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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, January 31, 2023 7:10 PM

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lol

I can't wait until the Leftists are purged from the mainstream.

We're getting there.

You are channeling...



I'm doing no such thing.

I'm absolutely sick and tired of the Leftist Propaganda churned out 24/7 from the Leftist ran media machine.

Just like everybody else in the fucking country is.

We're done with you idiots. Everything you touch turns to shit.

You're starting to sound very Russian. The sentiment that Democrats are a threat to Trumpards is very similar to Ukraine being a threat to Russia and this threat can be tolerated no more. Russia's next step was an invasion. What's the Trumptards' next step against Democrats?

Whatever the Trumptards do next, I sincerely hope Trump leads them since Trump is even less systematic and competent than Putin. One thing Putin can't be accused of is being lazy and fat, the direct opposite of Trump. Trump's lack of focused energy makes wherever he leads his followers more likely to be a swamp of failure. Putin leads his people into failure. Trump can do the same, yet quicker!

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Tuesday, January 31, 2023 7:58 PM

SIGNYM

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If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening "Trumptards" maybe you wouldn't be seen as a threat.

If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening Russia, maybe Russia wouldn't see you as a threat.

It's simple, but probably not simple enough for you.

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Tuesday, January 31, 2023 9:08 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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lol

I can't wait until the Leftists are purged from the mainstream.

We're getting there.

You are channeling...



I'm doing no such thing.

I'm absolutely sick and tired of the Leftist Propaganda churned out 24/7 from the Leftist ran media machine.

Just like everybody else in the fucking country is.

We're done with you idiots. Everything you touch turns to shit.

You're starting to sound very Russian.



You sound Russian every day.



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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 5:40 AM

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If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening "Trumptards" maybe you wouldn't be seen as a threat.

If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening Russia, maybe Russia wouldn't see you as a threat.

It's simple, but probably not simple enough for you.

The Trumptards and the Russians make claims upon other people's property. The Trumptards claim that the world owes them a good-paying job in manufacturing or coal mining or whatever their hearts desire. The companies of the world, which actually own the factories and mines, strongly disagree that they owe Trumptards a good-paying job. The same is true with Russians claiming they own Ukraine and everyone within it. Ukrainians disagree strongly with Russians' claims of owning Ukrainian land.

Who shall referee these disagreements so that war doesn't become incessant?

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Putin has a simple solution to Russia's conflict with Ukraine. The ‘Putin Principle’ could bring peace to Eurasia

by Alexander J. Motyl, Opinion Contributor - 01/30/23 10:00 AM ET

Sometimes even Russian strongman Vladimir Putin has a good idea.

For years, he has insisted that Russia has a right to territories that were historically Russia’s and whose inhabitants are “our own.” Hence, Putin’s claims on Ukraine’s Donbas and Crimea, which have large Russian and Russian-speaking populations. This is also his justification for the genocidal war he launched against Ukraine on Feb. 24, 2022. Since, according to Putin, Ukrainians are really Russians, Russia must be perfectly entitled to do with them what it wants.

In fact, Putin is spot on to say that Russia has a right to its historically Russian territories. It’s just that he doesn’t understand what the consequences for the Russian Federation would be if the “Putin Principle” were to be consistently applied to his homeland.

In a word, the Russian Federation would cease being a federation and instead shrink to a moderately-sized statelet centered on Moscow. Who could argue with such a happy prospect for the world’s largest country?


Start with the fact that the Muscovite tsars conquered Siberia in the 16th and 17th centuries by subjugating the native peoples who inhabited this vast expanse of land. So, Siberia would have to go. But so, too, would much of southern Russia, which historically was populated by various nomadic peoples and belonged to the Mongols before the Muscovites drove them out.

Putin would also have to say good-bye to northern European Russia, which formerly belonged to the Novgorod Republic (populated by Slavic, Finnic and Baltic tribes), which the Muscovite ruler Ivan III unceremoniously destroyed in 1478. According to the Novgorod Chronicle: “Thus did Great Prince Ivan advance with all his host against his domain of Novgorod because of the rebellious spirit of its people, their pride and conversion to Latinism. With a great and overwhelming force did he occupy the entire territory of Novgorod from frontier to frontier, inflicting on every part of it the dread powers of his fire and sword.” Oh, and there goes St. Petersburg, which was founded in 1703 on land inhabited by the Finnic Ingrians and their Swedish conquerors.

That leaves Belarus and Ukraine, which Putin claims were Russian since the days of the Kyivan state called Rus’. Except that they weren’t. The Rus’ state was founded by the Vikings in the 9th century, and the name Rus’ was Scandinavian in origin. As Harvard University historian Serhii Plokhy explains, “Most scholars today believe that the word ‘Rus’’ has Scandinavian roots.” Thus, the “Rus’ Vikings” were “a conglomerate of Norwegian, Swedish and probably Finnish Norsemen,” and not Slavs.

The Scandinavian Rus’ established a state whose inhabitants were primarily East Slavic tribes who spoke their own versions of what eventually would become Ukrainian, Belarusian and Russian. The tribes in the Kyivan core of Rus’ spoke proto-Ukrainian. Those farther north spoke proto-Belarusian; those on the northern periphery spoke proto-Russian. Their languages differed, but so did their cultures and economies. Proto-Ukrainians lived in warmer climes in semi-wooded areas bordering on the Black Earth steppe, where they were directly in touch with Byzantine influences and practiced agriculture. Proto-Russians lived in cold climes and heavily forested areas closer to the non-Slavic peoples of the far north and Siberia and pursued such trades as trapping and logging. The bottom line? Putin would have to leave these historically Ukrainian and Belarusian lands to the Ukrainians and Belarusians.

The Crimean peninsula, so beloved of Russian nationalists, also would have to go, because its inhabitants were — long before the first Muscovite appeared on its shores — Tatars, a Turkic people.

What, then, would be left of the Russian Federation as it currently exists, if the Putin Principle were to be applied across the board? Very little: roughly the area bounded by the cities of Bryansk, Ryazan, Vologda and Smolensk, with Moscow in the middle.

Such a Russia would be a geopolitical godsend. Smaller and less powerful, Russia would cease being a threat to its neighbors. Bereft of its imperial territories, it might even be able to adopt some form of sustainable democracy. All in all, Putin’s vision — if applied rigorously — would actually bring peace to much of Eurasia.

Naturally, Putin knows this, so his selective application of the Putin Principle is just his coy way of justifying historical Muscovite expansionism and current Russian aggression. The irony is that, given the brittle nature of Putin’s regime, the parlous condition of his economy, and the Russian army’s scandalously poor performance on the battlefield, it’s increasingly likely that the Russian Federation may collapse. Putin then would experience the ultimate humiliation: Rump Russia would survive, but be surrounded by newly independent states associated with the non-Russian nations Muscovy robbed.

Alexander J. Motyl is a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark. A specialist on Ukraine, Russia and the USSR, and on nationalism, revolutions, empires and theory, he is the author of 10 books of nonfiction, as well as “Imperial Ends: The Decay, Collapse, and Revival of Empires” and “Why Empires Reemerge: Imperial Collapse and Imperial Revival in Comparative Perspective.”

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3832552-the-putin-principle-
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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 7:05 PM

SIGNYM

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If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening "Trumptards" maybe you wouldn't be seen as a threat.

If you (individually and collectively) would stop threatening Russia, maybe Russia wouldn't see you as a threat.

It's simple, but probably not simple enough for you.

SECOND: The Trumptards and the Russians make claims upon other people's property.


If you (individually and collectively) would stop aquiring other people's property (taxes, inflation, excess profits) maybe you wouldn't be seen as such a threat.

If you (individually and collectively) would stop aquiring other nations (destabilization, regime change, invasion) maybe you wouldn't be seen as such a threat.
Just pointing out there's a whole lot of projection going on, on your part.

Between your lies, libel, self contradictions, threats, projection, baseless accusations, and generally pointless posts, you belong on "ignore".


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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 7:18 PM

SIGNYM

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Oh, yeah... I'd say "fuck Ukraine" but Biden* and Zelenskiy are doing a pretty good job on that.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 8:16 PM

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Oh, yeah... I'd say "fuck Ukraine" but Biden* and Zelenskiy are doing a pretty good job on that.

It is Russia "doing a pretty good job" destroying $trillions of Ukrainian property, so it is Russia's fault for what happens to Ukraine. The usual Russian rhetorical trick is to shift all blame onto Ukraine. The trick goes like this: If only Ukraine would surrender, Russia would stop destroying Ukrainian property. Therefore it is all Ukraine's fault for what Russia has done and will do to Ukraine. I never found that trick persuasive, but Russians think it is absolutely brilliant logic.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 9:25 PM

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Oh, yeah... I'd say "fuck Ukraine" but Biden* and Zelenskiy are doing a pretty good job on that.

It is Russia "doing a pretty good job" destroying $trillions of Ukrainian property, so it is Russia's fault for what happens to Ukraine. The usual Russian rhetorical trick is to shift all blame onto Ukraine. The trick goes like this: If only Ukraine would surrender, Russia would stop destroying Ukrainian property. Therefore it is all Ukraine's fault for what Russia has done and will do to Ukraine. I never found that trick persuasive, but Russians think it is absolutely brilliant logic.

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All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.


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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 9:59 PM

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All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.

"IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement"? What a puzzle for me. Oh! You meant "Minsk agreements". The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk? Whatever. Russians are not keeping that agreement, or any other:

1) Minsk agreements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

2) Russian–Ukrainian Friendship Treaty
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Tre
aty


3) Russia’s longstanding problem with Ukraine’s borders
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/08/russias-longstanding-problem-ukra
ines-borders

Even though formally Ukraine’s territorial integrity was not conditional on belonging to the CIS, the demand for Kyiv’s acquiescence to Russia’s regional ambitions was ever-present.

In the 1995 Sochi accords, Russia confirmed the status of Crimea as part of Ukraine but pushed for exclusive basing rights at Sevastopol as part of a long lease. It was only in May 1997 that Russia and Ukraine finalized details of the BSF division, agreeing on a 20-year lease of the base.

This accord finally opened the way for the ‘Big Treaty’ on friendship, cooperation and partnership concluded in 1997. This treaty secured the formal recognition of Ukraine as an ‘equal and sovereign state’ with the signatories committing to respecting each other’s territorial integrity and the inviolability of ‘existing’ borders.

Completely unsurprising what the Russians did next: In theory the recognition of Ukraine’s independence in 1997 seemed a significant legal milestone. But in practice this was a ruse as Russia continued to question the delimitation and delineation of its border with Ukraine.

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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 10:39 PM

SIGNYM

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Minsk

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Wednesday, February 1, 2023 11:02 PM

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All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.

"IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement"? What a puzzle for me. Oh! You meant "Minsk agreements". The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk?



Sigs can spell just fine. She's no Ted.

You already know the reason that her spelling/grammar has taken a hit recently because it was discussed in the Garden and you read everything that's posted in there even though you don't participate because you're a creep.

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Thursday, February 2, 2023 1:07 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.

"IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement"? What a puzzle for me. Oh! You meant "Minsk agreements". The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk?



Sigs can spell just fine. She's no Ted.

You already know the reason that her spelling/grammar has taken a hit recently because it was discussed in the Garden and you read everything that's posted in there even though you don't participate because you're a creep.

Just now I picked up my phone and said one word: "Minsk" to Google voice typing, with absolutely no context to help decipher what I said. And guess what appeared on the screen? It wasn't "MISSJ". It was "Minsk". If Signym can't type, I am pretty sure Signym can talk all day and give excruciatingly long defenses of Putin, Russia, Trump, etc. Tell everybody how wonderful Russia is, Signym, and that the world would be better if Russia, not the USA, was the richest country in the world, rather than Russia being the biggest and stupidest.

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Thursday, February 2, 2023 1:10 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by second:
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All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.

"IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement"? What a puzzle for me. Oh! You meant "Minsk agreements". The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk?



Sigs can spell just fine. She's no Ted.

You already know the reason that her spelling/grammar has taken a hit recently because it was discussed in the Garden and you read everything that's posted in there even though you don't participate because you're a creep.

Just now I picked up my phone and said one word: "Minsk" to Google voice typing, with absolutely no context to help decipher what I said. And guess what appeared on the screen? It wasn't "MISSJ". It was "Minsk". If Signym can't type, I am pretty sure Signym can talk all day and give excruciatingly long defenses of Putin, Russia, Trump, etc. Tell everybody how wonderful Russia is, Signym, and that the world would be better if Russia, not the USA, was the richest country in the world, rather than Russia being the biggest and stupidest.




Maybe she has a flip phone.

Not everybody wants to walk around being a dumb jagoff who relies on their phone to provide all of life's answers for them.



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Thursday, February 2, 2023 1:55 AM

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Replying really fast on the fly, and not checking autocorrect.

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Thursday, February 2, 2023 6:20 AM

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Replying really fast on the fly, and not checking autocorrect.

Very Russian of you in a world where precision counts. Google returns 424,000 results for "IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement" and none of them mean a damn thing. Very Russian. Meanwhile:

U.S. expected to send Ukraine longer-range smart bombs in next aid package

The Wall Street Journal reports:

The next batch of U.S. military aid for Ukraine that could be announced as soon as Friday is expected to include longer-range smart bombs for the first time, people familiar with the matter said.

The new smart weapon is a Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb, or GLSDB, a precision-guided 250-pound bomb that is strapped to a rocket. It has a range of 94 miles, which is farther than any bomb the U.S. has so far provided to Ukraine.

The expected delivery of longer-range weapons comes as the U.S. and European allies have moved to provide modern battle tanks and other advanced weaponry to Ukraine ahead of an expected Russian offensive. The U.S. has pledged to provide Ukraine with more than $27 billion in military aid.

The GLSDB can be fired from rocket-launchers such as the Himars system already supplied by the U.S. to Ukraine. The bomb is equipped with wings allowing it to glide to its target and a rocket motor to give it extra range.

This allows it to be targeted accurately as though it was launched from an aircraft, without putting a pilot at risk and at lower cost. The bomb also has advanced tracking systems to make it more accurate, with a claimed precision to within the width of a car tire.

More at https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-expected-to-send-ukraine-longer-range
-smart-bombs-in-next-aid-package-11675270504?mod=djemalertNEWS


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Russian army officer defects, describes widespread torture

A former Russian army officer has described horrifying interrogations and the use of torture on Ukrainian war prisoners, speaking as the highest-ranking recruit to defect from his country so far.

Yefremov, who called himself "anti-war," did not describe participating in any of the abuses he talked about, and said that in the three years ahead of the 2022 conflict his main job as a soldier had been in mine clearances in Chechnya.

On Wednesday, Ukraine's Prosecutor General Andriy Kostin alleged that his office had uncovered evidence of 65,000 Russian war crimes in newly liberated parts of Ukraine, as CNBC reported.

Yefremov's testimony comes as part of the latest — and most senior — of a string of public denunciations from defected members of either the Russian army or the Wagner Group, the notorious mercenary army fighting on Putin's behalf.

Attempting to leave either is extremely risky.

More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-army-officer-defects-desc
ribes-widespread-torture-including-threats-to-castrate-a-ukrainian-and-send-his-wife-the-video/ar-AA171ZQ8


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Good to know that officers in Russia are just as useless as officers in the US.

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Putin Promises Victory in Ukraine

Casting his war in Ukraine as a virtuous fight despite mounting deaths and his forces’ plodding progress, President Vladimir V. Putin vowed on Thursday that Russia would prevail, using a speech in the city formerly known as Stalingrad to compare his invasion with the Soviets’ defeat of the Nazis in a decisive World War II battle.

“The legacy of generations, values and traditions — this is all what makes Russia different, what makes us strong and confident in ourselves, in our righteousness and in our victory,” Mr. Putin said.

The Russian leader’s defiant remarks came as Ukrainian officials warned that Moscow was opening a new offensive aimed at capturing more of eastern Ukraine and giving Mr. Putin his first significant battlefield success in months. Hours before he spoke, Russian missiles struck the eastern Ukrainian city of Kramatorsk, a key military hub for Kyiv’s forces.

Russia’s slow gains in the east and its attempts to capture the nearby city of Bakhmut have come at a huge cost in lives, Ukraine says, as the Kremlin throws thousands of often inexperienced fighters into brutal ground combat against dug-in Ukrainian forces. But there was no mention in Mr. Putin’s speech of Russia’s mounting losses.

Instead, speaking at a “celebratory concert” marking the 80th anniversary of the Soviet triumph in Stalingrad, now known as Volgograd, Mr. Putin lashed out again at Western nations, which are sending increasingly advanced weapons to Ukraine. He made his most direct remarks yet in response to Germany’s recent decision to provide Ukraine with Leopard 2 battle tanks, calling it part of “the aggression of the collective West.”

The Russian leader then made a vague threat directed at Germany, which Mr. Putin long viewed as Russia’s most important link to the West. “We aren’t sending our tanks to their borders,” Mr. Putin said. “But we have the means to respond, and it won’t end with the use of armor. Everyone must understand this.”

Stalingrad — the turning point in what Russians call the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet Union’s fight against the Nazis in World War II — holds totemic significance for Russians as a symbol of wartime suffering, sacrifice and heroism. In 1943, the Soviets reversed the tide of Germany’s invasion there after a 200-day battle that cost hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians their lives.

After he landed on Thursday, Russian state media footage showed Mr. Putin laying red flowers at a Soviet commander’s grave below the giant Motherland Calls monument — which, at nearly 300 feet tall, is one of the world’s biggest statues. He was also shown kneeling before a wreath at a memorial flame nearby.

For Mr. Putin, the symbolism is a central trope in his messaging to Russians to push them to support his war in Ukraine, with the Kremlin’s propaganda falsely describing the Ukrainians as modern-day Nazis and twisting reality to describe the Russian invasion as a defensive war.

On Wednesday, the Kremlin’s spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, told reporters that Mr. Putin would hold a meeting to discuss the consequences of “bombardment by Nazi formations from Ukraine” in Russia’s border regions. And in a meeting with World War II veterans last month, Mr. Putin reprised his description of Ukraine’s current government as carrying on the legacy of the Nazis of World War II.

“The neo-Nazis who have gained ground and are running the show in Ukraine,” Mr. Putin claimed in the January meeting, must be punished for carrying out “crimes against civilians.”

“It is essential to record everything they are doing now, especially to civilians,” he said, falsely drawing a parallel with Nazi crimes in World War II.

Mr. Putin’s last delivered a speech at a major public event in September on Red Square in Moscow, celebrating Russia’s illegal annexation of four Ukrainian regions.

Ukraine has dealt Moscow further military setbacks since then, forcing a Russian retreat in November from the city of Kherson. Mr. Putin is also facing pressure because of heavy casualties in fierce fighting around the city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, as well as the West’s pledge to provide battle tanks to Ukraine.

— Anton Troianovski https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/02/world/russia-ukraine-news

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The Grisly Cult of the Wagner Group’s Sledgehammer

The tool Russian mercenaries used to kill a Syrian army deserter and others has become a violent meme, similar to the Punisher logo in the U.S.

In the long, terrible history of the Syrian civil war, a 2017 video of a war crime committed by Russian mercenaries still stands out for its horror. The videotaped torture and murder of Hamadi Bouta, a Syrian Army deserter, by members of the notorious Russian-led Wagner Group generated global outrage as well as a legal case against the paramilitary organization. The footage of Bouta being beaten to death with a sledgehammer before his body was beheaded and set on fire rivaled the worst atrocities publicized by the Islamic State. Yet the film did not horrify everyone who saw it.

Among members of the Wagner Group and its supporters, the video of Bouta’s murder has given rise to a culture glorifying violence against noncombatants that is explicitly centered on the symbol of the sledgehammer. This cult is now being embraced by leaders of the group, including its founder Yevgeny Prigozhin, who have turned the sledgehammer into part of its brand. T-shirts and other merchandise depict sledgehammers alongside the Wagner logo, while both supporters and members of the group have taken to picturing themselves holding both real sledgehammers and replicas in photographs shared online, often while dressed in imitation of the killers from the footage.

Wagner now seems to be making the sledgehammer its official calling card. Last November, on the heels of a symbolic European Union resolution designating Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism, Prigozhin sent a sledgehammer smeared with fake blood to the European Union Parliament. That was followed by another incident in which a group of Russian ultranationalists threw sledgehammers at the Finnish Embassy in Moscow. Last month, Sergei Mironov, a Russian parliamentarian who heads an ultranationalist party, posted a photo of himself posing with a sledgehammer branded with Wagner’s logo atop an engraving of a pile of skulls, in yet another visual tribute to the group.

The macabre culture around Wagner Group comes at a time when it is ascendant within the Russian state and is making a strong recruiting push, appealing to foreign volunteers, including Americans, to join the group.

“A lot of the content that I see on Telegram and elsewhere is eerily reminiscent of neo-Nazi propaganda, which is an aesthetic that they seem to have copied,” said Colin P. Clarke, the director of policy and research at the Soufan Group, a global intelligence and security consulting firm that monitors Wagner activity online. “It makes sense given the audience they are trying to recruit, who are, essentially, for lack of a better word, sociopaths.”

Clarke said that Wagner’s recruiting pitch was in many ways reminiscent of the Islamic State, which had its own distinctive methods of carrying out executions and promised its fighters similar spoils — including sex slaves and property confiscated from minorities in Iraq and Syria — in exchange for their service. Similarly to the Islamic State, Wagner fighters have been accused of torture, murder, sexual violence, and looting in many areas where the group operates. Its brutality is increasingly seen as part of its sales pitch to potential clients, particularly in weak and failing states where governments are unconcerned with human rights abuses.

“As long as you go in and get the job done, no one is going to ask any questions about how you behave,” Clarke said, commenting on the culture promoted to recruits of the group. “That’s part of their brand right now.”

The creation of a cult of violence in wartime is not a uniquely Russian pathology. During the U.S.-led global war on terrorism, certain weapons, including tomahawks used by U.S. special forces to bludgeon enemies, became part of a culture glorifying death that took root among some members of the military and on the right-wing fringes of American society. The ubiquity today of the Punisher logo, popularized during the wars and now common among police officers domestically, is yet another legacy of the war’s cultural impact at home.

The mercenaries enforce Russian foreign policy goals even as their private military contractor status provides a measure of plausible deniability.

The U.S. also employed private military contractors during its conflicts, most notoriously the company formerly known as Blackwater, and many of them also engaged in crimes during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite their brutality, however, none of them matched the political prominence of Wagner, which is rapidly becoming an integral part of Russian foreign policy. In addition to its role in Ukraine, where the group is said to field thousands of fighters, including prisoners convicted of serious crimes like rape and murder who have been offered a chance to fight in exchange for their freedom, Wagner mercenaries are now active across Africa and the Middle East. In those regions, the mercenaries enforce Russian foreign policy goals even as their private military contractor status provides a measure of plausible deniability. In countries like Mali, Libya, and the Central African Republic, Wagner mercenaries have been accused of participating in war crimes and exploiting natural resources as part of lucrative security arrangements with local leaders.

In a system where power is largely centralized around President Vladimir Putin, Prigozhin, an ex-convict who formerly worked as contractor providing lunches for Russian schools, has emerged as a political force in his own right, becoming the focal point for ultranationalist sentiments even more extreme than those represented by Putin and feuding with members of the military elite. In some quarters, Prigozhin and his group are even rumored to be possible challengers for power.

“The post-Soviet Russian state has always had two facets: the criminal element which Prigozhin represents, and the intelligence and military bureaucracy,” said Chris Elliott, a Ph.D. researcher at King’s College London focused on the study of political violence and war crimes. “Wagner becoming a more important tool of Russian foreign policy is really about the increased importance that criminal element has in pulling the levers of the state.”

In that light, the culture of the Wagner Group and its embrace of ultraviolence, with the sledgehammer as its symbol, sends a chilling warning about the trajectory of Russia under its present regime.
The sledgehammer is not merely a symbol either. Late last year, the Wagner-linked Telegram channel Grey Zone posted a video of a defector from the group who had attempted to join Ukrainian forces being murdered with a sledgehammer in a manner similar to Hamadi Bouta. The video was posted along with an approving comment from Prigozhin, saying that the executed man had received “a dog’s death for a dog.” As the group ramps up its operations around the world, this is unlikely to be its last snuff film.

As one Russian oligarch reportedly put it, speaking on the growing culture glorifying violence around Wagner and its rise within a Russian state where criminals increasingly call the shots, “the sledgehammer is a message to all of us.”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230202180749/https://theintercept.com/20
23/02/02/wagner-group-violence-sledgehammer
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As one Russian oligarch reportedly put it, speaking on the growing culture glorifying violence around Wagner and its rise within a Russian state where criminals increasingly call the shots, “the sledgehammer is a message to all of us.”



Oh yeah? Who said it?

Give me a name. Now.

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Originally posted by second:The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk? Whatever. Russians are not keeping that agreement, or any other:


Exactly. Ukrainians aren't fools. They've been burned by Russian "agreements" before.

The problems with Minsk:

1) Ukraine was forced to sign it with a Russian gun to its head after Russia's 2014/15 invasion. It was a surrender treaty, imposed by an aggressor nation
2) It relied on trusting Russia to keep its end of the deal (fair elections in Donbas and returning border control to Ukraine - LOL)
3) Having a Moscow-controlled region inside Ukraine would destroy Ukrainian sovereignty and paralyse Ukrainian politics - which was Putin's aim

Yes, Minsk was Putin's "peace" terms. Ukrainians chose freedom.

Slava Ukraini.

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Originally posted by second:
As one Russian oligarch reportedly put it, speaking on the growing culture glorifying violence around Wagner and its rise within a Russian state where criminals increasingly call the shots, “the sledgehammer is a message to all of us.”



Oh yeah? Who said it?

Give me a name. Now.

Boris Badenov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Badenov

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As one Russian oligarch reportedly put it, speaking on the growing culture glorifying violence around Wagner and its rise within a Russian state where criminals increasingly call the shots, “the sledgehammer is a message to all of us.”



Oh yeah? Who said it?

Give me a name. Now.

Boris Badenov



Holy shit. It's got a sense of humor.

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Russian army officer admits that troops tortured Ukrainian soldiers

Allegations of brutal interrogations, where Ukrainian men were shot and threatened with rape, have been made by a former Russian military officer.

Konstantin Yefremov, the most senior officer to speak openly, told the BBC in an exclusive interview Russia now sees him as a traitor and defector, and he has now fled the country.



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Ukraine Claims Destruction of Russian Air Defense System 'Burned Brightly'

According to a tweet from an open-source intelligence account on Twitter, the arctic missile defense system was positioned outside of Chelburda, a village in the Kherson region in southern Ukraine. Prior to being positioned in December, the account reported that the Tor-M2DT was originally deployed along the Finnish border in the Russian town of Alakurtti.

As Newsweek has previously reported, the press service of the Kherson regional military administration said Sunday that Russian forces had been using banned munitions in the shelling of civilian-populated areas in the Beryslav district.

Video at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-says-destruction-russian-air-defense-
system-burned-brightly-1778679


Russian air defense system couldn't detect a drone flying overhead, while targeting the system, then failed to detect the munitions sent in to destroy it...while the drone continued to fly overhead and witness the whole thing.

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Western nations have frozen as much as $500 billion in Russian assets since Moscow's full-scale invasion of Ukraine began in February 2022—a vast collection of funds that Kyiv is eyeing to help foot its massive reconstruction bill.

Kyiv, facing an ever-inflating reconstruction bill that is currently thought to be around $750 billion, is eyeing the funds that Moscow and its operatives were unable to extricate or hide.

"This is one of the most urgent topics for us," Oleg Ustenko—an economic adviser to President Volodymyr Zelensky—told Newsweek.

Ukraine has established a "fast-track recovery plan" it hopes will form the first phase of a larger reconstruction. The proposal focuses on the most critical infrastructure destroyed by Russia's invasion, occupation, and missile bombardment campaign.

"There is an understanding that these atrocities and war crimes can't just pass without making Russia pay for some of it. But to put in place the legal framework...it gets tricky."

"The picture is not as rosy as Ukraine wants, but I think some of it might be possible because there is the political will."

https://www.newsweek.com/making-vladimir-putin-oligarchs-pay-russia-wa
r-ukraine-sanctions-frozen-assets-1778702


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This is another one of those "Bigshot Russki says whatever pops into his fathead" stories because he is being interviewed on TV and has nothing substantial to brag about:

Russia's Sergei Lavrov Accuses U.S. of Nord Stream Pipeline Attack

BY ISABEL VAN BRUGEN ON 2/2/23

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused the U.S. on Thursday of being involved in the explosions that damaged the Nord Stream gas pipelines under the Baltic Sea last September.

In an interview on state TV, Lavrov said remarks made by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland at a Senate hearing on January 26 were evidence that Washington was behind the blasts.

After leaks occurred on the two Nord Stream natural gas pipelines linking Russia and Germany last September, a Swedish investigation found evidence of detonations, pointing to sabotage. President Joe Biden called the leaks a "deliberate act of sabotage" at the time, though he did not directly accuse Moscow of being responsible.

Lavrov has now seized on recent comments by Nuland to suggest they point to U.S. involvement in the blasts.

At the January 26 Senate hearing, Nuland became involved in a discussion with Senator Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican, about whether the Russian invasion of Ukraine could have been prevented if the U.S. had passed sanctions against the new Nord Stream 2 pipeline, carrying natural gas from Russia to Germany, in January of last year.

"Senator Cruz, like you, I am, and I think the administration is, very gratified to know that Nord Stream 2 is now, as you like to say, a hunk of metal at the bottom of the sea," she said at one point.

Her comment clearly meant that the Biden administration was pleased that the $11 billion Russian-owned pipeline—which the U.S. had opposed for years on the grounds that it increased European reliance on Russian energy—is not being used. Germany halted the recently finished project just before the invasion last February after Russia formally recognized two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.

Lavrov said Thursday, however, that her remarks to the Senate proved the United States was directly involved. Nuland effectively made a "confession," he said.

"And this is not only the direct participation of the United States in the Nord Stream explosions. Now Nuland, in fact, has made a confession," Lavrov said in an interview with the Rossiya 24 TV channel and the state-run news agency RIA Novosti.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/sergei-lavrov-us-nord-stream-pipeline-attack-
1778499


In other news "Pathological lying (by American politicians, not Putin or his henchmen) could finally be getting attention as a mental disorder"
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/03/health/santos-lying-disorder-wellness/i
ndex.html

Psychiatrists have recognized pathological lying as a mental affliction since the late 1800s, yet experts say it has never been given serious attention, funding or real study. Instead, it is recognized as a feature of other diagnoses, like personality disorders.

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Friday, February 3, 2023 11:50 AM

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All Ukraine had to do to avoid this clusterfuck was IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement. Yanno, the one they signed that had been approved by the western powers in the UN Security Council.

Now they're saying -out loud- that the only reason they signed was to buy time to arm up. Then they massed forces on their eastern border in late 2021.

They got what they deserved: being used as a pawn in our fight to destroy Russia. Too bad for them.

"IMPLEMENT THE MISSJ agreement"? What a puzzle for me. Oh! You meant "Minsk agreements". The Russians are pretending that they kept their agreements. Like Signym, Russians can't even spell MISSJ. Or is it Minsk?



Sigs can spell just fine. She's no Ted.

You already know the reason that her spelling/grammar has taken a hit recently because it was discussed in the Garden and you read everything that's posted in there even though you don't participate because you're a creep.

Just now I picked up my phone and said one word: "Minsk" to Google voice typing, with absolutely no context to help decipher what I said. And guess what appeared on the screen? It wasn't "MISSJ". It was "Minsk". If Signym can't type, I am pretty sure Signym can talk all day and give excruciatingly long defenses of Putin, Russia, Trump, etc. Tell everybody how wonderful Russia is, Signym, and that the world would be better if Russia, not the USA, was the richest country in the world, rather than Russia being the biggest and stupidest.

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The war is not yet over, but Ukraine has already lost


https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3261607-the-war-is-not-yet-o
ver-but-ukraine-has-already-lost
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The war is not yet over, but Ukraine has already lost


https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3261607-the-war-is-not-yet-o
ver-but-ukraine-has-already-lost
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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake



That article is 10 months old and already parts of it have aged very badly.

Some of the inevitablist prophecies we've heard in this conflict:

"Helping Ukraine with weapons is pointless, Kyiv will fall in days..."
"Ukraine won't be able to stop the Russia army in the east..."
"Ukraine won't be able to launch offensives to win back its territory..."
"Soviet-trained Ukrainian forces won't be able to effectively use Western weapons..."
"Russia's mobilisation of hundreds of thousands will see it slowly crush Ukrainian forces..."

Here's to Ukraine continuing to prove the inevitablists wrong :)

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Friday, February 3, 2023 5:50 PM

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War in Ukraine demilitarizing the USA

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CSIS urges US to promptly hoard critical weapons


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Empty Bins in a Wartime Environment: The Challenge to the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
...The war in Ukraine has also exposed serious deficiencies in the U.S. defense industrial base and serves as a stark reminder that a protracted conflict is likely to be an industrial war that requires a defense industry able to manufacture enough munitions, weapons systems, and matériel to replace depleted stockpiles.



https://www.csis.org/analysis/empty-bins-wartime-environment-challenge
-us-defense-industrial-base



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Top Russian Official Blames America's Values for Sparking Ukraine War

During his interview, Lavrov referenced an opinion story written by Jake Sullivan — national security adviser to President Joe Biden — that was published by The Atlantic in 2019.

"No vision of American exceptionalism can succeed if the United States does not defeat the emerging vision that emphasizes ethnic and cultural identity," Sullivan wrote in the story, as noted by Lavrov. (Unsurprising, Lavrov chopped off half the sentence and thus changed the meaning of the original sentence. But what else do you expect from Lavrov? He is a sneaky, twisty snake.)

The Russian official also referenced another passage from Sullivan that said: "The core purpose of American foreign policy must be to protect and defend the American way of life."

Lavrov said such statements are "terrible" and take away from other nations "the right to remember their history."

He went on to claim that the U.S. government applies this philosophy in its relations to other countries. See Note 1.

"Just like they melted in a pot everyone who arrived in America, they now want to melt everyone else, so they essentially become Americans," the foreign minister said.

Elsewhere in the interview, Lavrov condemned NATO for continuing to supply Kyiv with military and financial aid.

"The whole of NATO is fighting against us, and all those allegations and incantations that 'we are not fighting, but only arming' — this is ridiculous," he said.

As he has before, Lavrov also claimed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is being manipulated by Western countries.

More at https://www.newsweek.com/russian-official-sergey-lavrov-blames-us-valu
es-sparking-ukraine-war-1778640


Note 1: It is self-evident that Lavrov chose to misinterpret the article, but what else would you expect from him? Lavrov was referring to the article “What Donald Trump and Dick Cheney Got Wrong About America” by Jake Sullivan.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230105225736/https://www.theatlantic.com
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We allowed an important idea — American exceptionalism — ­to be hijacked and misused. Now we need to rescue that idea and let it guide America at home and abroad.

For example, Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz published a book a few years ago called Exceptional, in which they boast of America’s unmatched “goodness” and “greatness” — conceding nothing, admitting no error. In their telling, the Vietnam and Iraq Wars were sound strategic decisions. George W. Bush’s administration’s use of torture was right; its critics were wrong. And on and on. Young people hear these kinds of arguments and say, Count us out.

Meanwhile, older generations are tilting toward a different outlook: the United States as the world’s No. 1 sucker. It’s time, many believe, to stop shouldering the burdens and letting others enjoy the benefits. This is Trump’s vision of “America first.” He is hostile toward America’s allies and contemptuous of cooperation. He loves to goad and bully (and even bomb) other countries and says alarming and irresponsible things about nuclear war. He has pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, the Paris climate agreement, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and more. He is not preaching isolationism; he is preaching predatory unilateralism.

Trump’s approach is dangerous, but he has surfaced questions that need clear answers. Those of us who believe that the United States can and should continue to occupy a global leadership role, even if a different role than in the past, have to explain why Trump is wrong — and provide a better strategy for the future.

II. Self-Correction, Self-Renewal

American exceptionalism has meant different things to different people at different times: the unique geographic advantages of the continent, the story of the Revolution and the writing of the Constitution, the legacy of the frontier, the impulse to universalize the American experience. Some have taken this to an extreme, asserting that America is blessed by divine providence.

There is a common thread: the idea that the United States has a set of characteristics that gives it a unique capacity and responsibility to help make the world a better place.

Most people are familiar with the standard story of how those characteristics have guided American foreign policy in the modern era. The United States stopped Hitler’s Germany, saved Western Europe from economic ruin, stood firm against the Soviet Union, and supported the spread of democracy worldwide. This story has always been compelling. It is also incomplete. Americans are no longer buying it at face value. What about the mistakes, the complexities, the imperfections — things like covert regime change across Latin America, support for brutal dictators, the invasion of Iraq, and the tragedies (despite the best of intentions) of Somalia and Libya? The Cheney version either ignores this dark underbelly or insists that the United States is “saved,” as it were, and therefore cannot sin. It is a self-serving lie that has generated skepticism about America’s strengths and virtues.

Still, the exceptionalist idea has proved resilient, no matter how many experts declare it useless or wrong. The expectation that the United States can do, and be, better runs deep — even among America’s fiercest critics. One such critic, the journalist Suzy Hansen, used the phrase broken heart in her book, Notes on a Foreign Country, to describe the way many people feel about the reality of American power. The phrase reflects a perhaps unwitting expectation, a hope, that the U.S. will act differently from other powerful countries. The idea of American exceptionalism speaks to not just who we have been but who we can be.

A distinctive part of America’s postwar history has been the ability to adjust after failures and follies, which are an inevitable part of global leadership. The Marshall Plan and NATO came into being only after a period in which Harry Truman’s administration reduced the American footprint in Western Europe and imposed self-defeating conditions on economic assistance. The Bush-era HIV/aids program that saved millions of lives arrived many years after the woeful response to the epidemic by Ronald Reagan’s administration. In Latin America, from the end of the Cold War through the Barack Obama years, heavy-handed intervention and support for dictators gave way to mutual respect, engagement as equals, and the normalization of relations with Cuba.

This capacity for self-appraisal, self-correction, and self-renewal separates the United States from past superpowers.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20230105225736/https://www.theatlantic.com
/magazine/archive/2019/01/yes-america-can-still-lead-the-world/576427
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War in Ukraine demilitarizing the USA

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CSIS urges US to promptly hoard critical weapons


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Empty Bins in a Wartime Environment: The Challenge to the U.S. Defense Industrial Base
...The war in Ukraine has also exposed serious deficiencies in the U.S. defense industrial base and serves as a stark reminder that a protracted conflict is likely to be an industrial war that requires a defense industry able to manufacture enough munitions, weapons systems, and matériel to replace depleted stockpiles.



https://www.csis.org/analysis/empty-bins-wartime-environment-challenge
-us-defense-industrial-base







Nah, unlike Russia, America and our allies can make more. And work overtime doing it.

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Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics

The Russian military has been following the Wagner playbook and deliberately using the poorly trained troops to draw, and deplete, Ukrainian fire, senior American military and defense officials said.

Kusti Salm, Estonia’s deputy defense minister, in a briefing with reporters in Washington last week, said that Russia was better able to stand its losses than Ukraine.

“In this particular area, the Russians have employed around 40,000 to 50,000 inmates or prisoners,” Mr. Salm said. “They are going up against regular soldiers, people with families, people with regular training, valuable people for the Ukrainian military.”

“So the exchange rate is unfair,” he added. “It’s not one to one because for Russia, inmates are expendable. From an operational perspective, this is a very unfair deal for the Ukrainians and a clever tactical move from the Russian side.”

Moscow has thrown people it sees as expendable into battles for decades, if not centuries. During World War II, Joseph Stalin sent close to one million prisoners to the front. Boris Sokolov, a Russia historian, describes in a piece called “Gulag Reserves” in the Russian opposition magazine Grani.ru that an additional one million “special settlers” — deportees and others viewed by the Soviet government as second-class citizens — were also forced to fight during World War II.
( https://graniru-org.translate.goog/opinion/sokolov/m.285481.html?_x_tr
_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
)

“In essence, it does not matter how big the Russian losses are, since their overall human resource is much greater than Ukraine’s,” Mr. Salm, the Estonian official, said in a follow-up email. “In Russia the life of a soldier is worth nothing. A dead soldier, on the other hand, is a hero, regardless of how he died. All lost soldiers can be replaced, and the number of losses will not shift the public opinion against the war.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualti
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Saturday, February 4, 2023 11:02 AM

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It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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And stupid ones at that.
They eat heaping mounds of steaming shit bfast, lunch, and dinner and thinks it's tasty.

Eeeew.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

EU to Train 30,000 Ukrainian Troops as Kiev’s Losses Mount

by Kyle Anzalone and Connor Freeman | Feb 2, 2023

The European Union doubled its pledge to train Ukrainian forces from 15,000 to 30,000 troops. The EU made the announcement shortly after Berlin found Kiev was losing hundreds of soldiers a day fighting in just one Eastern Ukrainian city.
...

The war has dragged on for nearly a year and Ukraine has reportedly suffered significant losses. In November, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said 120,000 Ukrainians had been killed, claiming 20,000 were civilians. More recently, the German foreign intelligence service has assessed that Kiev is losing a “three-digit number” of forces every day as Ukraine and Russia battle for the city of Bakhmut.




MORE AT https://libertarianinstitute.org/news/eu-to-train-30000-ukrainian-troo
ps-as-kievs-losses-mount
/

Let's see... Since they said "triple digits" that could be anywhere from 100 to 999. At 100 Kiev soldiers killed every day, that's about 3,000 per month, or 36,000 per year. At the upper (unlikely) end that's about 360,000 in a year. In one battlefield alone.

Yanno, you would think cognitive dissonance alone would be enough to fry their poor little brains. Its widely acknowleged that Russia has at least a 10:1 advantage in artillery. That is dismissed as being superior in numbers but inaccurate. It's widely held that Russia is reducing cities to rubble, and then turning the rubble to dust. But then, it's claimed that Russia uses "human wave" tactics. So, what is the Russian command presumably doing? Sending waves of their own troops into their own artillery fire?

Isn't it more likely that Russia is pounding Ukrainian positions to rubble first, destroyng armored vehicles, trenches, bunkers and artillery, killing hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers, and THEN sending in their infantry?

And given weapons superiority, isn't it more likely that Russian troops are killing far more Ukrainians than the other way around? I mean, how izzit that Ukies are killing so many Russians? With their 5 remaining HIMARS? By throwing rocks?

The problem with cognitive dissonance is that it requires thinking in order to experience it. Facts must be brought together before colliding. Considering SECOND's inevitable self contradicions, I think we can rule him out as a thinker. and given THUGR's massive reality denial, we can rule him out, too.

BTW, the BBC's latest estimate of Russian dead (about a month ago) is about 12,000. Not 200,000.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 2:37 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's amazing how the Democrat politicians and the Democrat ran media have turned the Democrat voters into NeoCon warmongers.

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

And stupid ones at that.
They eat heaping mounds of steaming shit bfast, lunch, and dinner and thinks it's tasty.

Eeeew.

What I find amazing is that when Russians go on murder rampages, as they did in the immediate aftermath of WWII when Russians were killing German civilians who had surrendered, the Republicans of the world pretended like none of this was happening. The Russians killed a couple of million Germans after the surrender. See Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–1950), if you want to know.

And then there is the little twist where Russians built their first A-bomb and they immediately threatened to nuke the US. The Russians built their first H-bomb and they immediately threatened to nuke the US. The US then spent, adjusting for inflation, $6 trillion on ICBMs, nuclear subs, missile silos and its own bombs to counter the threatening Russians.

And what was old is now new with Russians. The Russians are back and threatening to nuke the US, but they make the threat everyday. In olden times, the Russians won't be so blatantly hostile, instead saving their threats for special annual occasions such as May Day parades.

If the US spent $6 trillion in the past to counter the Russians' nuclear threats, which lived mostly in the imaginations of Russians, the US can afford to spend another $1 trillion on the very real threats from Russians acting on their bloody impulses to murder women and children in Ukraine.

If the Russians actual take Ukraine, the next step is take back land that was once part of the USSR and the Warsaw Pact. And there will be more Russian threats of nuking the US. It would be kind of wasteful for the US to spend another $6 trillion, to go with the previous $6 trillion, for even more nukes to counter Russia. It is much better for Ukraine to beat some sense into Russian thick skulls. Russia is the biggest and stupidest country in the world, and very proud of it!

The Costs of U.S. Nuclear Weapons
https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/costs-us-nuclear-weapons/

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 2:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Dud Russia nuke anyone?
No
It was the USA, not once but twice.
If you want to look at a war criminal, SECOND, go look in a mirror.
But that would cause cognitive dissonance, and we know you don't experience cognition, so....


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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Dud Russia nuke anyone?
No
It was the USA, not once but twice.
If you want to look at a war criminal, SECOND, go look in a mirror.
But that would cause cognitive dissonance, and we know you don't experience cognition, so....

Over and over, Putin has mentioned the US nuking Japan. You are doing what Putin is doing, the famous whataboutism that all Russian diplomats engage in. Could you stop repeating Putin's talking points, Signym? I am talking about the US spending another $6 trillion to counter the threats that Putin makes every day to nuke the US. It sure would be a nicer world if Putin could control his need to murder women and children in Ukraine. And while Putin gets some stronger self-control, he could also stop threatening to nuke the US.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:19 PM

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It would be nicer if Ukraine went where California belongs and just disappears.

Fuck Ukraine.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:31 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It would be nicer if Ukraine went where California belongs and just disappears.

Fuck Ukraine.

Putin has your problem. There are people he feels are threatening him by just their very existence and he is making them disappear so that he can feel safer.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:36 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Dud Russia nuke anyone?
No
It was the USA, not once but twice.
If you want to look at a war criminal, SECOND, go look in a mirror.
But that would cause cognitive dissonance, and we know you don't experience cognition, so....

Over and over, Putin has mentioned the US nuking Japan. You are doing what Putin is doing, the famous whataboutism that all Russian diplomats engage in. Could you stop repeating Putin's talking points, Signym? I am talking about the US spending another $6 trillion to counter the threats that Putin makes every day to nuke the US. It sure would be a nicer world if Putin could control his need to murder women and children in Ukraine. And while Putin gets some stronger self-control, he could also stop threatening to nuke the US.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Truth hurts, doesn't it, SECOND?

If you want to see a war criminal, look in a mirror.


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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:44 PM

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Truth hurts, doesn't it, SECOND?

If you want to see a war criminal, look in a mirror.

Describe these crimes you think I committed. If you tell me about the imaginary crimes you concocted around me, I will then know a great deal about you. I am truly curious about how you see the world.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:59 PM

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Shooting civilians from a helicopter. Something you said you did while conserving ammunition by taking careful aim.



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Saturday, February 4, 2023 4:33 PM

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Shooting civilians from a helicopter. Something you said you did while conserving ammunition by taking careful aim.

I would have remembered if it had happened. Putin has the same active imagination as you do, Signym, where Russians really kill Ukrainian civilians but Putin actively reinterpreted reality as dreams where Ukrainians killed Ukrainian civilians to make Russians look like war criminals. It is Putin saying "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." I do wish Putin would get a growth spurt and become an adult. He is so short and compensates by being a belligerent little boy, ruler of the largest yet stupidest country in the world.

1) 'Kill everyone': Russian violence in Ukraine was strategic
Oct 27, 2022
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-europe-middle-east-gove
rnment-and-politics-e3756976cf33cf5de29aa62d61ea7eb6


2) Ukraine: Russia’s unlawful transfer of civilians a war crime and likely a crime against humanity – new report
November 10, 2022
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/11/ukraine-russias-unlawfu
l-transfer-of-civilians-a-war-crime-and-likely-a-crime-against-humanity-new-report
/

3) Evidence of Russian war crimes mounts as invasion of Ukraine drags on
Dec 30, 2022
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/evidence-of-russian-war-crimes-moun
ts-as-invasion-of-ukraine-drags-on


4) Russia has committed more than 65,000 war crimes in Ukraine, prosecutor general says
Feb 1, 2023
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/01/ukraine-russia-war-65000-war-crimes-co
mmitted-prosecutor-general-says.html


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Saturday, February 4, 2023 5:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It would be nicer if Ukraine went where California belongs and just disappears.

Fuck Ukraine.

Putin has your problem. There are people he feels are threatening him by just their very existence and he is making them disappear so that he can feel safer.



Those people would be NATO. Unfortunately, he's not getting rid of any of them. They're using Ukrainians as meat shields.


And no. That's not my problem. Idiots like you are no threat to my existence.

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Saturday, February 4, 2023 5:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It would be nicer if Ukraine went where California belongs and just disappears.

Fuck Ukraine.

Putin has your problem. There are people he feels are threatening him by just their very existence and he is making them disappear so that he can feel safer.



Those people would be NATO. Unfortunately, he's not getting rid of any of them. They're using Ukrainians as meat shields.


And no. That's not my problem. Idiots like you are no threat to my existence.

Meat shields? You can't stop yourself from misunderstanding even the simplest, most straightforward situations, can you? I bet you have enormous difficulties when conceptualizing and problem-solving more complex interactions close to home.

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