enough to cause the troops to turn around and go home — as Russian soldiers did at the end of World War I.

Prigozhin is likely to lose, but his escapade is a clear sign that Russia is not winning in Ukraine. In fact, the invasion looks more and more like the same kind of adventure as this desperate “march of justice.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/06/24/mutiny-in-russia-fo
reshadows-defeat-in-ukraine/46a6ca2e-127c-11ee-8d22-5f65b2e2f6ad_story.html

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Garry Kasparov @Kasparov63 tweeted:

Don't wonder what will happen if Russia collapses. It already did! Years ago. It's not a state, it's a mafia front with factions fighting each other for money, resources, and power.
4:50 PM · Jun 23, 2023
https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1672361468602335238

Whatever is happening now, it was already clear Putin wasn't able to control every faction or to keep the infighting quiet or at least non-violent the way he mostly could before.

The pointing fingers among Russian factions will increasingly be on triggers as Ukrainian victories multiply. The towers of lies will collapse and new, smaller ones built. Defeat will be denied, then blamed on rivals, then fake victory declared by the survivors.

Whoever keeps control, Putin or anyone else, will be faced with threats & instability. It is vital for the free world not to offer any lifelines to murderers. We do not expect democracy and liberty to suddenly flourish, but there can be no deals with Russian war criminals.

There will be attempts to use internal conflict as pretext for ceasefires, sanctions relief, and other charades to give Russia time to regroup and reload while occupying Ukrainian territory & continuing the terror. No.

Do not let whatever mafia show that is now out in the open in Russia distract from the goal of Ukrainian victory. It is time to accelerate, not hesitate. If you agree that "let them all lose" in Russia is ideal, the road to that is victory. Glory to Ukraine.

PS Please keep in mind that even more than usual, everything coming out of the Kremlin, and Russian generally, will be lies. It's instinctive and about control. Such people would not admit they were drowning to a lifeguard.

If this is a color revolution in Russia, it’s the color of money. Crooks fighting thugs for turf and resources and the power to hold them. Prigozhin could end up dead or like another Kadyrov, bought off to murder for the regime again. No honor among thieves & killers.

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Prigozhin’s bid for control is arguably the greatest threat to Moscow’s government since the 1991 coup attempt against Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev. In August of that year, Communist Party and KGB hard-liners, angered by Gorbachev’s reform efforts, sought to take over the government by sending troops into Moscow. But that coup quickly failed, and the Soviet Union rapidly broke apart, ending the Cold War.

I was a reporter for the Los Angeles Times that summer, and I was sent to Moscow to help cover the coup’s aftermath. For one story, I traveled to a rural area outside the Russian capital to interview troops who had been sent to Moscow by the coup-plotters but had left the city after the takeover failed.

The troops who had so recently threatened to bring down the government were by then picking cabbages because farmworkers had largely disappeared during the crisis. The soldiers were happy to be doing farm work because they were getting paid extra on top of their military salaries, a rare benefit that stemmed from the government’s concerns about an imminent food shortage. The impoverished conditions of those soldiers connects directly to what Prigozhin has been saying about the incompetence and corruption of the Russian government today and its casual waste of soldiers’ lives on the battlefield in Ukraine. A key part of his argument for staging a coup is that the war has been fought to enrich Russian elites.

Russian soldiers “came here as volunteers, and they died to let you lounge in your mahogany offices,” Prigozhin said in a May video directed at Russia’s military leaders. “You are sitting in your expensive clubs, your children are enjoying good living and filming videos on YouTube. Those who don’t give us ammunition will be eaten alive in hell!”

Reporting on the 1991 coup in Moscow was much different; back then, the story was far more accessible to Western reporters. In speaking to the soldiers picking cabbages outside Moscow, as well as their commanders, I quickly learned that they had no idea why they had been sent to the capital. No one had told them they were part of a coup attempt, so when they had arrived in the city, they’d simply parked their tanks and waited for orders. The orders never came, because the coup-plotters lost their nerve.

A big question now is whether Prigozhin will also lose his nerve in the coming days.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230624174116/https://theintercept.com/20
23/06/24/russia-putin-yevgeny-prigozhin-wagner/

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Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
On this day in 1940 USSR occupied Lithuania to prevent them forming “anti-soviet government”. This was followed by “Elections” that were “won” by pro-USSR party who “voted to join USSR”.

Imagine doing that in today’s day and age…
1:16 AM · Jun 15, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1669227414168248322

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
On this day 1940 USSR invaded Estonia & Latvia to prevent them "forming an anti-Soviet alliance" in an operation that had absolutely nothing to do with a secret clause in our first treaty with Nazis.

Imagine today invading smaller neighbours for completely made up reasons…
7:36 AM · Jun 16, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1669685430936129541

Darth Putin @DarthPutinKGB
“Elections" with the presence of Russian soldiers followed, then a "request" to join the USSR.

Does this sound familiar?
7:36 AM · Jun 16, 2023
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1669685437453983747

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 2:28 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

And just like that.... it was over.

Some say this is all about Prigozhin - a combination of greed, hubris, ambition, PTSD. Maybe feeling used an abused. They say he developed political ambitions of his own and thought he could take on the Russian MOD.

Some say Prigozhin was bought off or compromised by the west, to launch this distraction at a critical time during Ukraine's offensive, while NATO will be considering more money to Ukraine

Some say this was all a big Russian psyop, that allowed Russia and Belarus to ID treasonous forces and also to move troops north to near Kharkov without anyone noticing in all of the confusion.

NOTE to Kasparov: There are no Ukrainian 'victories

EDITED TO ADD: Whatever is going on behind the scenes it's clear that Prigozhin was, and is, being handled with kid gloves. He's been mouthing off for months, calling out Shoigu and Gerasimov and claiming (falsely it seems) that Russian troops turned and ran, that the MoD wasn't supplying him with enough munitions and weapons, that a Russian military group fired on his troops, and (most recently) that Russian troops struck one of his camps with a missile. All of this should have had him brought up on charges a long time ago. Maybe the Kremlin knew he was falling apart and needed him to finish Bakhmut B4 they cut him loose. Maybe Prigozhin has some sort of deal with, or Kompromat on, Putin. Maybe Shoigu and/ or Gerasimov are as incompetent as claimed.

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

And just like that.... it was over.

It is not over as long as the mutineers are left alive. If Putin is ever to re-establish his authority, he may resort to desperate violence and repression.

The meaning of Prigozhin’s short-lived mutiny

Vladimir Putin’s inability to prevent it means he failed at his most important task

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/06/25/the-meaning-of-prigozhins
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IN THE SPRING of 2022, at the moment when it became clear that Russia’s invasion had begun to falter, the generals planning Ukraine’s campaign grasped that their resistance on the battlefield could turn Russian commanders against each other. Infighting and disunity, they calculated, would be a crucial step in bringing home to Russia and its people that the war was unwinnable—and that the country was paying an intolerable price to satisfy the vanity of their president, Vladimir Putin. It was one route to victory.

Little can they have imagined that their wishes would be so spectacularly fulfilled. On the evening of June 23rd Yevgeny Prigozhin mutinied, along with his irregular troops in the Wagner mercenary group. Over the next 24 hours, they captured Rostov-on-Don, Russia’s ninth-largest city, and embarked on a lightning-fast 1,000km charge towards Moscow, before striking a deal and turning around with about 200km to go. Having criticised the botched invasion, Mr Prigozhin was calling for the defence minister and the chief of the general staff to be sacked.

It is still unclear whether either man has gone, or is about to. But Mr Prigozhin, who has apparently gone into exile in Belarus (for the time being, at least), has inflicted severe damage on Mr Putin and his war. Wagner’s troops are supposedly going back to the bases they left on June 23rd. By contrast, Russia and its weakened president find themselves stuck in dangerous new territory. Tactically, the war will be harder to fight. Strategically, it will be harder to win. And Mr Putin’s leadership has been gravely undermined.

In terms of tactics, the Wagner mutiny has divided and distracted the Russian army. In the trenches its men will know that, while they are being ordered to give up their lives for a war that Mr Prigozhin has branded as corrupt, their commanders are squabbling among themselves over power and influence. In the barracks officers will be splitting their attention between the war and their own futures. They know that, if there is a power struggle, they need to end up on the right side.

For Ukraine, by contrast, the mutiny is an opportunity. Its counter-offensive, now three weeks old, has fallen behind schedule. Although most Ukrainian forces still remain in reserve, progress has been hard. There could be no better moment to break through Russian lines. It is surely no accident that the Ukrainians appear to be trying to retake Bakhmut, purchased with the blood of thousands of Wagner troops and which ordinary Russians perceive as their side’s only gain over the past year. If Ukraine wins back the town, it will underline Mr Prigozhin’s message to ordinary Russians that Mr Putin and his generals are failing.

Secondly, the mutiny has undermined Russia’s strategy. Ever since his initial assault failed, Mr Putin’s theory of victory has been that the West would come to believe that backing Ukraine is a waste of money and effort. However, Mr Prigozhin has shown that time may not be on Mr Putin’s side after all.

Russia cannot just keep doing the same thing over and over again. Now that Wagner has shown how thin Russia’s defences are, Mr Putin needs to reinvigorate his command and replenish his troops. And yet, if he embarks on a fresh mobilisation, he risks stirring up popular discontent. When Mr Putin stands in front of a camera and insists that his “special military operation” is proceeding according to plan, he wants to send the message that he will never, ever back down. After Mr Prigozhin’s escapade, he risks coming across as deluded.

That leads to the third and most significant dimension of this 24-hour drama: its effect on Mr Putin’s leadership. Russia’s president has been humiliated. Wagner and Mr Prigozhin, an ex-convict who ended up as a Kremlin fixer, are his creations. In the Russian system, Mr Putin governs by managing the potentially lethal competition between rival factions. He oversees an armed truce. His inability to prevent Wagner’s mutiny means that he failed at his most important task.

Mr Putin has also discovered the limits of his people’s loyalty. Wagner took Rostov, a command centre for the war in Ukraine, without firing a shot. Some of its citizens appeared to greet Wagner men with food and water and cheered Mr Prigozhin as a hero. For the most part, the regular army stood back and watched while a gang of mercenaries dashed towards Moscow. That presents Mr Putin with a dilemma. To show strength, he must now purge the army and the Kremlin of all those who showed disloyalty. But that will disrupt the war and risks stirring up trouble from those who perceive that they could be targets. And yet, if he holds off, Mr Putin will signal that he is not confident his orders will be followed — and that will embolden plotters, too.

Mr Putin has been shown up as weak, too. In a furious address to the Russian people on Saturday morning, he denounced Mr Prigozhin’s “betrayal” and vowed a harsh punishment. However, the charges against Mr Prigozhin have now been dropped as part of a deal apparently negotiated with a helping hand from Alexander Lukashenko, the president of Belarus. In Mr Putin’s world, powerful leaders do not let people off and they do not ask for help from the junior dictator next door.

In his address Mr Putin evoked memories of 1917, when Russian troops abandoned the front and turned against their own government. Nobody can say whether the Wagner mutiny has started something that will bring down Mr Putin. He could struggle on. But this weekend, with his comparison to the October revolution, Mr Putin betrayed his own fears. If he is ever to re-establish his authority, he may resort to desperate violence and repression. For the sake of Russia and the world, the hope must be that any such possibility has already slipped beyond his reach.

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Putin is laughing at you right now.

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Putin is laughing at you right now.

Why not compare Putin to Trump? 6ix, you should have written: "Putin will be fine."

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Putin is laughing at you right now.

Why not compare Putin to Trump?

Because I'm not a mindless lemming or an MSNBC anchor.

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Sunday, June 25, 2023 10:40 PM

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Nuclear Falseflag on Zaporozhye NPP Heats Up + Major Wagner Updates and More
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Jun 25, 2023

The situation can only be considered urgent as Ukraine has now made their full intentions crystal clear. If before we suspected with high confidence, now it is plain fact. They intend to destroy the ZNPP plant as a last ditch attempt to ‘activate NATO’ by blaming Russia.

A completely coordinated campaign over the last few days has affirmed this. Not only was Budanov’s maiden speech after reappearing from his Kalibrated cranial trepanation centered on Russia’s alleged ‘mining of the ZNPP’ basement, but now several new instances of highly coordinated messaging have been released by Ukraine and its Western controllers.

(I re-post Budanov’s video just to have them all here in one place for easy reference)
https://simplicius76.substack.com/api/v1/video/upload/a3d7ae92-46eb-45
1d-9a4f-16ed2ad583fc/src?override_publication_id=1351274&type=mp4In fact, since that video from days ago, he’s released a new, even more urgently threatening message:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/25/7408481/

“The 4th and 6th power units of the Zaporozhye NPP were mined by Russia,” – Kyrylo Budanov "The situation has never been as serious as it is now.

The plan of the terrorist attack at the ZNPP has been fully developed and approved. To accelerate the catastrophe, they can use technical means," Budanov stated

Now, Zelensky has made two separate videos where he plainly states that Russia is preparing a massive terrorist attack at the ZNPP plant “just like they did at the Kakhovka dam”. He goes on to sternly warn the world and charge them with the responsibility to act with utmost severity in response to this upcoming Russian attack. He specifically invokes the threat of radiation crossing the borders into other NATO countries for obvious effect.

And a day later, in coordinated fashion, Lindsay Graham threatened Russia with massive NATO retaliation should Russia use any type of “nuclear” aggravation:

He even put forth a new resolution which specifically quotes the ‘destruction of a nuclear facility’ and ‘dispersing radioactive contaminants’ as an attack on NATO itself:

Obviously, this is quite ironic and hypocritical given that it was the U.S. and UK that just announced the supply of radioactive DU ammunition, which does exactly what Graham here describes in spreading radioactive contaminants.

... to begin building the groundswell of the narrative, the Ukrainian health ministry even released these preparatory safety alerts for citizens to stay safe during a nuclear radiation accident:

MORE, WITH LINKS TO ORIGINAL SOURCES, AT https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/nuclear-falseflag-on-zaporozhye-np
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Ukrainian officials continue to report that Russia relies on sanctions evasion schemes to acquire foreign components for weapons production. Ukrainian Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) representative Vadym Skibitsky reported on Jun 25 that Russia imports these components under the guise of household goods from countries that have not joined international sanctions regimes against Russia.[59] Skibitsky also reported that Russian officials secure access to critical components by creating temporary shell joint ventures and enterprises that act as one-time conduits for imports before disappearing.[60]

Russian occupation authorities continue to weaponize policy regarding children to consolidate social and administrative control of occupied areas. The Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Ministry of Internal Affairs announced on June 24 that LNR authorities held a ceremony to “award” youth in occupied Krasnodon Russian passports following their 14th birthdays.[62] The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that occupation authorities in Berdyansk and Melitopol, Zaporizhia Oblast, are forcing schoolchildren to write letters to Russian soldiers.[63] The Ukrainian Resistance Center additionally noted that Russian occupation officials are using summer holidays to escalate measures to deport children from southern and eastern Ukraine to Russia under the guise of “rest and relaxation” measures.[64]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
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Monday, June 26, 2023 10:43 AM

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Ukrainian officials continue to report

You should have stopped reading right there.
I know I did.
Have you been keeping track AT ALL of "Ukrainian officials'" track record for honesty?

Of course not!

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Monday, June 26, 2023 2:01 PM

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Ukrainian officials continue to report
You should have stopped reading right there.
I know I did.
Have you been keeping track AT ALL of "Ukrainian officials'" track record for honesty?

Of course not!

Signym, you are just the dumbest commie I've ever come across, with Jaynestown and Jack fighting it out to be a close second.

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Monday, June 26, 2023 3:00 PM

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Ukrainian officials continue to report

SECOND: You should have stopped reading right there.
I know I did.
Have you been keeping track AT ALL of "Ukrainian officials'" track record for honesty?
Of course not!

THUGR: Signym, you are just the dumbest commie I've ever come across, with Jaynestown and Jack fighting it out to be a close second.

And you think calling me a "dumb commie" is an adequate response?

You STILL haven't gotten it??? You STILL think that "the news" has anything to do with real events? Dood, IT'S A STORY. Maybe it has 10% truth in it, maybe it's a total lie. The only things politicians and the media and the security state care about are:
Can you be induced to believe it?
Will it have the desired effect?

Hunter Biden laptop is "Russian disinfo": total lie
Jan 6 "insurrection": reporting tortured to the point of unrecognizibility
Trump! Russia! collusion!: Total malicious fabrication spun out for years
Iraq WMD: Total fabrication, constructed over 6 months
Ghost of Kiev: Total fabrication

Seriously, dood, apply the same lack of credulity to our media that you apply to anyone else's, bc it's just as dishonest.

READ EVERYTHING, BELIEVE NOTHING.

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Monday, June 26, 2023 5:39 PM

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Ukrainian commander drops a live grenade into a trench of his own soldiers after they refuse a(nother) suicide attack, kills a platoon

Military Summary Channel
Begins appx 15:20

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Monday, June 26, 2023 8:43 PM

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Signym, you are just the dumbest commie I've ever come across, with Jaynestown and Jack fighting it out to be a close second.

T

Explain yourself, pedophile.

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Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:02 AM

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Ukraine likely to have retaken land occupied by Russia since 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66029380

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Ukraine likely to have retaken land occupied by Russia since 2014

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66029380

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Sure they have. Gotta justify all that money laundering in the eyes of idiots like you and Ted.

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Russia is contemplating nuking the West because every Russian problem is America's fault, once again reminding the world that Russians are crazy:

The Americans and their allies are actually playing Russian Roulette. True, so far Russia’s reaction to the destruction of the Nord Stream pipelines, drone attacks on a strategic air base in Engels, the incursion of Western-armed saboteurs into the Belgorod region, and many other actions of Ukraine, backed and directed by Washington, has been relatively reserved. As President Putin recently made it clear, there are serious grounds for such reserve. The Supreme Commander-in-Chief said that Russia has the ability to destroy any building in Kiev, but it will not stoop to the methods of terror the enemy uses. However, Putin also said that Russia is considering different options for destroying Western combat aircraft if they are deployed in NATO countries but used in the war in Ukraine.

Until now, the Russian strategy in the Ukraine conflict has allowed the enemy to ramp up the hostilities. The West used this in an attempt to wear Russia out on the battlefield and destabilize it from the inside. Following the same path makes no sense for us. On the contrary, it makes sense to refine and update our nuclear deterrence strategy, taking into account the practical experience gained during the conflict in Ukraine. The current doctrinal provisions were worded not only before the start of the special military operation, but apparently without a clear understanding of what might happen during it.

Apart from purely military considerations, Russia’s foreign strategy also includes foreign-policy, information, and other aspects. We should send our main adversary an unambiguous ? not verbal anymore ? signal that Moscow will not play at giveaway and by the rules set by the opposite side. At the same time, we should build a trust-based dialogue with our strategic partners and neutral states, explaining the motives and goals of our actions. The possibility of using nuclear weapons during the current conflict should not be hushed up. Such a perspective, real not theoretical, should serve as an incentive to curb and stop conflict escalation and ultimately pave the way for a strategic equilibrium in Europe that suits us.

As for possible Russian nuclear strikes on NATO countries, hypothetically speaking, Washington is unlikely to respond to these strikes by attacking Russia for fear of its retaliation against the United States. The absence of such a reaction will dispel the myth built for decades around Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty and will lead to the deepest crisis in NATO, perhaps even to its collapse. It cannot be ruled out that the Atlantic elites in NATO and EU countries will panic and will be swept away by national forces, which will realize that the security of their countries does not depend on the non-existent U.S. “nuclear umbrella,” but on building equitable relations with Russia. It may also be quite possible that America will finally leave Russia alone.

https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/ukraine-and-nuclear-weapons/

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Russia is not a strong nation, a former KGB agent has said during a state television broadcast in the wake of the Wagner mutiny which shook the Kremlin over the weekend.

Andrey Bezrukov, former KGB sleeper agent who is now a Professor at the MGIMO University of International Affairs, says the Prigozhin rebellion demonstrates that Russia is neither a strong nor a normal nation.

"This couldn't happen in a strong nation," Andrey Bezrukov said on the Russia-1 television channel, in a clip posted to Twitter by Julia Davis, who runs the Russian Media Monitor account.

"For 20 years, the President has been working on this," Bezrukov said, in a translation provided by the social media account, adding: "Our goal is to turn this nation into a strong country, a normal country where these things would be impossible."

"We should be building a great country," he continued. "We can't keep evolving in this manner."

Bezrukov was living and working as a sleeper agent under the name Donald Howard Heathfield, until he and his wife, another Russian agent known as Tracey Lee Ann Foley, were arrested by the FBI in the U.S. in 2010. The pair were deported to Russia in a spy swap, and their story inspired the hit television show, The Americans.

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-mutiny-wagner-group-strong-country-ex-
kgb-state-tv-yevgeny-prigozhin-vladimir-putin-1809215

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Activision @Activision

We would like to formally apologize for using Russia as antagonists in our Call of Duty series. Had we known the truth we would have used a much more competent military, such as Cuba or Laos.
2:25 PM ¦ Feb 28, 2022

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1500872828945637379

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Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:31 PM

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Kiev has changed it's "counteroffensive" tactics, which lost them 15 pct of western tanks. Instead of clumsy "combined arms" offensives where they threw a lot of men and weapons against prepared defenses, only to see huge losses, Kiev is now sending small units of light infantry in minor "probing attacks". The front line is still essentially static, fighting in the south remains in the gray zone and hasn't reached Russia's first defense line.

Russian strikes on Ukraine continue.

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Wednesday, June 28, 2023 9:03 PM

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Apparently there was a strike against a Ukraine -controlled hotel in Kramatorsk which took out a pizza place next door. Some say that many foreign mercs/volunteers/advisors were killed the the strike, as well as some civilians including children in the pizza place next door.

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Thursday, June 29, 2023 12:05 AM

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Activision @Activision

We would like to formally apologize for using Russia as antagonists in our Call of Duty series. Had we known the truth we would have used a much more competent military, such as Cuba or Laos.
2:25 PM ¦ Feb 28, 2022

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1500872828945637379

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At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.

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At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.

Says the Nazi who doesn't recognize he is a Nazi. Direct your “Heil Hitler!” to Trump, the head Nazi.

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - Solid majorities of Americans support providing weaponry to Ukraine to defend itself against Russia and believe that such aid demonstrates to China and other U.S. rivals a will to protect U.S. interests and allies, according to a Reuters/Ipsos survey.

The two-day poll that was concluded on Tuesday charted a sharp rise in backing for arming Ukraine, with 65% of the respondents approving of the shipments compared with 46% in a May poll.

Eighty-one percent of Democrats, 56% of Republicans and 57% of independents favor supplying U.S. weapons to Ukraine, according to the latest poll.

The survey was conducted just days after Yevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the private Wagner mercenary company, launched and then called off a mutiny over what he charged was the Russian defense ministry's mishandling of the war in Ukraine.

The findings appeared to provide firmer backing for U.S. President Joe Biden's policy of doing "whatever it takes" to assist Ukraine in recapturing territory that Russia seized in an initial assault in 2014 and its full-scale invasion 16 months ago.

"This definitely reinforces Biden's decision to be all-in on this," said William Taylor, a former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine now with the U.S. Institute of Peace.

"The Republican leadership of the House and Senate will also take heart from this," Taylor said. Some right-wing Republican lawmakers have opposed continuing U.S. military support for Ukraine.

The Biden administration has approved 41 weapons packages for Ukraine totaling more than $40 billion since Russian President Vladimir Putin launched what he calls "a special military operation" in February 2022.

The online Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted nationwide, collecting responses from 1,004 adults, including 400 Democrats and 383 Republicans. It had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of about 4 percentage points in either direction.

The poll found that 76% of Americans believe that providing aid to Ukraine demonstrates to China and other rivals that the United States has "the will and capability to protect our interests, our allies and ourselves."

In other findings, the survey said large majorities of Americans - 67% and 73% - are more likely to support a candidate in next year's U.S. presidential election who will continue military aid to Ukraine and one who backs the NATO alliance.

https://www.reuters.com/world/most-americans-support-us-arming-ukraine
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At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.
Says the Nazi who doesn't recognize he is a Nazi. Direct your “Heil Hitler!” to Trump, the head Nazi.

There's my Reaverfan.

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At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.

SECOND: Says the Nazi who doesn't recognize he is a Nazi. Direct your “Heil Hitler!” to Trump, the head Nazi.

'While visions of genocide danced in SECOND'S head...'

Says the liar who calls others liars, the Nazi who calls others Nazis, the troll who calls others trolls, the killer who claims others kill, the sociopath who sees evil in everyone else.

'But I pay my taxes!!! and 'I don't overeat!/ are your only claims to being a 'good person'?

Say, did you know Hitler was a vegetarian and was nice to his dog?
Likely he never killed anyone either https://historywench.com/2016/11/17/hitler-kills/ And I'll bet he paid his taxes, too.
He was obviously a better person than you!

Troll

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Second's straight up on tilt now. I've even got him posting baseless personal attacks with increasing frequency in the Cinema board. But not without first quoting part of something I said and responding with something not at all related to what he quoted, as per usual.

I wonder if his imaginary wife left with his imaginary daughters, or maybe one of his imaginary cats died.

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.

SECOND: Says the Nazi who doesn't recognize he is a Nazi. Direct your “Heil Hitler!” to Trump, the head Nazi.

'While visions of genocide danced in SECOND'S head...'

Says the liar who calls others liars, the Nazi who calls others Nazis, the troll who calls others trolls, the killer who claims others kill, the sociopath who sees evil in everyone else.

'But I pay my taxes!!! and 'I don't overeat!/ are your only claims to being a 'good person'?

Say, did you know Hitler was a vegetarian and was nice to his dog?
Likely he never killed anyone either https://historywench.com/2016/11/17/hitler-kills/ And I'll bet he paid his taxes, too.
He was obviously a better person than you!

Troll

Hey TWO, can you believe it? Hitler was good to his dog and likely never killed anyone. What the fuck is wrong with these two. They don't think Hitler killed anyone. He killed millions and in a brutal fashion.

Want a new lamp shade? Here try this its the latest fashion. I call it Jew skin pink. Wow these two are sick.

T

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At least they weren't using Nazis. That's kind of played out in current year.

SECOND: Says the Nazi who doesn't recognize he is a Nazi. Direct your “Heil Hitler!” to Trump, the head Nazi.

SIGNY: 'While visions of genocide danced in SECOND'S head...'

Says the liar who calls others liars, the Nazi who calls others Nazis, the troll who calls others trolls, the killer who claims others kill, the sociopath who sees evil in everyone else.

'But I pay my taxes!!! and 'I don't overeat!/ are your only claims to being a 'good person'?

Say, did you know Hitler was a vegetarian and was nice to his dog?
Likely he never killed anyone either https://historywench.com/2016/11/17/hitler-kills/ And I'll bet he paid his taxes, too.
He was obviously a better person than you!

Troll

THUGR: Hey TWO, can you believe it? Hitler was good to his dog and likely never killed anyone. What the fuck is wrong with these two. They don't think Hitler killed anyone. He killed millions and in a brutal fashion.

Want a new lamp shade? Here try this its the latest fashion. I call it Jew skin pink. Wow these two are sick.

Sarcasm doesn't register with you?

But, to the point: UNLIKE SECOND, who claims to have shot people in Vietnam from a helicopter, Hitler most likely did not PERSONALLY kill anyone.

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Say, did you know Hitler was a vegetarian and was nice to his dog?
Likely he never killed anyone either https://historywench.com/2016/11/17/hitler-kills/ And I'll bet he paid his taxes, too.
He was obviously a better person than you!

If you had to decide what the stupidest thing Hitler did was, what would you pick? Besides, you know, being a racist fascist? The invasion of the Soviet Union is a good option, as is the subsequent abandonment of Moscow to split his forces against Stalingrad and the oil fields. Taking on Italian failures in North Africa and committing needed resources there is also solid. The use of amphetamines and encouraging its use by his troops? The fascination with wonder weapons (V1, V2, Jet aircraft)?

All solid, defensible choices. But I have an easily overlooked alternative: A failure to properly fund his U-boat fleet, the actual wonder weapon that worked, had a good record, and could have knocked Britain and its empire out of the war. If Hitler had just signed off on a purchase order of U-boats for Admiral Karl Donitz, he might’ve won. These boats inflicted stunning losses with the average U-boat sinking four Allied ships per patrol. In the first months of 1942, sinkings skyrocket and Germany sunk almost 900,000 shipping tons per month, 50% higher than Donitz's plans.

So, what went wrong? Short answer: Not all U-boats returned to port and Hitler didn’t buy replacements for the losses.

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Russia Has Reached a Dead End

An indifferent response to a warlord’s march on Moscow heralds the dawning realization that Russia has no good way out in Ukraine.

By Greg Yudin

Yevgeny Prigozhin had his reasons for launching a mutiny over the weekend. For all the inconsistencies, Prigozhin’s speech carried an overarching message that was entirely clear: Putin fails to execute his own plans. His system is so inefficient that it cannot win the war it started.

Prigozhin’s statements can seem chaotic, but they are not improvisations. Rather, the mercenary warlord commands a team of spin doctors and speechwriters that has been running political campaigns in Russia for years. His appeals to various discontented constituencies, from military hawks to anti-war pragmatists, are based on a careful analysis of the tendencies and moods in Russian society. And that analysis yields a singular conclusion: More and more Russians feel that the country has reached a dead end.

In Ukraine, no visible path leads to a Russian victory. Putin keeps inventing stories about how Russia will inevitably prevail: First, it was supposed to win easily by removing the government in Kyiv, then by seizing the Donbas, then by destroying Ukraine’s crucial infrastructure, then by freezing Europeans last winter, then by waiting until the West grew tired of supplying Ukraine with weapons. Many in Russia were once willing to believe Putin’s fairy tales, but few can now pretend to believe a good end is in sight. Rather, a defeat is looming, and even though the word is virtually prohibited for public use, it comes up more and more often in private conversations. In his public appearance during the mutiny, Putin finally hinted at the real possibility of a defeat, openly invoking the “dagger in the back” metaphor that was used to fuel resentment in Germany after it lost in World War I.

In Moscow, where I was that Saturday afternoon, the city streets were eerily empty, even though no curfew or evacuation had been declared. On a public bus, I overheard conversations that mentioned the mutiny, but not with strong emotion. Muscovites seemed calm, as if such a thing had long been bound to happen and would be greeted with indifference.

Prigozhin’s aborted march on Moscow made clear that Putin was no longer the arbiter of a conflict among warlords: He was himself part of the conflict, which was why not he but Belarus’s president, Aleksandr Lukashenko, served as its mediator. And although the two forces at odds on Saturday could hardly be classified as supporters versus opponents of the war in Ukraine, the deeper import of their standoff is the unspoken acknowledgment that the invasion, and with it Russia, has reached a dead end. Nobody has a working plan, all responsibility is delegated, and the president keeps doing what is clearly not working, while his power gradually erodes. Russia is reckoning with the fact that it cannot continue like this.

Today this recognition enters Russia through the loathsome figure of Yevgeny Prigozhin. But the Wagner Group leader’s uncanny crusade is probably a sign of things to come. Russia needs a way out of the impasse, and Putin is unlikely to offer one. Even getting rid of Prigozhin will not change this basic fact. His march may be the last call to start the search for a way out.

More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-has-reached-a-dead-end/ar-
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How to End Russia’s War on Ukraine

Safeguarding Europe’s Future, and the Dangers of a false peace

Chatham House report 27 June 2023

Ukraine’s Western backers debate the likely endgame for the war and its aftermath. The international response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, while impressive in many ways, remains inadequate to the task and wobbly.

Many proposals have been put forward for how the conflict could, or should, be brought to a close. Some, though well-intentioned, involve concessions that would effectively appease Russia.. Persistent calls for a ceasefire or ‘negotiated settlement’ to end the fighting without tackling its underlying cause – Russia’s ambition to eliminate Ukraine as we know it – will do no more than reward the aggressor while punishing the victim.

This multi-author report takes nine commonly espoused ideas for quick fixes or objections to bolstering assistance to Ukraine, and weighs them against both current reality and their long-term consequences. The unanimous conclusion of the authors is that the only outcome to the war that can safeguard the future security of Europe is a convincing Ukrainian victory – hence, Western military support to Kyiv should be redoubled before it is too late.

Summary

• It’s now or never for Ukraine. A protracted or frozen conflict benefits Russia
and hurts Ukraine, as does a ceasefire or negotiated settlement on Russia’s terms. If Ukraine is to avoid these outcomes and turn tenacious defence and incremental battlefield gains into outright victory, it needs far more ambitious international military assistance than it has received to date. This report presents the case for an immediate and decisive increase in such support, seeks to dispel overhyped concerns about provoking Russia, and counsels against accommodating Moscow’s demands.

• Ukraine’s need is all the more pressing because the United States - the principal donor of financial and military aid to Kyiv - is entering an election cycle that could soon reduce US foreign policy engagement or ultimately result in a more inward-looking administration in Washington. Increasing the West’s supply of weaponry for Ukraine now would, in addition to helping ongoing military actions against Russian forces, provide a measure of insulation against any future weakening of US solidarity.

• The argument for Western military and diplomatic resolve is reinforced by the impacts of Russian aggression beyond Ukraine itself. Not only is European security under threat, but the viability of the rules-based international order is potentially at stake. With this full-scale invasion, Russia has directly challenged arrangements that have helped to secure peace for over 70 years. The world will be safer with Russia defeated soundly on the battlefield than with an ambiguous outcome that, for instance, institutionalizes Ukrainian territorial losses.

• The search for peace is fraught with pitfalls. Any temporary solution that preserves, or partially preserves, the battlefield status quo will buy time for Russian forces to regroup after recent heavy losses and prepare for the next onslaught, while leaving Ukraine enfeebled and less than fully sovereign. While a diplomatic solution seems attractive to many in the West, and may suspend hostilities for a period, it would merely postpone an essential reckoning with Russia and is pointless without an achievable long-term plan for Ukraine’s security in place.

• Backing a full and unambiguous Ukrainian victory is essential on practical grounds. Although recent increases in Western supplies of munitions and other hardware are welcome, the fundamental solution to many of the problems raised in this report remains: that Ukraine still needs a massive influx of weaponry. Without it, Ukraine will cease to exist as a sovereign state and an emboldened Russia will continue its imperialist campaign of expansionism against neighbours and aggression against perceived adversaries, democratic and otherwise, the world over. In the longer term, backing Ukraine will serve to deter other aggressors while potentially sowing the seeds for positive political change in Russia.

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The Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, has a range of about 190 miles, enough for Ukrainian forces to strike Russian targets far behind the front lines. President Biden hasn’t signed off on the transfer, in part out of concern among U.S. officials that Ukraine could use it to strike Russian territory and escalate the conflict into a wider war.

Officials said that the matter is pending approval at the highest levels and that the deliberations could continue while the U.S. assesses the situation on the ground in Ukraine. Officials in the U.S. and Europe have seen signs, however, that previously reluctant quarters of the U.S. government, namely the White House, have come to see an urgent need to bolster Ukraine’s fight in the coming weeks.

Amid the domestic turmoil in Russia, where over the weekend the founder of the Wagner mercenary force staged an abortive mutiny, U.S. and European officials indicated that now might be the time to provide the more advanced weaponry.

The U.S. had publicly said that it continues to review its assistance to Ukraine based on battlefield dynamics, but officials privately were saying that ATACMS remained off the table as recently as two months ago.

However, with questions over how Ukraine will fare in its recently launched spring offensive, and momentum building after the recent clash between Russia’s military and mercenary forces, U.S. and European officials said the tone in Washington has shifted.

ATACMS rockets, which are fired from the Himars launcher, would enable Ukrainian forces to hit Russian nodes for logistics, command and control well behind front lines. The precision-guided missiles can hit GPS-located targets identified by intelligence with pinpoint accuracy, impeding Russia’s ability to put its rear-echelon operations out of Ukrainian reach.

The long-distance range of the missiles would likely force Russia to withdraw supplies and command posts to more than 200 miles from the front, making it more difficult to supply battle troops.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-close-to-approving-long-range-atacms-
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Russian forces begin to flee Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

Some ZNPP employees have also been instructed to leave the plant by 5 July. Meanwhile, intelligence reports that the Russian occupiers have instructed the personnel who remain at the station to "blame Ukraine in the event of any emergency".

Budanov said he was convinced that the Russians’ plan to blow up the ZNPP had been fully prepared and approved, and the threat had never been as great as it is now.

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For Beijing, last weekend’s mutiny against Vladimir Putin was a cautionary tale.

By Howard W. French

JUNE 30, 2023, 9:54 AM

Throughout most of the ongoing war in Ukraine, a truism has held across most of the American political spectrum, from left to right, about the second-order effects of the conflict’s outcome. A Ukrainian victory would strengthen the position of the United States vis-à-vis China globally, while a Russian victory would achieve the opposite.

It is easy to see how takes like this gain such a strong foothold. Analysts are quick to apply sweeping, abstract constructs to their assessments of major world events. This time, that has meant a supposed worldwide faceoff between authoritarianism and democracy. Beyond such considerations, many have tried to imagine the Ukraine conflict’s effects on Chinese thinking about Taiwan. Here again, it is supposed that a Ukrainian victory against a vastly larger invading adversary would be deflating for China, lowering the risk of any near-term attempt to take control of Taiwan by force. And a Russian victory, which now seems quite unlikely, would produce the opposite effect.

But while we are busy imagining, there is a more interesting puzzle that has so far received surprisingly little attention involving China, Russia, and Ukraine, and that involves the way Beijing views the recent attempt by Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin to drive his private army all the way from the Russian southwestern borderlands to Moscow, to either overthrow President Vladimir Putin, kidnap his top defense officials, or lodge a dramatic patriotic protest, depending on whose interpretation one takes of last weekend’s shocking news from the country. Here, “puzzle” is the only appropriate word, not because we don’t know what really motivated Prigozhin or who, if any, his co-conspirators within the Putin system may have been, but because high-level Chinese thinking on global events of the first rank are utterly shrouded in a black box.

What is publicly known is that China’s leader, Xi Jinping, made an unusually strong statement of sympathy toward Russia and Putin early last year, when he spoke of their friendship as having “no limits.” China has been at pains since then to say that this does not mean the two countries have entered into an alliance, and Beijing ever since has been caught in a delicate and even costly balancing act, trying to show support for Moscow in various ways, through public statements and high-level diplomatic exchanges. To avoid incurring high costs in its already troubled relationship with Washington, this has required Beijing to avoid the least appearance of providing lethal weapons to Putin’s flagging army. And to avoid serious damage to relations with Europe, China has had to maintain the pose that it is not so much interested in a Russian victory as it is in some sort of scarcely defined just and peaceful outcome. But European countries that feel threatened by Putin’s recklessness and exasperated by the cost of the conflict seem less and less inclined to believe in China’s good offices.

What, though, do the Chinese themselves think of the latest events out of Russia? If Beijing ever placed any stock in the idea that Russia and China were together defending the virtues of authoritarianism against an unending onslaught of what is fancied as Western liberalism and democracy, any such illusions by now must be cold and six feet under. There is no longer any possible way to understand or interpret Putinism that could make China comfortable with a close ideological pairing or even comparison.

Much has been made of China’s growing authoritarianism under Xi, but it is hard to imagine that Xi looks upon the degraded spectacle of Russia with anything less than quiet contempt. Xi has famously required members of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to study and derive lessons from the demise of the Soviet Union under Mikhail Gorbachev. His own synoptic assessment of how that erstwhile superpower collapsed is that it lost its nerve, meaning it didn’t have the guts to fight to defend and sustain its own system. Putin clearly has the will to keep fighting for power, but in the view of Xi, can Putin be said to have a system worth fighting for? China’s own history from the mid-20th century until now says otherwise.

One of the foundational principles of Mao Zedong, whose victory against Nationalists in a long civil war led to the establishment of the People’s Republic of China, was that the country’s military must at all times remain under the clear and unambiguous control and at the service of the CCP. Every leader since Mao has clung to this line, and none more so than Xi, who has doubled down.

But China’s history holds even older reasons to feel repelled by Russia’s unrelenting decay under Putin. For decades prior to the CCP victory in 1949, the country was constantly riven by warlordism. Here is where the spectacle of today’s Russia comes most sharply into critical focus. As if pursuing history in reverse, Putin has increasingly relied on warlords and militias to shore up his power and pursue strategic goals.

A murderous earlier round of this involved Chechnya at the turn of the century, when Putin relied on forces loyal to Akhmad Kadyrov to put down a separatist rebellion there. Last year in Ukraine, Putin went even beyond doubling down on that strategy, leaning heavily on Prigozhin’s paramilitary Wagner Group in order to conquer and reabsorb into Russia not just any component of the former Soviet Union, but the largest country in Europe by territory.

He might have heeded Machiavelli, who wrote: “Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious, and without discipline.” That’s reaching back to the 16th century, though, which China, with its own deep traditions of statecraft, would probably view as unnecessary, especially because its own history of the last century is so rich in cautionary examples.

This helps explain why Beijing was silent for so long after Prigozhin’s short-lived insurrection, or whatever it was, began. It was embarrassing, and for the duration, no one there could have wanted to be associated too closely with Russia. When Beijing finally began to comment, it was to merely express the bland wish that its neighbor could somehow preserve its national stability.

None of this should suggest that China is going to wash its hands of Russia or of Putin. How could it? They are nuclear-armed neighbors linked by many things, from Russia’s growing dependence on China as a buyer of its hydrocarbons, to the flow of Chinese economic migrants into the lightly populated borderlands of the Russian far east.

There is no doubting that China once strongly modeled itself after the Soviet Union. Even Mao’s personalized rule and many attempts by Russia to define and police political orthodoxy have not changed that. What is gone, though, at least as long as Putin remains in power, is any thought that the two countries still share any substantive ideology. Even from Beijing, the criminalized authoritarianism of Putin must look cringeworthy. Distrust the smiles. Far from an ally, Russia increasingly stands out as a problem.

Howard W. French is a columnist at Foreign Policy, a professor at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, and a longtime foreign correspondent.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/06/30/china-russia-ideological-affinity
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Russian forces begin to flee Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant

Some ZNPP employees have also been instructed to leave the plant by 5 July. Meanwhile, intelligence reports that the Russian occupiers have instructed the personnel who remain at the station to "blame Ukraine in the event of any emergency".

Budanov said he was convinced that the Russians’ plan to blow up the ZNPP had been fully prepared and approved, and the threat had never been as great as it is now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-forces-begin-to-flee-zapo
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Unlike Kiev, which uses civilians as human shields, Russians evacuate areas where they expect to be attacked.

Kherson
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63243313
'18 communities'
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-evacuates-civilians-from-parts-of-
ukraine-ahead-of-kyiv-counteroffensive-282e6421
nine villages in Belgorod, Russia
https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-live-russia-calls-054010236.html

for example, small villages and hamlets in the southeast 'gray zone' where kiev had launched its 'counteroffensive', (and lost so many amored vehicles) ...names none of us would recognize... had already been evacuated by russia.

all this means is that russia expects ukraine to attack the znpp, and ukraine hopes to blow up at least part of it and blame russia:

blow up nordstream, blame russia
blow up the khakova dam, blame russia
blow up znpp... blame russia

that's the pattern, innit?

USA, NATO desperate for a 'win' ahead of the NATO summit in vilnius july 12. YOU may be fooled by western propaganda, but the rest of the world isn't.

BTW, shift keys aren't working, and not gonna go back and correct everything using caps lock.

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Friday, June 30, 2023 12:46 PM

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speaking of biden* desperation

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Biden administration could soon approve sending controversial cluster munitions to Ukraine
By Natasha Bertrand, CNN
Updated 3:10 AM EDT, Fri June 30, 2023

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-war-live-russia-calls-054010236.html

OMFG, seriously? kiev already did this with 'petal' bombs and flechettes ... and blamed russia, of course!

Russia apparently also has cluster munitions in its arsenal but they claim theirs self-defuse in 24 hours instead of lying around unexploded for some civilians to set off, and AFAIK russia hasn't used cluster munitions (so far). they use the much more destructive -but also targeted - thermobaric bomb.

the only reason for biden* to consider using this is bc kiev is getting its ass handed to it, and our collective 'wunder waffe' - javelins, m777, HIMARS, patriot missile defense, leopard tanks, bradleys, etc haven't done much for kiev, and they don't expect fighter jets to do much either.

do you see how we (the collective west) have ramped up our aid to more and more lethal weapons as kiev continues to flounder? THAT is not a sign of 'winning'!

signs of USA/NATO/Kiev desperation would include more attacks on civilian targets, an attack on ZNPP, 'dirty bombs', stinger missiles, and WMD. why don't we go with agent orange and carpet bombing while we're at it?

yep, must be bc we're 'winning'.
/snark

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that's the pattern, innit?

There is only one pattern: Russia is poor and belligerent because Russians are stupid and noxious people compared to the EU. This has been the Russian way for centuries, but the Russians take care not to see how their own actions established and maintained the pattern.

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Quote:
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that's the pattern, innit?
There is only one pattern: Russia is poor and belligerent because Russians are stupid and noxious people compared to the EU. This has been the Russian way for centuries, but the Russians cannot see how their own actions established and maintained the pattern.

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you're a lying sack of shit, SECOND, and anyone who believes you is too stupid to breathe.
troll

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you're a lying sack of shit, SECOND, and anyone who believes you is too stupid to breathe.
troll

The Ukrainians will keep fighting Russians because Russians killed 4 million Ukrainians during Holodomor. Russians deny they did what they did and they probably believe their own lies but Ukrainians don't because they were on the receiving end of the Russian mass murder spree inside Ukraine, one of many mass murder sprees Russians have gone on over the centuries. This war is just the most recent murder spree by Russians.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Holodomor

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[some] ukrainians will keep fighting bc the USA keeps telling them to. other ukrainians are fighting on the other side.

But when we (or they) have to use WMD and start targeting masses of civilians, it's clear that we (or they) don't have support of 'the people '.

Btw- Zelenskiy cancelled elections for the foreseeable future. Hooray for democracy!

so ... whatever.

troll.

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