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Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).

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The USA started out with slavery. Since you insist that nations repeat their history, even from centuries ago, the USA is obviously a slave-nation today.

SECIND: Unfortunately for amnesiac Russians and Signym, today's Ukrainians remember the millions of Ukrainians killed by Russians in the past and know that Russians in the present day will kill millions of Ukrainians if the war is lost.

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That's what I call "projection".

Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot). So: Nazis then, Nazis now?

Russia has been very restrained, protecting civilians and infrastructure as much as possible. SECOND mistakes restraint for weakness

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SECOND: Have you never been to Texas?

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I've been to Texas.

Have you ever been to western New York state or southern California?

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SECOND: In construction, illegal workers are treated worse than in slavery.

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Yep! Cheap labor. That's must be why you like illegals so much. After all, YOU'RE a Texas businessman. They work hard, for cheap!

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Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).

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Err, Norway and Denmark were invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. As for Finland and Ukraine - I can see that you're not interested in nuance, Sig, but for anyone else who's interested: Finland was invaded by the USSR just before WWII and formed an alliance with the Nazis in order to liberate its territory - but after that held back from helping the Nazis, e.g. during the Siege of Leningrad. Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, was invaded and brutalised by the Nazis, and millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army against the Nazis. Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his followers famously sided with the Nazis, hoping (foolishly) to gain an independent Ukrainian state. Some Ukrainians still revere Bandera today for his pro-Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance, and either overlook the cosying up to the Nazis, or don't care, or even actively approve.

Kremlin propagandists have sought to equate Ukrainians' desire for independence with Nazi ideology ever since, to the ridiculous extent that even under a Jewish President Ukraine is called a "Nazi state".

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So who's sockpuppet is K2PO?

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Growing up in a Republic was nice... Shame we couldn't keep it.

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IIRC the original KPO was G aka CAPNCRUNCH aka... too many to remember.

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Unfortunately for amnesiac SECOND, Ukraine was on the side of the NAZIS in WWII (just like Norway, Finland, and Denmark- another thing SECOND forgot).

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Err, Norway and Denmark were invaded and occupied by Nazi Germany. As for Finland and Ukraine - I can see that you're not interested in nuance, Sig, but for anyone else who's interested: Finland was invaded by the USSR just before WWII and formed an alliance with the Nazis in order to liberate its territory - but after that held back from helping the Nazis, e.g. during the Siege of Leningrad. Ukraine, as a part of the Soviet Union, was invaded and brutalised by the Nazis, and millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army against the Nazis. Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his followers famously sided with the Nazis, hoping (foolishly) to gain an independent Ukrainian state. Some Ukrainians still revere Bandera today for his pro-Ukrainian anti-Soviet resistance, and either overlook the cosying up to the Nazis, or don't care, or even actively approve.

Kremlin propagandists have sought to equate Ukrainians' desire for independence with Nazi ideology ever since, to the ridiculous extent that even under a Jewish President Ukraine is called a "Nazi state".

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Denmark, whose citizens stepped forward to help a great many of their nation’s Jewish population escape to Sweden and elsewhere, and in many cases actively resisted the Nazis, also had a lot of Nazi sympathizers and collaborators. Thousands of Danes fought in the Waffen-SS during the war

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So who's sockpuppet is K2PO?

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IIRC the original KPO was G aka CAPNCRUNCH aka... too many to remember.

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so basically Denmark and Norway were like Vichy France, and Ukraine and Finland SIDED WITH THE NAZIS for nationalist reasons.

I do understand the mixed heritage of Europe. Poles, altho invaded by Germany, despised Jews as much as the Nazis. Maybe more so. They tolerated the Warsaw ghetto and many concentration camps. Sweden had its Nazi-lovers, which is reflected even recently in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Hungarian Nazi-collaborators were so vicious the German Nazis thought they were an embarrassment. Ukrainian nationalists were fully onboard with Nazi ideology, this was not just a marriage of convenience. Denmark, too, had a split population.

There were Lithuanian Nazis, Finnish Nazis, etc There was also a resistance (more active in some places than others).

Hungarian Nazis (Arrow Cross Party)

Ukrainian Nazis

Swedish Nazis

So these presumed "liberal democracies" don't have such a pure history.

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so basically Denmark and Norway were like Vichy France, and Ukraine and Finland SIDED WITH THE NAZIS for nationalist reasons.

I do understand the mixed heritage of Europe. Poles, altho invaded by Germany, despised Jews as much as the Nazis. Maybe more so. They tolerated the Warsaw ghetto and many concentration camps. Sweden had its Nazi-lovers, which is reflected even recently in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo". Hungarian Nazi-collaborators were so vicious the German Nazis thought they were an embarrassment. Ukrainian nationalists were fully onboard with Nazi ideology, this was not just a marriage of convenience. Denmark, too, had a split population.

There were Lithuanian Nazis, Finnish Nazis, etc There was also a resistance (more active in some places than others).

Hungarian Nazis (Arrow Cross Party)

Ukrainian Nazis

Swedish Nazis

So these presumed "liberal democracies" don't have such a pure history.

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Trump Disappointed After Holocaust Denier Tells Him Holocaust Never Happened

PALM BEACH, FL—Appearing crestfallen during a dinner with the white supremacist at his Mar-a-Lago estate, former President Donald Trump is said to have expressed deep sadness last week when he was told by Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes that the Holocaust never happened. “Wait, so all those stories I heard as a child about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews—those were just a fantasy?” said Trump, slumping his head and letting out a long sigh as he reportedly began to accept the belief that Adolf Hitler and his Nazis had not rounded up Jews and other marginalized people, shipped them to concentration camps, and exterminated as many as possible. “This is terrible news, what you’re telling me, absolutely terrible. Even Kristallnacht? I guess they just weren’t able to go through with it or something. That’s so sad.” According to sources, Fuentes comforted Trump by assuring him that if they worked together, the Holocaust did not have to remain a fantasy.

Pence says Trump was ‘wrong’ for dinner with Holocaust denier
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/28/politics/trump-dinner-holocaust-denier-
white-nationalist-pence-gop-condemn

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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LOL... that's the saddest lie of a story CNN has put out to date.

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It’s a sickness.

A war crime after a war crime.

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Signym likes to combine facts with falsehoods and quote sources that do the same.

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Trump
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There Is Growing Annoyance With The Polish Position": EU Fails To Agree On Russian Oil Price Cap As Full Ban Looms

Monday, Nov 28, 2022 - 11:45 PM

In its relentless pursuit of virtue-signaling hills that it is willing to die on within minutes, several months ago the EU had a brilliant idea: let's implement a toothless oil price cap on Russian oil exports, one which actually has zero impact on deeply discounted Russian oil and thus doesn't lead to any more European energy shocks, but because of the optics and the much "lower" permitted transaction price, it will make for great headlines and show the world just how powerful the EU is.

Well, the plan almost worked... until Poland the Baltics forgot to read the fine print, thought that Europe actually does mean business, and blew up the deal.

Recall on Friday, negotiations on the Russian oil price cap were suspended - despite a willingness by most European nations to just cross the checkmark and move on - as Poland and the Baltic states objected to a proposed ceiling of $65.

There was some hope that this opposition was just for show, and that come Monday the Poles would relent after some "closed door" negotiations, Europe would slap a $65 price cap, Russia would continue to sell its oil to China and India, and - quietly - to Europe, and gradually renormalize a fractured oil market where India and China pay a 25% discount for oil while the rest of the world has to pay a premium as an offset.

However, it was not meant to be, and on Monday European Union governments again failed to agree on a price cap on Russian seaborne crude oil, as Poland again insisted that the cap had to be set lower than proposed by the G7 to cut Moscow's ability to finance its invasion of Ukraine, diplomats told Reuters.

"There is no deal. The legal texts have now been agreed, but Poland still can't agree to the price," one diplomat said. No new date for talks has been set yet, diplomats said, even though a far worse outcome may await Europe in just one week: as a reminder, the price cap mechanism is to enter into force on Dec. 5. And if there is no agreement on the G7 price cap idea by next Monday, the EU would implement harsher measures agreed at the end of May - a ban on all Russian crude oil imports from Dec. 5 and on petroleum products from Feb. 5, Polish diplomats said.

That would be a truly catastrophic scenario, and one which could promptly send the price of oil into the stratosphere as JPMorgan explained not too long ago.

To be sure, it's not too late for Poland to fall in line: Hungary and two other landlocked central European states secured exemptions from that ban for the pipeline imports they rely on. Meanwhile, even the G-7 group of nations has proposed a softer version of the EU ban to keep oil supply to the global economy steady, because Russia supplies 10% of the world's oil (see, it was all theater, everything - from day one - and politicians knew it as soon as they did the math).

It proposed that the EU and other global customers keep buying Russian crude, but only if its price is at or below a G7 agreed level. That would cut the Kremlin's revenues. The G7 has proposed a cap of $65-70 per barrel, but Poland and some others argue this will not hurt Moscow because Russian crude is already trading below that range at $63.50, and after today's oil price rollercoaster, the "Russian" price briefly dipped below $60.

With Russian production costs estimated at around $20, Moscow has a very large profit from its oil exports. Poland, Lithuania and Estonia have been pushing for a price cap of $30 per barrel.

And yet, despite consensus that Polish opposition would be overturned, the country's resolve has only hardened: "The Poles are completely uncompromising on the price, without suggesting an acceptable alternative," the EU diplomat said. "Clearly there is growing annoyance with the Polish position."

Which is hilarious because only Poland is adhering to the principle of what the price cap was supposed to achieve - namely choke off Russian oil profits; and yet for all the pompous rhetoric by G-7 nations, everyone is happy to keep the spectacle going knowing full well that this is just one giant virtue-signaling scheme. Everyone, except Poland that is... and as a result the "annoyance" is not with Putin but with the "Polish position" which is keeping fat European technocrats away from their well-deserved 3-star meals for a fake job well done.

Unlike Poland, other countries quickly fell in line when some money transfers were made: Malta, Cyprus and Greece were worried the G7 cap proposal was too low, hitting their large shipping industries, but diplomats said they got some "concessions" in the legal texts and were no longer an obstacle to a deal. Translation: the three countries would be the primary beneficiaries of Russian ship-to-ship transfers, which then flow through to the rest of Europe.

The idea to enforce the G7 cap is to prohibit shipping, insurance and re-insurance companies from handling cargoes of Russian crude around the globe, unless it is sold for less than the price set by the G7 and its allies.

As Reuters concludes, "because the world's key shipping and insurance firms are based in G7 countries, the price cap would make it very difficult for Moscow to sell its oil for a higher price"; what Reuters meant is that only Poland is doing everything in its power to sell its oil for a higher price, when the rest of the EU and G7 have already decided to turn the page on this matter.

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Trump
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Signym, did you misunderstand that Putin's people are angry about Russians being accused of war crimes when they are only killing civilians for the glory of Russia?

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Speaking of Poland...

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

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For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy, but frequently used. Too late they wonder why things go wrong for them. This strategy for handling disagreeable news is not helping them cope.

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Signym, did you misunderstand that Putin's people are angry about Russians being accused of war crimes when they are only killing civilians for the glory of Russia?

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

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Belarus dictator 'fears for his life after minister murdered with Russian poison'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/belarus-dictator-fears-for-his-li
fe-after-minister-murdered-with-russian-poison/ar-AA14FtjV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=24a78f5a6afa458ea348e9bd8d39d124

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

SECIND: For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy,

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

SECIND: For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy,

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I'm not ignoring unpleasant news, SECOND. I'm ignoring YOU, bc you're a troll.

Maybe... MAYBE ... what you post about yourself is true IDK. But I can't recall a single time you posted the truth about anything else. Not even accidentally.

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

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For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy, but frequently used. Too late they wonder why things go wrong for them. This strategy for handling disagreeable news is not helping them cope.

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Second posting about how nothing has ever gone wrong for him. His life is perfect because he didn't vote for Trump, you see.

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.

After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

SECOND: For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy, but frequently used. Too late they wonder why things go wrong for them. This strategy for handling disagreeable news is not helping them cope.

SIX: Second posting about how nothing has ever gone wrong for him. His life is perfect because he didn't vote for Trump, you see


SECOND: 6ix, you are not a picture of mental well-being.

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I got as far as your mention of Trump.
After that, I tossed your posts into the mental trash, where they belong.

SECOND: For both Russians and Trumptards, ignoring what they wish wasn't true is a very poor strategy.

SIGNY: I'm not ignoring unpleasant news, SECOND. I'm ignoring YOU, bc you're a troll.
Maybe... MAYBE ... what you post about yourself is true IDK. But I can't recall a single time you posted the truth about anything else. Not even accidentally.

SECOND: When the war finally comes to a close, Russia will say it won the war

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Oh, so now your crap has devolved from lying, libel, mind- reading, and projection to... prognostication?

/snicker

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Imagine, for a moment, 40 million people waking up every morning and thinking, “What can I do today to save lives and save my country?”

That is happening in Ukraine every single day.
blah blah blah

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a) Given the emigration of Ukrainians into other nations, especially draft-age men, and people seeking a better life, I doubt that "Ukraine" has 40 million within its former borders. 30 million. Maybe.

b) Somewhere in the realm of 1/3 of the remainder consider themselves more Russian than Ukrainian at this point, given how Kiev has abused them, and

c) of THAT remainder, if Ukraine follows the normal age distribution of EU nations, roughly 1/4 to 1/5 are younger than 10 and probably don't have much political thought. And some portion of the adult population just wants to get through the day with water and food and heat.

What you're left with is about 25 million at best.

It discredits your posts when you begin with nonsense, SECOND. And I don't care if you weren't the one to first publicize it, bc you chose to spread it.

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Imagine, for a moment, 40 million people waking up every morning and thinking, “What can I do today to save lives and save my country?”

That is happening in Ukraine every single day.
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a) Given the emigration of Ukrainians into other nations, especially draft-age men, and people seeking a better life, I doubt that "Ukraine" has 40 million within its former borders. 30 million. Maybe.

b) Somewhere in the realm of 1/3 of the remainder consider themselves more Russian than Ukrainian at this point, given how Kiev has abused them, and

c) of THAT remainder, if Ukraine follows the normal age distribution of EU nations, roughly 1/4 to 1/5 are younger than 10 and probably don't have much political thought. And some portion of the adult population just wants to get through the day with water and food and heat.

What you're left with is about 25 million at best.

It discredits your posts when you begin with nonsense, SECOND. And I don't care if you weren't the one to first publicize it, bc you chose to spread it.

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Russia was ravaged by the Nazis from 1941-1945, and pillaged by the west from 1990-2000.

PS: Gentle reader, don't expect me to sccop the poop after every single one of SECOND's posts. If I leave a post - or even many posts- unchallenged it's just bc I don't want to waste too much time on trolls.

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