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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:12 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:Originally posted by second: What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War? As far as I got. Answer: none. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Quote:Originally posted by second: What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War?
Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:45 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:SECOND: What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War? SIGNY: As far as I got. Answer: none. SECOND: As far as you can imagine, Russia, the [physically] largest country on planet Earth, which keeps threatening to nuke the world if it loses in Ukraine and is internally governed as if it was the novel "1984", is not a problem.
Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:53 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Saturday, May 28, 2022 3:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That about sums up how far I make it into Second's walls of gibberish these days.
Saturday, May 28, 2022 4:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: That about sums up how far I make it into Second's walls of gibberish these days.This happened 5 minutes ago: Trump voter and super fat lady across the street was carrying her baby on her left arm and had a cigarette in her right hand. She dropped the baby in the street. She won't remember next month what she did wrong, but the damage to the baby is real.
Sunday, May 29, 2022 3:17 AM
Quote: walls of gibberish
Monday, May 30, 2022 6:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: walls of gibberish And SECOND followed that wall of gibberish with a wall of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I think it's all mixed up in his mind.
Monday, May 30, 2022 7:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: In none of the scenarios does the war end in less than a year. In all cases, the economic damage will be profound not just for Ukraine, but also for the rest of the world. Don't forget, this war was asshole Joe Biden*'s doing and completely unnecessary.
Monday, May 30, 2022 11:27 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah... Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah...
Monday, May 30, 2022 2:11 PM
Monday, May 30, 2022 3:33 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah... SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan. No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing?
Monday, May 30, 2022 4:21 PM
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair?? So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility? Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah... SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan. No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing? Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair?? So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility? Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:05 AM
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Hey comrade signym. Did covid get polish Russian collaborator kiki? Her disappearance was instant. Wouldn't that be a shame, not! T
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:14 PM
Quote: Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah... SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan. No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing? Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair?? SIGNY: So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility? Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling. THUGR: No, you have it wrong comrade. Russia will pay to rebuild Ukraine. American and Europe will help while forcing Russia to ante up. We are and have been, freezing their assets worldwide. That money is already in our banks stupid. I think the Russian Security Council won’t be smiling for at least a generation. And hey, I told you so.
Quote:THUGR: Can_you_see_me_laughing?
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by THG: Hey comrade signym. Did covid get polish Russian collaborator kiki? Her disappearance was instant. Wouldn't that be a shame, not! T
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:25 PM
Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:28 PM
Quote: Ukraine Fires Own Human Rights Chief For Perpetuating Russian Troop 'Systematic Rape' Stories For over the past two months, an avalanche of stories have hit Western mainstream press which purported to document instances of mass rape carried out by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. One particular story in Time took off, driving outrage and condemnation by Western officials and receiving repeat coverage on CNN and other major US networks. It alleged "a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence" - relying chiefly on testimony gathered by Ukraine's appointed top human rights representative. It included a particularly shocking story of 25 teenage girls being gang-raped by Russian troops - nine of which became pregnant. According to the report: Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys... Ukrainians are speaking up about rape as a war crime to ensure the world holds Russia accountablehttps://t.co/tEilTSgmbS — TIME (@TIME) April 24, 2022 As has been the pattern in prior wars, whether in Syria or Libya, the media claims got more and more sensational and over-the-top as the conflict intensified, and as Western powers became more deeply involved, yet with no concrete or definitive proof. But one consistent detail in the majority of the stories is that the aforementioned Ukraine human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova, is often the central figure feeding Western correspondents the shocking rape stories. For example, she's featured in this April Newsweek piece: Lyudmila Denisova, the Ukrainian Parliament's Commissioner for Human Rights, alleged on Friday that Russian soldiers have raped children during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. In a Facebook post, Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha. Lyudmyla Denisova, Ukrainian government image Many such stories which presented ever-more horrifying details as the war progressed quickly went viral, particularly among pro-Ukraine activists on Twitter and other social media, to the point where prominent pundits would begin casually agreeing amongst themself that Russians simply are "animals". And below is another example among many, which tended to be based on "reports say" for many of the most central, damning claims... But recently, within the last couple of weeks, as investigators began to dig deeper into the allegations, it seems the media stories started to dry up. The geopolitical analysis blog Moon of Alabama details what happened in the following: However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place (machine translation): On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war. The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims. "Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes," the appeal reads. An entire global activist movement even sprang up which focused on highlighting Russian sexual crimes in Ukraine, based on the premise that Russia's military is using "rape as a tool" as part of its arsenal to spread a campaign of terror... The woman also shouted 'Don't rape us!' as the security encircled her quickly to take her off the red carpet. The incident again brought to light the Ukraine crisis at #Cannes. https://t.co/Ghs9UCKC7q — WION (@WIONews) May 21, 2022 And now on Tuesday, Interfax, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and others are reporting that Lyudmyla Denisova has been fired - precisely for floating and perpetuating fantastical claims of mass rape but without providing evidence... Ukraine's parliament just fired human rights ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova. MPs claimed her work focusing on the rape of Ukrainians by Russian troops which "couldn't be confirmed with evidence [...] only harmed Ukraine and distracted the global media from Ukraine's real needs." — Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 31, 2022 "Ukrainian lawmakers dismissed the country’s ombudsman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, in a no-confidence vote on Tuesday, concluding that she had failed to fulfill obligations including the facilitation of humanitarian corridors and countering the deportation of Ukrainians from occupied territory," The Wall Street Journal reported late in the day. "Lawmaker Pavlo Frolov said Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion," the report added. Frolov said in a Facebook post announcing her dismissal as the country's top human rights investigator: "The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine." Such accusations of mass rape by the enemy de jour are made in every war (Libya, Syria) . They rarely turn out to be true. https://t.co/bF0NVhQiFl https://t.co/i4rE2LMZMV — Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA) April 21, 2022
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote: Ukraine Fires Own Human Rights Chief For Perpetuating Russian Troop 'Systematic Rape' Stories For over the past two months, an avalanche of stories have hit Western mainstream press which purported to document instances of mass rape carried out by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. One particular story in Time took off, driving outrage and condemnation by Western officials and receiving repeat coverage on CNN and other major US networks. It alleged "a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence" - relying chiefly on testimony gathered by Ukraine's appointed top human rights representative. It included a particularly shocking story of 25 teenage girls being gang-raped by Russian troops - nine of which became pregnant. According to the report: Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys... Ukrainians are speaking up about rape as a war crime to ensure the world holds Russia accountablehttps://t.co/tEilTSgmbS — TIME (@TIME) April 24, 2022 As has been the pattern in prior wars, whether in Syria or Libya, the media claims got more and more sensational and over-the-top as the conflict intensified, and as Western powers became more deeply involved, yet with no concrete or definitive proof. But one consistent detail in the majority of the stories is that the aforementioned Ukraine human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova, is often the central figure feeding Western correspondents the shocking rape stories. For example, she's featured in this April Newsweek piece: Lyudmila Denisova, the Ukrainian Parliament's Commissioner for Human Rights, alleged on Friday that Russian soldiers have raped children during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. In a Facebook post, Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha. Lyudmyla Denisova, Ukrainian government image Many such stories which presented ever-more horrifying details as the war progressed quickly went viral, particularly among pro-Ukraine activists on Twitter and other social media, to the point where prominent pundits would begin casually agreeing amongst themself that Russians simply are "animals". And below is another example among many, which tended to be based on "reports say" for many of the most central, damning claims... But recently, within the last couple of weeks, as investigators began to dig deeper into the allegations, it seems the media stories started to dry up. The geopolitical analysis blog Moon of Alabama details what happened in the following: However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place (machine translation): On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war. The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims. "Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes," the appeal reads. An entire global activist movement even sprang up which focused on highlighting Russian sexual crimes in Ukraine, based on the premise that Russia's military is using "rape as a tool" as part of its arsenal to spread a campaign of terror... The woman also shouted 'Don't rape us!' as the security encircled her quickly to take her off the red carpet. The incident again brought to light the Ukraine crisis at #Cannes. https://t.co/Ghs9UCKC7q — WION (@WIONews) May 21, 2022 And now on Tuesday, Interfax, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and others are reporting that Lyudmyla Denisova has been fired - precisely for floating and perpetuating fantastical claims of mass rape but without providing evidence... Ukraine's parliament just fired human rights ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova. MPs claimed her work focusing on the rape of Ukrainians by Russian troops which "couldn't be confirmed with evidence [...] only harmed Ukraine and distracted the global media from Ukraine's real needs." — Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 31, 2022 "Ukrainian lawmakers dismissed the country’s ombudsman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, in a no-confidence vote on Tuesday, concluding that she had failed to fulfill obligations including the facilitation of humanitarian corridors and countering the deportation of Ukrainians from occupied territory," The Wall Street Journal reported late in the day. "Lawmaker Pavlo Frolov said Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion," the report added. Frolov said in a Facebook post announcing her dismissal as the country's top human rights investigator: "The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine." Such accusations of mass rape by the enemy de jour are made in every war (Libya, Syria) . They rarely turn out to be true. https://t.co/bF0NVhQiFl https://t.co/i4rE2LMZMV — Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA) April 21, 2022 MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fires-human-rights-chief-perpetuating-russian-troop-systematic-rape-stories ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: I think this needs its own thread. SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from this blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing. Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:04 AM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, now we're thieves? We steal other nations' money (agaist interntiona law) that's in our banks? Yeah, THAT'LL do our banks' reputations a lot of good! Not. No, we do not have Russia's money in our banks. We have SOME of their money in our banks. And it's apparently not as much as "we" thought. "We" thought it was $350 billion. An actual count has the money at about $100billion. It's a lot, but not enough to rebuild Ukraine. You can bet that whatever money Russia is currently making on selling gas and oil to the west is NOT going into western banks. Nah. ASSUMING that Russia just doesn't take over all of Ukraine (I wouldn't, but then, I'm not on their Security Council) the west is going to get stuck with that tar baby.
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:46 AM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 8:11 AM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Have fun cheerleading your war idiots. The rest of us have shit to do today.
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:10 PM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!! ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym The first half dozen comments on YouTube (translated from Russian by google https://tinyurl.com/ykpv63jv ): 1. Finally comes to life! The heart rejoices! All the days of the bombing, I was mentally with Mariupol and constantly cried. Now there is reason to rejoice! Will live! 2. Grisha, how wonderful that you are in Mariupol now. Please, more videos about the life of the inhabitants of Mariupol and in general in the city. Take a video and show everything. It is very important. 3. Laundry is being dried. Like a victory flag. For if people again care about cleanliness, then they hope that the worst is already behind them. If you started washing, then water has returned, and water is life! Life is clean! More of these flags on the houses of Mariupol! 4. Salute to Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation and restoration of peace in Mariupol. God bless their families. 5. Hi Grigory, thanks for the video, it's very good that you show that life in Mariupol is getting better! 6. I really want people to move into renovated or new houses as soon as possible. Let Mariupol be reborn like a phoenix and become better than it was Signym, the disinformation machine (directed at Russians) is working overtime to produce "comments". The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There are on-the-street videos with interviews by Patrick Sullivan which show that the people of Mariupol did NOT support the Kiev Army. One person said "We voted for secession and got something else". Mariupol was an occupied city... occupied by Kiev. Look them up. Odessa is similar. People there remember the Trades Union building fire, where Nazis burned a number of people to death. They still lay flowers at the site. Crimeans are, by and large, pretty happy with their being part of Russia, despite the fact that Kiev shut off the water supply (a war crime) years ago. And don't forget that part of the fighting force in Ukraine is from the Donetsk People's Republic and and Lugansk People's Republic. As I posted in 2014 there was a substantial minority ... roughly 30%... of the population in Ukraine that did NOT support the coup. Kiev made the situation even worse by attempting to outlaw Russian (which those people spoke), beating up Russian-speaking people, and then warring against eastern Ukraine. Kiev created a civil war when there didn't have to be one. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:14 PM
Quote: SECOND: I know perfectly well what you are doing, Signym.
Quote: SECOND: Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them — all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought.
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 3:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while. SECOND: Signym, you repeated too many times the prediction about Russia winning. Somebody gulled you into believing they know the unknown future is a certainty. And you really need to fix your signature, Signym, or William Blake will rise from his grave and punch your face for misusing a few chopped words from a longer poem that means nothing of what you imply.
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:19 PM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show. AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 10:55 PM
Quote:SIGNY: As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show. AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse. SECOND: You proved nothing about the poem, Signym, but your inability to understand that particular poem has reminded me why Russians died in great abundance during WWII in the ratio of 4 Russians for every German: ... blah blah blah... The scene of devastation in Rubizhne shows what Russia's unrelenting artillery fire is capable of. The small city is gone - scoured from the earth. The way it fell some two weeks ago, marks an important shift in how Vladimir Putin's forces are now fighting the war. Gone are long armoured columns and tank and infantry attacks seen in the first months, in favour of large-scale artillery barrages - as many as 1,500 shells a day in Rubizhne - to wipe out resistance before any ground advance. In Lysychansk, I meet private first class, Vladimir...
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: YOU meet? Ahem! Inall if this time you still don't know how to use the "quote" function? It's very simple First type an open bracket [ Then without any spaces type the word The type a closed bracke ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:13 PM
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Also, you might want to change what you posted. You post that Russians lost many soldiers in WWII bc they didn't know how to fight and imply that they haven't learned. Then you post that they DO know how to fight w/ fewer losses (long range, using lots of artillery). So you undercut your own point. Do you even READ what you post? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: I skimmed as far as "Poland". Hell, SECOND, I mentioned Poland. Seems like the brain that needs engaging is not mine. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:32 AM
Thursday, June 2, 2022 7:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: This was never about Ukraine. It was all abut the west v Russia and China. WWIII already started. It just really hasn't gotten going yet. If we're lucky, it won't.
Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:32 AM
Thursday, June 2, 2022 10:22 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by second: Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”
Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: And still not sure what the end game is. Grain? Territory? Ignominy? Self destruction?
Thursday, June 2, 2022 3:04 PM
Thursday, June 2, 2022 7:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake
Thursday, June 2, 2022 7:51 PM
Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The classified U.S. report says Putin seems to have re-emerged after undergoing treatment in April for advanced cancer, three U.S. intelligence leaders who have read the reports tell Newsweek. The assessments also confirm that there was an assassination attempt on Putin’s life in March, the officials say. The high-ranking officials, who represent three separate intelligence agencies, are concerned that Putin is increasingly paranoid about his hold on power, a status that makes for a rocky and unpredictable course in Ukraine. “Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute,” says one of the senior intelligence officers with direct access to the reports. “The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense during his rule, everyone sensing that the end is near.” https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intelligence-report-says-1710357 The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:55 PM
Quote:SIGNYM: I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia. SECOND: If this about "security", then the war won't end until NATO surrenders to Russia. It will be a long war. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.” War on Germany. War on France. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-putin-will-invade-next “Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.” War on NATO. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-putin-will-invade-next But if it is Putin wanting a legacy, then as soon as he changes his mind about what he needs to declare victory or Putin dies, the war is over.
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