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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:07 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

Keep pushing this bullshit until November and see where it gets you.

6ix, you've said a million times you don't care. I see the same attitude in all the Trump voters I know, with no exceptions. You guys are a combination of extreme selfishness with ineptitude at getting what you want out of life, plus a yellow streak of cowardliness. Obviously you wouldn't care, just so long as gasoline is cheap, and you are safe at home, far away from danger. And you will vote that way in November. You Trumptards are so pitiful and worthless as human beings, but with your huge egos protecting your feelings from self-knowledge, you can't see how insignificant all your little achievements are as you routinely go about your short, fearful and essentially futile lives.

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:14 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cares.

Keep pushing this bullshit until November and see where it gets you.

6ix, you've said a million times you don't care. I see the same attitude in all the Trump voters I know, with no exceptions. You guys are a combination of extreme selfishness with ineptitude at getting what you want out of life, plus a yellow streak of cowardliness. Obviously you wouldn't care, just so long as gasoline is cheap, and you are safe at home, far away from danger. And you will vote that way in November. You Trumptards are so pitiful and worthless as human beings, but with your huge egos protecting your feelings from self-knowledge, you can't see how insignificant all your little achievements are as you routinely go about your short, fearful and essentially futile lives.



LOL

I've got your greatest hits archived, Arthur.

Save your virtue signalling for the other oblivious morons without any sense of self-awareness on Twitter.

You are a waste of carbon, and every word you've ever written here in the RWED is a derivative of the meaninglessness you call your life.




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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:09 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you aware of the fact that a lot of people HATED Saddam Hussein .




Yup, and now he's dead. Is that your point?

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 2:12 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Are you aware of the fact that a lot of people HATED Saddam Hussein .




Yup, and now he's dead. Is that your point?

T



In the Winter War, Russia had 321,000–381,000 total casualties and Finland had 70,000 total casualties.

From the Russians' war in Finland, Hitler correctly predicted that Russians couldn't fight worth a damn. What Hitler got wrong was how many Russians he'd have to kill to get Stalin to surrender. With Stalin, the answer was kill all the Russians.

The result? Germany killed 27,000,000 Russians versus Russia killing 2,742,909 Germans on the Eastern Front. Russians were worse at fighting Germans than at fighting Finns.
(Germany kept an accurate count while Stalin couldn't give a damn how many Russians died.)

If the death toll in Ukraine shows that Russians can't fight worth damn compared to Ukrainians, China might reasonably attempt what Germany tried -- but this time China plans on killing all Russians and taking their land. Putin's future looks as hazardous as Stalin's if Russia gets beaten by Ukraine. To save himself from China, Putin will try to kill the maximum number of Ukraine civilians to show the Chinese that Russians are competent murderers. I bet the day is coming when Putin wishes he hadn't invaded Ukraine like Stalin wished he hadn't invaded Finland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Un
ion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 3:26 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


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Originally posted by second:

The Ukrainian Sovereignty Act of 2022 would ensure Ukrainians, whether they are US citizens or not, can seek monetary damages through the US courts for any losses incurred as a result of the Russian invasion, paid out by assets seized from Russia or Russian oligarchs the US government has sanctioned.

Tens of billions of dollars the Bank of Russia has stored in the US, not to mention the seized assets of other Russians and Russian entities facing sanctions, could be available to help compensate Ukrainian refugees and survivors of the war.

Ukraine could file a lawsuit in the United States and use any Russian funds to help rebuild the hospitals, schools and other structures that the Russian military destroyed during this unlawful invasion.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/11/opinions/ukraine-russia-monetary-damage
s-legislation/index.html


H.R.7205 - Ukrainian Sovereignty Act of 2022
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7205/text




Wow. The Build Ukraine Back Better bill, funded by Russian scum. It's almost too much to hope for.
I just hope there's something left to build back. I also wonder how many displaced Ukrainians would go back and live that close to Russia.

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 3:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.

Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.

I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:11 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.

Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.

I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!

So very funny you are Signym. The poor thief running Russia had his money confiscated.

2022 -- Putin may be the wealthiest man in the world with assets totaling up to $200 billion.
https://fortune.com/2022/03/02/vladimir-putin-net-worth-2022/

2017 -- Vladimir Putin Is Reportedly Richer Than Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos Combined
https://fortune.com/2017/07/29/vladimir-putin-russia-jeff-bezos-bill-g
ates-worlds-richest-man
/

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:15 PM

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Despots go after the press first. Authoritarians are terrified of a free, independent press in Russia, and here at home.

Putin’s military bombed broadcast towers in Kyiv and kidnapped, tortured, or killed reporters because he knew any resistance movement relies on journalists to stay informed and strong. He brutally cracked down on what remained of his country’s independent media for the same reason. The feisty Echo of Moscow radio station was blocked and its FM signal, in a true middle-finger move, taken over by the propaganda outfit Sputnik. Mediazona, the independent site founded by members of Pussy Riot, was blocked by the censors for calling the war a war. The venerable Novaya Gazeta self-censored “with terrible shame” by removing its war coverage from the internet, then suspended publication.

A few weeks ago, I got an emergency message from one of these brave, independent newsrooms. My sister, who happens to be working for a reader-supported news organization in Germany, had been in touch with Meduza, the largest independent Russian newsroom that was still able to report the truth about Russia, for Russians. When Putin brought the hammer down, Meduza’s team grabbed their go bags and left the country. But their reporting didn’t stop, because they had planned for this. They were set up on servers outside Russia, and had taught their readers about how to get around the censors.

That week, though, Meduza did lose its lifeblood: the 30,000 readers who made their journalism possible. (Yes, reader-supported journalism is a global movement, and as a Mother Jones reader, you are part of it.) Because of Putin’s crackdown and the Western sanctions, they could no longer send Meduza money.

I got to meet Meduza’s editor-in-chief, Ivan Kolpakov, and some of his colleagues on an early morning video call. “People are surrounded by propaganda narratives,” he said. “A lot of people believe that the Russian military is destroying military infrastructure and not bombing cities. They don’t know about the refugees. Our role is to bring this war to our readers. We need to destroy this wall between the war and Russians.”

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2022/04/their-fight-is-our-fight/

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:38 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Despots go after the press first.

That explains the USA.

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 10:08 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Despots go after the press first.

That explains the USA.

The Great Information War

Putin’s war didn’t start with the in­vasion, and it’s not just against Ukraine. It began at least eight years ago, when he launched both his assault on Crimea and his first big offensive in what the British journalist Carole Cadwalladr calls the Great Information War. That offensive was directed against the West, including the United States.

What does an information war look like? Look around. It’s about disrupting the infrastructure of conversation and poisoning the way people relate to each other.

For the past 10 years, Putin and his government have been using propaganda, especially on social media and TV, to stoke division, anger, and fear. In Russia, Kremlin-friendly media is full of stories about how refugees turned Western Europe into a hellhole, and how LGBTQ+ people are destroying traditional values. (Here’s a great thread from our friends at CODA Story, another reader-supported newsroom based in Eastern Europe.) Whiteness, Christianity, and traditional gender roles are under attack, the narrative goes, and need to defend themselves with violence if necessary.

Ring a bell at all? Those are, to a tee, also the themes of right-wing media in America and, therefore, of the Republican Party. (Check out Republican Senatorial Committee chair Rick Scott’s American “rescue plan”: The “militant left” controls the government and most of corporate America, he says—without a hint of irony—and it wants to change or destroy “American history, patriotism, the nuclear family, gender, traditional morality, capitalism…” and the list goes on.) And like the Kremlin’s lies, homegrown disinformation is growing ever more brazen, as we saw over and over in the Ketanji Brown Jackson hearings.

When I heard the heartbreaking stories of Ukrainians trying to convince their parents in Russia that the war is real, it reminded me of trying to reason with a loved one who gets their news from Fox News. That’s propaganda at work.

Which, probably, is why Tucker Carlson is such a fan of Putin’s — and vice versa. As my colleague David Corn revealed:

On March 3, as Russian military forces bombed Ukrainian cities as part of Vladimir Putin’s illegal invasion of his neighbor, the Kremlin sent out talking points to state-friendly media outlets with a request: Use more Tucker Carlson.

‘It is essential to use as much as possible fragments of broadcasts of the popular Fox News host Tucker Carlson,” advises the 12-page document written in Russian.

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2022/04/their-fight-is-our-fight/

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Tuesday, April 12, 2022 10:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Second is Leftist trash.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:40 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.

Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.

I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!






Like you, right Polish Russian Collaborators Signym and kiki? Right, just like you. Except you're here because you Russians always attack your host country, so Poland drove you out. Traitors, that's what you and Kiki are. You come from a line of traitors.


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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Interviews, direct from the people of Mariupol



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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:55 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SignyM:

Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.
Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.
I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!


THUGR: Like you, right Polish Russian Collaborators Signym and kiki? Right, just like you. Except you're here because you Russians always attack your host country, so Poland drove you out.

You think I was born in Poland? Jeez, you're stupid.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 7:25 AM

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Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"

Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

For the past week, Russian television, which is under the full control of the government, has presented as fact the fictional version of events crafted by the state — that the bodies of murdered civilians discovered in Bucha last week were planted there after the Russian withdrawal. According to Russian news anchors, correspondents, and pundits, the apparent crime scene discovered after the Russian retreat was a monstrous plot to frame Russian soldiers as war criminals, carried out by Ukraine’s intelligence service and its Western partners.

To sustain the deception that the killings in Bucha happened after Russia’s four-week occupation ended, news broadcasts and discussion programs have rigorously avoided mentioning that the government’s story has been contradicted by drone footage, satellite images, and witness testimony. But the most surprising element of the coordinated effort to keep the Russian public from learning the truth is that the state television channels most Russians rely on for their news have reported incessantly on the video — showing dead bodies lining a street in the Kyiv suburb hour after hour.

Russian viewers, instead of being discouraged from seeing videos that implicate their soldiers in war crimes, have instead been forced to watch the brutal images of dead bodies lining the street of Bucha over and over — but always accompanied by conspiratorial claims that the victims were either actors, pretending to be dead, or people who were killed by Ukrainian forces after Russian forces left. In most cases, the video of more than a dozen bodies sprawled on the pavement along Bucha’s Yablonska Street was also stamped with the word “fake,” written in red letters in English and Russian.

As a result of this strategy, millions of Russians have been bombarded with images of Bucha’s dead and urged to direct their anger over the murders onto fictional Ukrainian or Western perpetrators, not the Russian soldiers who controlled the city when these civilians were gunned down.

Much more at https://theintercept.com/2022/04/12/bucha-massacre-russia-tv-fake-ukra
ine-war
/

or

https://web.archive.org/web/20220413030020/https://theintercept.com/20
22/04/12/bucha-massacre-russia-tv-fake-ukraine-war
/

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 7:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Meanwhile, we have zero reason to believe that they're real either.

They should stop lying all the time and maybe people would believe them. It's probably too late for that now.

Trust in US media is only 36%. Second lowest ever recorded by Gallup.

Just wait until next poll.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 1:05 PM

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It's Day 47: Ukraine has now lasted longer than France did in World War II.

Slava Ukraini.


The phrase "Slava Ukraini!" (Glory to Ukraine!) first appeared in different military formations during the Ukrainian War of Independence (from 1917 to 1921).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slava_Ukraini

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 1:11 PM

THG


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Interviews, direct from the people of Mariupol







FU comrade. Nothing you post is anything but bullshit.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"

Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.

Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 4:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"

Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.

Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

Signym, you and Russians have confused up with down. Here are Russians complaining that up is down:

UK flagrantly violated UN Security Council procedure regarding Bucha situation
https://tass.com/world/1432333

Despite false claims from Russians, UK didn't do what Russia says:

UN’s Guterres joins call for Bucha war crimes probe
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412174254/https://news.un.org/en/stor
y/2022/04/1115522


Meanwhile, there are many countries and organizations investigating Russian atrocities at Bucha:

The International Criminal Court, which typically prosecutes only a handful of high-level perpetrators, has opened an investigation into atrocities in Ukraine. Ukrainian prosecutors have launched thousands of criminal investigations, while prosecutors in Poland, Germany, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, France, Slovakia, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland have opened investigations of their own. And there have been growing calls to set up a special tribunal to try Russia for the crime of aggression in Ukraine.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/bucha-ukraine-civilian-deat
hs-justice-tribunal-international-criminal-court
/

Sadly, the Russians keep saying "Atrocities? What atrocities? Go investigate Ukrainian atrocities against Russia. Russia is outraged at the calumnies being spoken against Russia. It is Ukraine you should investigate. Ukraine! Ukraine! Not Russia!"

The Russians keep complaining that all evidence is fake, fake, fake and that nothing can be believed, other than Russia is the victim here, not Ukraine. Aren't the Russians very special people?

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 5:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody cares.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 5:20 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

posted by second:
Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"
Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

SIGNY: More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.
Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

SECONDRATE: Signym, you and Russians have confused up with down. Here are Russians complaining that up is down:

UK flagrantly violated UN Security Council procedure regarding Bucha situation
https://tass.com/world/1432333

Despite false claims from Russians, UK didn't do what Russia says:

UN’s Guterres joins call for Bucha war crimes probe
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412174254/https://news.un.org/en/stor
y/2022/04/1115522


Meanwhile, there are many countries and organizations investigating Russian atrocities at Bucha:



First the hanging, then the trial?
Nothing like an unbiased investigation, eh, SECOND? /snark

The time to collect evidence was when the bodies were still on the ground.

This is just more of your shit that you splatter against the wall.


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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

posted by second:
Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"
Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

SIGNY: More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.
Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

SECONDRATE: Signym, you and Russians have confused up with down. Here are Russians complaining that up is down:

UK flagrantly violated UN Security Council procedure regarding Bucha situation
https://tass.com/world/1432333

Despite false claims from Russians, UK didn't do what Russia says:

UN’s Guterres joins call for Bucha war crimes probe
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412174254/https://news.un.org/en/stor
y/2022/04/1115522


Meanwhile, there are many countries and organizations investigating Russian atrocities at Bucha:



First the hanging, then the trial?
Nothing like an unbiased investigation, eh, SECOND? /snark

The time to collect evidence was when the bodies were still on the ground.

This is just more of your shit that you splatter against the wall.

Signym, you're a perfect example of the lawyerly point of view and I am an engineer.

Signym, you must have worked in some state bureaucracy or something equally worthless to end up looking at everything like a lawyer would.

There is a fundamental anathema between how design engineers work and how lawyers work. I understand what lawyers do and why it takes them years to finish a case while I only have days to finish my work or else the project fails and the company employees either all die in a fireball/explosion or the business goes bankrupt and the employees are fired. No lawyer has ever done anything of even the least consequence and none of them are under any real time pressure and the low pressure reality the lawyers live in luxury, where nothing is of any importance, where deadlines don't mean somebody ends up dead, certainly shows up in how many people hate lawyers for screwing around and taking forever to make decisions and finish each tiny bureaucratic step. That's why guys like Slobodan Miloševic die of heart disease and smoking during 3 year long trials -- lawyers don't feel the need to hurry -- never have and never will.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's pretty impressive what Second can accomplish from his mom's basement, huh?

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 8:59 PM

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The war in Ukraine would end with Putin’s death. Stalin’s death brought peace. According to Svetlana, Stalin had "a difficult and terrible death". It is conjectured that Stalin was murdered; Beria has been suspected of murder, although no firm evidence has ever appeared. Stalin's death was announced on 6 March. The body was embalmed, and then placed on display in Moscow's House of Unions for three days. Crowds were such that a crush killed about 100 people, which shows how even Russian funerals, like Russian wars, can end with massive death because Russkies are homicidal idiots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Final_years:_1950%E2%80%93
1953


Or maybe Putin’s death will be similar to Putin's good friend Muammar Gaddaf -- who was sodomized with a bayonet. This is what can happen to leaders who stay in power too long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Muammar_Gaddafi

Putin's End?



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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 9:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Another logic fail from SECOND: Investigating war crimes is what lawyers do. It involves THE LAW and is NOT an engineering project.

How could you fail to capture that distinction, SECOND?
Oh, I know!

It's because you're a moron!

I used to supervise analyses that were technically complicated (the same kind used by OPCW for chemical weapons) that wound up IN COURT. I will stack my technical know-how against yours any day, AND my knowledge of legal process.

You?

You're just a twisted fuck lost in your own twisted world.

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 9:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Some day, when I'm so bored I have nothing better to do, I should make a list of SECOND's failed arguments, just from this thread alone

Yanno, like

"War crimes should be handled like engineering projects" and

"Think of the tsars!!!" (Yes, indeed. Think of them. /snark)

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Wednesday, April 13, 2022 10:42 PM

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“Our ship is not sinking. It’s a special underwater operation!” -- Vladimir Putin

What follows is a tragic story at sea that would raise the righteous anger of a Russian law firm, which would then file for property damage, personal injury, wrongful death, loss of income, and damage to the natural environment. Good luck with trying to collect from Ukraine, which would kill the Russian lawyers if the chance is available. Other than another Russian, who else cares how many Russian lawyers and sailors gloriously die for the Mother Land?

Flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet reportedly seriously damaged, evacuated

The flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet was heavily damaged and its entire crew evacuated Wednesday, according to the Russian news agency TASS.

Citing the Russian Defense Ministry, TASS reported that “A fire onboard the Mosvka missile cruiser caused a blast of the broadside munitions. The ship received serious damage. The crew was evacuated.”

Russian officials did not offer details as to the cause of the fire, but Ukrainian regional governor Maksym Marchenko said on Telegram that Ukrainian missiles “caused very serious damage to the Russian ship.” There were unconfirmed reports that the cruiser — Russia’s largest warship in the Black Sea — had been struck by Neptune anti-ship missiles fired from Ukraine, and sunk.

The ship carried a crew of more than 500.

The loss of the ship would be another major embarrassment for Russian forces, and a significant tactical military victory and propaganda win for Ukraine.

The Moskva, a Slava-class guided missile cruiser, was involved in the attack on Ukraine’s Snake Island in the early days of the war, where it was one of two ships demanding the surrender of the Ukrainian garrison, who responded: “Russian warship, go f— yourself.”

The Moskva is the second major Russian warship lost in the war so far; in late March, a Ukrainian missile struck the landing ship Orsk in the Azov Sea port of Berdyansk, Ukraine.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220414022250/https://www.marketwatch.com
/story/flagship-of-russias-black-sea-fleet-reportedly-seriously-damaged-evacuated-11649898645


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Thursday, April 14, 2022 7:38 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Another logic fail from SECOND: Investigating war crimes is what lawyers do. It involves THE LAW and is NOT an engineering project.

How could you fail to capture that distinction, SECOND?
Oh, I know!

It's because you're a moron!

I used to supervise analyses that were technically complicated (the same kind used by OPCW for chemical weapons) that wound up IN COURT. I will stack my technical know-how against yours any day, AND my knowledge of legal process.

You?

You're just a twisted fuck lost in your own twisted world.






Bullshit comrade, bullshit.

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Thursday, April 14, 2022 7:40 AM

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As far as Browder is concerned, no matter what other commentators might think, Putin is definitely not crazy.

“My analysis is that he’s acting very rationally based on his own depraved values. He’s been a dictator for 22 years and has stolen hundreds of billions from the Russian state. After a while, that loss creates hardship across the country and there is a very real probability of the people rising up and overthrowing him because they’re hungry and poor,” said Browder. “Putin understands this and saw the writing on the wall for himself. He couldn’t just sit there and wait to be overthrown, so he did what most dictators do when they’re afraid of losing power: He started a war.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-american-banker-bill-browder-reveals-
why-vladimir-putin-is-so-desperate-to-snatch-him


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Thursday, April 14, 2022 7:44 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Some day, when I'm so bored I have nothing better to do, I should make a list of SECOND's failed arguments, just from this thread alone

Yanno, like

"War crimes should be handled like engineering projects" and

"Think of the tsars!!!" (Yes, indeed. Think of them. /snark




Russia threatens to move nukes to Baltic region if Finland, Sweden join NATO

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-to-move-nukes-to
-baltic-region-if-finland-sweden-join-nato/ar-AAWdJIv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4a834c2ca12a4659bba62f8b4894c454




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Putin says I’m a Nazi

Why does Russian President Vladimir Putin say I’m a Nazi? That’s easy: I’m a Ukrainian American, born and raised in New York City, who is proud of his heritage and wants his ancestral homeland to be a nice, democratic, liberal country. According to Putin and his comrades, however, all Ukrainians who think of themselves as different from Russians are “Nazis.” Hence, Russian calls to de-Nazify Ukraine are nothing less than calls to destroy everything that makes Ukraine different from Putin’s fascist Russia.

The Kremlin insists it has a right to defend the rights of Russian speakers in the entire world. To be sure, the Russians have a funny way of showing their solicitude: The residents of Mariupol, Ukraine, spoke primarily Russian and their “liberation” entailed their city’s complete destruction.

More at https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3263276-putin-says-im-a-
nazi-and-medvedev-says-i-dont-exist
/

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Thursday, April 14, 2022 9:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Another logic fail from SECOND: Investigating war crimes is what lawyers do. It involves THE LAW and is NOT an engineering project.

How could you fail to capture that distinction, SECOND?
Oh, I know!

It's because you're a moron!

I used to supervise analyses that were technically complicated (the same kind used by OPCW for chemical weapons) that wound up IN COURT. I will stack my technical know-how against yours any day, AND my knowledge of legal process.

You?

You're just a twisted fuck lost in your own twisted world.






Bullshit comrade, bullshit.



Same old blah blah from SIGGY. second has been running her *logic* down for the last 5 years and she's broken from the embarrassment. She does that to anyone who disagrees with her and makes her look like a fool. Yawn.

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Thursday, April 14, 2022 11:53 AM

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I used to think that Republicans had different values than Democrats and that explained the conflict between the two. Similarly, that Russians had different values than Americans and that explained the Cold War conflict. But I realized it is Democrats who have whole sets of different values and those explain why different Democrats conflict with each other. Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians, but both had a condition of saying NO! to everything. Republicans and Russians are the arteriosclerosis, or the impacted colon, of humanity. They just plug up everything. Republicans and Russians are medical conditions that require strong laxatives to keep the world functioning. Strain at stool is what Republicans and Russians are to the world. See your political gastroenterologist for Republicans; have Ukraine give Russia a huge enema to flush the Russkies out. The world will temporarily feel better, but within months the Republicans and Russians will return to once again plug the bowels of the world.

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Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have become the first European countries to cut off gas imports from Russia, a move that seeks to curtail Russian President Vladimir Putin’s main revenue source.

The three NATO members, all former Soviet republics, have resisted Moscow’s rule since former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin absorbed them during World War II. For years, they have been combating Russian misinformation and efforts to stir up unrest among their Russian-speaking citizens. The war in Ukraine has vindicated their fears.

“For years, they have raised the alarm that Russia is their most existential threat,” wrote NBC News. “Yet, they feel they received little response prior to the invasion of Ukraine.”

Michael Gerson is warning that Putin might invade the Baltics next. Exiled Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, formerly the richest man in Russia, shares that view. Khodorkovsky now believes Putin has no compunctions about waging a war against NATO, starting with the Baltics.

More at https://www.dailychatter.com/stories/fear-and-vindication/

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Thursday, April 14, 2022 9:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

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Friday, April 15, 2022 12:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

It would be terrible if you died as miserable as you lived.

You're funny, Signym, in the same way Kremlin spokesman Dmitri Peskov is funny:

“If Ukraine continues its provocations by attacking Russian cities, Russia will be forced to declare war against Ukraine”
4:44 AM · Apr 15, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1514902489535066114

Why don't Countries Formally Declare War Anymore? (Short Animated Documentary)



Putin’s Ukraine invasion: Do declarations of war still exist?
https://theconversation.com/putins-ukraine-invasion-do-declarations-of
-war-still-exist-177880


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Putin's Defence Minister suffers heart attack 'not from natural causes' amid Ukraine war

Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu has reportedly suffered a massive heart attack amid the war with Ukraine and foul play is being suspected.

Vladimir Putin's Defence Minister, Sergei Shoigu, who has not been spotted for a few days now, has reportedly suffered a massive heart attack 'not from natural causes'. This comes as reports also claimed that 20 generals have been arrested for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which has not been very successful until now.

According to reports, Shoigu, who has been a close ally of Russian President Putin since 2012, has been missing in action for some weeks now.

Russian-Israeli businessman Leonid Nevzlin also made a sensational claim about a major rift between Putin and his closest advisers and military leaders.

Two days before Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, a video of President Vladimir Putin started doing the rounds on social media. In the video, Putin was seen asking Russia's Foreign Intelligence Service chief Sergey Naryshkin to "speak plainly" about his stand on recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk as independent states.

Despite the fact that Naryshkin is counted among his closest aides, Russian President Vladimir Putin did not shy away from publicly embarrassing one of his top-ranking officials.

Another picture going viral on social media shows Putin sitting at a distance from Russia's Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu and others during a meeting.

This led to speculation about differences of opinion between the Russian President and his top officials. Many say Putin did not want any ambiguity on the subject of Ukraine within his inner circle.

Appointed the Minister of Defence in 2012, Sergey Shoigu was at the helm when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014. A long-time confidante of Putin, many say Shoigu accompanies the Russian President on hunting trips.

Soon after Russian forces started pouring into Ukraine on February 24, it was Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu who put Russia's "nuclear deterrent forces on high alert" at the direction of President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/russia-ukraine-war/story/putin-defence
-minister-sergei-shoigu-suffers-heart-attack-foul-play-russia-ukraine-war-1937732-2022-04-15


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Saturday, April 16, 2022 7:07 AM

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Cluster Bombs. The banned weapon Russia (and the US) won’t give up



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Sunday, April 17, 2022 7:55 AM

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Russia’s revenge: Putin attacks Ukrainian factory that makes anti-ship missiles after warship Moskva sinks
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-moskva-ukraine-
antiship-missiles-b2058712.html


Pro-Russia Serbs protest in Belgrade to support Russia and against NATO
https://www.euractiv.com/section/enlargement/news/pro-russia-serbs-pro
test-in-belgrade-to-support-russia-and-against-nato
/

Albania, Kosovo accuse Russia of war crimes
https://accesswdun.com/article/2022/4/1091780

EXPLAINER: Why the Term ‘Genocide' Matters in Russia-Ukraine War
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/explainer-wh
y-term-genocide-matters-in-ukraine-war/2869557
/

Italian and French Embassies to Reopen

https://www.wsj.com/

Talking to Putin achieves nothing, says Italy's Draghi
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com
"I am beginning to think that those people are right when they say 'It is useless to talk to him, it's just a waste of time'," Draghi told the daily Il Corriere della Sera.
Draghi said he had always felt French President Emmanuel Macron, who currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, "is right to try every possible avenue of dialogue.

'Talking to Vladimir Putin achieves nothing, says Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi'
https://www.firstpost.com/world/talking-to-vladimir-putin-achieves-not
hing-says-italian-prime-minister-mario-draghi-10566251.html


Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians



WTF is wrong with you? So you class every Republican the same even the Libertarian Centrist Ones?
How can you be so manipulated to hate your own people?




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Sunday, April 17, 2022 9:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

Quote:

Originally posted by second:

Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians



WTF is wrong with you? So you class every Republican the same even the Libertarian Centrist Ones?
How can you be so manipulated to hate your own people?

I looked up "Libertarian Centrist" https://www.google.com/search?q=Libertarian+Centrist

Libertarian Centrist doesn't mean a damn thing.

You know that people are judged based on the worst things they have done, not on how they behaved on a low-stress, average day, one that doesn't stress test their souls. There are many Americans and Russians that habitually flunk the test whenever one of those high-stress, pressure-filled trial days comes around.

I know hundreds of people who voted for Trump. It is not funny, but before there was a Trump, these hundreds were assholes. Not assholes everyday, because most days are nice and easy, but they failed often enough to separate themselves from normal people. They'd tell you "Trust me" but you couldn't because they would betray your trust if 1) they believed they won't be caught and 2) saw an advantage that made being caught worth taking it. They'd say "Believe me" but they were liars. They are exactly the kind of people that screw up organizations they belong to.

They're good for something, but not for long because there will be more days that test their souls and, once again, they will flunk the test. And as you might expect from grouping themselves into the Republican political party, they believe themselves to be unjustly oppressed and are fighting back. Pro-war Russians also believe themselves to be unjustly oppressed and they, too, are fighting back against the worst imaginable people in the world: Nazis in Ukraine, where most Ukrainians are Nazis in their imagination. And don't forget NATO, which is worse than Nazis according to Pro-war Russians.

I think Trump voters and Russians make it pretty clear they earned oppression if you want the world to prosper. Or maybe they just need a good ass-beating for being lying, thieving scumbags when special and rare circumstances permit them getting away with it, just like Trump (for the Republicans) and Putin (for the pro-War Russians). Trump and Putin have long and sordid histories that should make any decent person refuse to vote for either, but both have tens of millions of fans who are the worst Americans and Russians, as they shall prove to be whenever tested in life.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that he has difficulty believing in the reliability of "some countries or some leaders" after the escalation of the war in his country.

CNN's Jake Tapper asked Zelensky during an exclusive interview about whether he finds statements when world leaders use the term "never again," a slogan that is associated with Holocaust and often uttered after crimes against humanity, "hollow" now.

"You lost ancestors in the Holocaust. Every year on Holocaust Remembrance Day, politicians put out statements that say, never again, never again. Those statements must seem really hollow right now to you. When the world says never again, do they ever mean it?" Tapper asked.

Zelensky responded, "I don't believe the world. After we have seen what's going on in Ukraine, we've — I mean that I don't believe some countries or some leaders. We don't believe their words. After the escalation of Russia, we don't believe our neighbors. We don't believe all of this."

The Ukrainian president went on to say that he doesn't even believe in documented security assurances and international law as the war in Ukraine rages, and with Russia accused of alleged war crimes.

"Even I don't believe documents, because we also have a Budapest Memorandum** — I think you know all of the details of this. For me, that is just a piece of paper and costs nothing," Zelensky said

Zelensky told CNN that his faith and his belief lies with practical, tangible efforts and the Ukrainian people.

"We just believe pragmatic things. If you are our friends or partners, give us weapons, give us a hand, give us support, give us money and stop Russia, kick Russia. You can do it if you're a friend," he said.

Zelensky continued, "The only belief is belief in ourselves, in our people, belief in our Armed Forces, and the belief that countries are going to support us not just with their words but with their actions. And that’s it. Never again — Really, everybody is talking about this and yet, as you can see, not everyone has got the guts."

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-17-2
2/h_d43a536381bb51b3facca1e6a7531abc


** What is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandu
m-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184


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Sunday, April 17, 2022 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

It would be terrible if you died as miserable as you lived.




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Sunday, April 17, 2022 12:14 PM

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Nobody cares.

--------------------------------------------------

Me: "Remember Covid?"

Useless Idiots: "What's Covid, durr? Russia, Ukraine, Putin, NATO *drool*. DURRRR!!!!"

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Monday, April 18, 2022 8:34 AM

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The Russian ambassador is Washington’s least popular man

Anatoly Antonov walks the halls of an increasingly empty embassy.

In an exclusive interview with POLITICO, he admits that Ukraine is a separate country from Russia, with a right to be sovereign, although he’s not sure how long that can or should last. After all, he says, Russia’s goal is much grander than reining in its neighbor. It’s about preventing the domination of the world by any one country.

“It’s a very narrow approach to say the ‘Russian invasion of Ukraine,’” Antonov said. “We are talking about changing the world order that was created by the United States, by NATO countries after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.”

When told that perhaps his current lack of popularity in Washington is due to his unwillingness to acknowledge the realities about what Russia is doing to Ukraine, Antonov refers to the adage: “Every coin has two sides.” In other words, he has his own facts he’d like Americans to consider.

“I am not trying to dissuade you. I would like you to look,” he said, at one point handing over a set of folders thick with op-eds, statements and images promoting Kremlin talking points about the Ukraine crisis. “It’s up to you to decide whether Russian ambassador is providing you with fake news.”

Moscow is not waging an unprovoked war on Ukraine, an independent country with a democratically elected government led by a Jewish man, Antonov said. Instead, he says, Russia is carrying out a “special military operation” to purge Ukraine of Nazis and other bad actors and ensure that the country is not a staging ground for NATO or other outfits that Moscow sees as a threat.

But now, after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, why should the world trust Russia?

“You have to decide who we are for you,” Antonov said. “Whether we are partner for you, whether we are rival for you, whether we are opponent, or I don’t want even to use this word, ‘enemy.’”

“As for me, I’m still sure we should be partners,” he adds. “Previously, I would say that we are partners. Now we are not partners. It’s a pity.”

More at https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/18/anatoly-antonov-russia-ambass
ador-00025744


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Monday, April 18, 2022 9:31 AM

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Nobody cares.

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Monday, April 18, 2022 11:33 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Looks like the last of the Mariupol Azov rightwinger holdouts and their western compatriots are entrenched in the Azov steel plant. So far, Kiev has lost 8 helicopters and a cargo ship trying to evacuate ... somebody ... from the steel plant.

Russians say IIRC that there are about 100 foreign fighters mixed in with the Azov remnants. Well, you can't evacuate 100 people by helicopter, so WHO is so high-ranking that they felt the urgent urgency to evacuate them?

Or possibly WHAT do they have that is so incriminating that it needs to be ferried out? Chemical weapons (aka "novichok")? A dirty bomb?

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Monday, April 18, 2022 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Captured Britons Appear On Russian TV Urging Boris Johnson To Negotiate Ukraine Prisoner Swap

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/captured-britons-appear-russian
-tv-urging-boris-johnson-negotiate-ukraine-prisoner


BoJo is now countering Liz Truss' call for Britons to "fight for democracy" in Ukraine, telling Brits DON'T go to Ukraine.

Good advice, BoJo, just a little late for some.

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Tuesday, April 19, 2022 1:25 PM

SIGNYM

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Remember 2014-15 when G was hyperventilating about Russia "invading" Ukraine, and I kept saying that it wasn't an invasion, it was proxy/hybrid war???

That wasn't an invasion.

THIS is. Now, for reality...

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Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere:

Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military.
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Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere.

The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.

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Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation:

Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a result of a missile attack by Russian invaders.
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On April 2, the Russian invaders destroyed the infrastructure of the Kremenchug oil refinery with their shelling, and it stopped working.

The damage done daily to the Ukrainian military and military industry is huge. One can get a sense of it when one reads through the briefings of the Russian defense ministry. From today's morning brief (here in full as some have difficulties accessing the site):

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.

Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.

18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.

11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

This has now been going on daily for more than a month. While the precision of the above numbers is somewhat uncertain I do not think that they are exaggerated by much. Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send.

That means that the military destruction and defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the country's east is all but assured.

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Is their hope that their daily over the top 'Russia is losing' propaganda will create enough political momentum for a large scale NATO intervention?

That would end in a disaster for the NATO forces.

Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed:

Three brigades, or a total of 36 Iskander launchers (two missiles each plus two resupply missiles per launcher) were deployed to Belarus as part of the buildup to war in Ukraine. Two additional brigades (12 launchers) were also assigned to Russia's Southern Military District and moved forward in the area of Belgorod near the Russian border; and to the area of Krasnodar, south of Ukraine.

Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back.

On March 24 the Pentagon claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions. However, if the Russian defense ministry report is correct, at least 16 precision air ground missiles and 7 Iskander were used just yesterday. To me that does not sound like 'limited supplies'.

Other issues:

Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

A picture of the damaged Russian cruiser Moscwa was published today.

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The Russian cruiser was damaged last week and sunk. The ship is listing and so it must have additional damage below its waterline. The picture shows fire midships on its port side where two of its close-in weapons systems and their ammunition storages are. The ships crane is deployed right above that area. The large anti-ship missiles towards the bow and the S-300 air defense launchers behind the deckhouse seem intact. The port side life rafts are no longer where they were and must have been launched. That means that a significant part of the crew likely got off the ship alive before it sank.

The picture does not tell us what has happened. Was this an accidental ammunition explosion as Russia had first claimed or was the ship hit by Ukrainian (or British?) anti-ship missiles as the Ukraine is claiming? We will have to wait for further reports to know that.

Posted by b on April 18, 2022 at 17:28 UTC | Permalink



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hat-is-its-plan.html#more


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