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Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:43 PM

BRENDA


Rain held off and the dark clouds cleared out. Sunny and dry here right now at 7:45 pm.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:30 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well that report is from 1972. I'm pretty sure they were still telling us that smoking cigarettes was good for your health back then.
It's the complete opposite of everything I've heard on the issue, but what do I know.

Which report is that? This is the only 'report' I found on the previous page about anything. To clarify, do you mean this one, from 2012? "Long-term perspective on wildfires in the western USA PNAS February 28, 2012. 109 (9) E535-E543; https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.111283 "

Oh, I figured it out. You mean the early report from 1972 which I posted to show how far back the connection between fire suppression and fuel build-up goes. Followed by a second report from 1999 showing the same thing. And for good measure, here's another paper from 2015 saying the same thing, http://science.sciencemag.org/content/349/6254/1280

I guess it's a good thing to never stop learning!




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Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:33 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So earlier today out of curiosity I went to the CalFire website and totaled up the acres burned in California to date (just looking at fires over 2,000 acres). It was over 550,000 acres. That's a lot of acres.

When I left work, there was a new purple-brown cloud in the sky, this time coming from the east. As of 8 hours ago it was a 4,000 acre fire in OC and raging out of control. And during the day the Mendocino fire grew from 273,664 acres this AM to 283,000 acres by the evening.

My current rough estimate is now 564,000 acres burned, up from earlier in the day.

There are 16 major wildfires in California today.

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News reported that smoke from CA wildfires has reached NYC. Maybe I should look at the sky sometime, too.

I can't imagine this is a new thing. 300 or 400 years ago there must have been unrestrained fires in CA, and Pilgrims were sure to have seen the smoke. Just wouldn't have known it was from 3,000 miles away.

Tonight news said that we have smoke in the sky here in Green Bay, but it is coming from Canada. Yes, that is North of us.
Green Bay is 3 degrees of latitude North of Chicago, and NYC another degree South of Chicago.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:03 AM

BRENDA


We finally did get some rain here this evening. Wasn't much and not that heavy. I didn't hear it. I looked out a window and saw that the road was wet.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:07 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.








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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:22 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I don't remember the fires in California being this bad either when I was a child.

And I am sure the Native Americans saw wild fires too.

But the frustrating thing is that there are no recorded Histories of the Native Americans, are there? Do you know if there are any stories passed down about such occurrences? Also, Native Americans populated the whole of the continent, correct? Communication between Tribes/Nations could have revealed news of where the smoke originated. Early Pilgrims would not have been certain how far away the Pacific was.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:33 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I know you dislike it Brenda, but good for the rain! It's how you pay for that lovely green environment! Otherwise, your surroundings could look more like this:

https://www.gettyimages.fi/event/record-heat-fuels-holy-fire-in-southe
rn-california-threatening-homes-775208386





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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:38 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.



THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

not to sidetrack your exchange, but I'm not clear on the sides of the story.
My Public School in WI was a follower of John Muir. Many reports are biased with the Government programs or against. Most against point out the Government oversight of Forestation was destructive. Which side are you on? And what do you call the different sides or philosophies?

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:51 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
The entire Southwest is drying. There are some people who think we're entering a megadrought. Speaking of megadroughts, that's what's thought to have done in the Anasazi civilization.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Did you grow up in CA? And I don't recall your age.
How much contribution to the problem do you feel the diversion of CA water to L.A. was? And also the direct flushing of CA freshwater reservoirs to the ocean?

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:21 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I don't remember the fires in California being this bad either when I was a child.

And I am sure the Native Americans saw wild fires too.

But the frustrating thing is that there are no recorded Histories of the Native Americans, are there? Do you know if there are any stories passed down about such occurrences? Also, Native Americans populated the whole of the continent, correct? Communication between Tribes/Nations could have revealed news of where the smoke originated. Early Pilgrims would not have been certain how far away the Pacific was.



That's because we didn't have a written language. I am sure there were stories passed down of major fires or flooding even. You would have to go through the histories of various tribes in areas to see about the fire seasons then.

You know damn well we did JSF.

Yes, runners would have carried news of fires in areas of tribes that were on friendly terms.

Np, the pilgrims wouldn't have.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:23 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I know you dislike it Brenda, but good for the rain! It's how you pay for that lovely green environment! Otherwise, your surroundings could look more like this:

https://www.gettyimages.fi/event/record-heat-fuels-holy-fire-in-southe
rn-california-threatening-homes-775208386





THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."


I know Kiki. I've seen a couple of fire ban signs around where I am. This will help and maybe they will go down. We shall see.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:42 PM

BRENDA


Looks like the rain clouds have moved off. Suppose to hit 29C tomorrow which is almost 90F.

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Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
not to sidetrack your exchange, but I'm not clear on the sides of the story.
My Public School in WI was a follower of John Muir. Many reports are biased with the Government programs or against. Most against point out the Government oversight of Forestation was destructive. Which side are you on? And what do you call the different sides or philosophies?

There's a narrative that says lots of forest litter keeps the soil moist and prevents wildfires. So any fires should be suppressed. There's the opposite narrative that says that many small fires over an extended period of time thins excess saplings and brush and keeps the forest floor clear of deadwood and litter, aka fuel. I'm of the side that seems to be most supported by data, which is that many small fires are more beneficial than lots of deadwood and litter, and trees - at least here in California. Those small fires burn low to the ground, passing through relatively quickly and coolly, which leaves the fire-resistant bark of mature trees unscathed. (Though the same dynamic applies to prairies, where native plants are fire tolerant with deep roots that escape destruction, and some seeds that need to be burned to sprout. Small frequent fires burn out non-native species, remove excess thatch, and recycle nutrients.)

Government fire suppression programs over the decades, while well-intentioned, allowed too much burnable 'stuff' to build up, and created forests with many more trees per acre than would naturally occur. Those conditions - along with the drought that has led to an invasion of the western bark-beetle that's killed many, many trees - have created conditions that foster massive, extremely hot fires that burn even mature trees to the ground, and can glassify the dirt.

One interesting fact about forest fires like that is that they can smolder underground in roots for months - not being fully extinguished until the winter rains come.

I don't know if there's a name for each of the philosophies.




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Sunday, August 12, 2018 9:59 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you grow up in CA? And I don't recall your age.
How much contribution to the problem do you feel the diversion of CA water to L.A. was? And also the direct flushing of CA freshwater reservoirs to the ocean?



No, I grew up in the northeast. At this point in time, roughly half my life was back there, and the more recent half here, in SoCal.

Really old! Probably old enough to be your grandmother!

I don't think that has much to do with it. By the time the water hits the rivers, it's already done its job in the forested environment. That said - warming weather means less snow in the snowpack, and melting a month and a half earlier than normal. The snowpack is like the worlds biggest reservoir - holding almost all the winter precipitation in storage, then gradually releasing it over many months. Since we can't do much about the loss of the snowpack, I've wondered if introducing beavers to hold up the water would help.




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Sunday, August 12, 2018 10:02 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

I know Kiki. I've seen a couple of fire ban signs around where I am. This will help and maybe they will go down. We shall see.

I have my fingers crossed - no fires for you this year!




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Sunday, August 12, 2018 11:20 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:

I know Kiki. I've seen a couple of fire ban signs around where I am. This will help and maybe they will go down. We shall see.

I have my fingers crossed - no fires for you this year!




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The signs were in parks around my city. But with the rain not showing up today, the signs will stay up.

There have been fires up the Interior but I haven't heard of anything as bad as a couple of years ago when people were loosing their houses.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 2:06 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.



I'm not convinced at all that you're correct about this.

I also don't appreciate your condescending tone either.

At this juncture, I'm just going to attribute my thoughts on the issue as being derived from not being subjugated to Liberal brainwashing in the American College system.

I might be wrong about the issue, but at least I'm not being a smug cunt about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 13, 2018 2:48 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
not to sidetrack your exchange, but I'm not clear on the sides of the story.
My Public School in WI was a follower of John Muir. Many reports are biased with the Government programs or against. Most against point out the Government oversight of Forestation was destructive. Which side are you on? And what do you call the different sides or philosophies?

There's a narrative that says lots of forest litter keeps the soil moist and prevents wildfires. So any fires should be suppressed. There's the opposite narrative that says that many small fires over an extended period of time thins excess saplings and brush and keeps the forest floor clear of deadwood and litter, aka fuel. I'm of the side that seems to be most supported by data, which is that many small fires are more beneficial than lots of deadwood and litter, and trees - at least here in California. Those small fires burn low to the ground, passing through relatively quickly and coolly, which leaves the fire-resistant bark of mature trees unscathed. (Though the same dynamic applies to prairies, where native plants are fire tolerant with deep roots that escape destruction, and some seeds that need to be burned to sprout. Small frequent fires burn out non-native species, remove excess thatch, and recycle nutrients.)

Government fire suppression programs over the decades, while well-intentioned, allowed too much burnable 'stuff' to build up, and created forests with many more trees per acre than would naturally occur. Those conditions - along with the drought that has led to an invasion of the western bark-beetle that's killed many, many trees - have created conditions that foster massive, extremely hot fires that burn even mature trees to the ground, and can glassify the dirt.

One interesting fact about forest fires like that is that they can smolder underground in roots for months - not being fully extinguished until the winter rains come.

I don't know if there's a name for each of the philosophies.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Now I recall that one of the philosophies was Forest Management driven by the paper/timber industry, which was vital to early Wisconsin. I think it may have been called Clearcutting.
I think that some Western regions eventually required a competing practice, due to the long lives or maturities of Methuselah, Sequoia, Redwoods. I don't recall science driving those practices, other than hairbrained theories, coming from know-nothing graduates of College Forest Management. Seasoned woodsmen knew those schemes wouldn't work.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 2:58 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you grow up in CA? And I don't recall your age.
How much contribution to the problem do you feel the diversion of CA water to L.A. was? And also the direct flushing of CA freshwater reservoirs to the ocean?


No, I grew up in the northeast. At this point in time, roughly half my life was back there, and the more recent half here, in SoCal.

Really old! Probably old enough to be your grandmother!

I don't think that has much to do with it. By the time the water hits the rivers, it's already done its job in the forested environment. That said - warming weather means less snow in the snowpack, and melting a month and a half earlier than normal. The snowpack is like the worlds biggest reservoir - holding almost all the winter precipitation in storage, then gradually releasing it over many months. Since we can't do much about the loss of the snowpack, I've wondered if introducing beavers to hold up the water would help.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

You should watch some shows on beavers, they turn desert areas green. But then the environmentalists would sue.
They even know how to make the beavers dam where they would be helpful, instead of in the way.
I was thinking of the overall drought, water table, instead of the locality of forests. The more surface freshwater, the more snow and rain there is.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 3:03 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.


I'm not convinced at all that you're correct about this.

I also don't appreciate your condescending tone either.

At this juncture, I'm just going to attribute my thoughts on the issue as being derived from not being subjugated to Liberal brainwashing in the American College system.

I might be wrong about the issue, but at least I'm not being a smug cunt about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Gee, bad day at work? Your wussy hurts now?

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Monday, August 13, 2018 3:29 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I was thinking of the overall drought, water table, instead of the locality of forests. The more surface freshwater, the more snow and rain there is."

On the west coast the rain comes primarily from the ocean. So overall rainfall isn't affected by ground surface moisture.

There IS such a thing as fog-harvesting. Certain areas have conifer stands that readily condense fog on their needles, where it drips down and waters the roots, in a self-perpetuating system. But once you cut the trees down nothing catches the fog. It rolls in and back out, and all that moisture is unused. It's a puzzle how to reestablish the system once the trees are gone.




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Monday, August 13, 2018 3:39 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack, I was specifically talking about western forests (and prairies) that are adapted to drought, not every forest everywhere. Not the hardwood forests of the southeast, or the boreal forests of the north, or the deciduous forests of the northeast and north central US, or even the temperate rainforests of the Pacific northwest.




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Monday, August 13, 2018 5:33 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
So Jack - I'm curious.

The idea that many small unsuppressed fires repeated over many decades contribute to the health of an ecosystem goes back over 40 years. I happen to have learned about it years ago under the slightly different guise of prairie fires, but it's the same concept. But the environment/ biology/ medicine is sort of my 'thing' that I've learned about formally and informally since I was a small child. I'd be more surprised if I didn't know about it.

What I'm wondering about is how such a well-known concept eluded you, a civilian of the topic. Should I attribute it to mis-education in the public school system? A big blank in schooling filled in by Smokey the Bear PR? Poor reporting in an ongoing way that just happened to miss the concept over all these years?

I'm really curious where your ideas came from, and where the mis-direction, or blank spots in your information came from.


I'm not convinced at all that you're correct about this.

I also don't appreciate your condescending tone either.

At this juncture, I'm just going to attribute my thoughts on the issue as being derived from not being subjugated to Liberal brainwashing in the American College system.

I might be wrong about the issue, but at least I'm not being a smug cunt about it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Gee, bad day at work? Your wussy hurts now?



No. I still have a few days off of work still.

Doesn't mean I'm not going to call out cunty behavior when I see it.

I expect that kind of thing regularly from T. Kiki has been known to exhibit behavior like this from time to time as well and should be called on it.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt here and say that maybe she wasn't aware that she was being a dick, and she might very well even talk to her own friends who aren't as privileged and educated as she is like this too. It's for her own good.

Do Right, Be Right. :)





EDITED TO ADD: And just an FYI, the "many small unsurpressed" forest fires create ash and other debris that would also hold in moisture, and this is all part of a delicate ecosystem that had been put together long before man was around to screw everything up.

It would stand to reason that during these recent "beautification" projects that removed all debris, that the ash from these smaller fires were removed along with all the other branches and leaves that held in any moisture that would naturally prevent these fires from raging out of control like they do today.

I reject that you know it all simply because you went to school.

I don't believe half the shit they teach in school today because of politics, and this is a heavily charged political issue, so why would this be any different.

Maybe you should take this opportunity to question your own education, rather than lord your self perceived superiority over others.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 8:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack, I actually was trying to be NICE. It obviously went very astray. But you spent several posts exchanging zingers with Brenda at my expense (which I ignored but probably shouldn't have). You even exchanged pleasantries over how subtle you were being. How about you consider it payback for your own cunty behavior? Yanno - for being a cunt to me.





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Monday, August 13, 2018 8:57 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jack, I actually was trying to be NICE. It obviously went very astray. But you spent several posts exchanging zingers with Brenda at my expense (which I ignored but probably shouldn't have). How about you consider it payback for your own cunty behavior? Yanno - for being a cunt to me.





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When did I do that?

Those zingers were at JSF's expense. I didn't even consider you at all when we were talking before you insulted my education/intelligence.... "in a nice way".

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 13, 2018 9:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Might as well explain why they were at JSF's expense while I'm at it here since it will only be inevitable that he chimes in as well and I end up getting double teamed by two people who usually don't get along with each other very well.

The "zingers" toward JSF, at least on my side and I'm not speaking for Brenda, were initiated because I was replying to his obviously right wing ideologies and pre-programmed predispositions he holds on climate change and his absolute close-mindedness on the issue because of his staunch and unwavering partisanship to the GOP.

What we seem to have uncovered here is an equal and opposite ideological stance and close-mindedness on this issue on your end as well.

Curious, since I don't consider you to be an ideologue for the Lefties. The ones that frequent these boards seem not to believe that either. That's for sure.

It's likely more to do with you having to question that high priced education that you received, and what that might do to your "bubble" if you found out some things you have long held as absolutes were absolutely-nots.


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Monday, August 13, 2018 9:20 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack - I said I was on the 'side' best supported by data. I limited my comments to drought-adapted forests. I didn't insult your intelligence.

But the idea I was talking about has been around for over 40 years - longer than your lifetime! And you seem not to have even heard of it - at all. Not even conceptually, that fire can renew some ecologies.

I'm not blaming you. I'm not criticizing you. I'm just wondering as to how that came to be.





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Monday, August 13, 2018 7:37 PM

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Air quality advisories out for the Lower Mainland and the Frazer Valley because of smoke in the air. Wildfires up the Interior and smoke is being blown down where I am.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 7:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Might as well explain why they were at JSF's expense while I'm at it here since it will only be inevitable that he chimes in as well and I end up getting double teamed by two people who usually don't get along with each other very well.

The "zingers" toward JSF, at least on my side and I'm not speaking for Brenda, were initiated because I was replying to his obviously right wing ideologies and pre-programmed predispositions he holds on climate change and his absolute close-mindedness on the issue because of his staunch and unwavering partisanship to the GOP.

What we seem to have uncovered here is an equal and opposite ideological stance and close-mindedness on this issue on your end as well.

Curious, since I don't consider you to be an ideologue for the Lefties. The ones that frequent these boards seem not to believe that either. That's for sure.

It's likely more to do with you having to question that high priced education that you received, and what that might do to your "bubble" if you found out some things you have long held as absolutes were absolutely-nots.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Why on Earth would reasonable folk conjure that 6ix is acting the Libtard? Is it because of his self-confessed Liberal bias on Science, or Ecology, or Climate Change, or Archaeology, or Global Warming, or Astrothermaldynamics, or Fake Math?
Or, OTOH, is it because of his paranoid delusions about reasonable and logical discussions secretly being code-phrases for "obvious" tangential condemnations about algore's invention of Global Warming, and "clear" chastising of Climate Change, even when nobody else can see the same delusion that you see So Clearly.

I saw no mention made of Climate Change, by either myself or Kiki. Only injected by you.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 10:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Why on Earth would reasonable folk conjure that 6ix is acting the Libtard? Is it because of his self-confessed Liberal bias on Science, or Ecology, or Climate Change, or Archaeology, or Global Warming, or Astrothermaldynamics, or Fake Math?
Or, OTOH, is it because of his paranoid delusions about reasonable and logical discussions secretly being code-phrases for "obvious" tangential condemnations about algore's invention of Global Warming, and "clear" chastising of Climate Change, even when nobody else can see the same delusion that you see So Clearly.



I never said I believe the climate change narrative. If you read my posts to Kiki I don't trust anything that comes out of acedemia today relating to the issue because it's so politically charged and they're Liberal strongholds in the nation today.

I'm extremely suspicious of anybody from either side who is 100% confident that they're right because of their ideology.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I don't believe that this is the end of the world as we know it, but I think it's foolish to believe that we don't effect our environment just because Limbaugh and Hannity told you so.

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Monday, August 13, 2018 10:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"I don't trust anything that comes out of acedemia today relating to the issue because it's so politically charged and they're Liberal strongholds in the nation today."

Then it's an international conspiracy that for decades has involved the Chinese, the Russians, and the Iranians, too.

If the Whigs said gravity existed and the Tories said it didn't, would you stop accepting the reality of gravity because you thought it was politicized? Or would you say the answer was somewhere in the middle? Sometimes Jack, the truth is the truth, no matter which side holds it.

Personally, I don't know how this is going to play out. If we're lucky, we're on an even slope where smaller causes have smaller effects, and larger causes have larger effects - but we can gauge the effects by the inputs.

If we're not lucky, we're stepping across thresholds where, due to positive feedback loops, outcomes become incalculable and things will go badly, quickly, in unpredictable ways at unforeseen times.

Either way, we've already measurably changed the CO2 levels to those not seen for nearly a million years, changed the temperature of every ocean, and its acidity, and melted glaciers in a couple of decades that have lasted for tens of millennia. At the very least.






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Monday, August 13, 2018 11:12 PM

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They should probably take the politics out of College then. They could think of it as saving the world.

The lack of objectivity everywhere you turn due to politics is reaching a critical mass today.

If they're right about the climate change and we are indeed making the planet uninhabitable, that lack of objectivity that the College Elite decided to display when they went full Leftist could actually be squarely to blame for the end of the world as we know it.





I'd prefer we start a separate topic about this if we're just going to keep arguing the same points over and over. It doesn't belong in this thread any more than T's posts do.


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Monday, August 13, 2018 11:53 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm with you there, Jack!

Anyway, I'm going to start making some ham and bean soup with some pork hocks I got today. It'll probably be a while -days - before I get back. In the meantime, take care. ttul




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Tuesday, August 14, 2018 5:05 PM

BRENDA


I am so angry right now I could chew nails.

Run in with my idiot landlady again. I was just informed that I have to either put my recyclables in the blue bin one at a time or bag them and walk down the hill to the recycling depot.

I could just SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B7tch is also doing her laundry which means that I can't use my toilet until she is finished because I loose water pressure in my toilet when they do. She obviously waited until I got in DELIBERATELY to do this.

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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:49 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm with you there, Jack!

Anyway, I'm going to start making some ham and bean soup with some pork hocks I got today. It'll probably be a while -days - before I get back. In the meantime, take care. ttul




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Glad we agree. :)

You take care too.

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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 7:54 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I am so angry right now I could chew nails.

Run in with my idiot landlady again. I was just informed that I have to either put my recyclables in the blue bin one at a time or bag them and walk down the hill to the recycling depot.

I could just SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B7tch is also doing her laundry which means that I can't use my toilet until she is finished because I loose water pressure in my toilet when they do. She obviously waited until I got in DELIBERATELY to do this.




I really can't wait to hear the day that you're able to get out of there Brenda. Hang in there. :)




My replies may be somewhat sporadic for the foreseeable future.

I started having what appears to be a serious computer problem when it overheated last week. It's happened before and just shut down with no ill effects, but this time it seems there might be something serious going on. It randomly freezes and needs a hard reset.

At this point I've eliminated the possibility that it's one of my memory sticks, my GPU or my sound card. Also did a fresh Win10 OS install and that's not the culprit either.

I'm looking at the possibility that it's new Win10 drivers causing it and it's just a coincidence, or something more nefarious like a Mobo or CPU problem. If either of those are the case then I'm kinda screwed since this is a 5 year old build and I'd have to buy all new memory since DDR3 isn't used anymore these days... and because of a recent "memory shortage", they're not cheap these days.


Going to tinker with it the next few weeks before I make a decision about what I'm going to do. Wish me luck. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:45 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
I am so angry right now I could chew nails.

Run in with my idiot landlady again. I was just informed that I have to either put my recyclables in the blue bin one at a time or bag them and walk down the hill to the recycling depot.

I could just SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B7tch is also doing her laundry which means that I can't use my toilet until she is finished because I loose water pressure in my toilet when they do. She obviously waited until I got in DELIBERATELY to do this.




I really can't wait to hear the day that you're able to get out of there Brenda. Hang in there. :)




My replies may be somewhat sporadic for the foreseeable future.

I started having what appears to be a serious computer problem when it overheated last week. It's happened before and just shut down with no ill effects, but this time it seems there might be something serious going on. It randomly freezes and needs a hard reset.

At this point I've eliminated the possibility that it's one of my memory sticks, my GPU or my sound card. Also did a fresh Win10 OS install and that's not the culprit either.

I'm looking at the possibility that it's new Win10 drivers causing it and it's just a coincidence, or something more nefarious like a Mobo or CPU problem. If either of those are the case then I'm kinda screwed since this is a 5 year old build and I'd have to buy all new memory since DDR3 isn't used anymore these days... and because of a recent "memory shortage", they're not cheap these days.


Going to tinker with it the next few weeks before I make a decision about what I'm going to do. Wish me luck. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)



Me too Jack. I am hanging. It is all I can do.

Oh wow! I hope you can get your comp problems straightened out. I hate when things like that happen. This critter is one of my main lines to the outside world.

Good luck. I am heading out in a bit.

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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX, make sure that your fans are working, the mesh screens are clean, and use compressed air to blow the dust out of the heat sinks. Heat is the #1 PC/laptop/tablet killer, and dust is the #1 cause of heat buildup.

Also don't know if you have a desktop or laptop, but in hot weather a laptop really needs to breathe, so putting it on a soft surface can smother the air inlets. If all else fails, get a small portable fan and blow it on your computer (once its been cleaned).

Best of luck!


***
ARGHH! Oh BRENDA, I feel for you! But I hear that the Vancouver housing market is finally deflating. Maybe prices will come down and vacancies at better rents will open up. Fingers crossed!


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Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:28 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, make sure that your fans are working, the mesh screens are clean, and use compressed air to blow the dust out of the heat sinks. Heat is the #1 PC/laptop/tablet killer, and dust is the #1 cause of heat buildup.

Also don't know if you have a desktop or laptop, but in hot weather a laptop really needs to breathe, so putting it on a soft surface can smother the air inlets. If all else fails, get a small portable fan and blow it on your computer (once its been cleaned).

Best of luck!


***
ARGHH! Oh BRENDA, I feel for you! But I hear that the Vancouver housing market is finally deflating. Maybe prices will come down and vacancies at better rents will open up. Fingers crossed!


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Thanks Sig and I hope so. Having to rearrange how I do that will be a killer in the colder months. More cane usage for sure.

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Thursday, August 16, 2018 8:03 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Yeah. I've never been one to take very good care of my PC's. Couple that with the fact that I use mine in the only room that I smoke in the entire house and the 2nd hand smoke is a killer.

That really isn't an issue since by the time they're ready to go it's usually time to upgrade it anyhow. I was actually surprised to see that it had been almost 5 years ago that I had done an upgrade this time. I went a pretty cheap route though, and I only bought a new mobo, memory and CPU at the time. I kept using an old graphics card, power supply and an old networking card, all three of which caused me major problems at some point, needed to be replaced and likely shortened the life of this thing.

This time I'm going to upgrade everything but the case, since my case is amazing (It should be, it cost me almost $300 back when I was making a good buck). Fortunately it seems that most decent mobo's today come with wifi, so I won't have to worry about a dongle, and I could actually spring a little more for a GPU onboard as well and not worry about the cost of another card or the card shorting out at some point. I don't really enjoy PC gaming all that much, so it's not like I need a high end unit or anything. Just something that doesn't work at a snails pace like this ancient laptop I'm using to type this.


I'm currently installing Windows 7 on an alternate drive and we'll see how that goes. My last ditch effort is going to be trying to install Linux and seeing if there are still failures.

I'm pretty knowledgeable about this kind of stuff compared to most people, but diagnosing hardware issues was never my thing. I used to just buy all the parts and put another one together when I had a catastrophic failure. Money is a bit tight at the moment though, so this might be my opportunity to learn. Assuming it's hardware related, if I can figure out a way to pinpoint the exact component that is causing my issues it would be a super cheap fix compared to putting together a whole new rig. I bought a good setup 5 years ago and for my needs it still works just fine as long as it's not crashing.

We'll see what happens....

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 16, 2018 11:05 PM

BRENDA


Well, it seems that I messed up the screen or page that I watch the majority of YouTube videos on after I click on one of them. I don't know what I did but I guess I must have done it last night and just never noticed it until today.

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Friday, August 17, 2018 8:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Well, it seems that I messed up the screen or page that I watch the majority of YouTube videos on after I click on one of them. I don't know what I did but I guess I must have done it last night and just never noticed it until today.



Could you explain what you mean a little more? Maybe I could help you.





Good news and bad news on the PC front.

The bad news first.... Installing Windows 7 didn't help since it still freezes and crashes randomly. Drat. I'm assuming that Linux won't help that issue either since I never had any problems on this PC with Win7 before, but I'm going to figure out how to make a bootable flash drive and see if that helps at all.



Cooling was the MAJOR issue here. I'm actually surprised this thing didn't crash all the time given how hot the room it is in gets during the summer. I downloaded a hardware monitor program that will tell me all sorts of cool stuff about the various temps of different parts of the PC. It seems that I was regularly running super hot at well above 60 degrees Celsius for the CPU, which I just read was way above what you want it to be at. Everything inside my computer is SUPER dirty and really needs to be cleaned. I'm sure the heatsink itself is all but useless at this point.

Right now, I've got the case open and a house fan blowing right into it. I've down-clocked everything in the BIOS to run way below normal specs. This makes it load the system far slower than it used to, but once everything is loaded up it seems to be fine for a lot longer. Youtube videos run without crashing, but the PC still fails enough to not be usable right now. It's only running at around 45 degrees right now, but it will still fail. Instead of locking up like it did in Win10 though, it will just reboot for the most part.

Chances are there was some irreversible damage done to one of the mobo parts or the CPU itself. I'm not going to say the GPU isn't fried too, but putting an old one in didn't fix the issue, so it's not likely.

I'm going to take everything out and get the "gunk" out of the system and try Linux and see if this thing can be saved for at least another half year or so. I'm thinking once it cools off outside it will probably be okay until at least late spring. By then I should have enough saved up to buy a really nice rig without feeling guilty about spending the cash. It'll be nice to have my first SSD and see the OS boot up almost immediately. :)



EDIT: Oh wow!!!!!

I had started writing that before the last crash and just finished it up. Since then I did take out the heatsink and clean it really good and took out the CPU, re-seated it and put everything back.


I'm running at around 14 degrees Celsius now!!!!

That almost doesn't seem possible compared to how hot it was running before. I wonder if that's accurate?

Maybe I'm in luck and all she needed was a little TLC.

Finger's crossed. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 17, 2018 9:16 AM

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Dammit.... still crashed in Win7.

That could be an OS thing at this point though. Win10 is a hell of a lot more stable and able to withstand bad shutdowns a lot better than Win7 was. (For instance, I had to run a forced chkdsk on my Win7 setup this morning after a bad shutdown yesterday... It's been so long since I had to do one of those that it hadn't occurred to me until now that Win10 doesn't ever make you do that. Different FAT system and all...)

Running Win10 for about 15 minutes now and I'm bouncing between 20 degrees and 38 degrees. Well within the happy zone.

Been running some youtube content and haven't had any problems yet....

Why do I say such foolish things??????

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Friday, August 17, 2018 10:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX: Let's hope you didn't bring bad luck down on yourself by posting positive!


I hope you used silver heat sink compound to put that (those) heat sink(s) back on; it really does help with the heat transfer. Also, yes, those temp monitoring apps ... aren't they handy???

*****

Here on this homefront ... we have one of those fancy tankless/demand water heaters which is nice because it really DOES supply "endless hot water". (And then we restrict our showers to save on water, go figure!)

However, it developed a habit of shutting itself down, especially when we turn on the shower in the bathroom. The only thing that would make having to get re-dressed just to trot outside and push the "power" button back on more annoying would be if I had to do that in sub-zero weather! As long as it was a once-a-month event that was OK but it started turning into an everyday problem. so I thought I'd better fix it.

My first thought was the the upstream and/or downstream filters were clogged, causing a "flow" fault, so I bought replacements and changed the filters. The filters WERE dirty, but that didn't solve the problem: It faulted the very next time I tried to use the shower!

So I called the company which makes them, and was very pleasantly surprised to find that
1) They were still in existence
2) They provide support for old units like ours, and
3) They were willing to take me though a VERY detailed over-the-phone troubleshooting procedure, instructing me how to access and read off the error codes. In their view, the problem seemed to be some sort of "communication" problem to the controller, and the fault might be in the external keypad. Since the unit is designed to run without the keypad in "default" mode, they suggested that I simply disconnect the keypad from the unit and see if it solves the problem.

So far, problem solved!

If it continues to work for the next three or four days, the problem is definitively in the keypad, and we'll either replace it or just run without. However, if the problem rears its ugly head again, then they're willing to take me though an even more extensive troubleshooting procedure ... this time with me using a multimeter ... or send a tech if I need one.

I'm so happy that I found a company with true knowledgeable tech support!! Usually they just hand a script to some person with little knowledge of how things work, and instruct them to get the "customer" off the phone as soon as possible (problem solved or not) to boost their numbers.

The only downside to the whole thing is that our mosquito problem is back and bad as ever, particularly in that back corner. I ran out there without repellent on because I thought I'd just read off the serial number and they'd shuffle me off the phone, but I soon had about a dozen Asian tiger mosquitoes hovering around my legs and biting .... I literally had to go back inside and put repellent on partway thru the troubleshooting because they were unbearable; and now I have a half-dozen new EXTREMELY itchy bites.

So the next thing I did was contact Vector Control. AGAIN. They did something a month ago and fixed the problem, so maybe they can do the same thing again.

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Friday, August 17, 2018 1:22 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Well, it seems that I messed up the screen or page that I watch the majority of YouTube videos on after I click on one of them. I don't know what I did but I guess I must have done it last night and just never noticed it until today.



Could you explain what you mean a little more? Maybe I could help you.





Good news and bad news on the PC front.

The bad news first.... Installing Windows 7 didn't help since it still freezes and crashes randomly. Drat. I'm assuming that Linux won't help that issue either since I never had any problems on this PC with Win7 before, but I'm going to figure out how to make a bootable flash drive and see if that helps at all.



Cooling was the MAJOR issue here. I'm actually surprised this thing didn't crash all the time given how hot the room it is in gets during the summer. I downloaded a hardware monitor program that will tell me all sorts of cool stuff about the various temps of different parts of the PC. It seems that I was regularly running super hot at well above 60 degrees Celsius for the CPU, which I just read was way above what you want it to be at. Everything inside my computer is SUPER dirty and really needs to be cleaned. I'm sure the heatsink itself is all but useless at this point.

Right now, I've got the case open and a house fan blowing right into it. I've down-clocked everything in the BIOS to run way below normal specs. This makes it load the system far slower than it used to, but once everything is loaded up it seems to be fine for a lot longer. Youtube videos run without crashing, but the PC still fails enough to not be usable right now. It's only running at around 45 degrees right now, but it will still fail. Instead of locking up like it did in Win10 though, it will just reboot for the most part.

Chances are there was some irreversible damage done to one of the mobo parts or the CPU itself. I'm not going to say the GPU isn't fried too, but putting an old one in didn't fix the issue, so it's not likely.

I'm going to take everything out and get the "gunk" out of the system and try Linux and see if this thing can be saved for at least another half year or so. I'm thinking once it cools off outside it will probably be okay until at least late spring. By then I should have enough saved up to buy a really nice rig without feeling guilty about spending the cash. It'll be nice to have my first SSD and see the OS boot up almost immediately. :)



EDIT: Oh wow!!!!!

I had started writing that before the last crash and just finished it up. Since then I did take out the heatsink and clean it really good and took out the CPU, re-seated it and put everything back.


I'm running at around 14 degrees Celsius now!!!!

That almost doesn't seem possible compared to how hot it was running before. I wonder if that's accurate?

Maybe I'm in luck and all she needed was a little TLC.

Finger's crossed. :)

Do Right, Be Right. :)



I had the main video I would be watching overlapping onto the others that come up with it. You should you wish to watch any of those. That's the rest of it.

As it was I left that page I was watching and YouTube in general and went to another site and came back later and everything had was back the way it was the day before. So I think I just have to be more careful.

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Friday, August 17, 2018 5:00 PM

BRENDA


My landlady is truly an idiot. Ran into her walking up the hill as I was going down to run some errands.

She couldn't fire out the haze in the sky or where the smoke was coming from. I had to explain each of these to her.

ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:25 AM

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I didn't put any new thermal paste on it because I don't have any at the moment.

All that I did yesterday didn't solve the problem. :(

After doing some reading I tried messing with voltage regulation settings on the mobo to no avail. I wasn't really holding out hope on that since I've never done it before.

I also altered "Startup" conditions in Win and the BIOS to turn off any quick booting, but that didn't work either.



Further reading is leading me to believe that this may very well be a power issue. I think that the outlet in the room I use the computer is wonky. I've already burned through 2 PSU's since I've lived here. Granted, they were both about 10 years old, so I didn't put much thought into it.

I tried using another very old surge protector, but almost immediately froze again. Then, dangerously, I plugged it directly into the wall and it actually worked for about a half hour of heavy load before failing again.



I think I'm going to do some research and order a new cost effective PSU with high ratings as well as a new surge protector. I have a heavy duty extension 50 foot cable that I use for big power tools as well, and I'm going to try that from an outlet that I've never had any issues when I get the parts.

I'm also going to get the thermal paste, a can of air spray and really clean this thing out good as well. It's probably a good thing this all happened because it was running super hot and would have broke eventually anyhow.

There may still be a chance that the PC is fine if I replace these lower-cost parts, and if I find out that it's still bad they'll all be things I'd need to buy with a new PC anyhow and if I buy the right PSU it should be compatable with a newer mobo if I have to buy a new one.

Once again.... fingers crossed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, August 18, 2018 10:34 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

There may still be a chance that the PC is fine if I replace these lower-cost parts, and if I find out that it's still bad they'll all be things I'd need to buy with a new PC anyhow and if I buy the right PSU it should be compatable with a newer mobo if I have to buy a new one.

Once again.... fingers crossed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Exactly this situation with electronics, for a company, not an individual, was covered in the comics:

Repair or Replace

Just make sure all your friends and family are out of the car, or that you've made backup friends and family at home.
https://xkcd.com/2033/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:37 PM

BRENDA


Out to do my laundry in a bit.

Then when I get back spiders to try and vacuum up.

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Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:40 PM

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I wish hubby could take a look at if for you. But heat ... yeah, now that it's summer if your 'puter has an air circ problem it will definitely show up now!

The first thing hubby would do is look at how your PC was physically put together. Dust is the most common cause of heat buildup, but "bad build" is the #1 root problem. When we put PCs together (dear daughter and I do the assembly, he supervises!) he is EXTREMELY careful to pick cases that breathe, breathe, breathe; total air exchange once per second. So typically, there are at least five fans in each case. He is also EXTREMELY careful how to route all of that internal wiring... ties the wires together well up and out of the way so that internal airflow is not impeded. Not only must the CPU be well-ventilated, but also the northbridge, southbridge, and hard drives."Hot spots" can get up to 200-300 F.

We had two Dells in the lab that "came with" instruments (instrument manufacturer's choice) and when I told him about them he just kind of rolled his eyes and commented that they would probably die in a year because Dell at the time was stuffing everything into teeny-tiny cases, with the hard drive in a corner somewhere with no air circulation. Sure enough, within a year one failed, and the other failed one month later (hard drive failures).

You really need that paste.

Oh, also 14C is not realistic.

EDITED TO ADD Hubby says don't rely on the internal thermometer. They're highly non-linear. Also, what temp was that? The CPU core temp? Or the CPU die temp? 14C is a ridiculous reading, you might get that right after startup but if that's what you're reading when you're running forget it: Your thermosensor is dead. Use your "digital thermometer" (your finger). Touch the heat sink near its base ... if it's uncomfortably hot to leave you finger on, it's too hot.

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