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If a Ukraine that believes in the rule of law and human rights grift and corruption can achieve victory against a much larger, much more autocratic democratic society, and if it can do so while preserving its own freedoms oligarchy then similarly open societies and movements transnationalist regimes around the world can hope for success too.

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SECOND: This year the US will spend another $1 trillion on defense. Who is the US defending itself from? From the past records, we know what country was used as the justification for these huge defense budgets. It is Russia. The US has already spent more than $10 trillion in a nuclear arms race with Russia, but since 1945 the US never had the guts to beat the shit out of the Russians commit suicide on a mass scale, so that there would not be an arms race. but decided to beat the shit out of dozens of weaker hapless nations instead. But at long last, there is a country (Ukraine) that is beating the shit out of Russians, stupid enough to be used as a hapless proxy against Russia and is getting beaten to a pulp, but 6ix wants the beating to stop.

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What will you do, SECOND, when Ukraine folds like a cheap suit? Will you admit that you posted hundreds of lies and thousands of lines of nonsense?

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Ukraine is already the loser here with 2 generations of men dying for NATO.

In the end, they will have died for nothing when they surrender to Russia.

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Ukraine is already the loser here with 2 generations of men dying for NATO.

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You are getting pretty close to Signym's position that Russia shall win. Why not wait until Russia is more assured to win? Otherwise, you'll end up disappointed just as you were when Trump lost despite your wholehearted devotion to the notion he's a winner.

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Why would I be disappointed?

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What will you do, SECOND, when Ukraine folds like a cheap suit? Will you admit that you posted hundreds of lies and thousands of lines of nonsense?

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Why would I be disappointed?

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You weren't disappointed when Trump lost? You won't be disappointed if Putin loses in Ukraine and by inference, Biden wins?

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What will you do, SECOND, when Ukraine folds like a cheap suit? Will you admit that you posted hundreds of lies and thousands of lines of nonsense?

THUGR: Too funny...comrade signym has been threatening Ukraine would fold like a cheap suit for over a year now. I told you comrade that Russia was a paper tiger. The first time, many many years ago.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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a) War of attrition? You don't know how many Russians Russia has killed by invading Ukraine.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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a) War of attrition? You don't know how many Russians Russia has killed by invading Ukraine.

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Neither do you.

But the BBC- not a Russia friendly pulication- estimated about 20,000 from open sources.

You can shitcan everything that comes from from Kiev, just like I shitcan your posts.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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a) War of attrition? You don't know how many Russians Russia has killed by invading Ukraine.

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Neither do you.

But the BBC- not a Russia friendly pulication- estimated about 20,000 from open sources.

You can shitcan everything that comes from from Kiev, just like I shitcan your posts.

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Russians killed 62 million of their own people because they do not value them.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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a) War of attrition? You don't know how many Russians Russia has killed by invading Ukraine.

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Neither do you.

But the BBC- not a Russia friendly pulication- estimated about 20,000 from open sources.

You can shitcan everything that comes from from Kiev, just like I shitcan your posts.

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Russians killed 62 million of their own people because they do not value them.

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NAZIS account for a fair portion of that, SECOND. Bc NAZIS were waging a genocidal war on Russian territory.
Another fatally-flawed post from SECOND, and another SECOND post to shitcan.

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Your figures are bullshit, SECOND, and I know that bc they contradict OTHER figures that you've posted.
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When you contradict yourself every other post, why should I take this one any more seriously than your previous 3,000+ bullshit posts?

You habit of lying has more than caught up with you. You'd have to post the real honest truth (something you're completely unfamiliar with) for the next five YEARS in order to rehabilitate your reputation, troll.

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The major developments in human history are always steeped in dark ironies. Taking WWII as the archetypal example, let's enumerate just the more obvious ones:

» After the carnage of WWI, many of the world's most sensitive and thoughtful people learned the lesson that they should oppose war at any cost. This attitude let Germany rearm and set the stage for WWII.

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The Nazis touted the dream of eugenically perfecting the human race, then perpetrated genocide against a tiny group that had produced Einstein, von Neumann, Wigner, Ulam, and Tarski.

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The Allied force that made the greatest sacrifice in lives to defeat Hitler was Stalin's USSR, another of history's most murderous and horrifying regimes.

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The man who rallied the free world to defeat Nazism, Winston Churchill, was himself a racist colonialist, whose views would be (and regularly are) denounced as "Nazi" on modern college campuses.

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The WWII legacy that would go on to threaten humanity's existence — the Bomb — was created in what the scientists believed was a desperate race to save humanity. Then Hitler was defeated before the Bomb was ready, and it turned out the Nazis were never even close to building their own Bomb, and the Bomb was used instead against Japan

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The major developments in human history are always steeped in dark ironies. Taking WWII as the archetypal example, let's enumerate just the more obvious ones:

» After the carnage of WWI, many of the world's most sensitive and thoughtful people learned the lesson that they should oppose war at any cost. This attitude let Germany rearm and set the stage for WWII.

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Wrong. War reparations on Germany crumbled the German economy, leading to hyperinflation and a mass-revolt against international sanctions, and towards an alternative path. Communism and Hilterlism (National Socialism) were runnng neck-and-neck until Hilter uncorked his dirty tricks.

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Also, America's oil embargo against Japan, which critically starved the Japanese economy, led to Japan's atttack on Pearl Harbor.

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What will you do, SECOND, when Ukraine folds like a cheap suit? Will you admit that you posted hundreds of lies and thousands of lines of nonsense?

THUGR: Too funny...comrade signym has been threatening Ukraine would fold like a cheap suit for over a year now. I told you comrade that Russia was a paper tiger. The first time, many many years ago.

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a) Russia is fighting a war of attrition, not "big arrow offensives". Silly man. Russia is not only de-militarizing Kiev, it's demilitarizing NATO.

b) There's a reason why the USA is avoiding direct conflict between USA troops and Russian troops in Ukraine. Go figure out why.

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

You need to get your news from someplace that doesn't just embellish what "Kiev says".

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SECOND: By now you must realize I shitcan every one of your posts. Your hx of mouthbreathing crap caught up with you a long time ago.

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

You need to get your news from someplace that doesn't just embellish what "Kiev says".

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

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For the First Time, a Patriot Missile Has Killed One of Russia’s Hypersonic Missiles
Multiple sources identified the nose cone as likely coming from a Kinzhal missile, which officially goes by the unwieldy designation 9-S-7760, and is codenamed the ‘Killjoy’ by NATO.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-the-first-time-a-patriot-miss
ile-has-killed-one-of-russia-s-hypersonic-missiles/ar-AA1aTAXj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a7b9022cd5e743e18c2a16ca8ded5a0c&ei=21

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THUGR:: Oops, sorry comrade Signym.

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YEP, SO SORRY COMRADE! So sorry that your sources are so tainted and your gullibility is so huge!

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YEP, SO SORRY COMRADE! So sorry that your sources are so tainted and your gullibility is so huge!

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Signym, do you remember that the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, the Moskva, was sunk early in the conflict? Russians said it didn't happen, but Russians were lying because it is effortless for Russians to lie, like breathing.

8 May, 2023 U.S. confirms Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missile to have been destroyed by Patriot system
https://mil.in.ua/en/news/u-s-confirms-kinzhal-hypersonic-ballistic-mi
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There is only one Moskva, so Ukraine can't sink it a second time to prove the Russians were lying, but there are more Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missiles for Ukraine to shoot down to prove the Russians are lying.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

You need to get your news from someplace that doesn't just embellish what "Kiev says".

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For the First Time, a Patriot Missile Has Killed One of Russia’s Hypersonic Missiles
Multiple sources identified the nose cone as likely coming from a Kinzhal missile, which officially goes by the unwieldy designation 9-S-7760, and is codenamed the ‘Killjoy’ by NATO.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-the-first-time-a-patriot-miss
ile-has-killed-one-of-russia-s-hypersonic-missiles/ar-AA1aTAXj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a7b9022cd5e743e18c2a16ca8ded5a0c&ei=21

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THUGR:: Oops, sorry comrade Signym.

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Why would Kiev deny shooting down a hypersonic missile?
This is how it works, SECOND: Russia doesn't report all its losses, but when they DO report them, they seem to be accurate. (For example, the Russian MoD's KIA report tallies with the BBC's independent estimate.) When the Russian MoD claims territory, or #of Kiev weapons destroyed, it winds up looking accurate.

But Kiev lies about EVERYTHING: territory gained or lost, Ukrainian losses, Russian losses, weapons available... I shitcan everything "Kiev says", just like I shitcan everything you post.

Because for them, and for you, there are no "facts", only words as weapons. You, and they, will say anything... anything ... to advance your "war" (whatever it is).

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

You need to get your news from someplace that doesn't just embellish what "Kiev says".

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THUGR, why do you say that I describe Russias war of attrition "with bitterness"? Your mind-reading sucks. (As usual) What I feel most often is IRRITATION bc I have to keep repeating myself so often, especially to retards who keep jibing that Russia isn't advancing like they think it should. A war of attrition results in a static front when the enemy (in this case, Kiev) obliges you by constantly throwing itself against your defenses; or results in tacticsl retreat.

But why in god's name do you think that it's the RUSSIAN army getting ground down? Were Russia's air defenses destroyed? Have Russia's air force been obliterated? Is Russia's tank force, artillery, munitions and weapons factories, rail system, and fuel depots been destroyed? Most importantly, has Russia lost a while army's -worth of men?

You need to get your news from someplace that doesn't just embellish what "Kiev says".

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Putin Forced to Send 70-year-old Tanks From Russian Museums Into Ukraine Due to Ongoing Weapons Shortage

Vladimir Putin was recently forced to send 70-year-old tanks previously kept on display inside Russian museums into Ukraine to make up for his military’s ongoing weapons shortage, RadarOnline.com has learned.

In a surprising development to come after Russia is estimated to have lost more than 3,700 tanks in the past 14 months of fighting against Ukraine, the 70-year-old Russian leader reportedly ordered several Soviet-era T-55 tanks to be recommissioned and sent to the frontlines of battle.

According to Daily Star, the T-55 tanks being taken from Russian museums and sent into Ukraine were first constructed in 1948 shortly after the end of World War II.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-forced-to-send-70-year-old-
tanks-from-russian-museums-into-ukraine-due-to-ongoing-weapons-shortage/ar-AA1aUOx8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=165295698a1a4237a77eb37c37c60fbd&ei=154

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The truth is out there for all to see comrade. Your lying doesn't change that.

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