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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, August 9, 2022 10:48 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.

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Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:00 PM

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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.

Large explosions rock Russian military air base in Crimea

Videos posted on social networks showed sunbathers fleeing a nearby beach as huge flames and pillars of smoke rose over the horizon from multiple points, accompanied by loud booms. Crimea Today News said on Telegram that witnesses reported fire on a runway and damage to nearby homes as a result of what it said were dozens of explosions.

Russia's Defence Ministry denied the Saki base on the Black Sea had been shelled and said instead that munitions had (spontaneously) blown up there. But Ukrainian social networks were abuzz with speculation that it was hit by Ukrainian-fired long-range missiles.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-russia-crimea-explosion-1.654600
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Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:28 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.



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Tuesday, August 9, 2022 11:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.



I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.



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Wednesday, August 10, 2022 2:49 AM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SignyM:

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares. Certainly not after the stunt you pulled last night.



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What stunt was that? I must have missed it.



I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.



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Oh, yes, that. Sorry. I wasn't sure what you were refering to. Thanks.

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Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:58 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.

Democrats would not approve of my attitude toward Russians in Ukraine and Trumptards in America.

A Russian air force Il-76 airlifter was rolling down the runway at Saki air base in Russian-occupied Crimea on Tuesday afternoon when something—or several somethings—exploded hundreds of yards behind it.

As many as a dozen blasts rocked the sprawling base, which houses the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s 43rd Independent Naval Attack Aviation Regiment and other units. Fireballs rolled into the sky, feeding a pall of black smoke and startling tourists sunbathing on nearby beaches.

The Kremlin claimed the explosions were the result of an accident. But the near-simultaneous blasts across the airfield indicated otherwise. It clearly was a Ukrainian attack. But exactly how the Ukrainians hit this major Russian facility 120 miles from the front line remains unclear.

But they had options. In the five months since Russia widened its war in Ukraine, the Ukrainian armed forces have deployed more and better means of conducting deep strikes. Even a hundred miles from the front, the Russians are vulnerable.

The Saki base immediately prior to the attack housed around a dozen each Su-24 bombers and Su-30 fighters plus Mi-8 helicopters and the Il-76, according to commercial satellite imagery. At least one of the Su-24s was destroyed in the Tuesday attack along with several support vehicles and possibly one of the base’s munitions dumps, if videos and photos of the damaged base are any indications.

It’s possible the damage is much more extensive than the initial evidence implies. The Tuesday raid marks the latest escalation by Ukrainian forces that steadily are growing more adept at pinpointing and hitting Russian bases, supply lines and command posts—sometimes inside Russia itself.

The roster of systems the Ukrainians could have used to strike Saki is testimony to their growing deep-strike capabilities. Options include fighter-bombers, Tochka ballistic missiles, drones and Harpoon and Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles with their secondary land-attack modes. It’s even possible the Ukrainian army managed to complete the new HRIM-2 or Sapsan ballistic missiles it was developing before the war.

Fighter-bombers and cruise missiles aren’t hard to miss as they roar overhead—and there’s no evidence of them over Crimea on Tuesday. That could leave ballistic missiles and drones as the likeliest offenders. Ukrainian officials were coy, simply stating that the weapons that struck the Russian base were “exclusively of Ukrainian manufacture.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/08/09/the-ukrainians-blew-u
p-a-russian-air-base-120-miles-from-the-front
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Wednesday, August 10, 2022 11:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I wasn't referring to Second as an individual. Second is not an individual and has no agency. He's proven he's just a Borg for Democrats at this point, so he can and will be blamed for everything HIS party does going forward.

Surely you've heard about the FBI raid via FISA warrant on Mar-a-Lago last night by now.

Democrats would not approve of my attitude toward Russians in Ukraine and Trumptards in America.



Not all of them would, Reaverfan. But a large cancerous part of the Democrat base would.

Why don't you lay them out in detail for us so I can archive them.



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Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:12 AM

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At least seven Russian warplanes were destroyed after explosions rocked annexed Crimea on Tuesday, new satellite images show, in what CNN research found could be Moscow's biggest loss of military aircraft in a single day since World War II.

The destroyed warplanes appear to be Su-24 bombers and Su-30 multirole fighter jets, said Peter Layton, a fellow at the Griffith Asia Institute and a former Australian Air Force pilot, who examined Planet Lab satellite photos showing the Saki Air Base before and after the explosions.

Two more warplanes appear to have been damaged, Layton said.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/europe/crimea-saki-air-base-explosions-
russian-warplanes-intl-hnk-ml/index.html


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Thursday, August 11, 2022 10:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's what I thought.

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Friday, August 12, 2022 2:51 PM

SIGNYM

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Was looking at before and after pictures of the airbase wondering what happened. Since it's too far for an artillery shell and none of the residents or vacationers saw or heard a rocket or drone, I thimk I can safely rule out an air attack.

So there are extensive "parking" areas for planes off the runway, it looks kind of like a "zipper" with "parking spots" inside bermed areas on either side of a taxiway. (I don't know the terminology) My guess is the berms are to contain jet exhaust so it doesn't hit any nearby planes.
Anyway, at each end of the longest section of this taxiway are ... or, were ... large orange buildings/structures. My guess is for fuel or munitions, given the color and location. At another angle of this taxiway is ...or was... another structure that might have been a large storage cylinder of some kind. And somewhere inside that rectangle formed by taxiways ther was another ... something ... the evidence of its existance were berms, but I don't see anything above-ground so maybe it was underground.

One orange building looks thoroughly burned. The other orange building has only a small crater left. The "large storage cylinder" is now just a small crater. And the area of the most intense fire seems to be that area defined by berms but not much visible above-ground. Four sources of detonation or fire as fa as I can tell. I counted maybe ten planes destroyed on the ground, but all of this is far from the main runway which appears to be intact.

It looks to me as if something went off and caused other sources to detonate or burn. Whether that was sabotage or accident I suppose we'll never know. If it was an accident it was a really stupid one.

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Friday, August 12, 2022 8:19 PM

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Russian units linked to the killing of civilians in the Ukrainian town of Bucha in the Kyiv region have likely been "destroyed in combat," a U.S.–based think tank said in an assessment on Friday.

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW), citing a report by Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty (RFE/FL), assessed that Russia's 64th Separate Guards Motor Rifle Brigade (64th SGMRB) of the 35th Combined Arms Army has likely been destroyed, possibly as "part of an intentional Kremlin effort to conceal the war crimes it committed in Kyiv Oblast."

The Kremlin has denied any accusations connected to the killing of civilians in Bucha.

Russia's president had awarded the brigade the honorary "guards" designation on April 18, following the emergence of evidence that it had committed war crimes in Bucha, ISW said. It noted that the brigade was rushed back into combat in eastern Ukraine after it had completed its withdrawal from around Kyiv without much time to rest, refit, receive replacements, or recover.

"Speculation at the time ran that the Kremlin was eager to have the brigade destroyed in combat to avoid revelation of its war crimes," ISW said.

https://www.newsweek.com/bucha-massacre-killings-russian-units-war-cri
mes-ukraine-1733168


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Saturday, August 13, 2022 12:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody cares.

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Saturday, August 13, 2022 11:27 AM

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A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot.”

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says “You don’t understand. I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelenskyy. He is the one I was insulting.”

The police captain says “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”

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Saturday, August 13, 2022 7:02 PM

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A man is on a street corner in Moscow yelling “The president is an idiot.”

Police surround him and handcuff him. They say “It is illegal to insult President Putin.”

He says “You don’t understand. I mean the Ukrainian president, Zelenskyy. He is the one I was insulting.”

The police captain says “You can’t fool us, everyone knows who the idiot is.”




Holy shit, that's just way to funny...

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Saturday, August 13, 2022 9:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Good.

We're making jokes now.

This whole thing is a joke.

And they're both a couple of idiots.



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Sunday, August 14, 2022 8:36 PM

SIGNYM

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Well, it's all a joke except for the roughly 100,000+ dead/disabled Kiev soldiers, the continuing shots that the EU is taking at its own economy and the billions of dollars that we hemorrhaged into Ukraine.

Anyway, it looks like Russia is grinding its way into Bakhmut, which is a key city for Kiev's defense plans bc it sits on the crossroads of a east-west and north-south major highways that connect strategic areas. Altho Russia doesn't seem to be in much of a hurry to advance bc if their goal is to demilitarize, why pursue Kiev's soldiers if Kiev keeps conveniently sending them into range?

Also, that offensive that was supposed to have happened around Kherson hasn't happened, yet. Maybe later.

BTW the reason why I refer to the official Ukrainian Army as Kiev's soldiers is bc the LPR and DPR soldiers on the other side are ALSO Ukrainian.... at least for now ... so I'm just trying to distinguish between sides. Not a slam on Kiev.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 12:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Roger Waters was, and to the best of my knowledge is an Anti-Trumper.

Even he gets it.

And it was hilarious watching him put a douchebag State Moutpiece in his place on CNN too.






I love how he tells that bald jagoff to read a book.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 3:29 AM

SIGNYM

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Yep.

Two points: Ukraine isn't in NATO. NATO is in Ukraine.

AND....


Since Taiwan IS part of China (which the USA presumably recognizes) then Beijing should have the last word on who can cross THEIR borders and visit China.

I'll try to put it in a way that even THUGR can understand:

Let's say that there is an independence movement in Alaska, and Putin wants to visit the leader of this independence movement. The WH says "no". Altho Putin SAYS that Alaska is part of the USA, he visits anyway, demonstrating that the USA is not in control of it's own borders and can't keep out unwanted foreign politicians.

To beat the point to death, if Taiwan is truly part of China, then Beijing has the last word on who gets a visa to visit, and who doesn't.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 4:54 AM

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Well, it's all a joke except for the roughly 100,000+ dead/disabled Kiev soldiers, the continuing shots that the EU is taking at its own economy and the billions of dollars that we hemorrhaged into Ukraine.

If only Finland had not fought two wars against the Soviet Union, there would not be 100,000+ dead/disabled Finnish soldiers. That is one side of the equation. On the other side is that without those two wars Finland would have an economy only 25% the size that it has today. And Finland won the Happiest Country in the World contest only because it fought two wars and watched in awe as Russki cannibals ate Leningrad's dead. Funny how Putin's family was in Leningrad during the Siege. I wonder what they ate during those years of famine?

Finland named world's happiest country for fifth straight year.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/finland-worlds-happiest-country-fifth-str
aight-year-afghanistan-last
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GDP per capita 2021 $54,060 Finland
GDP per capita 2021 $12,198 Russia
https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/finland/russia

The Winter War began with a Soviet invasion of Finland on 30 November 1939 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War

The Continuation War began 15 months after the end of the Winter War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Siege of Leningrad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Finnish_participation

Putin's parents survived the siege of Leningrad. Why does he presume an independent Ukraine won't?
https://timothynoah.substack.com/p/putins-parents-survived-the-siege

During the first winter when the outside temperature fell to 40 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, 100,000 people a month died of hunger and cold. Daily rations were three thin slices of bread adulterated with sawdust. When the siege was lifted, only 700,000 Leningraders of the city’s prewar population of 3.5 million remained alive.

One of these survivors was the woman who would become Vladimir Putin’s mother.

Russia still denies the Holodomor was ‘genocide’
https://www.acton.org/publications/transatlantic/2017/11/27/russia-sti
ll-denies-holodomor-was-genocide

Saturday marked “Holodomor Remembrance Day,” honoring the millions of Ukrainians who died of forced starvation at the hands of the Soviets in the 1930s. Some 80 years later, and a quarter-century after the Soviet Union’s dissolution, the Russian government still denies that this atrocity constitutes a “genocide.”

Signym, just because you don't remember doesn't mean the Russians didn't do it.
Then forgot it.


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Monday, August 15, 2022 9:39 AM

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So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 10:02 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.

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The latest story is "Republicans push to see affidavit that justified FBI search of Trump's home". It is not enough that the FBI found top secret documents in Trump's closet that should have been in a Pentagon vault. Now the Trumptards want to know how the FBI knew there would be top secret documents in Trump's closet. Next, the Trumptards will want to read the top secret documents. If the FBI won't allow it, then the Trumptards will claim the documents are NOT top secret.

What is the connection to Ukraine? Strange and illogical ideas in the heads of Trumptards and Russians. Russia said it was liberating the people of Ukraine from Nazis, but Russia did something very different: Russia tortured Ukrainians. Russia executed Ukrainian prisoners with a bullet in the back of the head. Russia destroyed $750 billion in Ukrainian homes. All very different than "liberating" the people of Ukraine. And the head "Nazi" of Ukraine? He told Putin: "Are you out of your mind, Mister Putin? Or are you just lying, you big murderer?"

Also Putin said Russia was NOT invading Ukraine because Ukraine is Russia. How can Russia invade Russia? More illogical nonsense from Putin. Kind of like Trump's nonsensical declaration that the top secret documents are now declassified because Trump, who is not President, declassified the classified documents while NOT being President, but forgot to inform Biden that the documents had been declassified.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 10:04 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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Monday, August 15, 2022 10:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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So, Trumptards want to close the FBI is a disaster for Democrats? If you are stupid, you would think so, but if you are smart you would see that the Trumptards cut their own throats in the next election, just as they did when they support the end of Roe v Wade.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 12:07 PM

SIGNYM

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SECOND, get help.

In praise of Russia's tactics and strategies in Ukraine, by a Marine, as published in the Marine Corps Gazette
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/a-marines-assessment-of-russia
s-military-operation-in-ukraine-a-profound-appreciation-of-all-three-realms-in-which-wars-are-waged.html



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Monday, August 15, 2022 5:20 PM

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SECOND, get help.

I'm pretty sure it is Russia that needs help: Ukraine hits Russian Wagner mercenary HQ in east

Last week, pro-Kremlin correspondent Sergei Sreda posted a photo on Telegram of the base with its apparent address.

This week, Ukraine blew up the HQ.

On Telegram, Governor Hayday wrote that Ukrainian forces "hit an enemy HQ whose whereabouts were established thanks to a Russian journalist".

"This time, the successful strike destroyed the Wagner PMC HQ in Popasna yesterday," he said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62547403

P.S. Signym, the Winter War with Finland convinced Hitler to invade Russia. If Stalin had not invaded Finland and lost his army to a much smaller force, Hitler would not have invaded Russia. As Stalin did, so did Putin when he invaded Ukraine. The only thing stopping NATO from crushing a weak Russian Army is Russia's nukes. Too bad Stalin didn't get nukes until Aug. 29, 1949, long after Germany invaded a weak country run by a very unwise leader. Meanwhile, Finns have prospered mightily. Russians? Not so much. The GNP numbers per capita show that Russians are nincompoops compared to Finns.

First Soviet Test
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/bomb-soviet-tests/
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All of the scientists knew that their own personal fates depended on the success of the bomb. One of them later said that if it had failed they would have all been shot. As the story goes, Beria adopted a simple rule in deciding who should get what prize. Those who would have been shot if the bomb had failed, became Heroes of Socialist Labor; those who would have been imprisoned were awarded the less prestigious honor, the Order of Lenin.

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Monday, August 15, 2022 6:26 PM

SIGNYM

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Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland and then lost-lost-lost. That convinced Hitler Russia could be beaten. Hitler's Generals weren't as sure because German troops would be mostly walking into Russia, not riding in trucks, because there was a shortage of vehicles. The German Army was dependent on horses!
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Hitler planned to defeat the Soviet Union in the winter of 1941, but he mismanaged and mistimed the offensive, opposed by most generals who feared a war on two fronts. Hitler ignored terrain and weather, meddling in the military, arguing, and losing precious time. Seventy percent of German forces moved on foot. Colonel General Franz Halder predicted that each infantry division needed 4,500 horses and 2,000 horse-drawn wheeled vehicles. But the obstinate Hitler ignored advice.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/horses-the-mechanized-myth-o
f-the-eastern-front
/

If Zelenskyy makes military decisions as badly as Hitler made, against all the advice of his best generals, Ukraine will lose as decisively to Russia as Germany lost to Russia. Finland beat Russia because Finland's Field Marshal Mannerheim refused to entertain stupid ideas from Finnish politicians or even from Hitler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_Emil_Mannerheim#Visit_by_Ado
lf_Hitler


World War II casualties
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_
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So we're back to Russia now since the FBI raid was a disaster for Democrats.

Who could have saw that coming?

Right. I did. I saw that coming.


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So, Trumptards want to close the FBI is a disaster for Democrats? If you are stupid, you would think so, but if you are smart you would see that the Trumptards cut their own throats in the next election, just as they did when they support the end of Roe v Wade.



The error in your logic is that most Democrats agree.

Not the loud and stupid ones like you, but most of the rest of them do.

And they're not buying any of your bullshit right now because of inflation.



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Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland

Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.


I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.

Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.

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Assuming for the sake of argument that Russia wins convincingly in Ukraine, what comes next? All of the agitation in the Baltics, Serbia, Finland and even further (Taiwan, Africa etc) is all ostensibly about "Save Ukraine!!" what does the EU do if the balloon deflates? The USA, being geographically distant, can just cut ties and support to Ukraine and pretend it never happened, like Afghanistan, but the EU is left with the economic, political, and migrant fallout.

Current governments will never be able to back down or reverse gear. I think they'll carry on in their snit with Russia. But since that will lead to such dire economic and social consequences for some nations - Germany, UK, and the Baltics- that will probably lead to changes in government. Some EU nations might rethink their unwavering support of NATO, seeing NATO as toothless. That might lead to different EU nations with different foreign policies re: Russia, which certainly wouldn't help EU or NATO unity.

Anyway, just spitballing and trying to predict the future.

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Originally posted by second:
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Will a Russian win in Ukraine clarify reality for you?

I doubt it.

Since you can't accept that Russia won WWII, current events will also bounce off your head.

Since "winning" WWII meant 27 million dead Russians, I would hate to see what a loss would have looked like. I can see you didn't absorb the idea that Hitler would not have invaded Russia if Russia hadn't invaded Finland

Germany needed Russian oil for its war machine. Germany STILL needs foreign oil. And foreign gas, too, and Russia is the most geographically convenient source. Just watch its economy implode this winter. Along with its government.


I don't know what kind of version of history you've convinced yourself of, but it sure is fucked up.

Oh, BTW, for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers. Not only is Kiev going to lose in the geographic sense, it's going to lose the war of attrition. Yanno, kind of like the Confederate south. If Russia leaves a rump Ukraine that will be by far the poorest country in Europe. It will take at least 30 years to recover, unless the west hemorrhages more $$$ into that corrupt cluster-fuck.

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Signym, wouldn't it have been nicer for Putin if Ukraine had surrendered to Russia immediately? Then Putin would not have cut off gas to the EU because Putin had a tantrum about the EU giving free ammo to Ukraine. Putin's tantrum didn't stop the free ammo, did it?

According to the Russophiles in America, the war is vastly more destructive against Russophobes than against Russians: "for every dead Russian soldier there are probably ten dead Kiev soldiers" and "Just watch [Germany's] economy implode this winter. Along with its government." If Putin has convinced himself that is true, then with patience Ukraine will naturally become his property, given enough time.

But the war between Ukraine and Russia has not even properly started because Russia hasn't been invaded. It is Russia destroying Ukrainian housing ($750 billion) and Russia forcing Ukrainians (12 million) to flee, and Russia executing prisoners (22,504), not the other way around. And it is also Russia that declared Ukraine has always been a part of Russia. Until Putin drops that delusion, he won't end his war on Ukraine.

My solution to Putin's delusion? Give Russia a real war of attrition. Destroy Russian property ($750 billion). Force Russians to flee (12 million). I would advise against executing prisoners (0 executed). Let Russians be the only war criminals.

If Putin wants to nuke the world in retaliation for a more symmetrical war fought on both Russian and Ukrainian land, that's his decision. Nobody can make Putin nuke the world against his calm and rational judgement about what is best for Russia, which is, in my opinion, Putin drops his delusions about owning Ukraine and withdraws from Ukraine, including Crimea. The historic example is Stalin withdrawing from Finland after only 3 months, 1 week and 6 days. Putin could do the same, or not. It is Putin's decision.

Katherine Arnold, July 1st, 2020
“There is no Ukraine”: Fact-Checking the Kremlin’s Version of Ukrainian History
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lseih/2020/07/01/there-is-no-ukraine-fact-chec
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Already long before the Ukraine crisis, at an April 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest, Vladimir Putin reportedly claimed that “Ukraine is not even a state! What is Ukraine? A part of its territory is [in] Eastern Europe, but a[nother] part, a considerable one, was a gift from us!” In his March 18, 2014 speech marking the annexation of Crimea, Putin declared that Russians and Ukrainians “are one people. Kiev is the mother of Russian cities. Ancient Rus’ is our common source and we cannot live without each other.” Since then, Putin has repeated similar claims on many occasions. As recently as February 2020, he once again stated in an interview that Ukrainians and Russians “are one and the same people”, and he insinuated that Ukrainian national identity had emerged as a product of foreign interference. Similarly, Russia’s then-Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev told a perplexed apparatchik in April 2016 that there has been “no state” in Ukraine, neither before nor after the 2014 crisis.

Such slogans and insinuations might be little more than a rhetorical smokescreen concealing a pursuit of sober, hard-nosed realpolitik. But there is much to suggest that these beliefs are in fact informing policymaking at the highest levels of power.


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Russians were wrong and are dismayed to discover that Ukrainians do care and do kill Russians.

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Russians were wrong and are dismayed to discover that Ukrainians do care and do kill Russians.



Nobody cares about either of them or how many of each other they kill.



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Anyway, just spitballing and trying to predict the future.

The present is more accurately known than the future but at some point the present becomes "Fake News". Declaring the News to be "Fake News" means your predictions of the future are never wrong, Signym.

The Ukrainian military’s Southern Command said Thursday that it had struck an ammunition depot in the village of Bilohirka, near the front line of fighting in the Kherson region. The rocket strike is the latest in a series of attacks that have targeted logistics in the Russian-occupied south—part of a strategy to starve Russian troops in the region of supplies and force them to withdraw from the territory they are holding west of the Dnipro River.

A day earlier, the Ukrainian military posted video to social media that appeared to show the aftermath of a long-range rocket strike on Nova Kakhovka, also in the Kherson region.

And on Tuesday, pro-Ukrainian saboteurs destroyed an ammunition depot in Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014.

Video on social media Thursday also showed large explosions overnight in Russian-occupied Amvrosiivka, in the eastern Donetsk region; Ukrainian officials didn’t immediately comment on the cause.

As Ukrainian strikes inside Russian-held territory increase, Russian forces are attempting to crack down on pro-Ukrainian insurgents.

More at https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-strikes-russian-base-ahea
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In Ukraine, the notorious Russian Wagner group is recruiting. Murderers are welcome.

For years, the Wagner private military company has done Moscow’s dirty work in eastern Ukraine, Libya, Syria and parts of Africa. The Kremlin always officially denied any relationship with Wagner, whose soldiers for hire have been accused of massacres and other human rights violations.

But now, Wagner and its mercenaries have suddenly emerged from the shadows in the Ukraine war, openly celebrated on Russian state media and lauded as heroes of President Vladimir Putin’s bloody invasion. A recent special report on the most-watched state TV channel trumpeted the group’s gains on the Ukrainian front lines — an unthinkable acknowledgment of Wagner even just a few months ago.

Pro-Kremlin reporters lionize the members of the group, named for the right-wing German classical composer Richard Wagner, as “musicians” in an “orchestra.” And Wagner is using glitzy advertising across Russia to sign up new members. Its efforts include recruitment campaigns in prisons.

“This site was liberated by the specialists from Wagner PMC, the famed ‘musicians’ of the famed ‘orchestra,’ ” war correspondent Evgeny Poddubny said as he toured the Vuhlehirska power station in the Donetsk region, for the Rossiya 1 channel. Poddubny was accompanied by a masked mercenary wearing a helmet emblazoned with a skull and two crossed swords.

“If before everyone pretended such people don’t exist in general … now everything is different,” wrote the administrator of Special Task Channel, a popular pro-Kremlin Telegram blog. “It is not some vague volunteers or the general armed forces that are pushing ahead against the Ukrainian military. It’s Wagner doing it.”

The new public embrace of Wagner in many ways is the result of missteps and miscalculations by Russia’s senior political and military leaders, who wrongly expected that the country’s traditional armed forces would quickly conquer Ukraine. Those leaders also became wedded to the false narrative of a “special military operation” rather than acknowledging that Russia was at war.

The paramilitary group was not seen fighting in Ukraine in the early days of the campaign. But Russia’s invading forces were quickly stymied in their initial attempt to seize Kyiv and topple the Ukrainian government. The far heavier-than-expected losses of personnel and equipment quickly prompted the military leadership to seek the help of Wagner mercenaries hardened by years of surreptitious fighting in Donbas and Syria and in other far-flung locations.

Russian military leaders apparently believed they could win in Ukraine without Wagner’s help, an anonymous author of the Telegram channel Reverse Side of the Medal, which is popular with mercenaries, said in a YouTube interview. “But when serious trench wars began, they appealed to the one who shall not be named,” said the author, who claims to be a Wagner member.

A recent investigation by the Russian-language media outlet Meduza concluded that Wagner’s entry into the war was delayed by a falling-out between the group’s reputed financial backer, Yevgeniy Prigozhin, and Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, as well as other members of the Kremlin elite. Prigozhin, who is known as “Putin’s chef” because he made a fortune from government catering contracts, and is under U.S. and E.U. sanctions, has long denied any connection to Wagner.

Officially, the Kremlin also still denies any links between Wagner and the government. But Wagner’s operations in Ukraine are widely believed to be tightly coordinated with the Russian Defense Ministry.

Thousands of more words at https://web.archive.org/web/20220818110544/https://www.washingtonpost.
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A Russian paratrooper who fought in Ukraine says troops are deliberately shooting themselves in the leg to escape the war and get a $50,000 payout.

Pavel Filatyev, 33, published a 141-page memoir outlining his experience on the front lines of the Ukraine war on the Russian social-media platform VKontakte two weeks ago, The Guardian reported. Insider has seen the memoir.

The memoir — titled "ZOV" after the Russian pro-war symbol — is the most detailed account of a Russian soldier fighting in Ukraine so far.

It describes how some Russian soldiers are facing so much chaos, hunger, and destruction that they are looking for any way out.

"Someone began to shoot himself in the limbs ... to get 3 million rubles and get out of this hell," Filatyev wrote in his memoir.

His account mirrored similar reports from the New York Post and MailOnline earlier this year, which said Russian soldiers were telling family members that their comrades were shooting themselves in the leg in order to go home.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-paratrooper-who-fought-in
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‘I don’t see justice in this war’: Russian soldier exposes rot at core of Ukraine invasion

https://web.archive.org/web/20220818151434/https://www.theguardian.com
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“I am not afraid to fight in war. But I need to feel justice, to understand that what I’m doing is right. And I believe that this is all failing not only because the government has stolen everything, but because we, Russians, don’t feel that what we are doing is right.”

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2 Russian villages evacuated after fire at munitions depot

The residents of two villages in Russia’s Belgorod region on Ukraine’s northeastern border were evacuated after a fire at a munitions depot near the village of Timonovo, the region's governor said Friday.

There were no casualties in the late Thursday blaze, Gov. Vyacheslav Gladkov said.

The fire came days after another ammunition depot exploded on Ukraine's Black Sea peninsula of Crimea, a Russian-occupied territory seized by Moscow in 2014.

Last week, nine Russian warplanes were reported destroyed at an airbase on Crimea, demonstrating both the Russians’ vulnerability and the Ukrainians’ capacity to strike deep behind enemy lines. Ukrainian authorities have stopped short of publicly claiming responsibility.

But President Volodymyr Zelenskyy alluded to Ukrainian attacks behind enemy lines after the blasts in Crimea, which Russia has blamed on “sabotage.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2022-08-19/2-russian-vil
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Why Russian mothers with 10 children are being awarded as ‘heroines’

Russia President Vladimir Putin revived the old award to bolster patriotism, encourage larger families

The Moscow Times reported in late July that “Russia’s population shrank by a record average of 86,000 people a month between January and May,” citing statistics from the agency Rosstat.

The decree sets out some rules: All 10 children must still be alive, although there are exceptions for children killed in “military, official or civic service, or in a terrorist attack.”

https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/18/23311522/why-russian-mothers-10-chil
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Nobody cares.

The War in Ukraine is not going well for Putin. Deaths are high. What to do? Putin has a plan:

Why Russian mothers with 10 children are being awarded as ‘heroines’

Russia President Vladimir Putin revived the old award to bolster patriotism, encourage larger families

The Moscow Times reported in late July that “Russia’s population shrank by a record average of 86,000 people a month between January and May,” citing statistics from the agency Rosstat.

The decree sets out some rules: All 10 children must still be alive, although there are exceptions for children killed in “military, official or civic service, or in a terrorist attack.”

https://www.deseret.com/2022/8/18/23311522/why-russian-mothers-10-chil
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New satellite images debunk Putin's claim about nuclear plant

New satellite images from Maxar Technologies of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant show no signs of "systemic shelling," despite claims by Russian president Vladimir Putin that the Ukrainian military was conducting repeated military strikes at the plant.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/08/20/putin-russia-ukraine-zapor
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Car bomb kills daughter of 'spiritual guide' to Putin's Ukraine invasion

Russian authorities said Sunday they had opened a murder investigation after the daughter of influential, ultra-nationalist philosopher Alexander Dugin was killed by a car bomb on the outskirts of Moscow.

A friend of Dugina told TASS that he believed Dugina's father was the true target of the blast -- or possibly both of them -- as the car belonged to Alexander.

"It's her father's car," Krasnov told TASS. "Dasha (Darya) drives another car, but she drove his car today, and Alexander went separately," Andrei Krasnov, head of the Russky Gorizont (Russian Horizon) social movement and a personal acquaintance of Dugina's family, told TASS.

A Russian foreign ministry official implied that Ukrainian state structures were responsible for the explosion, a claim that Ukrainian authorities have denied.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/20/europe/darya-dugina-killed-car-explosio
n-alexander-dugin-russia-intl-hnk/index.html


In an interview with CNN in 2017, Dugin remarked on many similarities between his ideas and those of former US president Donald Trump. He called Trump's inauguration speech discourse "as if I would write it myself." He also said that Putin provided inspiration for Trump, "a kind of... example to challenge the status quo, to challenge the conventional wisdom, challenge all this totalitarian principles of globalists and ultra-liberals."

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Zelensky Warns Of 'Nastier' Phase Of War As Russia Says Dugin Car Bombing Was A 'Contract Killing'
by Tyler Durden
Sunday, Aug 21, 2022 - 07:50 AM

Update1050ET: Ukraine is bracing for a likely escalation in Russian attacks following last night's killing of the daughter of Alexander Dugin - Darya Dugina - by what looked to be a car bomb as she as driving his car home from an event. Based on the details that emerged, many believe it was an assassination attempt on the prominent but deeply controversial Russian political commentator and philosopher himself.

Contrary to current exaggerated Western mainstream headlines referring to him as "Putin's brain" - there's no clear evidence that Dugin and Putin have ever even met (much less a photograph of the two together or in the same room, which we've yet to find), though the influence of Dugin's thought on certain Russian political circles is clear. He's long been central to developing the so-called 'Russian world' ideology, but his influence on actual Kremlin policy circles has been marginal at best especially since 2014, given he's been much more hawkish and maximalist when it comes to the Ukraine crisis, at times uncomfortably so for Russia's political leadership.

On Sunday, Russia's Investigative Committee said in an official statement that it has opened a murder investigation following a car bomb being detonated under Alexander Dugin's vehicle, which only his daughter Darya was driving at the time (eyewitnesses say he switched cars at the last minute when returning from an event).
Via Sky News

According to Russia’s Investigative Committee, the Toyota Land Cruiser she was driving was ripped apart by a car bomb in the Moscow region, near the village of Bolshie Vyazemy, in a targeted killing by unknown entities:

"The investigation believes that the crime was planned in advance and is of a contract nature," the statement said, adding that investigators had "established that the explosive device was placed under the bottom of the car on the driver’s side."

Pro-Russian Donbass militia leaders, Denis Pushilin foremost among them, have called on fighters to quickly “avenge” Dugina’s death. At the same time, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is now warning his citizens that severe escalation looms.

Warning of potential stepped-upf Russian attacks and the need for vigilance, Zelensky said in the hours following reports of the targeted hit:

"We should be conscious of the fact that this week Russia may try to do something particularly nasty," the Ukrainian leader said in his daily video address late on Saturday. “But Russia has done the same constantly each week throughout the past six months.”

Days ahead of Ukraine's independence day celebrations, some regional governors are also taking extra precautions, according to The Wall Street Journal:

In the northeastern Kharkiv region, part of which remains under Russian occupation, governor Oleh Synehubov announced a series of restrictions on movement this week including a 36-hour curfew beginning on the eve of Independence Day on Tuesday until early morning on Thursday.

"Please treat such steps with understanding and prepare to stay at home or in bomb shelters—this is our security," he wrote on the Telegram social-media platform. "We won’t give the enemy the chance for any provocations. On the day of our independence we will be particularly alert."

So far, President Putin has yet to officially react or weigh in on the car bombing which targeted civilians on Russian soil. While it's clear that Alexander Dugin is a deeply controversial and polarizing figure even within Russia, and much more so abroad, some pundits are pointing out that the hit could have been intended for Darya from the beginning. Little is known at this point regarding precise motives or who exactly was behind it, as the investigation continues.

Even before the Saturday night car bombing, both sides of the Ukraine war appear to be bracing for further escalation given the latest string of Ukrainian attacks deep inside Crimea, including the weekend UAV strike on Russia's Black Sea Fleet headquarters in Sevastopol.

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Update(2310ET): Russia's English language state RT News is confirming the death of Darya Dugina, the daughter of veteran Russian political commentator and Putin ally Alexander Dugin, in what appears to have been a targeted hit - possibly an attempt on her father Alexander's life. RT however is still calling the reports "preliminary" until government authorities confirm the identity of the deceased.

"The incident took place on a highway some 20 kilometers west of Moscow around 21:35 local time, with witnesses saying that the blast rocked the vehicle right in the middle of the road, scattering debris all around," according to new details in RT. "The crippled car, fully engulfed in flames, then crashed into a fence, according to photos and videos from the scene."

"Emergency services said one person was inside the car and was instantly killed by the blast and crash – a female whose body was reportedly recovered burned beyond recognition."

RT writes further: "Authorities have yet to confirm the identity of the victim, but multiple Russian Telegram channels and media sources reported that the victim was 30-year-old Darya Dugina (Platonova). Her father, Alexander Dugin, was spotted at the scene soon after the incident, visibly shocked, according to several videos circulating on social media."

While an official cause of the blast hasn't been identified as yet, there's widespread speculation it was an Improvised Explosive Device (IED).

There's also much speculation centered on the apparent bombing being a likely attempt on Alexander Dugin, with unconfirmed reports saying she had been driving his car and he was in another vehicle.

According to The Daily Beast, citing local reports:

Alexander Dugin was meant to be in the vehicle his daughter was driving but had gotten in a different one at the last second, according to Pyotr Lundstrem, a Russian violinist quoted by the outlet.

Dugin had reportedly been following right behind his daughter and had watched as her car exploded. Photos shared by Baza appeared to show Dugin distraught at the scene, holding his head in both hands as he stood in front of the fiery wreckage.

And more:

Denis Pushilin, the Russian proxy leader of Ukraine's occupied Donetsk, angrily blamed “terrorists of the Ukrainian regime” for the blast, writing on Telegram that they had been “trying to liquidate Alexander Dugin” but “blew up his daughter.”

“In loving memory of Darya, she is a true Russian girl,” Pushilin wrote.

Pro-Kremlin Telegram channels and social media pages similarly blamed Ukraine for the explosion and called on Russians to “avenge” Dugina’s death.

This, along with recent attacks inside Crimea, could indeed mean greater escalation in the Ukraine war.

* * *

The daughter of Alexander Dugin - a close ally and adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin - has reportedly been killed in what many are assuming was an assassination attempt meant for her father.

Darya Dugin was 'blown to pieces' near Moscow suburb of Bolshiye Vyazyomy, according to reports, which say that Alexander had originally planned to travel back with her from a festival before deciding to ride in a separate car, according to the Daily Mail and other outlets.

According to Russian's state-owned TASS, local law enforcement confirmed that a Toyota Land Cruiser Prado had blown up, but did not confirm the victim's identity - only that it was a female. A man identified by TASS as a Dugin associate said it was Darya, but there has been thus far no official confirmation.


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Kiev hasn't claimed responsibility for this killing. But if the FSB finds out that it was a foreign actor.... Kiev, UK's MI6, Albanian terrorists... whatever... expect retribution.

What I find troubling is that this killing was deeply misdirected. Not only was it accidental, but even if Dugin himself had been killed ... well, I've read a little of Dugin, and he's so far off the "Eurasian integration" deep end as to be incomprehensible. To me, anyway. I see no signs of the cultural and political melding that it seems (to me) that he's proposing, and I think the various individual cultures and nations would find his vision distasteful. In other words, he has no influence on Kremlin policy, and if he really was vital to the Kremlin, wouldn't he have better security?


*****

Kiev knows it can't win a conventional war, so it is resorting to nuclear blackmail by shelling the nuclear power plant in Zaparozhye (and claiming the Russians are shelling their own position!). Russia has repeatedly requested an inspection by the IAEA, but Guiterrez refuses to allow inspection until Kiev agrees, and Kiev hasn't agreed bc they know that they would be ID'd as the perpetrator.

Kiev is also resorting to small drone attacks on Crimea. This has been intepreted as Zelensky's attempt to show SOME sort of progress, since that "million man army's Karkhov offensive" has failed to materialize, western political and military opinion seems to be turning against him, and he is desperate to hang on to power (and grift) just a little longer.

So in addition to using human shields (documented by Amnesty International), torturing and killing prisoners, and deliberately shelling civilian populations, Kiev is doing what it can in the way of small drone attacks on Crimea.



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Cyberwar in Ukraine

Russia's invasion of Ukraine and ongoing war in the region was the subject of several Black Hat presentations. Researchers from ESET, a security company based in neighboring Slovakia, walked attendees through a timeline of attacks on Ukraine's power grid. The most recent used the Industroyer2 malware that, if successful, could have knocked out power to 2 million residents.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/scariest-things-we-saw-at-black-hat-2022

Researchers Look Inside Russian Malware Targeting Ukrainian Power Grid
ESET security researchers share findings on the Industroyer2 malware designed to cause a mass blackout in Ukraine. One official calls it 'the biggest challenge for the world since World War II.'
https://www.pcmag.com/news/researchers-look-inside-russian-malware-tar
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How many Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine? What we know, how we know it and what it really means.

The estimates range from 1,351 and 43,000, but this much is clear: Russia has a manpower problem.

As the 19th-century Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz wrote, “Casualty reports on either side are never accurate, seldom truthful, and in most cases deliberately falsified.”

The impact of all these casualties undeniably important, given that troop losses are likely to be a main determinant of the outcome. Over the past several months, the conflict in Ukraine has become a classic “war of attrition,” meaning that rather than dramatic offensives or changes in territorial control, each side is trying to force the other to collapse by inflicting steady losses in personnel and equipment. Trench warfare in World War I was the classic example of this. Ukraine’s best chance of victory may be that Russia will simply run out of the troops it needs to hold onto Ukrainian territory.

Russia’s people problem

If the higher end of the U.S. estimates is accurate, it would mean that the Russian death toll in Ukraine has been greater than the Soviet Union’s during its 10-year war in Afghanistan. It far exceeds the number of U.S. service members, around 7,000, killed in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

Those assessments would also mean that of the estimated 150,000 troops Russia massed at Ukraine’s borders prior to the invasion, more than half have been lost to death or injury. Even if the real numbers are lower, it is clear that Russia is having trouble keeping troops in the field.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has refrained so far from calling the conflict in Ukraine a “war” — for the Kremlin, it’s still a “special military operation.” This may be a politically safer way to describe the invasion, but it also limits the Russian government’s ability to conscript troops. Absent a formal war declaration, Putin cannot order a mass mobilization of forces.

The Russians have also mostly avoided sending draftees into combat. This has led to a struggle to replenish the troops who have either been lost to death or injury, or merely rotated out. Regional governments across Russia have been advertising heavily to attract recruits, offering monthly salaries up to $5,500 — several times the average in many parts of Russia — along with lucrative signing bonuses. Standards have been loosened as well, with “volunteer battalions” seeking men up to age 50 and requiring only a middle school education. These volunteers are reportedly sent to the front with only three to seven days of training, and casualties among them are believed to be high.

Who is dying?

It is increasingly clear that it is not the Russian military itself that is doing much of the fighting and dying in Ukraine. The separatist militias from the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Luhansk did much of the front-line fighting in the recent battles for the eastern cities of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk. These are often ill-trained and ill-equipped conscripts, and casualties among their ranks have been high. British intelligence officials estimated in July that the Donetsk militia had lost 55 percent of its original force. Russia’s reliance on these militias in eastern Ukraine is likely to only increase as Russia shifts troops to the south in preparation for an anticipated Ukrainian offensive.

Russia’s Ukraine offensive has also been relying heavily on the Rosgvardia, a national guard force that is supposed to be used only for internal security in Russia, as well as the Wagner Group, Russia’s secretive state-linked private military contractor.

The most dramatic example of the Kremlin’s desperation for troops is a scheme, under the auspices of the Wagner Group, to recruit in prisons, offering to commute the sentences of men who agree to go to the front lines in Ukraine. “They will accept murderers, but not rapists, pedophiles, extremists, or terrorists,” one prisoner told CNN.

As is often the case in war, not all parts of Russian society are paying an equal price for the invasion. The Mediazona/BBC analysis of publicly confirmable deaths shows that remote regions of Russia and ethnic minority areas account for a disproportionate share of those who have been killed. The disparity is stark: For every serviceman from Moscow — Russia’s most populous region — on the list of fallen soldiers, there have been 87.5 from the Caucasian region of Dagestan, and 350 from Tuva, a Central Asian region on the Mongolian border.

“Both sides are suffering attrition rates that from a U.S. perspective are pretty incalculable since the days of maybe the Korean War,” Chris Dougherty, senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security, told Grid. “I don’t think one side or the other has a significant manpower advantage, but if you were to hold a gun to my head, I would say the Ukrainians have a very slight advantage because I would imagine their individual soldiers and individual personnel are probably more motivated than their Russian counterparts. It’s different when you’re fighting for your house, your wife, your kids. On the other hand, the Russians do have a deeper manpower pool. The question is, how deep?”

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