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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Monday, June 5, 2023 9:36 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Apparently Ukrainian attacks were repelled and Kiev lost more than 16 tanks and 3,000 soldiers killed or wounded.

Apparently, no tanks and few soldiers were lost, but phantom victories haunt Russian minds. Just wait. Any day now Russia will crush Ukraine. At least that is what Russian State TV News says. The glorious victory, a repeat of the Great Patriotic War, is almost, but not quite, here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Patriotic_War_(term)

These guys look like future victims, not victors.

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Monday, June 5, 2023 10:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Fuck Ukraine.

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Monday, June 5, 2023 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.

Ukraine will flush Russia down the toilet. 6ix, you already flushed yourself. As for America's other millions of angry white trash Trump voters, their addictions, their guns used to commit suicide, their divorces, their poor health because of self-abuse, their mental illnesses, their children who hate them, and their terminations from jobs because of incompetence, will flush themselves without any help as 6ix flushed himself. In response, 6ix, please don't brag about how well your life is going because your lying is sad and unconvincing as are Russian lies:

Russia bragged that it easily defeated a Ukrainian tank attack, but even pro-Russia bloggers say the battle didn't go well

Semen Pegov, who blogs under the name WarGonzo, said the situation at the front line near Velyka Novosilka in Donetsk Oblast was "becoming more and more disturbing with each passing hour," the Kyiv Independent reported.

"The situation is heating up," he said, according to the Kyiv Independent. "The attack is much more serious than yesterday."

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-claims-defeat-ukrainian-tank-at
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Monday, June 5, 2023 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.

Ukraine will flush Russia down the toilet.



Russia will crush Ukraine.

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In response, 6ix, please don't brag about how well your life is going because your lying is sad and unconvincing as are Russian lies:



My life is awesome. How was work today, honey?

Your mom hates you.



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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:51 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Fuck Ukraine.

Ukraine will flush Russia down the toilet.



Russia will crush Ukraine.



Looks like Ukraine is being flushed down the toilet as we speak...



Ukraine accuses Russia of destroying major dam near Kherson, warns of ecological disaster

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-flood-evacu
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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine on Tuesday accused Russian forces of blowing up a major dam and hydroelectric power station in a part of southern Ukraine that Russia controls, sending water gushing from the breached facility and threatening possible massive flooding and what officials called an “ecological disaster.” Ukrainian authorities ordered hundreds of thousands of residents downriver to evacuate.

Russian officials countered that the Kakhovka dam was damaged by Ukrainian military strikes in the contested area.

The fallout could have broad consequences: Flooding homes, streets and businesses downstream; depleting water levels upstream that help cool Europe’s largest nuclear power plant; and draining supplies of drinking water to the south in Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed.



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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 6:26 AM

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Looks like Ukraine is being flushed down the toilet as we speak...

6ix, the Russians versus the West has always been about the Russian leaders' mental illnesses and their obedient followers. Trump voters versus the 21st Century has always been about their leader's mental illnesses and the followers' feelings of unease and disgust with everything unfamiliar. The leadership gives its crazy marching orders to their Russians and their Trumptards, who then do tremendous damage to countries because there are not enough insane asylums to hold them all.

Next, the crazy Russians will be blowing up nuclear power plants than saying the Ukrainians did it. "A vast Soviet-era dam in the Russian controlled part of southern Ukraine was blown on Tuesday. Both sides blamed the other for destroying the dam." That's the crazy Russian way.

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The Russian Black Sea Fleet is attempting to mitigate complications with logistical support in occupied Crimea by shifting resources to mainland Russia. Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Natalia Humenyuk reported on June 5 that Russian forces are transferring the Black Sea Fleet’s logistics centers from Sevastopol, occupied Crimea, to Novorossiysk, Krasnodar Krai.[21] Humenyuk stated that Russian forces are moving the logistics centers because of widespread logistical and ammunition provision issues in occupied Crimea.[22] Humenyuk noted that Russian amphibious ships are continuing to maneuver in the Black Sea and enter Sevastopol, but that the overall center of gravity of the Black Sea Fleet appears to be shifting towards Novorossiysk.[23] Recent strikes on Russian concentration areas, logistics hubs, and transportation assets in southern Ukraine may be causing increased anxiety over the security of the Black Sea Fleet, and the move to Krasnodar Krai is likely in part reflective of this fact.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-5-2023


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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 8:31 AM

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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 12:56 PM

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Journalists Are Asking Ukrainian Soldiers To Hide Their Nazi Patches, NYT Admits
...The surprising Monday Times headline said that "Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History." This acknowledgement comes after literally years of primarily indy journalists and geopolitical commentators pointing out that yes indeed... Ukraine's military and paramilitary groups, especially those operating in the east since at least 2014, have a serious Nazi ideology problem.



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/journalists-are-asking-ukrainia
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Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History



A soldier resting in a trench. A small bag on his belly bears a blue and yellow patch with a black skull emblem on it.
An image of a Ukrainian soldier wearing a patch containing the Totenkopf symbol, an example of Nazi iconography, that was posted on the Twitter account of Ukraine’s Defense Ministry, then deleted.
Credit...Vlad Novak, via Ukraine MOD Twitter account
Thomas Gibbons-Neff

By Thomas Gibbons-Neff
Published June 5, 2023
Updated June 6, 2023, 10:59 a.m. ET

KYIV, Ukraine — Since Russia began its invasion of Ukraine last year, the Ukrainian government and NATO allies have posted, then quietly deleted, three seemingly innocuous photographs from their social media feeds: a soldier standing in a group, another resting in a trench and an emergency worker posing in front of a truck.

In each photograph, Ukrainians in uniform wore patches featuring symbols that were made notorious by Nazi Germany and have since become part of the iconography of far-right hate groups.

The photographs, and their deletions, highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II.

That relationship has become especially delicate because President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has falsely declared Ukraine to be a Nazi state, a claim he has used to justify his illegal invasion.


Falsely???
Oh, of course... Azov and Kraken and other unit patches, the wulfsangel signs and Nazi tats and worship of Stepan Bandera, Ukrainian Nazi, are just meaningless Ukrainian nostalgia.

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Ukraine has worked for years through legislation and military restructuring to contain a fringe far-right movement whose members proudly wear symbols steeped in Nazi history and espouse views hostile to leftists, L.G.B.T.Q. movements and ethnic minorities. But some members of these groups have been fighting Russia since the Kremlin illegally annexed part of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014 and are now part of the broader military structure. Some are regarded as national heroes, even as the far-right remains marginalized politically.

The iconography of these groups, including a skull-and-crossbones patch worn by concentration camp guards and a symbol known as the Black Sun, now appears with some regularity on the uniforms of soldiers fighting on the front line, including soldiers who say the imagery symbolizes Ukrainian sovereignty and pride, not Nazism.

uh huh. Because they'd come right out and say so?

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In the short term, that threatens to reinforce Mr. Putin’s propaganda and give fuel to his false claims that Ukraine must be “de-Nazified” — a position that ignores the fact that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is Jewish.
Yanno, there WERE Nazi Jews. Soros, for example.

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More broadly, Ukraine’s ambivalence about these symbols, and sometimes even its acceptance of them, risks giving new, mainstream life to icons that the West has spent more than a half-century trying to eliminate.

“What worries me, in the Ukrainian context, is that people in Ukraine who are in leadership positions, either they don’t or they’re not willing to acknowledge and understand how these symbols are viewed outside of Ukraine,” said Michael Colborne, a researcher at the investigative group Bellingcat who studies the international far right. “I think Ukrainians need to increasingly realize that these images undermine support for the country.”

So Bellingcat doesn't worry about actual Ukrainian Nazism, just that people in the west KNOWINNG about it will turn them off to Project Ukraine? So the answer then is to....what? Just scrub western reporting so that we don't see evidence of it?

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In a statement, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said that, as a country that suffered greatly under German occupation, “We emphasize that Ukraine categorically condemns any manifestations of Nazism.”

So far, the imagery has not eroded international support for the war. It has, however, left diplomats, Western journalists and advocacy groups in a difficult position: Calling attention to the iconography risks playing into Russian propaganda. Saying nothing allows it to spread.

Even Jewish groups and anti-hate organizations that have traditionally called out hateful symbols have stayed largely silent. Privately, some leaders have worried about being seen as embracing Russian propaganda talking points.

Questions over how to interpret such symbols are as divisive as they are persistent, and not just in Ukraine. In the American South, some have insisted that today, the Confederate flag symbolizes pride, not its history of racism and secession. The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was

blah blah blah ...

and then they go into a fake erudite discussion about symbology
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.h
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Ukie troops wearing Nazi patches makes as much sense as American troops wearing Nazi patches.

But I see why SECOND feel such affinity for the Nazi element of Ukraine, since he's steeped in the same Nazi anti-Rusdian rhetoric.



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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:11 PM

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1000s Evacuated As Massive Wall Of Water Surges Through Ukraine After Major Dam 'Blown Up'
Tuesday, Jun 06, 2023 - 04:20 AM

Images and videos posted on social media show a major dam and hydroelectric power plant in the Russian-occupied region of Kherson, located in southern Ukrainian, destroyed early Tuesday. Water rushed through the dam into the Dnieper River, which separates Ukrainian and Russian forces. Both sides accuse each other of the attack that puts tens of thousands of homes at risk and might even threaten the safety of Europe's largest nuclear power plant.
Source: Washington Post

It was not immediately clear who was responsible for blowing up the Nova Kakhovka dam. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy posted a drone video showing the damaged dam as water gushed downriver. Zelenskyy blamed "Russian terrorists."

Russian terrorists. The destruction of the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant dam only confirms for the whole world that they must be expelled from every corner of Ukrainian land. Not a single meter should be left to them, because they use every meter for terror. It’s only… pic.twitter.com/ErBog1gRhH



Well, when Ukrainian or American forces are found responsible for the destruction, we won't have to argue about whether it's terrorism, bc Zelenskiy already said it was. And since America blew up Nordstream we KNOW they have no compunction against blowing up critical and environmentally sensitive infrastructure.

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The situation appears critical as Ukraine's state power agency said the damaged dam poses an additional threat to Europe's largest nuclear power plant, Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station.

"Water from the Kakhovka Reservoir is necessary for the station to receive power for turbine capacitors and safety systems of the ZNPP. The station's cooling pond is now full: as of 8:00 a.m., the water level is 16.6 meters, which is sufficient for the station's needs," the agency said.



This is what makes me extremely doubtful that Russia destroyed the dam. Since they hold the power plant, it makes as much sense for Russia to put the power plant at risk as it dies for them to shell their own position there.

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Bakhmut No Longer Under Russian Control, Prigozhin Says

Days after forces from Russia's Wagner Group withdrew from Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, its chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said the city is no longer under Russian control, and that troops under the leadership of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov are fleeing.

Ukrainian forces have now retaken part of the settlement of Berkhivka, north of Bakhmut, Prigozhin said, calling it "shameful."

https://www.newsweek.com/bakhmut-russia-ukraine-wagner-group-prigozhin
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Wagner boss rubbishes Russian claims of Ukrainian casualties

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin dismissed Russia's claims to have inflicted heavy losses on Ukraine in the Donbas when Kyiv attempted offensive action.

Prigozhin said the claims were "simply wild and absurd science fiction".

But Russia's defence ministry doubled down on the claims on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65825304

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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:30 PM

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IMHO Progozhin has lost it. Bakhmut is firmly in Russia's hands, and Progozhin wasn't anywhre near the latest fighting, so how would he know?

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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:47 PM

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IMHO Progozhin has lost it. Bakhmut is firmly in Russia's hands, and Progozhin wasn't anywhre near the latest fighting, so how would he know?

Tell me how you know where Prigozhin was and what he knows. I am really curious about how you achieve so much "certainty".

And while you are at it, explain your "certainty" in this statement: "And since America blew up Nordstream we KNOW they have no compunction against blowing up critical and environmentally sensitive infrastructure."

Did Seymour Hersh tell you? Seymour Hersh’s Nord Stream Theory: Fact or Fiction?
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/seymour-hershs-nord-stream-theory-
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The US bombing Nord Stream was fiction. Fact: Ukraine was behind the Nord Stream bombing all along

It turns out that the country behind the September 2022 bombing of the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline was almost certainly Ukraine—and US government officials have known it all along. The Washington Post reported this today based on intelligence leaks from the Discord Papers:

Details about the plan, which have not been previously reported, were collected by a European intelligence service and shared with the CIA in June 2022....The highly specific details, which include numbers of operatives and methods of attack, show that for nearly a year Western allies had a basis to suspect Kyiv in the sabotage.

....European officials in several countries have quietly suggested that Ukraine was behind the attack, but resisted publicly saying so over fears that blaming Kyiv could fracture the alliance against Russia. At gatherings of European and NATO policymakers, officials have settled into a rhythm as one senior European diplomat said recently, “Don’t talk about Nord Stream.”

The European intelligence made clear that the would-be attackers were not rogue operatives. All those involved reported directly to Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, the country’s highest-ranking military officer, who was put in charge so that Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, wouldn’t know about the operation, the intelligence report said.

Details of the Ukranian operation that were shared by the intelligence source are strikingly similar to evidence gathered by German law enforcement:

For instance, the Ukrainian individual that informed the European intelligence service in June said that six members of Ukraine’s special operations forces using false identities intended to rent a boat and, using a submersible vehicle, dive to the floor of the Baltic Sea then damage or destroy the pipeline and escape undetected. In addition to oxygen, the team planned to bring helium, which is recommended for especially deep dives.

German investigators now believe that six individuals using fake passports rented a sailing yacht in September, embarked from Germany and planted explosives that severed the pipelines, according to officials familiar with that investigation. They believe the operatives were skilled divers, given that the explosives were planted at a depth of about 240 feet, in the range that experts say helium would be helpful for maintaining mental focus.

Investigators...have linked Ukrainian individuals to the rental of the boat via an apparent front company in Poland. Investigators also suspect that at least one individual who serves in the Ukrainian military was involved in the sabotage operation.

Ukraine certainly makes more sense as a saboteur than either Russia, which had little reason to bomb its own pipeline, or the United States, which had already been mostly successful at persuading Germany to halt imports of Russian gas.

One interesting aspect of this is that it's yet another example of Ukraine's remarkable wartime proficiency. Just as Russia's performance in the war has been surprisingly poor, I don't think anyone expected Ukraine to be as capable and skilled on the battlefield as they have been. That the pipeline bombing, a complex and sophisticated undertaking, was conducted in secret and without a hitch, is further testimony to the Ukrainian military's fundamental competence.

https://jabberwocking.com/ukraine-was-behind-the-nord-stream-bombing-a
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P.S. For Signym: That Ukraine blew up a Russian pipeline means that Ukraine did not blow up a Ukrainian dam. Why? Ukrainians don't destroy their own property, but Russians destroy Ukrainian property every day without worrying about paying for the damage.

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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:33 PM

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IMHO Progozhin has lost it. Bakhmut is firmly in Russia's hands, and Progozhin wasn't anywhre near the latest fighting, so how would he know?


SECOND: Tell me how you know where Prigozhin was and what he knows.



How do YOU, Nazi troll?




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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:39 PM

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You know Joe Biden* blew up the dam.

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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:41 PM

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You know Joe Biden* blew up the dam.

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Well, he* blew up Nordstream.
Sounds like a State Dept/neocons/CIA/Kiev secret op, with implausible deniability all around.

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How much is Russia spending on its invasion of Ukraine? May 30th 2023

By historical standards, it’s a puny amount. That tells you three big things

SINCE RUSSIA invaded Ukraine in February 2022 it has caused enormous damage. Thousands of people have died and billions of dollars’ worth of infrastructure has been destroyed in Ukraine. Yet all this damage has come at a relatively mild cost to Russia. As we have reported, its economy is holding up much better than almost anyone expected. And the direct fiscal cost of the war—what it is spending on men and machines—is surprisingly low.

Russia’s budget is murky—especially its military one. So our estimate of what Russia is spending on invading Ukraine is imprecise. However, in consultation with various experts, and using our own analysis, we have come up with a figure. In essence this involved taking the Russian government’s pre-invasion forecast of what it would spend on defence and security, and comparing that with what it is actually spending. That would put the cost of its invasion at 5trn roubles ($67bn) a year, or 3% of GDP.

That is, by historical standards, a puny amount. We compiled estimates of spending on other wars—some involving Russia, some not. At the peak of the second world war the USSR spent 61% of GDP on the war effort. Around the same time America spent about 50% of GDP on its military forces.

Three reasons explain why Russia is spending so little. The first is political. Many within the Russian government would like to continue to portray the war on Ukraine as a “special military operation”. It would hardly make sense for such an operation to cost a double-digit percentage of GDP.

The second is economic. Russia would struggle to expand the war effort without costing its citizens dearly: printing money would spur inflation, eroding living standards; loading up banks with public debt might have a similar effect; tax rises or a big shift in public expenditure towards defence would also eat into personal incomes. This is a problem for Vladimir Putin, who has presidential elections in 2024. Mr Putin’s victory seems certain, but he does not want the potential embarrassment of large demonstrations, as happened for example in legislative elections in 2011. “Of course, national defence is the top priority,” he said recently, “but in resolving strategic tasks in this area, we should not repeat the mistakes of the past and should not destroy our own economy.”

The third reason relates to defence economics more broadly. Today’s armed forces are far more efficient than the ones of the past. They need ever fewer people and their machines are ever more accurate. The economic theory of “cost disease” suggests that high-productivity sectors tend to command a smaller share of GDP over time (unlike something like health care, which tends to take up a bigger share). Spending a lot less than you did in 1945 can still buy you a powerful army.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/05/30/how-much-is-russia
-spending-on-its-invasion-of-ukraine


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Tuesday, June 6, 2023 9:45 PM

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In other words, no sweat off Putin's balls.

Meanwhile, child rapist Zelensky has spent over $150 Billion in US taxpayer dollars and will run out by September if we don't give him more.

Go Joe*!

Keep that sunk cost fallacy up in perpetuity until the US Dollar is worthless.

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In other words, no sweat off Putin's balls.

Meanwhile, child rapist Zelensky has spent over $150 Billion in US taxpayer dollars and will run out by September if we don't give him more.

Go Joe*!

Keep that sunk cost fallacy up in perpetuity until the US Dollar is worthless.

The US Defense Department wrote on May 31, 2023: In total, the United States has committed more than $30.4 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden Administration. Since 2014, the United States has committed more than $32.4 billion and more than $29.8 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on Feb. 24, 2022. I get the feeling that 6ixStringJack is Stupid and Crazy and Dishonest. He'd make a fine Russian. And 6ix, just like Trump, does not pay taxes so all the whininess about tax dollars is his nuttiness.

https://www.defense.gov/Spotlights/Support-for-Ukraine/Timeline/

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Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia can be seen from space

The Economist
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2023/06/05/ukrainian-advances
-on-donetsk-and-zaporizhia-can-be-seen-from-space


Satellite data can be used to track the counter-offensive

AFTER MONTHS of speculation, Ukrainian forces appear to have begun their long-awaited counter-offensive. On June 4th Russian military sources reported that Ukrainian forces had launched assaults on five axes in Russian-occupied Donetsk province, in the east of the country. Ukrainian sources have been keeping conspicuously quiet. As news from the ground slowly filters out, The Economist has built a model that uses satellite data to give a glimpse of the conflict from the skies.

Our system relies on satellites that circle over Ukraine twice a day and use thermal imaging to detect high-temperature events in places unobscured by clouds. We use a machine-learning system to estimate whether these events are related to the war, by comparing patterns with what was observed before Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022. It is far from perfect, but it offers a consistent and neutral guide to probable military activity in the country.

Examining the data from June 4th and 5th, the model identified war-related fires at several points along the frontline. Most of these fires were concentrated around the cities of Zaporizhia (Ukrainian-held) and Donetsk (Russian-held), where there were reports of significant escalation in the night between June 4th and 5th. Russian forces claim to have repelled most of the attacks.

Although our model can be used to track the counter-offensive, war-related fires may be the result of Russian attacks as well as Ukrainian ones. The model detected fires in the Ukrainian city of Dnipro, where airstrikes on June 3rd, thought to be caused by Russian missiles, killed a child and injured 22 people. In recent days the number of war-related fires has been higher in Ukrainian-held or contested territory than in firmly Russian-controlled areas.

The overall number of war-related fires has not increased in the past few days. This might be because of the limitations of the data: comparing the raw number of fires through time can be difficult as the satellite captures only a snapshot in time as it flies over. Many analysts believe that Ukraine is currently only probing Russian forces, looking for vulnerabilities—or creating them—before committing its strongest units and artillery firepower. If the Ukrainians truly have begun their counter-offensive, and the weather stays clear, our model may detect far more activity in the days to come.

Inspect all our code, data, and models on GitHub. https://github.com/TheEconomist/the-economist-war-fire-model
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Statements by US and European officials are generally consistent with ISW’s October 2022 forecast that the Russians have a greater and clearer interest in flooding the lower Dnipro despite the damage to their own prepared defensive positions and forces than the Ukrainians.[29] ISW previously assessed on October 21, 2022, that Ukraine has no material interest in blowing the dam and pointed out that 80 settlements would risk flooding.[30] Ukrainian officials confirmed on June 6, 2023, that 80 settlements risk flooding as a result of the damage.[31] ISW further assessed that by contrast, Russia may use the flooding to widen the Dnipro River and complicate Ukrainian counteroffensive attempts across the already-challenging water feature.[32] Russian sources have expressed intense and explicit concern over the possibility that Ukraine has been preparing to cross the river and counterattack into east bank Kherson Oblast.[33] Available footage from June 6, corroborated by claims made by Russian milbloggers, suggests that the flooding washed away Ukrainian positions near the Dnipro shoreline and forced Ukrainian formations to evacuate while under Russian artillery fire.[34]

Ukrainian officials acknowledged that Russian formations and positions on the east bank may have been caught off guard and threatened by the flooding due to the topography of the area, some Ukrainian officials suggested that this was a result of the chaotic handling of the intentional detonation of the dam by Russian forces.[35] Some Russian sources indicated that the damage to the dam could threaten the water supply to occupied Crimea, but ISW previously noted that Crimea survived without water from the Dnipro River in the years between Russia‘s initial illegal annexation in 2014 and when water access was restored following the 2022 full-scale invasion.[36] There is also the possibility, of course, that pre-existing structural damage to the dam eventually caused breakage and flooding, as some sources have additionally suggested, although reports of noises like explosions are not necessarily consistent with this notion.[37] ISW cannot offer a definitive assessment of responsibility for the June 6 incident at this time but finds that the balance of evidence, reasoning, and rhetoric suggests that the Russians deliberately damaged the dam.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-6-2023


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Originally posted by second:
Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia can be seen from space

Funny but that's not what the article says.

Quote:

war-related fires may be the result of Russian attacks as well as Ukrainian ones.
Ya think?
Quote:

The overall number of war-related fires has not increased in the past few days. ... IF the Ukrainians truly have begun their counter-offensive...


There is literally nothing in the article about a Ukrainian advance. Anywhere. In fact, they apparently can't even detect a counteroffensive yet. A more accurate title would be

"Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia might be able to be seen from space"

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Surveillance video from November 2022 shows explosions at the Kakhovka dam

There were explosions at Ukraine's Kakhovka dam in early November 2022. British military intelligence at the time said it was almost certainly the work of Russian forces using controlled detonations.



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There is literally nothing in the article about a Ukrainian advance. Anywhere. In fact, they apparently can't even detect a counteroffensive yet. A more accurate title would be

"Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia might be able to be seen from space"

"All is going as planned." - Russian State TV

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Russian forces conducted another large-scale missile strike across Ukraine on the night of June 5-6. Ukrainian military sources reported that Russian forces launched 35 Kh-101/555 cruise missiles from six Tu-95 bombers over the Caspian Sea and that Ukrainian air defense shot down all 35 missiles.[41] The Ukrainian General Staff also reported that Russian forces targeted Kharkiv City with S-300 surface-to-air missiles.[42] Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Natalia Humenyuk noted that the fact that Russia only launched Kh-101/555-type missiles and returned all sea-based Kalibr missile carriers to their base points before the strike may suggest that Russia is running out of Kalibrs to launch.[43] Humenyuk’s comments are consistent with periodic Ukrainian tallies of the numbers of Kalibrs remaining and Russia’s capacity to produce them. [44] The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that Russian aerospace forces conducted the strike with long-range air-launched missiles against Ukrainian ”decision-making centers” and struck all intended targets.[45] The UK MoD reported on June 5 that Russian forces have recently heavily relied on Iranian drones to try to attrit Ukrainian air defense missile capabilities, but the fact that Ukraine is still managing to employ air defense systems against cruise missiles to such high effect suggests that these Russian efforts have been largely unsuccessful.[46]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-6-2023


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Prigozhin again hit out at the Russian Defense Ministry. "There is no management, there is no planning, there is no preparation, there is no mutual respect," he said. "And then all this is replaced by tantrums at the top...We will now suffer serious losses, I am absolutely sure of this. We will certainly lose part of the territories."

The southern front line south of Zaporizhzhia has been touted as one of the most likely locations for the expected Ukrainian counter. If Ukrainian troops can break Russian lines there, they could drive south to liberate Melitopol and onto the Sea of Azov coast, severing Moscow's land bridge to Crimea.

The situation in this area, Prigozhin said, is a "catastrophe." He added: "Novodonetskoye has already been taken. And if the troops retreat further, to a depth of 5 to 8 kilometers, this means that then there will be an uncontrolled entry of the enemy."

"We understand that at least another 50 percent of the inhabitants of this territory will help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Therefore, as soon as they go a little deeper, then they will go to Berdyansk and Mariupol, and it will be impossible to stop them."

Newsweek has contacted the Russian Defense Ministry by email to request comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-offensive-broken-through-russian-line
s-prigozhin-bakhmut-donetsk-zaporizhzhia-1804946


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In other words, no sweat off Putin's balls.

Meanwhile, child rapist Zelensky has spent over $150 Billion in US taxpayer dollars and will run out by September if we don't give him more.

Go Joe*!

Keep that sunk cost fallacy up in perpetuity until the US Dollar is worthless.

The US Defense Department wrote on May 31, 2023: In total, the United States has committed more than $30.4 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since the beginning of the Biden Administration. Since 2014, the United States has committed more than $32.4 billion and more than $29.8 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on Feb. 24, 2022.



Lies by your puppet masters.

Here are the real numbers:

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/congress-approved-113-billion-aid-ukraine-2
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I get the feeling that 6ixStringJack is Stupid and Crazy and Dishonest. He'd make a fine Russian. And 6ix, just like Trump, does not pay taxes so all the whininess about tax dollars is his nuttiness.


No. It's not nuttiness. Everything costs more because of Joe Biden*.

Even people who aren't paying Federal Tax are paying taxes through the worst inflation most Americans have ever gone through under the current administration.

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Quote:

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Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia can be seen from space

Funny but that's not what the article says.

Quote:

war-related fires may be the result of Russian attacks as well as Ukrainian ones.
Ya think?
Quote:

The overall number of war-related fires has not increased in the past few days. ... IF the Ukrainians truly have begun their counter-offensive...


There is literally nothing in the article about a Ukrainian advance. Anywhere. In fact, they apparently can't even detect a counteroffensive yet. A more accurate title would be

"Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia might be able to be seen from space"





Being Russian comrade Signym wouldn’t know that you probe an enemy as you start an offensive. You’re looking for weak spots and even strong areas of resistance you may want to avoid. You look for areas you can take advantage of. This is what is happening now.

Russia just moves forward in a disorganized manner, no matter how many soldiers needlessly die. It’s why Russia is losing.

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Only Russia isn't losing.

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Quote:

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Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia can be seen from space

SIGNY: unny but that's not what the article says.

Quote:

war-related fires may be the result of Russian attacks as well as Ukrainian ones.
Ya think?
Quote:

The overall number of war-related fires has not increased in the past few days. ... IF the Ukrainians truly have begun their counter-offensive...


There is literally nothing in the article about a Ukrainian advance. Anywhere. In fact, they apparently can't even detect a counteroffensive yet. A more accurate title would be

"Ukrainian advances on Donetsk and Zaporizhia might be able to be seen from space"

THUGR: Being Russian comrade Signym wouldn’t know that you probe an enemy as you start an offensive. You’re looking for weak spots and even strong areas of resistance you may want to avoid. You look for areas you can take advantage of. This is what is happening now.

With you being Russian, THUGR, apparently you have problems with English.

I wasn't saying there wasn't a counteroffensive happening. I was just commenting on the stupid headline, which pretends that something is in the article that isn't even there.

According even to you, there are no "advances" along the front. Just "probing".

I just heard a funny summary of Kiev's description of the counteroffensive so far: Don't say it's happening until you achieve a breakthrough somewhere. Until you do (and as you suffer losses) claim that these are "probing attacks" or (if bigger) "reconnaisance in force" or (if bigger still) "shaping operations".

I expect to see those designations from Kiev for the foreseeable future and extravagant publicity if Kiev achieves a 10-km advance anywhere.
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Putin's Shifting Strategy

Anders Åslund, an economist and adjunct professor at Georgetown University, Washington, DC, said that the conflict has now entered a "new phase."

"Putin has gradually changed strategy," Åslund, who has served as an economic adviser to the governments of Russia and Ukraine, told Newsweek.

"During the first week of the war, the Russians just tried to go in and take everything. They did not bomb anything but really military targets," he said.

Russian forces then targeted Ukraine's critical infrastructure from October 2022 in retaliation for an attack on the Kerch bridge. This links the annexed Crimea peninsula to Russia. Kyiv denied responsibility.

"First, they went for the [power] grid, and then, from January, they went for the power stations. So they have gone deeper and deeper into infrastructure, in steps," said Åslund.

He drew a comparison between the dam's destruction and how Iraqi President Saddam Hussein set oil wells on fire in 1991 when he was forced out of Kuwait.

"When you have lost territory, then you destroy it," Åslund said. "I think that this is something that you do when you give up. It's not an offensive action but sour grapes. [Russia is saying], 'We have lost the apple; we are destroying as much as possible.'"


Domestic Stability

Åslund said he believes the Russian leader has become increasingly concerned about his domestic stability in Russia. There have been recent attacks by Russian anti-Putin militia groups in the Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine.

"It's also important that these incursions into the bordering regions show that Russia cannot defend its own border. So, all of a sudden, Putin has spoken about it repeatedly, 'it's a question of our country's survival,'" Åslund said.

"They substantially changed tone from being aggressive to claiming some false victimhood,
but I think that he's really concerned about domestic stability now," Åslund added.

Newsweek has contacted the Russian Foreign Ministry via email for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-war-ukraine-new-phase-kakhovka-dam-floo
ding-russia-1804965


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For Ukrainians, Devastation Caused by Russians Destroying Dams Is No Surprise

In August 1941, Nazi troops swept through Soviet-era Ukraine and were believed to be approaching the southern city of Zaporizhzhia. Moscow – some say, under the direct orders of Josef Stalin – sent agents from the NKVD (the predecessor of the KGB/FSB) to blow up the city’s DniproHES hydroelectric dam.

The dam, which stood a few miles north of the town of Zaporizhzhia, was 760 meters long and 48 meters high. It raised the river level by almost 40 meters and made the Dnipro navigable over almost 2,000 kilometers by eliminating stretches of rapids.

The aim was to slow the Nazi advance and to deprive German forces access to the electrical power produced by the dam, as well as the large agricultural and industrial areas that existed on both sides of the Dnipro. The NKVD team used almost 20 tons of explosives to tear a 165-meter-long breach in the dam.

The destroyed dam released a tidal surge reaching ten meters in height at its peak. It washed away everything in its path, killed thousands of civilians in settlements along the Dnipro, devastating homes and villages along the coastal city strip, Khortytsia island marshes and the neighboring towns of Nikopol and Marhanets. It also killed Red Army troops and destroyed their defensive positions, as they had not been warned of the sabotage plan and, even if they had, would be totally unprepared to protect themselves from the power of the released water.

In echoes of yesterday’s attack on the Nova Kakhovka dam, Moscow disseminated information that claimed it was the Wehrmacht that had blown up the dam – they were helped in this attempted fiction by the several hundred unprepared Soviet troops who died both on the dam and downstream. The Soviets did not keep records of the death toll caused or the extent of the destruction, but based on an earlier census it is believed that as many as 100,000 Ukrainians died.

Historian Vladyslav Moroko believes that, in actual fact, the Germans had no plans to seize Zaporizhzhia at the time and had very few troops in the area. The NKVD team seem to have gone ahead anyway, afraid of being accused of failing to carry out Stalin’s orders.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/17942

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Putin's Shifting Strategy

Anders Åslund, an economist and adjunct professor at Georgetown University, Washington, DC, said that the conflict has now entered a "new phase."

"Putin has gradually changed strategy," Åslund, who has served as an economic adviser to the governments of Russia and Ukraine, told Newsweek.

"During the first week of the war, the Russians just tried to go in and take everything. They did not bomb anything but really military targets," he said.

Russian forces then targeted Ukraine's critical infrastructure from October 2022 in retaliation for an attack on the Kerch bridge. This links the annexed Crimea peninsula to Russia. Kyiv denied responsibility.

"First, they went for the [power] grid, and then, from January, they went for the power stations. So they have gone deeper and deeper into infrastructure, in steps," said Åslund.

He drew a comparison between the dam's destruction and how Iraqi President Saddam Hussein set oil wells on fire in 1991 when he was forced out of Kuwait.

"When you have lost territory, then you destroy it," Åslund said. "I think that this is something that you do when you give up. It's not an offensive action but sour grapes. [Russia is saying], 'We have lost the apple; we are destroying as much as possible.'"


Domestic Stability

Åslund said he believes the Russian leader has become increasingly concerned about his domestic stability in Russia. There have been recent attacks by Russian anti-Putin militia groups in the Belgorod region, which borders Ukraine.

"It's also important that these incursions into the bordering regions show that Russia cannot defend its own border. So, all of a sudden, Putin has spoken about it repeatedly, 'it's a question of our country's survival,'" Åslund said.

"They substantially changed tone from being aggressive to claiming some false victimhood,
but I think that he's really concerned about domestic stability now," Åslund added.

Newsweek has contacted the Russian Foreign Ministry via email for comment.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-war-ukraine-new-phase-kakhovka-dam-floo
ding-russia-1804965


OMFG.


So, let's see... Russia blew up its own gas pipelines to deny Germany natgas...when it could have simply turned off the taps?

And Russia was shelling the Zaparozhiy Nuclear Power Plant even tho they were positioned there?

And Russia blew up the Kakhova Dam even tho they were in control of it, to sweep away a Ukrainian advance (that wasn't happening) ...even tho they could have simply opened the gates???

How stupid do they think we are??
How stupid are YOU, Nazi troll?

Jeez!!




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OMFG.


So, let's see... Russia blew up its own gas pipelines to deny Germany natgas...when it could have simply turned off the taps?

And Russia was shelling the Zaparozhiy Nuclear Power Plant even tho they were positioned there?

And Russia blew up the Kakhova Dam even tho they were in control of it, to sweep away a Ukrainian advance (that wasn't happening) ...even tho they could have simply opened the gates???

How stupid do they think we are??
How stupid are YOU, Nazi troll?

Jeez!!

You, 6ix, Trump, and Russian State TV announcers have got two things in common: highly articulate and stupid. You can talk yourself and your kind into believing any old thing that makes you feel superior.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainians will be truly murdering 2 or more Russians for every Ukrainian that dies and Russians will be falsely claiming that they have a 10 to 1 or higher advantage in the kill ratio over the Ukrainians. Time will tell who is superior, but I'm betting it is the Ukrainians because the smartest Russians have been either emigrating or being executed since 1914. Either way, those smart Russians leave their homeland, and the Russians left behind get stupider and stupider, poorer and poorer, less and less fit for life. It is Russian-style evolution in action, creating a decidedly inferior race of Slavic human beings to run Russia.

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I think YOU'RE the one who keeps going on and on about how perfect you are and how stupid "Trumptards" are and how evil and subhuman Russians are, and how they deserve to be killed, Nazi troll

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I think YOU'RE the one who keeps going on and on about how perfect you are and how stupid "Trumptards" are and how evil and subhuman Russians are, and how they deserve to be killed, Nazi troll





You never answered my question comrade. Just an oversight, I’m sure. Tell me how long you have to stand online for a bag of potatoes. Are things as bad in Russia as we hear?

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Attacking Ukraine's Kakhovka Dam Fits Russia's Centuries' Old Pattern

by Christopher Atwood

All it takes is a brief review of Russian state television to understand what drives Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine. Just days before the destruction of the dam, a prominent Russian propagandist called for the destruction of "every living thing" in one of Ukraine's eastern regions in order to "punish and deter" Ukrainians for resisting Russian occupation. This state news rhetoric is rooted in a colonial understanding of Russia's own national and imperial history. There is a cruel, perverse irony in a now-viral tweet from the United Nations celebrating Russian language day, which very intentionally coincides with the birthday of Russian poet Alexander Pushkin. As Russian literature's most celebrated poet, Pushkin infamously derided Ukrainians as bandits and traitors in his poem Poltava. One of Ukraine's most prominent philosophers, Volodymyr Yermolenko, has argued that a direct line can be drawn from Pushkin's rhetoric to contemporary neo-imperial Russian narratives.

These narratives manifest in the genocide taking place against the Ukrainian people. According to Russian opposition media, Russian soldiers prevented Ukrainians from leaving the flooded areas near the Nova Khakhovka dam, telling civilians that "you're all going to die right here." This report follows a well-documented pattern of targeting Ukrainian civilians for destruction.

Yet this is not Russia's first attempt to destroy Ukrainian national identity. In the 1930s, Soviet leader Joseph Stalin forcibly starved to death millions of Ukrainians in a genocide known in Ukraine as the Holodomor. During that same decade, the Soviet police carried out a campaign to erase Ukraine's cultural leaders. As Ukrainian writer Oksana Zabuzhko has argued, Western countries made a grave mistake in attributing these atrocities to Communism alone. The problem was not simply the poisoned ideology of Marxism-Leninism. The problem was Russian colonial chauvinism, barely hidden beneath the guise of slogans such as "friendship of peoples."

Crucially, Ukraine stands on the front lines of not only the fight to preserve Western-style democracy, but it also stands as the most viable opposition to Russian colonialism as such. Russia has never confronted its colonial past, and its colonial chauvinism has continued to drive atrocities in Ukraine, along Russia's periphery, and in the colonized territories and republics within Russia.

Of course, this paints a bitter reality. Atrocities like the ones in Bucha, Irpin, Izium — and now the cities and villages near Nova Kakhovka — will continue until the root of the problem is addressed. The only way to end a colonial war is to win it.

Christopher Atwood is a specialist on Eastern Europe. He works at Razom for Ukraine and serves as the head of the Advisory Board at the Souspilnist Foundation. Follow him at https://twitter.com/tca1_?lang=en

https://www.newsweek.com/attacking-ukraines-kakhovka-dam-fits-russias-
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I think YOU'RE the one who keeps going on and on about how perfect you are and how stupid "Trumptards" are and how evil and subhuman Russians are, and how they deserve to be killed, Nazi troll

SECOND: Attacking Ukraine's Kakhovka Dam Fits Russia's Centuries' Old Pattern

by Christopher Atwood

All it takes is a brief review of Russian state television to understand what drives Russia's full-scale war against Ukraine. Just days before the destruction of the dam, a prominent Russian propagandist called for the destruction of "every living thing" in one of Ukraine's eastern regions in order to "punish and deter" Ukrainians for resisting Russian occupation.



Who? Links?

Besides,!"Every living thing" in what is, or was, eastern Ukraine would include an awful lot of Russian-speaking, pro-Russians.

That makes me think that this quote is bogus and the article is utter nonsense.

More bullshit from a Nazi troll.


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Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:17 PM

SIGNYM

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Hey, I can post long articles, too! The difference is, this one is funny and actually points to something teal.



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First There Were Neo-Nazis, Then There Were No Nazis, Then There Were
June 6, 2023

By Patrick Lawrence / Original to ScheerPost

I tell you, serving as a New York Times correspondent these days cannot be easy. You have to convey utter nonsense to your readers while maintaining a straight face and a serious demeanor. You have to suggest the Russians may have exploded a drone over the Kremlin, that they may have blown up their own gas pipeline, that their president is an out-of-touch psychotic, that their soldiers in Ukraine are drunkards using faulty equipment, that they attack with “human hordes” (Orientalism, anyone?) and on and on—all the while affecting the gravitas once associated with the traditional “Timesman.” You try it sometime.

I am reminded of that pithy passage in Daniel Boorstin’s regrettably overlooked book, The Image. “The reporter’s task,” Boorstin wrote in 1962, “is to find a way of weaving these threads of unreality into a fabric that the reader will not recognize as entirely unreal.”

Boorstin reflected on America’s resort to imagery, illusion, and distortion as Washington geared up its gruesome follies in Vietnam. The reporter’s task is a whole lot harder now, given how much farther we have wandered into illusion and distortion since Boorstin’s day.

And now we have the case of Thomas Gibbons–Neff, a square-jawed former Marine covering the Ukraine war for The Times—strictly to the extent the Kyiv regime permits him to do so, as he explains with admirable honesty. This guy is serious times 10, he and his newspaper want us to know.

Tom’s job this week is to persuade us that all those Ukrainian soldiers wearing Nazi insignia, idolizing Jew-murdering, Russophobic collaborators with the Third Reich, gathering ritually in Nazi-inspired cabals, marching through Kyiv in Klan-like torch parades are not what you think. Nah, our Tom tells us. They look like neo–Nazis, they act like neo–Nazis, they dress like neo–Nazis, they profess Fascist and neo–Nazi ideologies, they wage this war with the Wehrmacht’s visceral hatred of Russians—O.K., but whyever would you think they are neo–Nazis?

They are just regular guys. They wear the Wolfsangel, the Schwarze sonne, the black sun, the Totenkopf, or Death’s Head—all Nazi symbols—because they are proud of themselves, and these are the kinds of things proud people wear. I was just wearing mine the other day.


The slipping and sliding starts early in “Nazi Symbols on Ukraine’s Front Lines Highlight Thorny Issues of History,” the piece Gibbons–Neff published in Monday’s editions. He begins with three photographs of neo–Nazi Ukrainian soldiers, SS insignia plainly visible, that the Kyiv regime has posted on social media, “then quietly deleted,” since the Russian intervention began last year. “The photographs, and their deletions,” Gibbons–Neff writes, “highlight the Ukrainian military’s complicated relationship with Nazi imagery, a relationship forged under both Soviet and German occupation during World War II.”

Complicated relationship with Nazi imagery? Stop right there, Mr. Semper fi. Ukraine’s neo–Nazi problem is not about a few indiscreetly displayed images. Sorry. The Ukrainian army’s “complicated relationship” is with a century of ultra-right ideology drawn from Mussolini’s Fascism and then the German Reich. As is well-known and documented, the neo–Nazis who infest the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the AFU—among many other national institutions—have made idols of such figures as Stepan Bandera, the freakishly murderous nationalist who allied with the Nazi regime during the war.

This history is a matter of record, as briefly outlined here, but Gibbons–Neff alludes to none of it. It’s merely a matter of poor image-making, you see. In support of this offensive whitewash, Gibbons–Neff has the nerve to quote a source from none other than Bellingcat, which was long, long back exposed as a CIA and MI6 cutout and which is now supported by the Atlantic Council, the NATO–funded, spook-infested think tank based in Washington.

“What worries me, in the Ukrainian context, is that people in Ukraine who are in leadership positions, either they don’t or they’re not willing to acknowledge and understand how these symbols are viewed outside of Ukraine,” a Bellingcat “researcher” named Michael Colborne tells Gibbons–Neff. “I think Ukrainians need to increasingly realize that these images undermine support for the country.”

Think about that. The presence of Nazi elements in the AFU is not a worry. The worry is merely whether clear signs of Nazi sympathies might cause some members of the Western alliance to decide they no longer want to support Nazi elements in the AFU. I am reminded of that Public Broadcasting news segment last year, wherein a provincial governor is featured with a portrait of Bandera behind him. PBS simply blurred the photograph and ran the interview with another of the courageous, admirable Ukrainians to which we are regularly treated.

I hardly need remind paying-attention readers that the neo–Nazis-who-are-not-neo–Nazis were for years well-reported as simply neo–Nazis in the years after the U.S.–cultivated coup in 2014. The Times, The Washington Post, PBS, CNN—the whole sorry lot—ran pieces on neo–Nazi elements in the AFU and elsewhere. In March 2018, Reuters published a commentary by Jeff Cohen under the headline “Ukraine’s Neo–Nazi Problem.” Three months later The Atlantic Council, for heaven’s sake, published a paper, also written by Cohen, titled, “Ukraine’s Got a Real Problem with Far–Right Violence (And no, RT Didn’t Write This Headline).” I recall, because it was so surprising coming from the council, that the original head on that paper was “Ukraine’s Got a Neo–Nazi Problem,” but that version now seems lost to the blur of stealth editing.

Then came the Russian intervention, and Poof! There are no more neo–Nazis in Ukraine. There are only these errant images that are of no special account. And to assert there are neo–Nazis in Ukraine—to have some semblance of memory and a capacity to judge what is before one’s eyes—“plays into Russian propaganda,” Gibbons–Neff warns us. It is to “give fuel to his”—Vladimir Putin’s—“false claims that Ukraine must be de–Nazified.” For good measure Gibbons–Neff gets out the old Volodymyr-Zelensky-is-Jewish chestnut, as if this is proof of… of something or other.

My mind goes to that lovely Donovan lyric from the Scottish singer’s Zen enlightenment phase. Remember “There Is a Mountain?” The famous lines went, “First there is a mountain/ Then there is no mountain/ Then there is.” There were neo–Nazis in Ukraine, then there were no neo–Nazis, and now there are neo–Nazis but they aren’t neo–Nazis after all.

There are a few things to think about as we consider Thomas Gibbons–Neff’s story, other than the fact that it is horse-droppings as a piece of journalism. For one thing, nowhere in it does he quote or reference any member of the AFU—no one wearing a uniform, no one sporting one of these troubling insignia. Various image-managing officials speak to him about the neo–Nazis who-are-not-neo–Nazis, but we never hear from any neo–Nazi-who-is-not-a-neo–Nazi to explain things as a primary source, so to say. I wager Gibbons–Neff never got within 20 miles of one: He wouldn’t dare, for then he would have to quote one of these insignia-sporting people saying that of course he was a neo–Nazi. Can’t you read, son?

For another, Gibbons–Neff resolutely avoids dilating his lens such that the larger phenomenon comes into view. It all comes down to those three unfortunate insignia in those three deleted photographs. The parades, the corridors of neo–Nazi flags, the ever-present swastikas, the reenactments of all-night SS rituals, the glorification of Nazis and Nazi collaborators, the Russophobic blood lust: Sure, it can all be explained, except that our Timesman does not go anywhere near any of this.

Gibbons–Neff’s story follows by 10 days an even more contorted piece of pretzel-like rubbish published in The Kyiv Independent, a not-independent daily that has been supported by various Western governments. This is by one Illia Ponomarenko, a reporter much-lionized in the West, and appeared under the headline, “Why some Ukrainian soldiers use Nazi-related insignia.”

This is the kind of piece that is so bad it tips into fun. “No, Ukraine does not have ‘a Nazi problem,’” Ponomarenko states flatly, and this is the last flat sentence we get in this piece. “Just like in many places around the world, people with far-right and neo–Nazi views, driven by their ideology, are prone to joining the military and participating in conflicts,” he writes. And then this doozy, where begins a riot of irrationality:

"It is, of course, true that, for instance, the Azov Battalion was originally founded by neo–Nazi and far-right groups (as well as many soccer ultra-fans), which brought along with it the typical aesthetics—not only neo–Nazi insignia but also things like Pagan rituals or names like “The Black Corps,” the official newspaper of Nazi Germany’s major paramilitary organization Schutzstaffel (SS)."

But worry not, readers. It is merely an aesthetic, part of a harmless, misunderstood “subculture”:

" In the oversimplified memory of some around the world, particularly within various militaristic subcultures, symbols representing the Wehrmacht, Nazi Germany’s Armed Forces, and the SS are seen to reflect a super-effective war machine, not the perpetrators of one of the greatest crimes against humanity in human history."

But of course. SS insignia, Wehrmacht iconography: Seen it everywhere people admire super-effective war machines. Remember this logic next time some liberal flamer proposes to persecute a MAGA supporter who partakes of this “subculture.”

Has Tom Gibbons–Neff given us a rewrite job? Having been around the block for a good long time, I have seen this kind of thing often enough—correspondents scoring off the local dailies to look deep and penetrating back on the foreign desk. It is also possible, assuming for a moment Gibbons–Neff’s editors still read other newspapers, that they asked him for just such a piece after seeing Ponomarenko’s. Either way, we get this in Ponomarenko’s recognizably illogical style:

" Questions over how to interpret such symbols are as divisive as they are persistent, and not just in Ukraine. In the American South, some have insisted that today, the Confederate flag symbolizes pride, not its history of racism and secession. The swastika was an important Hindu symbol before it was co-opted by the Nazis."

If you are going to reach, Tom, may as well reach for the stars.

We have a New York Times correspondent quoting Ukraine’s Defense Ministry and Bellingcat, an intel cutout that is part of a NATO think tank, and then rather too closely, I would say, aping a Western-supported newspaper in Kyiv. Yes, Virginia, I believe we all got ourselves one of them there echo chambers, just the way the Deep State likes ’em.

Last March, Gibbons–Neff was interviewed by The New York Times. Yes, they do this sort of thing down there on Eighth Avenue, where they simply cannot get enough of themselves. It is enlightening. The unfortunate Times reporter assigned as the straight man asked, as our intrepid correspondent self-aggrandized, “What have been the biggest challenges in covering the war?” Gibbons–Neff’s reply is pricelessly revealing.

“Wrestling with access and being allowed to go certain places to see things that you need the press officer for, or permission from the military unit,” the fearless ex–Marine explains. “Ukrainians know how to manage the press fairly well. So navigating those parameters and not rubbing anyone the wrong way has always been tough.”

Forget about bombs, missiles, gore, the fog of war, courageous sergeants, trench stench, grenades, or any of the other horrors of battle. Gibbons–Neff’s big problems as he pretends to cover the Ukraine war are maintaining access, getting the Kyiv gatekeepers’ permission to go someplace, and avoiding annoying the regime’s authorities.

Does this tell you everything you want to know about our Timesman or what?

It is always interesting to ask why a piece such as this appears when it does. Dead silence for months on the neo–Nazi question, and then suddenly a long explainer that does its best to avoid explaining anything. Always interesting to ask, never easy to answer.

It could be that a lot of stuff on these awful people is sifting out from under the carpet. Or maybe something big is on the way and this piece is preemptive. Or maybe either Gibbons–Neff or his editors saw the Ponomarenko piece as an opportunity to dispose of one of the Kyiv regime’s most embarrassing features.

Or maybe the larger context counts here. As mentioned in this space last week, The Times’s Steve Erlanger recently suggested from Brussels that NATO might do a postwar Germany job with Ukraine: Welcome the west of the country to the alliance and let the eastern provinces go for an indefinite period, unification the long-term objective. Late last week Foreign Affairs ran a fantastical piece by Andriy Zagorodnyuk, formerly a Ukrainian defense minister and now, yes indeedy, a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council. It appeared under the headline, “To Protect Europe, Let Ukraine Join NATO—Right Now.”

Zagorodnyuk’s argument is as loopy as his subhead, “No Country Is Better at Stopping Russia.” But these kinds of assertions, dreamily hyperbolic as they may be, have a purpose. They serve to enlarge the field of acceptable discourse. They inch us closer to normalizing the thought that Ukraine must be accepted in the North Atlantic alliance for our sake, the sake of the West, no matter how provocative such a move will prove.

This suggest that Gibbons–Neff’s piece, along with the one he followed in the Kyiv paper, are by way of a cleanup job. The Western press, working closely with intelligence agencies, did its best to prettify the savage jihadists attempting to bring down the Assad government in Damascus, you will recall. Remember the “moderate rebels?” Maybe Gibbons–Neff is on an equally dishonorable errand.

Semper fi, huh? Always faithful to what?



https://scheerpost.com/2023/06/06/patrick-lawrence-first-there-were-ne
o-nazis-then-there-were-no-nazis-then-there-were
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Wednesday, June 7, 2023 9:25 PM

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OMFG.


So, let's see... Russia blew up its own gas pipelines to deny Germany natgas...when it could have simply turned off the taps?

And Russia was shelling the Zaparozhiy Nuclear Power Plant even tho they were positioned there?

And Russia blew up the Kakhova Dam even tho they were in control of it, to sweep away a Ukrainian advance (that wasn't happening) ...even tho they could have simply opened the gates???

How stupid do they think we are??
How stupid are YOU, Nazi troll?

Jeez!!

You, 6ix, Trump, and Russian State TV announcers have got two things in common: highly articulate



Don't be salty that the only articulate posts you've ever made here were the ones that you plagiarized word for word.

You're nearly as stupid as Ted. You get bonus points for knowing how to steal and cheat to make yourself look smarter.

And say what you will about Ted and his low IQ, but I don't think he'd be the type to steal and cheat like you do everyday... So maybe you're both around the same intelligence level, but only one of you is a sociopath.

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Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:25 AM

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Russian authorities continue to restrict international travel for those eligible for military service. The Russian Federation Council approved a law on June 7 that clarifies rules on declaring Russian passports invalid and introduces travel restrictions on certain categories of citizens.[62] The law holds that the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs can essentially take passports for “storage" (confiscate them) for citizens who are restricted from leaving Russia due to conscription for military service or alternative civilian service.[63] Such legislative manipulations are likely aimed at maintaining a force generation pool and preventing Russians from fleeing abroad to avoid military service.

Russian milbloggers criticized the Russian MoD for falsely claiming that Russian troops destroyed a Leopard tank in Ukraine. The Russian MoD posted footage June 6 that claims to show a Russian strike destroying a Leopard tank.[68] Russian milbloggers were quick to notice, however, that closer examination of the footage shows that the object resembles a piece of agricultural equipment and suggested that Russian forces actually destroyed a John Deere tractor.[69] Several Russian milbloggers criticized the MoD for posting the footage and urged Russian military authorities to vet their public posts more carefully.[70] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin sardonically congratulated the Russian MoD for a “job well done” in reference to the tractor.[71]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-7-2023


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Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:56 AM

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In blowing up the dam, Russia committed a war crime

by Andreas Kluth

In a way, this says it all: Just as the Ukrainians are finally launching their long-expected counteroffensive against the Russian invaders, the latter preempt the former with another war crime. They appear to have blown up a huge dam that blocks the Dnipro - the Ukrainians are certainly blaming the Russians, and it's hardly plausible that the Ukrainians did it.

The floodwaters will deluge several villages and maybe a city. The attack will probably also put a hydroelectric power plant out of commission. It may even compromise the cooling of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant just up the river.

Is this fair game? There are different ways to answer this question, none of them satisfying. You can start with the inner logic or illogic of warfare, the long history of such tactics, or international law. But however you choose to look at these Russian detonators, they're hardly comparable to Britain's Dambusters of 1943.

Those Dambusters — in what was called Operation Chastise, later heroized on the big screen — were fighting a world war against the Third Reich, which had started the conflict by invading much of the continent. So the British tried to take out dams on rivers in Germany's prime industrial area, and factories that powered the Nazi war machine. More than a thousand civilians were killed, whereas the strategic value of Chastise is still debated. Morally and legally, however, the operation can be justified in the context of the war being waged at that time.

Especially in places defined by rivers, like Ukraine and its Dnipro, the manipulation of floodwaters has always been popular as a tactic. In Mesopotamia (the land "between rivers"), Cyrus the Great took Babylon in one night by diverting the Euphrates. Seventeen centuries later, the Mongol conqueror Hulagu used the floodwaters of the Tigris for victory there. More than seven centuries hence again, in the 1980s, the Iranians bombed Iraqi dams. The most recent to target them was the Islamic State.

The worst modern dam attack was launched by the defending side in its own country. In 1938, Chinese nationalists fighting Japanese invaders blew up the dikes holding back the Yellow River. Hundreds of thousands of civilians died, either by drowning or losing drinking water and shelter. The breach slowed the Japanese advance, but didn't stop it.

On it goes, with almost every major belligerent using the tactic at some point or another - the Americans bombed dams in North Korea and North Vietnam, for instance, and again in Syria in 2017. As a weapon, water is both obvious and frightening.

But is it ethical, or even legal? As ever when lawyers are involved, that question leads to frustrating quagmires of fine print. The oldest answers come from so-called customary international law, which derives from established practices among states rather than the written words in treaties. It acknowledges that bombing dams may be fair game (as in the case of Operation Chastise, in my opinion) when the targets have military importance, as long as the consequences for civilians are "proportionate."

The first international treaties dealing with attacks on dams were the Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions, adopted in 1977. They stipulate that "dams, dikes and nuclear electrical generating stations, shall not be made the object of attack, even where these objects are military objectives, if such attack may cause the release of dangerous forces and consequent severe losses among the civilian population." (Emphasis added.)

Note the telling conflation of floodwater and nuclear radiation in the protocol. These two hell scenarios have much in common, in that a belligerent can take out a target with ambiguous military relevance — the dam on the Dnipro or the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant — and kill, harm and terrorize vast numbers of civilians in the vicinity. In that sense, dams and nuclear stations make perfect targets for the least scrupulous.

That would be Russian President Vladimir Putin. Throughout his murderous assault on Ukraine, he's threatened to turn the Zaporizhzhia nuclear station into a second Chernobyl, or even to launch nuclear weapons. Reading him the finer points of the Geneva Conventions (to which Russia is a signatory) feels a bit like singing Kumbaya to Sauron. All the more reason Ukraine must defeat him, and the West must help.

Andreas Kluth is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. His previous article was “Russia's 'human wave attacks' are another step into hell.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/andreas-kluth-in-blowing-up-the-d
am-russia-committed-a-war-crime/ar-AA1choQm


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Thursday, June 8, 2023 1:46 PM

SIGNYM

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How can you POSSIBKY keep thumping such ridiculous lies, Nazi troll?

Yanno, you're like good Berliner Nazis at the end of WWII: They firmly believed that some wunderwaffe would defend them. LOSUNG THE WAR TO RUSSIA CAME AS A VAST SURPRISE.


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Thursday, June 8, 2023 2:03 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How can you POSSIBKY keep thumping such ridiculous lies, Nazi troll?

Yanno, you're like good Berliner Nazis at the end of WWII: They firmly believed that some wunderwaffe would defend them. LOSUNG THE WAR TO RUSSIA CAME AS A VAST SURPRISE.

After peace was declared in WWII, Russians continued to kill German civilians by the millions, but at a slower pace with more torture. According to Russians, nobody died. Which history is more persuasive?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_(1944%E2
%80%931950)#Legacy_of_the_expulsions


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-expulsions-film/film-depict
ing-germans-as-ww2-victims-fires-debate-idUSL0515685120070305


https://sites.tufts.edu/atrocityendings/2015/08/07/poland-post-wwii-as
saults-on-minorities
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Russian Soldiers Complain That 'Entire Regiments' Are Being Wiped Out

By Isabel van Brugen On 6/8/23 at 10:56 AM EDT

The Russian soldiers said poor leadership and a lack of reinforcements and equipment are to blame for high casualty numbers.

"We are ready to defend our homeland, but with proper supplies," the unit said. "And to be taken prisoner without arms or with no possibility to counteract is not defending the homeland. On behalf of the 1009th regiment we ask you to look into this serious problem and make decisions as soon as possible."

An unverified video has also circulated on Russian and Ukrainian social media channels, purportedly showing a Russian soldier from the 138th Brigade posted in the Belgorod region. In the video, the solider said his unit lost 80 percent of its personnel and that he and his fellow soldiers were "forced to retreat without permission and without reinforcements."

"After some time, the same situation occurred with two other groups [units]. They mowed down entire regiments of our men," the soldier said.

Who is attacking the Russian soldiers? Not Ukrainians but two Russian rebel groups—the Freedom of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RVC)—entered Belgorod last week, and intense fighting has been ongoing since. The Legion is made up of defectors from the Russian armed forces and Russian and Belarusian volunteers, and the RVC says its members include Russians fighting on Ukraine's side and against the Kremlin regime.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-soldiers-belgorod-freedom-russia-legi
on-volunteer-corps-ukraine-war-1805354


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Thursday, June 8, 2023 2:43 PM

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How can you POSSIBKY keep thumping such ridiculous lies, Nazi troll?

Yanno, you're like good Berliner Nazis at the end of WWII: They firmly believed that some wunderwaffe would defend them. LOSUNG THE WAR TO RUSSIA CAME AS A VAST SURPRISE.





Comrade, oh no comrade, the Russian lines have broken.

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Thursday, June 8, 2023 4:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THREE-PLUS HOURS?!?!
R U KIDDING???

Some of us have a life to live, dood!

If you want to get a PRO-UKIE summary from a pro-Ukrainian Belorussian, WITH MAPS, go to YouTube Military Summary Channel.





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Friday, June 9, 2023 5:35 AM

SIGNYM

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The great counteroffensive gets caught up in minefields...

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So, as you can see. The enemy approached the minefields in the ‘no man’s land’ between the two armies south of Orekhov. They rode in vehicles with headlights off, counting on their fancy NATO ‘nightvision’. They began to clear mines with trawls and with the UR-77 ‘Snake Gorynch’ mine clearer. However, many of them still appeared to hit mines anyway at one point or another.

Russian analyst Yuriy Podolyaka gives further details:

Yuriy Podolyaka: "The Armed Forces of Ukraine could not clear the fields, they are forced to go through narrow corridors. There are shots of a cluster of tanks: one is hit, and the rest are afraid to bypass it, run into mines. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are compressed, our artillery and aviation are working. All night long, our night hunters worked as a carousel, shooting a lot of enemy equipment.


https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/offensive-confirmed-afu-strikes-ha
rd


Well, tomorrow is another day. Let's see what it brings.

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Friday, June 9, 2023 5:58 AM

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Russian sources provided explanations for claimed Russian successes during the June 8 attacks, praising Russian forces’ effective use of electronic warfare (EW) systems, air support, and landmines against Ukrainian forces. Multiple Russian sources reported that Russian EW severely interfered with Ukrainian command and control signals, GPS-enabled devices, UAV controls.[12] Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces had insufficient air defense in the Orikhiv sector, that Russian forces operated with an “unprecedented” amount of rotary wing air support, and that Russian aviation was able to return to a high level of activity after not actively engaging in combat operations since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in 2022.[13] Continuous Russian missile and drone attacks against Kyiv and critical Ukrainian infrastructure may have fixed Ukraine’s more advanced air defense systems away from the frontline, although ISW cannot assess which systems would be effective against the kinds of air support missions Russian aircraft were flying. ISW’s previous assessments that Russian air and missile attacks were not setting conditions to defend against the Ukrainian counter-offensive may thus have been inaccurate. Russian sources also praised at length their claimed defensive success using layered field fortifications and landmines, with Major General Popov stating that Russian minefields played a “very important role” in defeating the initial Ukrainian advance in the early hours of June 8.[14] CNN additionally reported that an anonymous US official said that Russian landmines degraded Ukrainian armored vehicles.[15]

Russian forces appear to have executed their formal tactical defensive doctrine in response to the Ukrainian attacks southwest of Orikhiv. Russian doctrine for a defending motorized rifle battalion calls for a first echelon of troops to repel or slow attacking forces with minefields, fortifications, and strongpoints, with a second echelon of forces counterattacking against an enemy breakthrough.[16] Russian forces apparently operated in this fashion in this sector – Ukrainian forces penetrated the initial defensive lines; Russian forces pulled back to a second line of fortifications; and Russian reserves subsequently counterattacked to retake the initial line of defenses.[17] This maneuver is a regular feature of defensive operations and has been executed by both Ukrainian and Russian forces throughout the war. Early control of terrain changes day to day should thus not be misconstrued as the overall result of a wider attack.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-june-8-2023


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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