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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 12:41 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.


I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?




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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 1:21 PM

SIGNYM

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SignyM:
Here we have freedom of speech. Well, technically, anyway, altho don't ask the Jan 6 protesters!

CAPON: The fact that you know so little about the "protest" is telling.

htt p://youtu.be/Iludfj6Pe7w

"peacefully assemble?" No, violence with intent. Do I have to show the violence some of the Jan 6 Trump mob committed inside the capital?



Same answer as to THUGR, in detail:

Number of people attending; estimated at as much as 120,000
Number of people who entered the capitol bldg (including those who walked in) 800-1,200
Number of people ultimately arrested: approximately 900
Number of people charged with "seditious behavior": 10
Number of people charged with bringing a gun to the capitol: THREE (or five, depending on how you want to count it.)
Number of police with serius injuries: about 50
Number of fires started or buildings burned: zero

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The most common charge pleaded guilty to: "illegally parading or demonstrating in the Capitol, a misdemeanor"

... many of those sentenced so far were only convicted of illegally entering the Capitol building, and were not involved in the more violent and destructive aspects related to storming the building.


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/04/jan-6-insurrection-sentencing
-tracker-526091

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-char
ges-names-2021-1


What the numbers show is that the overwhelming majority (99%) were peacefully protesting, and of those who entered a restriced area, most did so without weapons.
A FEW used weapons adventitiously at-hand: planks, flagpoles, etc and a vanishingly small number brought weapons (eg. hockey stick) with them.
If that's an "insurrection", it's a paltry one.
It best fits the description of a "riot".
The OVERHWELMING MAJORITY were engaged in First Amendment speech.
You can show that "weapons" were involved, which makes it "armed", but don't conflate it with an "insurrection"

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Originally posted by SignyM:
OTOH I don't put up with the lies, propaganda, bullying, bullshit, censorship, and rah-rah-ism here either.
Why do you?

CAPON: I can't stop you from typing what you type.

But "social media" and the M$M can, and does.

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CAPON: I can only challenge it, show the inconsistencies, lies, deflections and false claims and hope others recognize it for what it is. defame you, lie about what you've posted, bully you, lie about what happened, and in general behave like an asshole with an agenda.


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A law enforcment view:

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Thousands of cops were injured, over $2 billion in damage during Floyd riots. Where are the “congressional hearings”?

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/thousands-of-cops-were-injured-ove
r-2-billion-in-damage-during-floyd-riots-where-are-the-congressional-hearings
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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 1:40 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.


I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.

But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?

The cops only had to kill Ashli Babbitt and then the other Trumptards ran away. But if the Trumptards hadn't run, the cops had enough bullets to kill them all. One bullet into Putin's chest would be enough to end the Ukrainian War. But if one bullet won't do, the Ukrainians have enough ammo to kill every Russian on the wrong side of the border.

Department of Justice Closes Investigation into the Death of Ashli Babbitt
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investiga
tion-death-ashli-babbitt


What Happened to the Jan. 6 Insurrectionists Arrested Since the Capitol Riot - June 15, 2022
https://time.com/6133336/jan-6-capitol-riot-arrests-sentences/

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 3:31 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by THG: Comrade Signym refuses to acknowledge G, that Jan. 6th is about riots and a coup attempt, not protests. And let's not forget the obvious reasons why she refuses to admit this. She is Russian.

SIGNY: I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.
But a "coup" attempt?
Without widely distributed guns; a plan to secure the capitol, police forces, and media; and an organization ready to take over the government?

You're still abyssmally stupid. When will you start using whatever neurons you have?

SECOND: The cops only had to kill Ashli Babbitt and then the other Trumptards ran away.


So, not an insurrection then!

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SECOND: But if the Trumptards hadn't run, the cops had enough bullets to kill them all.
MORE evidence that it was not an insurrection! Bc clearly, the protesters/ trespassers/ rioters weren't prepared to fight.

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Ones bullet into Putin's chest would be enough to end the Ukrainian War. But if one bullet won't do, the Ukrainians have enough ammo to kill every Russian on the wrong side of the border.
More sick fantasies.


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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 5:04 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.



More like a protest turned into a riot and then turned into a coup, although a coup was always the design from Trump. There were plenty of weapons, bombs even - crude but deadly.

"But a "coup" attempt?" - uh-huh.

"Without widely distributed guns" - they had them stock piled in VA and locally - read something.

"a plan to secure the capitol" - that wouldn't stop a mob, especially with hostages - zip ties? What were they for??

"police forces" - how do you know? Crazy as fck Mike Flynn's brother was the deputy chief of staff of the Army, and the Army is reporting:
"The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol."

"and media" - They had The Internet. Yanno Twitter, Facebook. Bigger and more focused and more immediate that the "media" I think you're talking about.

"and an organization ready to take over the government?" - uh, Trump? The former president? Who knows what he was thinking, but the who knows what Jim Jones was thinking.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 5:18 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Blah. Blah. Blah.

"Special military operation" is okay, but never use the terms “invasion”, “attack” or “war”. This is the same reasoning as declaring never use the term "insurrection" for the January 6th Insurrection.
Do not call Ukraine invasion a ‘war’, Russia tells media, schools
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/2/do-not-call-ukraine-invasion-a
-war-russia-tells-media-schools


And it is fact, not fantasy, that Putin acting alone started the "special military operation". Putin is the engine that makes the war go on and on.
Russian President Putin Statement on Ukraine - February 21, 2022
https://www.c-span.org/video/?518097-2/russian-president-putin-recogni
zes-independence-donetsk-luhansk-ukraines-donbas-region


A successor to a very dead Putin would not continue Putin's fantasies of becoming Peter the Great. What Russian successor to Putin would be so stupid as to continue a war that makes the Russian army look weak to glorify Putin's reputation in the history books?

Looking weak has happened to Russia twice before when a little country murdered Russian soldiers and then Russia gives up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuation_War

Ukraine is making Russia look weak a third time. Russia better declare victory, then withdraw, as it did in two wars with Finland. Funny how Finland laid siege to Leningrad, resulting in the deaths of some one million of the city's civilians and Red Army defenders. After that, Russia was scared of Finland. Still is.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/siege-of-leningrad-begins

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 6:08 PM

SIGNYM

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]Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I've always say it was a protest that SOME people turned into a riot.


CC: More like a protest turned into a riot and then turned into a coup, although a coup was always the design from Trump. There were plenty of weapons, bombs even - crude but deadly.

"But a "coup" attempt?" - uh-huh.


You see "coup attempts" when there aren't any, but can't see them when they exist (Ukraine 2014, Kazakhstan).
As violent as the Antifa riots were.. and there, rioters assembled night after night specifically to attack federal property and federal officers with Molotov cocktails, fireworks etc, even attempting to burn federal officers alive in their bldg... I wouldn't even label THAT a "coup attempt".

There has to be a concerted attempt to topple the government and replace it. I saw no such plan. Maybe it bc if Trump's failure think things thru and plan properly - a personality defect tied to his ADHD - but where was the plan to secure the police, the official media, the mayorship of DC? In Ukraine you heard Nuland deciding who would be mayor of Kiev (Klitschko) and who would head the interim government. In Kazakhstan one of the first things done was to take over the media offices.

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CC: "Without widely distributed guns" - they had them stock piled in VA and locally - read something.
How many? You would need HUNDREDS of readily available firearms to create an effective fighting force capable of immediately neutralizing establishment security forces.

People would need to know where they were and be able to lay their hands on them in minutes, not hours. People would need to have assigned sectors to secure. There would HAVE to be some sort of centralized communication. A LOT of people would have to know about it and be ready to act.

Your lack of reality-planning astonishes me.

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"a plan to secure the capitol" - that wouldn't stop a mob, especially with hostages - zip ties? What were they for??
Again, you would need HUNDREDS of people ready to act in a coordinated manner, not a dozen nutbags rattling around.

You know how I know it wasn't a "coup attempt"? Because there WAS NO PLAN, no collusion, no conspiracy among many significant number of people. Just bc someone show up with zip ties, or a horned helmet, doesn't mean they're ready to take over government. If this was a coup attempt it was less than a half-baked one.

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CC: "police forces" - how do you know? Crazy as fck Mike Flynn's brother was the deputy chief of staff of the Army, and the Army is reporting:
"The Army is now acknowledging that Lt. Gen. Charles Flynn, the brother of President Donald Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn, was in the room for one of the key January 6 phone calls in which DC government and US Capitol Police were asking for National Guard troops to quell the unfolding violence at the US Capitol."

What's your point? A real coup attempt would have been prepared to meet the National Guard. Instead, they weren't prepared for anything, according to SECIND.

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"and media" - They had The Internet.
yes, but THEY COULDN'T TAKE IT OVER. REAL coup plotters take over channels of communication so the general population depends on them for news and instructions. Not only did they not control the lines of communication, they could be shut down in an instant.

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CC: Yanno Twitter, Facebook. Bigger and more focused and more immediate that the "media" I think you're talking about.
Blah blah blah. Think thru what a REAL coup takes. Usually it requires the involvement of a disaffected military, spec ops or mercs.

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"and an organization ready to take over the government?" - uh, Trump? The former president? Who knows what he was thinking, but the who knows what Jim Jones was thinking.

"Trump" is not "the government". Let's say that "they" managed to block vote certification and Trump announced that he won the election and is now President. Then Congress convenes and they impeach Trump. The DC police, with National Guard assistance, fight their way thru whatever ragtag "guard" the uncoordinated masses manage to cobble together and hustles Trump to jail. He is tried and convicted of... sedition? Treason? Trump loses every appeal in front of every judge, including the Supreme Court.

Again, you need to replace a large number of functionaries and, more important, you need the armed force necessary to make it stick.


Reality, dude. Get to know it and embrace it

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 6:56 PM

SIGNYM

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SignyM: Blah. Blah. Blah.

SECOND: Special military operation" is okay, but never use the terms “invasion”, “attack” or “war”.

From a practical standpoint, if Russia calls it a "war" they can mobilize the military and economy. Right now they're operating from a peacetime military.

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SECOND: This is the same reasoning as declaring never use the term "insurrection" for the January 6th Insurrection.
Because it was not an insurrection. Nor was it a 'coup attempt".

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SECOND: And it is fact, not fantasy, that Putin acting alone
It is fantasy that Putin "acts alone". Putin NEVER acts alone. He needed the concurrence of his military, diplomatic, finance, and economic ministers as well as the Duma. Russia has been working on addressing this security problem for YEARS.

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SECOND: A successor to a very dead Putin would not continue Putin's fantasies of becoming Peter the Great.
Putin is seen in Russia as a MODERATING force, not an aggressive one. An assassination would cause the rest of Russia's power structure to be even more hostile than it is now

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SECOND: What Russian successor to Putin would be so stupid as to continue a war that makes the Russian army look weak to glorify Putin's reputation in the history books?
It is another fantasy to imagine that Russia's army looks "weak". They're winning with INFERIOR numbers. I don't know where you get your info from, but it's horseshit

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SECOND: Ukraine is making Russia look weak a third time. Russia better declare victory, then withdraw, as it did in two wars with Finland. Funny how Finland laid siege to Leningrad, resulting in the deaths of some one million of the city's civilians and Red Army defenders. After that, Russia was scared of Finland. Still is.
so, are you admitting that Finland was allied with the Nazis? And that Russia was not only fighting "Finland", it was also fighting Germany?

You must be fantasizing that Russia today is the same as Russia of 1939.

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Insurrection: noun

The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.A rising up; uprising.The act of rising against civil authority or governmental restraint; specifically, the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state; incipient or limited rebellion.



How many people with how many firearms does it take to make an "insurrection"?
One? Can you have an insurrection of one? A dozen? A hundred?

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:12 PM

SIGNYM

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I have to say, for such smart people you don't use your brains for anything useful.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:39 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
so, are you admitting that Finland was allied with the Nazis? And that Russia was not only fighting "Finland", it was also fighting Germany?

You must be fantasizing that Russia today is the same as Russia of 1939.

For one thing, Russia is a smaller country, with a weaker economy, than it was when called the Soviet Union. In the larger scheme of things, South Korea is a bigger economy than Russia and North Korea is a more dangerous nuclear power than Russia.
https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/

And Russia is still frightened of Finland. Russia threatened Finland if it joined NATO. Finland joined NATO. When the Nazi were no longer useful to Finland for killing a million Russians in Stalingrad, Finland went to war with the Nazis. And won. The world and Finland went on just great without a million Russians, but since then Russia has left Finland alone.
Finland named world's happiest country for fifth straight year. Russians are the saddest.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/finland-worlds-happiest-country-fifth-str
aight-year-afghanistan-last
/

Russians recognize how weak their country actually is, even if Putin and his apologists keep bragging like the pipsqueaks they are. If St. Petersburg wants revenge against Helsinki for WWII, it better hurry before it is too late:
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-sweden-sign-protocol-join
-nato-still-need-ratification-2022-07-05
/

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 7:45 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I have to say, for such smart people you don't use your brains for anything useful.



You’re the Steve Bannon of this forum. Never at a loss for words but rarely ever right. You *try* desperately to convince us that every coup has the same punch list like some home remodeling project, when you in fact that’s just you being obtuse or purposely stupid or max OCD. You’re great at saying what would be perfect without acknowledging or understanding that perfect is only on paper. Things in RL rarely go as planned - in RL too many variables. Trump had just lost all hopes of recounts and law suits and false electors (plus other scams) to get re-elected. There was no time to methodically plan D, let alone what to do after. All there was was desperation and enough whack jobs around and a big enough, angry enough and gullible enough mob to give him hope and do his bidding. It almost worked for a time, but I have little doubt that it would have lasted longer than 48-72 hours. I honestly bet none of them thought they would get as far as they did. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

And being such smart people we also see you trying to side track this thread. Almost like you hate threads that expose Russian murdering innocent civilians.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 8:00 PM

SIGNYM

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SignyM:
I have to say, for such smart people you don't use your brains for anything useful.

CAPON: You’re the Steve Bannon of this forum. Never at a loss for words but rarely ever right. You *try* desperately to convince us that every coup has the same punch list like some home remodeling project, blah blah bkah

. The problem is, the "coup", as you imagine it to be, had NONE of the necessary elements. You're going to have to do a lot better than saying Trump was frustrated with the vote count.
Show me, with evidence, that Trump called for a coup and that people responded by planning one.

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CC: And being such smart people we also see you trying to side track this thread. Almost like you hate threads that expose Russian murdering innocent civilians.
well then, concede that you're wrong, and stop arguing.

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 8:13 PM

SIGNYM

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SignyM:
so, are you admitting that Finland was allied with the Nazis? And that Russia was not only fighting "Finland", it was also fighting Germany?

You must be fantasizing that Russia today is the same as Russia of 1939.

SECIND: For one thing, Russia is a smaller country, with a weaker economy, than it was when called the Soviet Union.

Smaller? Yes. Weaker? No.

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SECOND: In the larger scheme of things, South Korea is a bigger economy than Russia
Are you fucking stupid? S Korea doesn't have the resources, it can't field an army, and it's completely dependent on trade for it's survival

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SECOND: blah blah blah...


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SECOND: And Russia is still frightened of Finland. Russia threatened Finland if it joined NATO. Finland joined NATO. When the Nazi were no longer useful to Finland for killing a million Russians in Stalingrad, Finland went to war with the Nazis. And won.
So, Finland turned in it's former ally, Nazi Germany, and fought it, all by it's lonesome. Like the Germans weren't distrtacted by fighting Russia on a 1000 mile front, and the western allies on a 250 mile front?

You don't REALLY expect us to believe your counterfactual history, do you???

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SECOND: More blah blah blah...


Jeezus, stop drowning the board in bullshit, willya?

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Tuesday, July 12, 2022 10:24 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
. . . goddamn nonsense from Signym . . .

Signym, Russia invaded Finland twice to steal their land. Russia lost both wars. Then it was payback time: Finland invades Russia, using the Nazis to murder a million Russians in St. Petersburg. Well, Russians helped by killing and eating each other. Russians certainly have dramatic lives, don't they?

Because of a special police force, the Russians' biggest achievement was stopping being cannibals. Meanwhile, Finland has prospered mightily in the larger, freer world where cannibals aren't allowed. Finland, for five years in a row, has been the happiest country in the world. Russia is not a happy country. Perhaps cannibalism made them bitter and disagreeable?

By the way, South Korea does have an economy bigger than Russia's, probably because Koreans are not lazy and stupid, unlike some countries we know. Korea also didn't prosper by invading and stealing from other countries, unlike some countries we know. Korea didn't rape and pillage its own land, unlike some countries we know.

The HARROWING true story of the USSR’s ‘Cannibal Island’
https://www.rbth.com/history/333994-harrowing-true-story-of-cannibals

There are many stories about Russians eating their dead. What a freaky nationality:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+did+russia+stop+cannibalism

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 12:00 AM

SIGNYM

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So, you're going with the "Rusians are cannibals" trope, not "Germans are genocidal maniacs" trope.

Oh, dear me: I've said more than once that you want to rewrite history, and- you are!

At the time that "Russia invaded Finland' there was no Finland, only Sweden. In fact, Finland achieved its independence from Sweden BECAUSE of Russia. Russia was afraid of SWEDEN, not Finland, and split Finland from Sweden to weaken Sweden. Finland was never an issue, but- BTW, someone from Finland worked for me for a couple of years - they still resent the Swedes to some extent. Swedish is still a minor language in Finland, a leftover from when they were part of the Swedish kingdom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_of_Finland

Finnish is a strange language. They modify words by adding onto them and they can get VERY long. It's nothing like any of the other European languages, bc it doesn't descend from Latin or German roots.

I was introduced to The Moomins by my colleague. https://www.moomin.com/en/explore/ The Finns have a different outlook than we do and it shows in their cartoons and stories.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:55 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, you're going with the "Rusians are cannibals" trope, not "Germans are genocidal maniacs" trope.

Russians aren’t literal cannibals, just yet, but they have turned against each other.

From the Christian Science Monitor: Even loyalists are targets in latest Russian crackdown. Why?

Definitions of “treason” and what brands a citizen as a “foreign agent” have been gradually expanding for several years in Russia. But a recent spate of unusual criminal cases amid the nearly 5-month-old war in Ukraine suggests that the trust that binds the Kremlin with the various elites who actually run the system may be starting to fray.

The cases are all different, and some observers insist that most have nothing to do with the ongoing war. But no one disputes that the number of treason-related prosecutions has jumped fivefold over the past decade as Russia’s geopolitical tensions with the West have exploded, and that some people formerly thought of as “untouchable” have suddenly found themselves behind bars.

While loyalists disagree, government critics speculate that the surge in treason-related cases is a sign that the Kremlin is afraid of losing control, and is looking for enemies to make examples of.

Sergei Markov, a former Putin adviser, argues that the war-related tightening of screws is very real.

“The Kremlin sees the threat from the West as our biggest danger. Even if the situation seems stable now, we have seen that they are out to destroy us. [U.S. President Joe] Biden has said as much,” he says.

“Some unofficial polls show that 70% of state journalists oppose the special operation, even if they seem to be doing their jobs properly right now. The potential for protests is actual; they will happen if the state shows any weakness at all. Putin and his colleagues are former intelligence operatives. They are very suspicious. They see threats emanating from the West and – you know what? – events have often proven them to be right.”

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220713103047/https://www.csmonitor.com/W
orld/Europe/2022/0712/Even-loyalists-are-targets-in-latest-Russian-crackdown.-Why


Signym, you might have noticed a theme here: Russia accused of war crimes denies it committed war crimes, saying the Ukrainians did it, not Russia. Ha! Russia accused of killing a plane full of Dutch passengers and denies it shot them down. Ha! Russia attacks Finland, twice, and is beaten by little Finland. Decades later, Russia threatens to nuke Finland if it joins NATO. Finland joins NATO. Ha! The theme? Russians are mentally unbalanced people. It is unsurprising they are some of the unhappiest people on Earth while Finland wins the title of happiest five years in a row. Not surprising, Russians are still afraid of Germany, but Finland is not in the least afraid. Must be that Russia was permanently traumatized by close contact with the Nazis while Finland sailed proudly through WWII with no regrets. By the way, Finland didn't need the USA and UK to save the small country from the mighty Nazis, but Russia would have been defeated without the USA and UK.

Finland Doesn’t Understand Why It Keeps Winning the “Happiest Country” Title
For the fifth year in a row, the Nordic nation is the most content in the world
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/health-and-fitness/finland-happ
iest-country-title-fifth-year


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 7:54 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


‘We have a new Hitler in Russia’: Pussy Riot’s Maria Alyokhina on Putin’s crimes and her years of resistance

When three of them, including Alyokhina, were arrested for hooliganism in 2012 and sentenced to two years in jail, it didn’t leave much of a mark on Putin’s reputation, even though human rights organisations such as Amnesty International designated them political prisoners. The protest was deadly serious: it was against Orthodox Church leaders’ support for Putin and the blind eye they were turning to his corruption and creeping totalitarianism. Yet the substance of that, and the harsh consequences it had, was ignored in the service of everyone playing nice at international summits.

Alyokhina rolls her eyes, as if to say that is not the half of it: “We were released on 23 December 2013. A month after our release, we made an action [demonstrated]: ‘Putin will teach you how to love the motherland.’ That was at Sochi, the Olympic Games, and that was the first time we were beaten physically. That was the first moment that I understood: Russia was already worse than when we were imprisoned.”

Two weeks later, Putin annexed Crimea – “the first point of no way back”, she says. “Especially shocking was the very weak reaction of the west. There were slight sanctions, but nations continued to deal with Russian businesses. Germany was selling weapons to Putin’s regime, evading the weapon embargo. A lot of capital from oligarchs went to Britain, especially to London. I spoke at the European parliament, in your parliament, in the US Senate. Everyone was ‘deeply concerned’, but nothing happened. In Russian activist circles, there are a lot of jokes about the west being deeply concerned: it means they are not going to do anything.”

If there had been the sanctions there are now after Crimea and the subsequent invasion of the Donbas, Alyokhina is certain that we would not be in this mess today. “We were calling for a full embargo in 2014 and again in 2015. We were doing street actions. I was arrested 100 times. I hear a lot of discussion in the west that it’s very hard and painful to stop buying oil and gas – well, you guys had eight years. In eight years, it would have been possible. In one month, it’s hard. Maybe politicians were afraid of their voters protesting that their houses were cold. Now Ukrainians don’t have houses at all.”

She lays out in brutal terms what this combination of inertia and self-interest has created. “Money from the west is the basis of our imprisonment, of our poisoning, of political murders and, now, of the war in Ukraine. I really want people to understand this and stop it.”

You can trace Putin’s growing sense of impunity through the totalitarian acts he got away with. And it does bear reflection: how did he manage it with so little censure? The marked, even absolute, absence of women in Russian political life has tended to pass without comment, as a historical or cultural quirk. “All this Russian criminal culture, which dates from the Soviet Union, is very misogynistic,” says Alyokhina. “There is no place for women at the decision-making table. No first ladies, no role for women. Even western journalists trying to write about Russian feminism – who do they name? Alexandra Kollontai. She was living in the 1920s.”

More at https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/11/pussy-riot-maria-alyokhi
na-putin-crimes-hitler-years-of-resistance


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 8:50 AM

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Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, a known ally of Russian leader Vladimir Putin, warned on Tuesday that there could be a major global conflict on the horizon.

Lukashenko also echoed Putin's criticisms of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, in particular the Russian leader's view of Sweden and Finland's decision to join the alliance.

"Apparently, the newly-minted 'crusaders' of the North Atlantic Alliance suddenly decided that the time is right for another 'Drang nach Osten', forgetting how similar campaigns ended for their historical predecessors," Lukashenko said, alleging that NATO's defensive military exercises are examples of a growing "strike force."

By "Drang nach Osten" — which means "spread to the east" in German — Lukashenko referenced to a term used by Nazi leader Adolf Hitler as part of his plan to acquire Slavic territory for German "living space" and the impetus for Nazi conflict in eastern Europe.

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-ally-alexander-lukashenko-warns-
big-war-on-the-horizon-2022-7


Lukashenko talked about fighting Nazis in the Second World War and said: "The time has come for the forgetful Europe to give itself a moral cleansing."

"They — all who chose to forget — will have to look again at the grueling evidence of the bloody crimes of their own fathers and grandfathers," he said.

"I must admit that we were delicately silent. In our Slavic way, we believed that children were not responsible for their parents. We still think so."

He did not elaborate on what such a cleansing would entail. (Perhaps the cleansing fire of H-bombs? Putin has outright said he'll nuke the West if NATO troops rescue Ukraine from the Russians. Putin is really mentally stable, isn't he?)

https://www.businessinsider.com/belarus-lukashenko-europe-moral-cleans
ing-putin-ukraine-russia-invasion-2022-7


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 9:14 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, a known ally of Russian leader Vladimir Putin, warned on Tuesday that there could be a major global conflict on the horizon.

Lukashenko also echoed Putin's criticisms of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO, in particular the Russian leader's view of Sweden and Finland's decision to join the alliance.

"Apparently, the newly-minted 'crusaders' of the North Atlantic Alliance suddenly decided that the time is right for another 'Drang nach Osten', forgetting how similar campaigns ended for their historical predecessors," Lukashenko said, alleging that NATO's defensive military exercises are examples of a growing "strike force."

By "Drang nach Osten" — which means "spread to the east" in German — Lukashenko referenced to a term used by Nazi leader Adolf Hitler as part of his plan to acquire Slavic territory for German "living space" and the impetus for Nazi conflict in eastern Europe.

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-ally-alexander-lukashenko-warns-
big-war-on-the-horizon-2022-7


Lukashenko talked about fighting Nazis in the Second World War and said: "The time has come for the forgetful Europe to give itself a moral cleansing."

"They — all who chose to forget — will have to look again at the grueling evidence of the bloody crimes of their own fathers and grandfathers," he said.

"I must admit that we were delicately silent. In our Slavic way, we believed that children were not responsible for their parents. We still think so."

He did not elaborate on what such a cleansing would entail. (Perhaps the cleansing fire of H-bombs? Putin has outright said he'll nuke the West if NATO troops rescue Ukraine from the Russians. Putin is really mentally stable, isn't he?)

https://www.businessinsider.com/belarus-lukashenko-europe-moral-cleans
ing-putin-ukraine-russia-invasion-2022-7




Dinosaurs or B-movie villains or both? Whatever, after the chest thumping all they're doing is telegraphing that NATO freaks them out.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 10:12 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SECOND: Signym, you might have noticed a theme here: Russia accused of war crimes denies it committed war crimes, saying the Ukrainians did it, not Russia. Ha!
Yes, and ....?

Quote:

Russia accused of killing a plane full of Dutch passengers and denies it shot them down. Ha!


I thought we've already established that Russia did NOT shoot down MH17. Even the prosecutors aren't saying that Russians shot down MH17.

You keep forgetting what you previously posted bc you're untethered from reality. It must be scary, living in your free-form world of bullshit and lies, where nothing is what it seems and there is no truth to hang onto. HA!


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 10:16 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

CAPON: Dinosaurs or B-movie villains or both? Whatever, after the chest thumping all they're doing is telegraphing that NATO freaks them out.
And you're doing what, exactly?

Every one of your posts telegraphs that Russia freaks YOU out. Trumps freaks you out, too. I should list all of the bullshit that you and SECOND have insisted is real. Just, yanno, to recap all of your hysterical propaganda.


But at least you've stopped insisting that Jan 6 was an attempted coup.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 10:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I thought we've already established that Russia did NOT shoot down MH17. Even the prosecutors aren't saying that Russians shot down MH17.

You keep forgetting what you previously posted bc you're untethered from reality. It must be scary, living in your free-form world of bullshit and lies, where nothing is what it seems and there is no truth to hang onto. HA!

The suspects in the trial are Russians Oleg Pulatov, Igor Girkin and Sergei Dubinsky, and Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. Signym, you are a nut, aren't you?

The helpful article, which explains how absolutely crazy Signym and Russians are about denying what happened, is "Russia 'lying' over role in flight MH17 being shot down, say families of 298 victims at murder trial"
https://news.sky.com/story/russia-lying-over-role-in-flight-mh17-being
-shot-down-say-families-of-298-victims-at-murder-trial-12400615


Russians and Signym constantly use the Firehose of Falsehoods. Not only do Signym and Russians make up lies with no end, they also say that the truth is a lie. That is an especially hard philosophical knot for the Russians to untie. In stark contrast, the Finnish were not driven to insanity by WWII, completely unlike the Russians, who have acted like crazy people ever since that war ended. When will the emotional trauma be over for the Russians? The whole world wants to know when.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 11:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The suspects in the trial are Russians Oleg Pulatov, Igor Girkin and Sergei Dubinsky, and Ukrainian Leonid Kharchenko. Signym, you are a nut, aren't you?


And what are the charges?

NOT shooting down a plane.
NOT giving the order to shoot down a plane.
NOT even for supplying a missile system
But for "helping" to supply a missile system.

SECOND, I don't know WHAT world you live in, but it's clearly not the real one. Your opinions and feelings are untethered from reality, and you really, really, should get help and meds bc you're nuttier than a fruitcake, and creepier than a snake.

"How many shrinks does it take to change a lightbulb?
Only one, but only if it really wants to change"


You'll have to salvage yourself.
Best of luck.

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 12:07 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Every one of your posts...



Every one? Wow.

And "every one of your posts telegraphs that you want America in decline and Russia in ascension."

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
telegraphs that Russia freaks YOU out. Trumps freaks you out, too.



Yep. Putin is one sick fcker. Trump too, but in a more binge greedy fck way.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I should list all of the bullshit that you and SECOND have insisted is real. Just, yanno, to recap all of your hysterical propaganda.



Please do!

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But at least you've stopped insisting that Jan 6 was an attempted coup.



I did? Where?

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 1:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
And "every one of your posts telegraphs that you're worried that want America [is] in decline and [that] Russia [is] in ascension."

YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTEY RIGHT. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT AMERICA AND OUR FUTURE.
WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND NEED TO URGENTLY FIX OUR PROBLEMS, WHICH - BTW- DON'T INCLUDE UKRAINE.

Quote:

CC:Yep. Putin is one sick fcker.
I think Russia wants to be left alone. But even if Putin is a "sick fucker"... SO WHAT???
Don't we have MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about besides a nation that is- according to you- so grossly imcompetent that it's about to implode?
What about our border security?
Energy independence?
Debt load?
Wealth inequality?
Political and social corruption?
Every single one is an urgent problem of our own making that we can fix without spending a single dime on Ukraine, or the Uigyurs, or Kazakhstan or wherever-the-fuck.

And I think Russia is doing some things right that we would do we to emulate:

They are truly independent. They have the manufacturing capability, technology and resources that they can tell the rest of the world to go hang, and the military to defend it. We don't have quite the resource independence that they do. We've burned thru our easily-extracted oil, and we lack strategic metals like titanium. BUT we come pretty darn close. WE could be independent. INSTEAD, WE DECIDED TO BE THE WORLD'S TYRANT.

They want to be a sovereign nation. That means they're willing to defend their borders and their rights. We (or at least our elite, anyway) gave away our manufacuring and are pissing away our money and resources on issues and places that have nothing to do with us.

They have a balanced budget. Their currency means something. Their total debt load is far less than ours.

They're reining in their oligarchs.

Their military is capable of fighting wars. Ours is just a big procurement office for Lockheed Martin and Raytheon and General Dynamics and Northrop-Grumman.

America is a sick nation, and every single one of my posts is about how AMERICA must get better.
Why do you keep obsessing about Russia for god's sake? Don't you have ENOUGH to pay attention to besides that?

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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 2:53 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Z: YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTEY RIGHT. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT AMERICA AND OUR FUTURE.
WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND NEED TO URGENTLY FIX OUR PROBLEMS, WHICH - BTW- DON'T INCLUDE UKRAINE.

- Even with ALL CAPS No one believes you are "deeply concerned" about the US. You are more concerned with telling people what they should do - *cough* fascist *cough* - the fact that you follow that with "we've lost our way" only proves it. "Urgently?" How do you Urgently fix a global problem? You're stretching again (fck, this whole post is one big stretch).

Z: "I think Russia wants to be left alone."
- So they started an unprovoked war??

Z: "But even if Putin is a "sick fucker"... SO WHAT???"
- So all those nukes and threats?

Z: "Don't we have MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about besides a nation that is- according to you- so grossly imcompetent that it's about to implode?"
- But you say they aren't so why aren't you more concerned? You logic has no logic.

Z: "What about our border security?
Energy independence?
Debt load?
Wealth inequality?
Political and social corruption?
Every single one is an urgent problem of our own making that we can fix without spending a single dime on Ukraine, or the Uigyurs, or Kazakhstan or wherever-the-fuck."
- You're right - we're not spending money on Ukraine to fix those things.

Z: "They are truly independent."
- Funny, yanno, with them being economically dependent on their Oil&Gas.

Z: They have the manufacturing capability, technology and resources that they can tell the rest of the world to go hang..."
- Great, go hang Russia! They can recall their troops and hang together.

Z: "...and the military to defend it." funny, yanno seeing how they can't beat little ole Ukraine and were driven out of Afghanistan.

Z: "We don't have quite the resource independence that they do. We've burned thru our easily-extracted oil, and we lack strategic metals like titanium. BUT we come pretty darn close. WE could be independent. INSTEAD, WE DECIDED TO BE THE WORLD'S TYRANT."
- World's? Serious, did you have a relative killed in a US bombing raid somewhere?

Z: "They want to be a sovereign nation. That means they're willing to defend their borders and their rights."
- Sooooo just like Ukraine? OKAY, that is beyond IRONIC.

Z: "They have a balanced budget. Their currency means something. Their total debt load is far less than ours."
- They have an artificially balanced budget, an artificially pimped emergency pull the red lever "clear!" stable currency, and no kidding, with an economy the size of Italy their debt load should be less than ours.

Z: "They're reining in their oligarchs."
- Because of our sanctions

Z: "Their military is capable of fighting wars."
- and failing

Z: "America is a sick nation"
- tells you everything you need to know about what Z thinks of the US.

Z: "...and every single one of my posts is about how AMERICA must get better."
- Must? Like a threat if the US doesn't listen to you?

Z: "Why do you keep obsessing about Russia for god's sake? Don't you have ENOUGH to pay attention to besides that?"
- And why do you keep obsessing about Russia for god's sake????


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 3:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody gives a shit about Russia or Ukraine.

They care even less about that than they do abortion or January 6th.

Just go right on pretending that these statements aren't true and see where it gets you.



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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 4:41 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Z: YES, YOU ARE ABSOLUTEY RIGHT. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT AMERICA AND OUR FUTURE.
WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND NEED TO URGENTLY FIX OUR PROBLEMS, WHICH - BTW- DON'T INCLUDE UKRAINE.

CC: - Even with ALL CAPS No one believes you are "deeply concerned" about the US.

Then you're deluded. What have I been posting about since I joined the board??? OUR oroblems. OUR solutions.

You can't fix anything unless you recognize it's not working. Rah-rah-ism just makes things worse.

Quote:

CC: You are more concerned with telling people what they should do -
Oh, you mean I go around telling people what pronouns they must use, what opinions they can't express, that they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" ... You mean like that??. Hypocrite much?

Quote:

CC: ... the fact that you follow that with "we've lost our way" only proves it. "Urgently?" How do you Urgently fix a global problem?

T
You STILL don't "get it", do you? WE CANT FIX WORLD PROBLEMS. Shit, how can we fix world problems when we can't fix our own??

Quote:

Z: "I think Russia wants to be left alone."
CC: - So they started an unprovoked war??

More lies?

Quote:

Z: "But even if Putin is a "sick fucker"... SO WHAT???"
CC:- So all those nukes and threats?

It wasn't Russia that broke all of the nuclear-related treaties and placed missiles on our border.
Was it?

Quote:

Z: "Don't we have MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about besides a nation that is- according to you- so grossly imcompetent that it's about to implode?"
CC: - But you say they aren't so why aren't you more concerned? You logic has no logic.

WHEN Russia becomes a security threat TO US, THEN I'll be concerned. There are three things we SHOUKD be doing right now:
Renegotiate nuclear treaties. "Trust but verify" was a formula that worked well.
Stop trying to destabilize Russia.
Revamp our military to be able to fight wars, not waste money.
Harden our cyber and infrastructure against cyber attack..

Quote:

Z: "What about our border security?
Energy independence?
Debt load?
Wealth inequality?
Political and social corruption?
Every single one is an urgent problem of our own making that we can fix without spending a single dime on Ukraine, or the Uigyurs, or Kazakhstan or wherever-the-fuck."
CC: - You're right - we're not spending money on Ukraine to fix those things.

Except we're not fixing them, instead we're spending billions on Ukraine when we should be spending that money here.

Quote:

Z: "They are truly independent."
CC: - Funny, yanno, with them being economically dependent on their Oil&Gas.

Except they're not. "Sanctions against Russia hasn't hurt Russia as much as it hurt the west. /snicker

Quote:

Z: They have the manufacturing capability, technology and resources that they can tell the rest of the world to go hang..."
CC: - Great, go hang Russia! They can recall their troops ...

And I'm sure rheybwill... once they've cleared their borders of immediate threats.

Quote:

Z: "...and the military to defend it."
CC: funny, yanno seeing how they can't beat little ole Ukraine and were driven out of Afghanistan.

You're as delusional as SECOND.

Quote:

Z: "We don't have quite the resource independence that they do. We've burned thru our easily-extracted oil, and we lack strategic metals like titanium. BUT we come pretty darn close. WE could be independent. INSTEAD, WE DECIDED TO BE THE WORLD'S TYRANT."
CC: - World's?

Yes.
Name me a region (aside from Antarctica) where we don't have troops, or that the CIA isn't trying to destabilize.

Quote:

Z: "They want to be a sovereign nation. That means they're willing to defend their borders and their rights."
CC:- Sooooo just like Ukraine?

Yep, just like Ukraine. Don't you think WE would become agitated if Cuba or Mexico hosted Russian troops and missiles?

Quote:

Z: "They have a balanced budget. Their currency means something. Their total debt load is far less than ours."
CC: - They have an artificially balanced budget, an artificially pimped emergency pull the red lever "clear!" stable currency, and no kidding, with an economy the size of Italy their debt load should be less than ours.

How is their budget "artificial"? Their debt load PER GDP is less than ours.

Quote:

Z: "They're reining in their oligarchs."
CC: - Because of our sanctions

You been living in your own little delusional world for the past 20 years, haven't you?

Quote:

Z: "Their military is capable of fighting wars."
CC: - and failing

More delusion?

Quote:

Z: "America is a sick nation"
CC:- tells you everything you need to know about what Z thinks of the US.

You cant fix anything if you're in denial about everything.

Quote:

Z: "...and every single one of my posts is about how AMERICA must get better."
CC: - Must? Like a threat if the US doesn't listen to you?

No, "must", like if we don't fix ourselves we'll become a third world state.

Quote:

Z: "Why do you keep obsessing about Russia for god's sake? Don't you have ENOUGH to pay attention to besides that?"
CC: And why do you keep obsessing about Russia for god's sake????

I'm not. How many threads have I started about Russia?

How many have you?


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 6:40 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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First 3, no time or interest in the rest because you are clearly bat shit on top of bat shit crazy:

Z: "You can't fix anything unless you recognize it's not working."
- you're posting in this thread is not working.

Z: "Oh, you mean I go around telling people what pronouns they must use, what opinions they can't express, that they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" ... You mean like that??. Hypocrite much?"
- Hey granny, I've never told anyone anything about "pronouns, they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" - so wtf? Fcking crazy much?

Z: "You STILL don't "get it", do you? WE CANT FIX WORLD PROBLEMS. Shit, how can we fix world problems when we can't fix our own??"
- you said fix problems "urgently" not me. Take whatever you're on, double the prescription even.

Otherwise, great start.


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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 7:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


More record high inflation just announced.

The announcement that we're in a recession incoming.

Nobody gives a fuck about Ukraine.



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Wednesday, July 13, 2022 8:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
First 3, no time or interest in the rest because you are clearly bat shit on top of bat shit crazy:

Oh, yeah, because CLEARLY everything is peachy-keen in the USA, and we have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever!

Quote:

Z: "You can't fix anything unless you recognize it's not working."
CC: - you're posting in this thread is not working.

Hey, all I'm trying to do is discuss things. You OTOH are here with an agenda - to propagandize, bully, dismiss, and lie.

Quote:

Z: "Oh, you mean I go around telling people what pronouns they must use, what opinions they can't express, that they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" ... You mean like that??. Hypocrite much?"
CC: - Hey granny, I've never told anyone anything about "pronouns, they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" - so wtf? Fcking crazy much?

I didn't see YOU object when "your side" behaves like a "fascist". And, no, I don't behave like that. So, what's your point? Aside from name-calling?

Quote:

Z: "You STILL don't "get it", do you? WE CANT FIX WORLD PROBLEMS. Shit, how can we fix world problems when we can't fix our own??"
CC: - you said fix problems "urgently" not me. Take whatever you're on, double the prescription even.

You haven't addressed a single point because you can't.

I would understand if you disagreed with me, and told me WHY you disagreed with me. Maybe you would propose an alternate arguement, or have a different list of problems, or a different set of solutions. But all you can manage is name-calling?

That's pathetic.


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You haven't addressed a single point because you can't.

I would understand if you disagreed with me, and told me WHY you disagreed with me. Maybe you would propose an alternate arguement, or have a different list of problems, or a different set of solutions. But all you can manage is name-calling?

That's pathetic.

Signym, the kind of Americans that express your opinions are found all over Texas and they find reasons to defend Trump and attack Biden. I've got a brother-in-law married to my older sister who could match Signym word for word about the problems of America. On the other hand, my sister has no problems, never talks politics to her husband, worked until she was 70 years old as a teacher in the Houston Independent School District, and is a self-made multi-millionaire.

How about that brother-in-law and his ideas that Signym also shares? Besides spouting his Trumpish diagnosis of America's problems, he does nothing. At 71 years old, he hasn't worked in 25 years because of his stupid motor mouth. Nobody should listen to his ideas about America, but there are millions of Americans who spout the same nonsense as he and Signym do. He had a younger brother who was the same kind of political beast: same ideas inhabiting his brain, but he didn't have a wife, like my sister. It did not end well for that younger brother. He died at 50 after he ruined himself with stupid ideas about how to run a restaurant, how to invest on the stock market, how to . . . too irritating to list his many and varied personal failures to understand the country he lived in. That guy was exactly like every other Trump defender I know. He ruined himself with stupidity, dishonesty and his lack of self-control and he blamed Democrats, not himself, for his ruin.

Back to Ukraine. Putin has a head stuffed full of nonsense and a personal life that is just as screwed up. Signym, go look at how Putin got wealthy. Look at Putin's marriage. Look at his illegitimate children. Then look at Putin's ideas for how to govern Russia. It is easy to know that Putin's ideas are wrong by comparing Russia to Japan. Russia has not prospered because of Putin's extraordinarily bad ideas. Look at the numbers, Signym. Putin is a failure and his plans for Russia have been revealed as ridiculous. His plans for Ukraine? The plans will kill many Russians and gain very little compared to what Putin spent on his war.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-petersburg-putin-bureaucrat-kgb-early-d
ays-freidzon/27740465.html

Has Vladimir Putin Always Been Corrupt? And Does it Matter?
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/has-vladimir-putin-always-bee
n-corrupt-and-does-it-matter


Country comparison Japan/Russia (Both countries had a hellish WWII experience but only one is still reliving WWII every day, year after year. Russia is reenacting WWII in Ukraine. Old tactics recycled.)
https://www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=JPN&cou
ntry2=RUS


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
First 3, no time or interest in the rest because you are clearly bat shit on top of bat shit crazy:

Oh, yeah, because CLEARLY everything is peachy-keen in the USA, and we have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever!

Quote:

Z: "You can't fix anything unless you recognize it's not working."
CC: - you're posting in this thread is not working.

Hey, all I'm trying to do is discuss things. You OTOH are here with an agenda - to propagandize, bully, dismiss, and lie.

Quote:

Z: "Oh, you mean I go around telling people what pronouns they must use, what opinions they can't express, that they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" ... You mean like that??. Hypocrite much?"
CC: - Hey granny, I've never told anyone anything about "pronouns, they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" - so wtf? Fcking crazy much?

I didn't see YOU object when "your side" behaves like a "fascist". And, no, I don't behave like that. So, what's your point? Aside from name-calling?

Quote:

Z: "You STILL don't "get it", do you? WE CANT FIX WORLD PROBLEMS. Shit, how can we fix world problems when we can't fix our own??"
CC: - you said fix problems "urgently" not me. Take whatever you're on, double the prescription even.

You haven't addressed a single point because you can't.

I would understand if you disagreed with me, and told me WHY you disagreed with me. Maybe you would propose an alternate arguement, or have a different list of problems, or a different set of solutions. But all you can manage is name-calling?

That's pathetic.





Karen thinks she is the only one who can fix the world's problems. And do it on this forum. Now that's pathetic.

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
First 3, no time or interest in the rest because you are clearly bat shit on top of bat shit crazy:

Oh, yeah, because CLEARLY everything is peachy-keen in the USA, and we have NO PROBLEMS whatsoever!

Quote:

Z: "You can't fix anything unless you recognize it's not working."
CC: - you're posting in this thread is not working.

Hey, all I'm trying to do is discuss things. You OTOH are here with an agenda - to propagandize, bully, dismiss, and lie.

Quote:

Z: "Oh, you mean I go around telling people what pronouns they must use, what opinions they can't express, that they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" ... You mean like that??. Hypocrite much?"
CC: - Hey granny, I've never told anyone anything about "pronouns, they should bend the knee or commit suicide, and how I would like to genocide the whole world "down to the last 100" - so wtf? Fcking crazy much?

I didn't see YOU object when "your side" behaves like a "fascist". And, no, I don't behave like that. So, what's your point? Aside from name-calling?

Quote:

Z: "You STILL don't "get it", do you? WE CANT FIX WORLD PROBLEMS. Shit, how can we fix world problems when we can't fix our own??"
CC: - you said fix problems "urgently" not me. Take whatever you're on, double the prescription even.

You haven't addressed a single point because you can't.

I would understand if you disagreed with me, and told me WHY you disagreed with me. Maybe you would propose an alternate arguement, or have a different list of problems, or a different set of solutions. But all you can manage is name-calling?

That's pathetic.





Karen thinks she is the only one who can fix the world's problems. And do it on this forum. Now that's pathetic.



CAPON is still reading stupid. HE'S the one obssessed with solving the world's problems. That idea is stuck in his brain like a cancer. Meanwhile, he and SECOND are incapable of even discussing America's problems, bcause "America" is a concept they're trying to eliminate.
Best not talk about it, then.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
HE'S the one obssessed with solving the world's problems. That idea is stuck in his brain like a cancer.



Name any other "world's problems" I'm obssessed with trying to solve. I post about Trump (less so now) and Putin. 2 of the most powerful and consequential and certainly most dangerous human beings of the last 50 years.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, he and SECOND are incapable of even discussing America's problems, bcause "America" is a concept they're trying to eliminate.



No, it's "bcause" I am literally not trying to solve the world's problems.

Meanwhile, Karen:

"Don't we have MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about besides a nation that is- according to you- so grossly imcompetent that it's about to implode?
What about our border security?
Energy independence?
Debt load?
Wealth inequality?
Political and social corruption?
Every single one is an urgent problem of our own making that we can fix without spending a single dime on Ukraine, or the Uigyurs, or Kazakhstan or wherever-the-fuck."

So you aren't trying to solve the world's problems? But you post that?

With her contradicting herself so frequently, the only conclusion is Ziggy's main purpose to post here is to agitate and foment disruption. Or be a non stop a-hole.

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Thursday, July 14, 2022 5:30 PM

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If Democrats were 1/10th as concerned with the problems Americans face in 2022 as they were Ukranians, we wouldn't be seeing record inflation, violent crime and illegal immigration.

But here we are.

At least until November, when the Democrat party dies.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
If Democrats were 1/10th as concerned with the problems Americans face in 2022 as they were Ukranians, we wouldn't be seeing record inflation, violent crime and illegal immigration.

But here we are.

At least until November, when the Democrat party dies.

So, you and the Trumptards have political prisons planned, 6ix? Putin did the same, imprisoning millions of ordinary Ukrainians: The United States has called on Russia to immediately stop its systematic “filtration” and forced deportation of millions of Ukrainians in territories under Moscow’s control and to allow outside observers access to camps through which they pass.

“The unlawful transfer and deportation of protected persons is a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention on the protection of civilians and is a war crime,” Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a statement Wednesday, yesterday.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/us-russia-filtrationcamps-dep
ortation-ukrainians-00045581


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Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:15 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
HE'S the one obssessed with solving the world's problems. That idea is stuck in his brain like a cancer.

CC: Name any other "world's problems" I'm obsessed with trying to solve.

Ukraine. Russia. Global climate change. Human/civil rights (but only if it applies to nations you don't like, like Russia. Not about our friends, like Israel). Abortion. Covid.

Quote:

CC: I post about Trump (less so now) and Putin. 2 of the most powerful and consequential and certainly most dangerous human beings of the last 50 years.

SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, he and SECOND are incapable of even discussing America's problems, bcause "America" is a concept they're trying to eliminate.

CC: No, it's "bcause" I am literally not trying to solve the world's problems.
Meanwhile, Karen:
"Don't we have MORE IMPORTANT things to worry about besides a nation that is- according to you- so grossly incompetent that it's about to implode?
What about our border security?
Energy independence?
Debt load?
Wealth inequality?
Political and social corruption?
Every single one is an urgent problem of our own making that we can fix without spending a single dime on Ukraine, or the Uigyurs, or Kazakhstan or wherever-the-fuck."

So you aren't trying to solve the world's problems? But you post that?

With her contradicting herself so frequently, the only conclusion is Ziggy's main purpose to post here is to agitate and foment disruption. Or be a non stop a-hole.

Dood, are you posting drunk or just reading stupid?

All of those problems... I spelled out ...

OUR border security?

Do I also have to spell out

OUR energy independence?
OUR debt load?
etc

OMFG, you're such a tool.
Meanwhile, you have not named a single region (except Antarctica) where we don't have troops or aren't trying to destabilize or control.



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At least 23 people, including children, were killed in a cruise missile attack, according to the Ukrainian authorities. They said that more than 60 needed hospital treatment and dozens more people are missing.

The president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskym called it 'an open act of terrorism'.

The attack took place in the city of Vinnytsia, south-west of the capital Kyiv and a long way from the focus of the fighting in the eastern region of Donbas.

The Russian defence ministry has consistently denied targeting civilians, despite the evidence.



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Thursday, July 14, 2022 9:58 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.

Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.

Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.

Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.

Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

--------------------------------------------------

Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians. Is it time for Putin to take his legal case to the War Crimes Court with the USA as the real killer, not Putin? Probably is time for Russia to turn the table on Ukraine for besmirching Putin's fine reputation.

Forty-five nations pledge to coordinate evidence of war crimes in Ukraine

THE HAGUE, July 14 (Reuters) - The United States and more than 40 other countries agreed on Thursday to coordinate investigations into suspected war crimes in Ukraine, shortly after what Kyiv said was a Russian missile strike that killed civilians far from front lines.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy told the international conference that Russian missiles had struck two community centres in the west of Ukraine, killing 20 people, including three children, and wounding many more.

Russia has repeatedly denied involvement in war crimes and deliberately targeting civilians since it invaded Ukraine in February. It says it launched a "special military operation" to protect Russian speakers and root out dangerous nationalists. Ukraine says Moscow is waging an unprovoked war of conquest.

"Today in the morning, Russian missiles hit our city of Vinnytsia, an ordinary, peaceful city. Cruise missiles hit two community facilities, houses were destroyed, a medical centre was destroyed, cars and trams were (set) on fire," Zelenskiy said by video link. "This is the act of Russian terror."

The Russian defence ministry did not immediately comment on the reports from Vinnytsia.

On Thursday, 45 countries at the conference in The Hague - headquarters of the International Criminal Court (ICC) - signed a political declaration to work together on investigations into war crimes in Ukraine.

Those countries included European Union states as well as Britain, the United States, Canada, Mexico and Australia.

Steps they will take include creating an umbrella group to avoid duplicating investigations, training Ukrainian prosecutors and expanding the number of forensic teams operating in Ukraine.

They also pledged 20 million euros ($20 million) to assist the ICC, as well as the prosecutor general's office in Ukraine and United Nations support efforts.

With some 23,000 war crimes investigations now open and different countries heading teams, evidence needs to be credible and organised, officials said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/west-seeks-coordinate-evidence-war-crime
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Friday, July 15, 2022 1:14 AM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.
Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.
Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

SECOND: 6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians.



Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.


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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.

Signym, you are completely full of bullshit. The Russian defence ministry has consistently denied targeting civilians, despite the evidence. The evidence:



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SIGNYM: HE'S the one obssessed with solving the world's problems.

CC: Name any other "world's problems" I'm obsessed with trying to solve.

Global climate change. - Nope

Human/civil rights like Israel. - Nope

Abortion. - Nope

Covid. - Nope. Haven't posted about Covid in ages.

>>> So, lies, stupid, and fail. Good one Karen.

Karen: "Meanwhile, you have not named a single region (except Antarctica) where we don't have troops or aren't trying to destabilize or control."

Yep - not interested. But points for Kareniskya managing to go way off topic and work in a dig on the US. Cha-China! Bonus in monthly paycheck I think!

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Ukraine Is Bringing a Big Gun to a Knife Fight

But U.S. and European multiple launch rockets alone aren’t enough to put Ukraine on the front foot for a counteroffensive.

With eight American HIMARS now in Ukrainian hands and four more expected to get into the country by the end of July, the defenders are racking up a major cost in Russian ammunition, supplies, and likely lives. Ukrainian troops knocked out 14 ammunition dumps in June, according to a tally by the BBC’s Russian service ( https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-62086287 ), many of them behind Russian lines in the Donbas, using the new weapons and another four tank-mounted rocket launchers from Britain. (More are on the way from Germany and Norway too.) The explosions have spawned a cottage industry of pro-Ukrainian memes featuring Japanese Shiba dogs in military fatigues watching the blasts, and the Ukrainian military believes that at least one Russian general has been killed in the blasts.

Russia has used cannons to batter its enemies from afar for three centuries, and officials knew that the U.S.-made precision missiles were coming for months, even sending a formal diplomatic letter to the U.S. State Department in April to try and warn off the Biden administration. There’s a reason that the Kremlin was nervous. The truck-mounted system weighs nearly 18 tons and can fire six precision-guided missiles at a time and then can quickly skedaddle, cutting into Moscow’s firepower advantage in massed artillery that is about 3-1 in the Donbas region.

Yet Russia still left itself open to a counterpunch. Early in the war, it left long, vulnerable supply convoys that were ravaged by Ukrainian sneak attacks during the Kyiv offensive. Now, they’re facing the same sort of ambush from afar, while the vaunted S-400 air defense systems Russia brought into Ukraine have been helpless against the low-altitude threat.

“It’s clear that they were not preparing to deal with this,” said Rob Lee, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who previously served in the U.S. Marine Corps. “It’s been no secret that the Ukrainians have been asking for HIMARS for a while; it was no secret that when they got HIMARS, they were coming; and it’s no secret what the capabilities of HIMARS are. What steps did Russia take to adapt? It doesn’t look like they took many steps at all.”

The U.S. Defense Department and other U.S. agencies fed HIMARS into Ukraine slowly, officials said, waiting to test Kyiv’s aptitude on the system, reflected by Germany and Britain, which handed off multiple launch rockets mounted on Bradley tank frames four at a time. But U.S. and European officials have been impressed, they said, by Ukraine’s systematic selection of targets, interdicting Russian supplies and attacking command posts in a bid to grind the Kremlin’s war effort to a near-complete halt. The goal, one Ukrainian military official said, is to destroy all Russian storage facilities on Ukrainian soil, picking off targets about five miles behind enemy lines.

“What you see is the Ukrainians … actually systematically selecting targets and then accurately hitting them, thus providing this precise method of degrading Russian capability,” a senior U.S. defense official told reporters this month. The Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy on Tuesday that Russia has responded by pulling back command posts, but because of the Kremlin’s top-down military planning and refusal to delegate command further down the ranks, it lacks the nimbleness in its logistics to disperse military supplies as Ukrainian defenders have done.

But Ukrainian officials said the weapons are not yet enough to put them on the front foot for a counteroffensive, which Kyiv had hoped to begin mounting by August. (Western officials more conservatively hope for Ukraine to start large-scale counterattacks by next spring but bearing in mind increasing public fatigue.) For instance, Ukraine’s demand for longer-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, known as ATACMS, that can be fired one at a time from the HIMARS truck beds and hit Russian targets nearly 200 miles away have fallen on deaf ears with the Biden administration, which is worried about Ukraine hitting targets inside of Russia and escalating the conflict. Kyiv has pledged that it would not do that.

The Ukrainian official said Kyiv is hoping for dozens of HIMARS to eventually arrive in Ukraine—a far cry from the 300 multiple launch rocket systems that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s confidante Mykhailo Podolyak asked for in June; Kaleniuk pegged the number at 40 batteries loaded with ATACMS missiles to begin the counterattack and self-propelled Paladin artillery pieces that can more easily dodge Russian counter-fire.

Ukrainian officials insist that Russia has not succeeded in destroying any of their batteries so far, but there remain growing fears that Russia will begin to find countermeasures from the HIMARS rockets. And the potential arrival of up to 100 Iranian combat drones, which U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Tehran had agreed to sell to Russia, is creating fears in the Ukrainian ranks that the HIMARS batteries will be left helpless to an aerial onslaught, the Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy. Ukraine has been asking U.S. officials for more drones of their own to conduct reconnaissance sweeps and fight back. “It will be really hard for [Russia] to hide command posts from our reconnaissance,” the official said.

“Russia is not above learning from market leaders—first Israeli drones over a decade ago and now Iranians,” said Samuel Bendett, an advisor with the CNA think tank and a member of the organization’s Russia Studies Program.“If Iranians provide Russia with loitering munitions, then Moscow can start applying tactics it learnt from the Nagorno-Karabakh war, where loitering munitions proved decisive.”

Even with the HIMARS screaming and more Russian ammunition depots going boom in the night, experts believe that the new American weapons are likely to simply reinforce the status quo on the ground: a protracted stalemate.

“By hitting command and control, by hitting ammo depots, you make it much more likely that a Russian offensive will stall,” Lee said. “But that doesn’t necessarily mean that HIMARS is going to give the Ukrainians the ability to retake terrain.”

More at https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/13/ukraine-himars-ammunition-russia-
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Friday, July 15, 2022 6:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.



She LOVES to lie about lying. Seriously, if she's not Russian she should least apply for special status.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.



Dood, she's trying to do a Ben Kenobi on you! "These are the voices in your head...."




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Friday, July 15, 2022 8:41 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Ukraine Is Bringing a Big Gun to a Knife Fight

But U.S. and European multiple launch rockets alone aren’t enough to put Ukraine on the front foot for a counteroffensive.

With eight American HIMARS now in Ukrainian hands and four more expected to get into the country by the end of July, the defenders are racking up a major cost in Russian ammunition, supplies, and likely lives. Ukrainian troops knocked out 14 ammunition dumps in June, according to a tally by the BBC’s Russian service ( https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-62086287 ), many of them behind Russian lines in the Donbas, using the new weapons and another four tank-mounted rocket launchers from Britain. (More are on the way from Germany and Norway too.) The explosions have spawned a cottage industry of pro-Ukrainian memes featuring Japanese Shiba dogs in military fatigues watching the blasts, and the Ukrainian military believes that at least one Russian general has been killed in the blasts.

Russia has used cannons to batter its enemies from afar for three centuries, and officials knew that the U.S.-made precision missiles were coming for months, even sending a formal diplomatic letter to the U.S. State Department in April to try and warn off the Biden administration. There’s a reason that the Kremlin was nervous. The truck-mounted system weighs nearly 18 tons and can fire six precision-guided missiles at a time and then can quickly skedaddle, cutting into Moscow’s firepower advantage in massed artillery that is about 3-1 in the Donbas region.

Yet Russia still left itself open to a counterpunch. Early in the war, it left long, vulnerable supply convoys that were ravaged by Ukrainian sneak attacks during the Kyiv offensive. Now, they’re facing the same sort of ambush from afar, while the vaunted S-400 air defense systems Russia brought into Ukraine have been helpless against the low-altitude threat.

“It’s clear that they were not preparing to deal with this,” said Rob Lee, a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute who previously served in the U.S. Marine Corps. “It’s been no secret that the Ukrainians have been asking for HIMARS for a while; it was no secret that when they got HIMARS, they were coming; and it’s no secret what the capabilities of HIMARS are. What steps did Russia take to adapt? It doesn’t look like they took many steps at all.”

The U.S. Defense Department and other U.S. agencies fed HIMARS into Ukraine slowly, officials said, waiting to test Kyiv’s aptitude on the system, reflected by Germany and Britain, which handed off multiple launch rockets mounted on Bradley tank frames four at a time. But U.S. and European officials have been impressed, they said, by Ukraine’s systematic selection of targets, interdicting Russian supplies and attacking command posts in a bid to grind the Kremlin’s war effort to a near-complete halt. The goal, one Ukrainian military official said, is to destroy all Russian storage facilities on Ukrainian soil, picking off targets about five miles behind enemy lines.

“What you see is the Ukrainians … actually systematically selecting targets and then accurately hitting them, thus providing this precise method of degrading Russian capability,” a senior U.S. defense official told reporters this month. The Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy on Tuesday that Russia has responded by pulling back command posts, but because of the Kremlin’s top-down military planning and refusal to delegate command further down the ranks, it lacks the nimbleness in its logistics to disperse military supplies as Ukrainian defenders have done.

But Ukrainian officials said the weapons are not yet enough to put them on the front foot for a counteroffensive, which Kyiv had hoped to begin mounting by August. (Western officials more conservatively hope for Ukraine to start large-scale counterattacks by next spring but bearing in mind increasing public fatigue.) For instance, Ukraine’s demand for longer-range Army Tactical Missile Systems, known as ATACMS, that can be fired one at a time from the HIMARS truck beds and hit Russian targets nearly 200 miles away have fallen on deaf ears with the Biden administration, which is worried about Ukraine hitting targets inside of Russia and escalating the conflict. Kyiv has pledged that it would not do that.

The Ukrainian official said Kyiv is hoping for dozens of HIMARS to eventually arrive in Ukraine—a far cry from the 300 multiple launch rocket systems that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s confidante Mykhailo Podolyak asked for in June; Kaleniuk pegged the number at 40 batteries loaded with ATACMS missiles to begin the counterattack and self-propelled Paladin artillery pieces that can more easily dodge Russian counter-fire.

Ukrainian officials insist that Russia has not succeeded in destroying any of their batteries so far, but there remain growing fears that Russia will begin to find countermeasures from the HIMARS rockets. And the potential arrival of up to 100 Iranian combat drones, which U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan said Tehran had agreed to sell to Russia, is creating fears in the Ukrainian ranks that the HIMARS batteries will be left helpless to an aerial onslaught, the Ukrainian military official told Foreign Policy. Ukraine has been asking U.S. officials for more drones of their own to conduct reconnaissance sweeps and fight back. “It will be really hard for [Russia] to hide command posts from our reconnaissance,” the official said.

“Russia is not above learning from market leaders—first Israeli drones over a decade ago and now Iranians,” said Samuel Bendett, an advisor with the CNA think tank and a member of the organization’s Russia Studies Program.“If Iranians provide Russia with loitering munitions, then Moscow can start applying tactics it learnt from the Nagorno-Karabakh war, where loitering munitions proved decisive.”

Even with the HIMARS screaming and more Russian ammunition depots going boom in the night, experts believe that the new American weapons are likely to simply reinforce the status quo on the ground: a protracted stalemate.

“By hitting command and control, by hitting ammo depots, you make it much more likely that a Russian offensive will stall,” Lee said. “But that doesn’t necessarily mean that HIMARS is going to give the Ukrainians the ability to retake terrain.”

More at https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/07/13/ukraine-himars-ammunition-russia-
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Friday, July 15, 2022 8:43 AM

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6IXSTRINGJACK:
Five bucks says that the US did that. By proxy, of course, but it's all the same.
Got to keep those war drums banging when the people are tired of your fake war.
Otherwise Daddy Raytheon doesn't get paid and Mama Pelosi doesn't get her kickbacks.

SECOND: 6ix, Putin, Signym and you call truth lies. How then can you win your bet that the Pentagon, not Putin, killed Ukrainian civilians? One way is that the Russian missiles did not evaporate on impact. The missile left jagged metal pieces identifying it as made in Russia, but when all truth is a lie, 6ix could claim the missile was stolen from Russia by the Pentagon, therefore 6ix wins his bet that it is the Pentagon, not Putin, killing civilians.



Similar things have happened in Syria, you know. In one infamous "Assad gassed his own people" episode, the field OPCW investigators looked at the condition and position of a chlorine cylinder and concluded that the cylinder had been "placed" on the bed. (bc if it really had fallen thru the ceiling it would have broken the bed). In other words, it was "staged" by people at the scene.

The technical report was rewritten by an OPCW higher-up to say the opposite. It wasn't until a whistleblower came forward a few years later that the malicious OPCW report was exposed.

And then there was another "Assad gassed his own people" episode where a rocket fin was placed specifically in the frame to implicate the Syrian government, amplified by the (in)famous Bellingcat.

Another "Assad gassed his own people" where the same children's bodies were spotted (by a sharp-eyed nun who worked in Syria) in different positions and locations to amplify the public body count.

And, hey, what about the half-dozen scenarios of the Skripal poisoning, none of which made sense (it was the doorknob! No, it was the clothing!) or could account for the when, where and how ... HOW they could have gotten so far from home before being overcome? Or even the so-called Navalny poisoning.

And what about the snipers on the Maidan?

Or even TRUMP!RUSSIA!COLLUSION! in which file metadata points to files being loaded locally onto a thumb drive, not "hacked" via the internet.

You think our CIA doesn't stoop to false flags and provocations?

You think Russia would get a fair hearing in any western agency?

I HATE LIES. And you, SECOND, are a clumsy, twisted, confused liar who doesn't know when to stop lying.

It's a bad habit you have there. It must make things really noisy inside your head, with dozens of voices all telling different stories. You should try to break bad habit; it's worse than smoking.


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Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

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Friday, July 15, 2022 9:28 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

6ix, you have always been a perfectly natural fit for the Republican Party. Vote for Trump since he gives your life meaning that it never before had! Be what you always were meant to be.

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Friday, July 15, 2022 9:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup.

You know when I was closest in my life to calling myself a Democrat?

When it was the Democrats who agreed on these types of issues with me when GWB was in office.

It's all right here in my post history.

Fuck 2020 Democrats.

Brainwashed fucking idiots and liars, the entire lot of them.

6ix, you have always been a perfectly natural fit for the Republican Party. Vote for Trump since he gives your life meaning that it never before had! Be what you always were meant to be.



I'm not a Republican. I've leaned far closer to being a Democrat than I ever have leaned Republican.

I will vote for Trump again.

But there's no need to give him any more credit for things he doesn't deserve. Voting for Trump brings no sense of meaning to my life.

Trump didn't drag me out of alcoholism. I did that on my own. No 12 step program, no group chat with "God" necessary.

I give my life purpose. And I've got plenty of good to do before I'm gone. For myself, and for the circle of people I care about.


I'm not the one of the two of us who has wrapped every fiber of his being around his political ideology.

That would be you, buddy.

Get some help.



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