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Fuck Ukraine.

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When it's announced that America is at war with Putin, and it's a legal war that Congress approves, let me know.

Until then, Putin and Russia are the victims here and I fully support Russia against the proxy war that NATO is waging through Ukraine while using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder.

As for you, Second... Get fucked you Neo-Con warmongering piece of shit.

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Polish Politician Blasts Ukraine For Missile "Provocation"

Thursday, Nov 17, 2022 - 03:27 PM

Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News,

A Polish politician has blamed Ukraine for causing a “provocation” by falsely claiming its own missile that struck Przewodow had been fired by Russia.

Immediately after news broke of the incident, President Zelensky called on NATO to take action against Russia, accusing Moscow of firing the rocket.

However, within hours it became clear that the accident, which killed two people, was actually caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile.

That didn’t stop British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, NATO and other prominent officials blaming Russia for the incident anyway, despite it clearly being Kiev’s fault.

Now the former chairman of the city council of Lublin, the seat of the region where Przewodow is located, is calling for Poland to rethink its approach to the war in light of the incident.

Having up until now been a staunch supporter of Ukraine, Jaroslaw Pakula said the missile accident showed Warsaw needed to send a blunt message to Kiev rather than telling its own citizens “fairy tales.”

“Of course, this is a Ukrainian rocket. Of course, this is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities,” Pakula posted on his Facebook page.

“The rocket could not be fired 100km in the opposite direction by mistake,” he added, asserting that the incident was an attempt to scare the EU into sending more money to Ukraine.

Demanding that Warsaw should “no longer put up with this behavior” from Ukraine, Pakula remarked, “I urge you to rethink Poland’s position [regarding] this war in the event that the red line is crossed again!”

Despite all evidence indicating the missile was fired by Ukraine, Zelensky has doubled down, denying that Kiev was involved and asking for his country to be at the forefront of an investigation.

However, after President Joe Biden swiftly said the evidence for Russia’s involvement was minimal, CNN reported that Ukrainian military officials told their American and western allies that they were responsible for the blast.

Kiev had “attempted to intercept a Russian missile” at the same location and in the same time france as when the missile strike at the Polish village of Przewowdow occurred, according to the report.

The Associated Press also had to issue a retraction, noting that it had “erroneously” reported that “Russian missiles” had killed two people in Poland, and that this was based on a claim by one single anonymous senior US intelligence official.

*Thank you AP, for correcting a story that nearly launched WW3. Now maybe you can also name the "senior American intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity" and who may have had ulterior motives in bringing the world to the edge of nuclear war pic.twitter.com/xtruXlv6U3
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) November 16, 2022*

“Subsequent reporting showed that the missiles were Russian-made and most likely fired by Ukraine in defense against a Russian attack,” AP reported.

* If Alex Jones must pay $1.5 billion for being wrong, then how much do the “Russian missile attack of Poland triggered Article 5,” hoaxers owe?
— Cernovich (@Cernovich) November 17, 2022*

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Putin's Black Sea Crisis Deepens as He Only Has Seven Ships Left—Report

By Isabel van Brugen On 11/17/22 at 9:44 AM EST

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This is as far into Kiev's lies as I intend to get.

Kiev lies about things both large and small. I know for a fact that Russia has a robust fleet.

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The path of a missile.

The path of a lie: from Kiev and Poland to "anonymous US officials" to the AP

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Yes, SECOND, Estonia is lying about Russia.

What do you expect? The collective west lies about EVERYTHING: from the nature of its economy to the nature of its politics, that men can indeed get pregnant, that a particular car/ videogame will make you happy, the nature of our wars and the superiority of Europe/Five Eyes...

Lies, large and small, endlessly. Many even believe their own lies.

You should know how that works, SECOND, since you're an inveterate liar yourself.

You're so comfortable with swallowing lies that you'll swallow one lie and immediately swallow a contradictory lie. Apparently without any mental indigestion.

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When it's announced that America is at war with Putin, and it's a legal war that Congress approves, let me know.

Until then, Putin and Russia are the victims here and I fully support Russia against the proxy war that NATO is waging through Ukraine while using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder.

As for you, Second... Get fucked you Neo-Con warmongering piece of shit.

The blood of everyone involved is on YOUR hands.

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Putin’s swan song: ‘Cri-Me-A River’

The Kremlin’s “special military operation” is now all about Putin’s survival and Russia's need to maintain possession of Crimea to remain viable as a conventional superpower.

Putin could be facing his end in Crimea in a dystopian version of Tchaikovsky’s “Swan Lake.” Zelensky, in winning and playing the good sorcerer, has turned Putin into a black swan — increasingly, there is no easy escape in Ukraine for the Russian leader. All that likely remains is Putin’s swan song: “Cri-me-a River.” Cue the stagehands at Perekop. Putin may be nearing his final exit.

Jonathan Sweet, a retired Army colonel, served 30 years as a military intelligence officer. His background includes tours of duty with the 101st Airborne Division and the Intelligence and Security Command. He led the U.S. European Command Intelligence Engagement Division from 2012-14, working with NATO partners in the Black Sea and Baltics. Follow him on Twitter @JESweet2022.  

More at https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3735377-putins-swan-song
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Uh huh.

Wasn't this little NATO/Raytheon/Blackstone operation supposed to go on for 10 years or something. Or end up with nuclear missiles being fired or something.

Putin is fine.

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The path of a missile.

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Yes, SECOND, Estonia is lying about Russia.

What do you expect? The collective west lies about EVERYTHING: from the nature of its economy to the nature of its politics, that men can indeed get pregnant, that a particular car/ videogame will make you happy, the nature of our wars and the superiority of Europe/Five Eyes...

Lies, large and small, endlessly. Many even believe their own lies.

You should know how that works, SECOND, since you're an inveterate liar yourself.

You're so comfortable with swallowing lies that you'll swallow one lie and immediately swallow a contradictory lie. Apparently without any mental indigestion.

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Kharchenko was found to have overseen the safety of the missile system after its delivery and installation, while Pulatov was acquitted.

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Just bullshit and lies from the collective west, SECOND.

That's like convicting the UPS guy of murder because he delivered a mail order gun.

You really don't "get it", do you? When I say the collective west lies about everything, I mean it lies about everything .

They lie about Nancy's drinking and insider trading. They lied about WMD. They lied about Epstein. They lie constantly about Russia. They lie about our economy. The lies they tell are legion.

But then, the lies YOU tell are legion. If Satan is the father of lies, what does that make you?


I would be hard pressed to find truth about anything except the most inconsequential local story.

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Uh huh.

Wasn't this little NATO/Raytheon/Blackstone operation supposed to go on for 10 years or something. Or end up with nuclear missiles being fired or something.

Putin is fine.

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The prediction was "Putin may be nearing his final exit." Who knows how long Russia will fight Ukraine? Nobody. Russia was killing Germans long after WWII was over. According to the Germans, 2 million Germans were killed after the peace treaties were signed. Russian vindictiveness means Ukrainians will be killed long after a peace treaty is signed.
https://theconversation.com/postwar-forced-resettlement-of-germans-ech
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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In December 1938 the GULAG population passed the million mark, and there were nearly as many in the prisons and other labor colonies. In 1938 mortality in the GULAG — overcrowded, chaotic, run by inexperienced and frightened administrators — soared to 90,000 or 10 percent of the inmates. Even so, the camps could not keep up with the mass arrests; those detained in grotesquely overcrowded prisons often died of typhus, dysentery, heat, malnutrition, or torture before they could be executed.

Stalin and Ezhov, therefore, decided that the percentage of “enemies” sentenced to death rather than forced labor must rise from 0.5 to 47 percent. In 1937 and 1938 the NKVD’s own records show that 1,444,923 persons were “convicted” of counterrevolutionary crimes, and of these 681,692 were shot. The flow to the camps was halved, but processing so many prisoners — who had to be beaten into incriminating others and thus provide further fodder for the NKVD — was still unmanageable. The NKVD ran out of paper to record sentences and executions.

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Do you really not understand when Russians talk on TV about "liquidating" Ukrainians? Do you not understand a terror campaign at the level of the Bolshevik Revolution? Rosalia Zemlyachka, aka The Demon, remains the darling of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a superstar at KGB headquarters, and the poster ghoul for what Russia is capable of doing: “We need pitiless, unceasing struggle against the snakes who are hiding in secret,” Rosalia Zemlyachka told the Sebastopol newspaper Vremya. “We must annihilate them, sweep them out with an iron broom, a sea of blood, everywhere.”

Witnessing Zemlyachka’s carnage first-hand, Russian opposition leader Sergei Melgunov said the lampposts of Crimea’s largest city are “richly garnished with wind-swayed corpses” of Ukrainians. In the nearby beach resort of Feodosia, Melgunov and other officials said they observed Zemlyachka commandeer the city’s wells as burial pits. When the shafts were clogged with tortured soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, Melgunov added, she strapped her victims to planks, either roasting them alive in furnaces or drowning them in barges in the Black Sea.

“It’s a pity to waste cartridges on them,” Zemlyachka said. The Kremlin’s chief executioner in Crimea was not modest about having slaughtered some 70,000 of her neighbors in Ukraine.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-battle-over-crimea-could-trigger-put
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Rosalia Zemlyachka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_Zemlyachka

You can download the book by Donald Rayfield, Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him. New York: Random House, 2004 from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=Donald+Rayfield

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In December 1938 the GULAG population passed the million mark, and there were nearly as many in the prisons and other labor colonies. In 1938 mortality in the GULAG — overcrowded, chaotic, run by inexperienced and frightened administrators — soared to 90,000 or 10 percent of the inmates. Even so, the camps could not keep up with the mass arrests; those detained in grotesquely overcrowded prisons often died of typhus, dysentery, heat, malnutrition, or torture before they could be executed.

Stalin and Ezhov, therefore, decided that the percentage of “enemies” sentenced to death rather than forced labor must rise from 0.5 to 47 percent. In 1937 and 1938 the NKVD’s own records show that 1,444,923 persons were “convicted” of counterrevolutionary crimes, and of these 681,692 were shot. The flow to the camps was halved, but processing so many prisoners — who had to be beaten into incriminating others and thus provide further fodder for the NKVD — was still unmanageable. The NKVD ran out of paper to record sentences and executions.

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Do you really not understand when Russians talk on TV about "liquidating" Ukrainians? Do you not understand a terror campaign at the level of the Bolshevik Revolution? Rosalia Zemlyachka, aka The Demon, remains the darling of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a superstar at KGB headquarters, and the poster ghoul for what Russia is capable of doing: “We need pitiless, unceasing struggle against the snakes who are hiding in secret,” Rosalia Zemlyachka told the Sebastopol newspaper Vremya. “We must annihilate them, sweep them out with an iron broom, a sea of blood, everywhere.”

Witnessing Zemlyachka’s carnage first-hand, Russian opposition leader Sergei Melgunov said the lampposts of Crimea’s largest city are “richly garnished with wind-swayed corpses” of Ukrainians. In the nearby beach resort of Feodosia, Melgunov and other officials said they observed Zemlyachka commandeer the city’s wells as burial pits. When the shafts were clogged with tortured soldiers and Ukrainian civilians, Melgunov added, she strapped her victims to planks, either roasting them alive in furnaces or drowning them in barges in the Black Sea.

“It’s a pity to waste cartridges on them,” Zemlyachka said. The Kremlin’s chief executioner in Crimea was not modest about having slaughtered some 70,000 of her neighbors in Ukraine.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-battle-over-crimea-could-trigger-put
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Rosalia Zemlyachka
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosalia_Zemlyachka

You can download the book by Donald Rayfield, Stalin and His Hangmen: The Tyrant and Those Who Killed for Him. New York: Random House, 2004 from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.page/search.php?req=Donald+Rayfield

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In December 1938 the GULAG population passed the million mark, and there were nearly as many in the prisons and other labor colonies. In 1938 mortality in the GULAG — overcrowded, chaotic, run by inexperienced and frightened administrators — soared to 90,000 or 10 percent of the inmates. Even so, the camps could not keep up with the mass arrests; those detained in grotesquely overcrowded prisons often died of typhus, dysentery, heat, malnutrition, or torture before they could be executed.

Stalin and Ezhov, therefore, decided that the percentage of “enemies” sentenced to death rather than forced labor must rise from 0.5 to 47 percent. In 1937 and 1938 the NKVD’s own records show that 1,444,923 persons were “convicted” of counterrevolutionary crimes, and of these 681,692 were shot. The flow to the camps was halved, but processing so many prisoners — who had to be beaten into incriminating others and thus provide further fodder for the NKVD — was still unmanageable. The NKVD ran out of paper to record sentences and executions.

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?

Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?

We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.

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SECOND: Do you really not understand when Russians talk on TV about "liquidating" Ukrainians? Do you not understand a terror campaign at the level of the Bolshevik Revolution? Rosalia Zemlyachka, aka The Demon, remains the darling of Russian President Vladimir Putin, a superstar at KGB headquarters, and the poster ghoul for what Russia is capable of doing: “We need pitiless, unceasing struggle against the snakes who are hiding in secret,” Rosalia Zemlyachka told the Sebastopol newspaper Vremya. “We must annihilate them, sweep them out with an iron broom, a sea of blood, everywhere.”

Witnessing Zemlyachka’s carnage first-hand, Russian opposition leader Sergei Melgunov said the lampposts of Crimea’s largest city are “richly garnished with wind-swayed corpses” of Ukrainians.

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SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.

SECOND: The history scholars who wrote the books would not ruin their own reputations by lying about the Russians,

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SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.

Of course they would! How else would mainstream historians get grants and get popular? They lie about the USA all the time!

Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States?" by Zinn? I guarantee it's not like any history you've read, but it's all true.

More bullshit.
My god, your brain is a mess, isn't it? Fact, fiction, lies, current events, real history,fake history... it's all just a big stew in there, isn't it?

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Pure bullshit

SIGNY: You dont REALLY believe the shit you post, do you?
Are we gonna read next about tiny preemies ripped from their inubators, dying on the cold, hard floor? Babies roasted on a spit? Russians cleaning fish in toilets bc they've never seen one before?
We've heard all the lies already, sweetcheeks.

Of course they would! How else would mainstream historians get grants and get popular? They lie about the USA all the time!

Have you ever read "A People's History of the United States?" by Zinn? I guarantee it's not like any history you've read, but it's all true.

More bullshit.
My god, your brain is a mess, isn't it? Fact, fiction, lies, current events, real history,fake history... it's all just a big stew in there, isn't it?

You're really not worth my time.

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Saturday, Nov 19, 2022 - 02:00 PM

It was revealed Friday by the Ukrainian side that the Kremlin has offered Kiev the possibility of reaching an agreement to implement a "short truce". It comes as there are more and more signals from Washington that it's ready to see both sides come to the table for some kind of ceasefire agreement. 

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that Russian officials had attempted the overture, but he rejected the possibility, at a moment the Ukrainian counteroffensive has made recent gains, especially the retaking of Kherson city and many surrounding villages.

"Russia is now looking for a short truce, a respite to regain strength. Someone may call this the war's end, but such a respite will only worsen the situation," the Ukrainian leader said in a virtual address before the Halifax International Security Forum.

Zelensky then reiterated his hardened resolve to not consider the possibility of talks until Russian forces are defeated. "A truly real, long-lasting and honest peace can only be the result of the complete demolition of Russian aggression," Zelensky said.

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Monday, Nov 21, 2022 - 06:20 PM

The New York Times has in an extremely rare moment (or perhaps more like unprecedented) conducted an in-depth visual investigation of a likely war crime against surrendered Russian troops conducted by Ukrainian forces. Multiple videos from different angles, including drone footage, emerged last week showing the incredibly disturbing scenes as Ukrainian forces were recapturing the village of Makiivka in the Luhansk region. 

The videos show ten apparently unarmed Russian soldiers lying facedown on the ground, who early on are seen moving and in a position of surrender as at least four Ukrainian troops stand nearby outside of a house in a farmyard. 

By the end of the footage, eleven Russians had been shot dead at close range, in what Russia says was a summary execution of people who at that point (based on their surrender) effectively become non-combatants based on accepted international laws of war. 
Via AP: Investigators in Makiivka, where the shooting in the video allegedly took place. 

Surprisingly, the videos were initially made public by Ukrainian news sources and soldiers themselves, and were shared widely on social media, as they purportedly showed the 'heroism' of Ukrainian soldiers as they clawed back territory in eastern Ukraine. 
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*One soldier, with his rifle drawn, tentatively approaches the structure where the Russian soldiers are sheltering. The soldier with the machine gun provides cover. Several gunshots are heard — though it’s not clear from where — and the soldier slowly backs away from an outhouse, drawing out the Russian soldiers at gunpoint.*

The report comments that soon after the Russian soldiers emerge from the building, it is clear that an orderly surrender has taken place, with many of the prone Russian solders moving around on the ground after giving up their arms, clearly alive. 

But soon after the entire scene turns to carnage:

* Two of the Ukrainians standing by appear to be relaxed and are pointing their rifles toward the ground...

As an 11th Russian soldier emerges from the outhouse, he opens fire, aiming at one of the Ukrainian soldiers. The Ukrainians are taken by surprise. The cellphone camera jolts away as the Ukrainian soldier filming the scene flinches. A frame-by-frame analysis of what happens next shows the Ukrainian soldier standing beside him raise his rifle and aim toward the Russian gunman.
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The video ends and it’s unclear what happens next. But a second aerial video of the location shows the bloody aftermath," the NYT writes. "The Russian soldiers are lying motionless, apparently dead, most of them positioned as they were when they surrendered. Blood is pooling around them, and some appear to be bleeding from the upper body or head. The soldiers are dressed in the same uniforms with the distinctive red straps and blue marking."*

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More than a dozen explosions rattled Europe's largest nuclear power plant over the weekend, as renewed shelling around the Ukrainian facility rekindled fears of a possible accident — or even a deliberate strike — that could cause a catastrophic release of radiation.

The angle and direction from which the shells came indicated they were fired from Russian military positions,

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