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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:13 AM
SECOND
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Tuesday, October 17, 2023 6:24 AM
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Tuesday, October 17, 2023 1:36 PM
Wednesday, October 18, 2023 9:25 AM
Wednesday, October 18, 2023 11:59 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Any significant changes are NOT likely to take place on the battlefield, with ‘Putin banking almost everything on a Trump return’, analysts say The Ukraine war may remain a “stalemate” throughout 2024, military experts have told The Independent, as hopes fade for a major breakthrough in this year’s counteroffensive against Russia. Delays in Western military aid handed Moscow time to build heavily fortified defences which have largely held up against months of intense assaults – and constraints in ammunition and weaponry now mean both armies may struggle to sustain the current pace of the war, some analysts believe. With the prospect of a Middle East conflict likely to further stretch Washington – Ukraine’s largest backer – ahead of a US presidential election in November 2024, Vladimir Putin’s strategy may now be to preserve the current state of the front line and “wait it out”, Western experts say. With just weeks likely left before seasonal weather changes dampen offensive efforts in Ukraine, Dr Patrick Bury of the University of Bath said: “There hasn’t been a breakthrough, there’s been tactical gains, low-level operational gains – but not strategic.” “What this summer has shown is that [Ukraine] can fight at company level [of around 100 soldiers] but when you go the next level up to the battalion, they just don’t really have the coordinated experience to fight with all the moving parts”, said Dr Bury, a former Nato analyst and British Army captain. While the US is due to start providing F-16 fighter jets next year, the sophistication of the Russian air force means Ukraine will still struggle to achieve air superiority, “and you need air superiority really to be able to free up the chance of large-scale manoeuvre”, he added. Therefore “unless there’s significant widespread packages of training, new weapons and equipment”, Dr Bury said, “it’s looking like 2024 is a bit of a stalemate” – with any significant shifts instead likely to take place off the battlefield. Agreeing that “we’re [already] seeing a stalemate now”, Dr Frank Ledwidge – a former military intelligence officer, now at the University of Portsmouth – questioned “whether any tactics would have worked against defenders who [Ukraine] didn’t outnumber three to one”. “In the most basic military algorithms, you need an attack ratio of three [troops] to one, and the Ukrainians don’t have anything like that,” he said. “So barring any significant change in that force ratio there’s no reason really now to assume that future operations will be any different.” Warning that there are “no game changers”, including F-16s, Dr Ledwidge likened the situation to the Western Front in 1917, adding: “Breakthroughs were made eventually in the First World War, but only when the Americans came in with two million soldiers.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-trump-ukraine-war-map-b2431533.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:12 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Any significant changes are NOT likely to take place on the battlefield, with ‘Putin banking almost everything on a Trump return’, analysts say The Ukraine war may remain a “stalemate” throughout 2024, military experts have told The Independent, as hopes fade for a major breakthrough in this year’s counteroffensive against Russia. Delays in Western military aid handed Moscow time to build heavily fortified defences which have largely held up against months of intense assaults – and constraints in ammunition and weaponry now mean both armies may struggle to sustain the current pace of the war, some analysts believe. With the prospect of a Middle East conflict likely to further stretch Washington – Ukraine’s largest backer – ahead of a US presidential election in November 2024, Vladimir Putin’s strategy may now be to preserve the current state of the front line and “wait it out”, Western experts say. With just weeks likely left before seasonal weather changes dampen offensive efforts in Ukraine, Dr Patrick Bury of the University of Bath said: “There hasn’t been a breakthrough, there’s been tactical gains, low-level operational gains – but not strategic.” “What this summer has shown is that [Ukraine] can fight at company level [of around 100 soldiers] but when you go the next level up to the battalion, they just don’t really have the coordinated experience to fight with all the moving parts”, said Dr Bury, a former Nato analyst and British Army captain. While the US is due to start providing F-16 fighter jets next year, the sophistication of the Russian air force means Ukraine will still struggle to achieve air superiority, “and you need air superiority really to be able to free up the chance of large-scale manoeuvre”, he added. Therefore “unless there’s significant widespread packages of training, new weapons and equipment”, Dr Bury said, “it’s looking like 2024 is a bit of a stalemate” – with any significant shifts instead likely to take place off the battlefield. Agreeing that “we’re [already] seeing a stalemate now”, Dr Frank Ledwidge – a former military intelligence officer, now at the University of Portsmouth – questioned “whether any tactics would have worked against defenders who [Ukraine] didn’t outnumber three to one”. “In the most basic military algorithms, you need an attack ratio of three [troops] to one, and the Ukrainians don’t have anything like that,” he said. “So barring any significant change in that force ratio there’s no reason really now to assume that future operations will be any different.” Warning that there are “no game changers”, including F-16s, Dr Ledwidge likened the situation to the Western Front in 1917, adding: “Breakthroughs were made eventually in the First World War, but only when the Americans came in with two million soldiers.” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-trump-ukraine-war-map-b2431533.html The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly I've been largely ignoring Second's posts on this topic as of late, but I did want to point out that he's now making posts quoting people who are advocating sending in 2 Million US soldiers to fight the war for Ukraine. Not a great plan, sending in 2 Million of our battle-aged men when we've let in far more battle-aged men among the illegal invaders that have crossed the border under Joe Biden*'s watch. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Pax Americana isn’t declining. It never existed. American power was at its peak in the '50s and '60s, when the US accounted for nearly half the world's economy and the Cold War made us the world's uncontested military leader as well. But did that scare off the Soviet Union? It did not. They seized control of Eastern Europe after World War II. They blockaded Berlin. They invaded Hungary in the '50s and Czechoslovakia in the '60s. They fought proxy wars against the US in Korea, Vietnam, Congo, and Nicaragua. As bad as Vladimir Putin is, his record of military intervention pales in comparison to the Cold War USSR. Hamas's attack on Israel, needless to say, is also nothing new. Israel has literally been at war since its founding, and terrorist groups have never been intimidated by American power. https://jabberwocking.com/pax-americana-isnt-declining-it-never-existed/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, October 18, 2023 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by second: Pax Americana isn’t declining. It never existed. American power was at its peak in the '50s and '60s, when the US accounted for nearly half the world's economy and the Cold War made us the world's uncontested military leader as well. But did that scare off the Soviet Union? It did not. They seized control of Eastern Europe after World War II. They blockaded Berlin. They invaded Hungary in the '50s and Czechoslovakia in the '60s. They fought proxy wars against the US in Korea, Vietnam, Congo, and Nicaragua. As bad as Vladimir Putin is, his record of military intervention pales in comparison to the Cold War USSR. Hamas's attack on Israel, needless to say, is also nothing new. Israel has literally been at war since its founding, and terrorist groups have never been intimidated by American power. https://jabberwocking.com/pax-americana-isnt-declining-it-never-existed/ The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly TRANSLATION: We're not really losing bc we never really "won". Don't let THUGR see this post!
Thursday, October 19, 2023 3:51 AM
Thursday, October 19, 2023 4:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I've been largely ignoring Second's posts on this topic as of late, but I did want to point out that he's now making posts quoting people who are advocating sending in 2 Million US soldiers to fight the war for Ukraine. Not a great plan, sending in 2 Million of our battle-aged men when we've let in far more battle-aged men among the illegal invaders that have crossed the border under Joe Biden*'s watch.
Thursday, October 19, 2023 3:52 PM
Thursday, October 19, 2023 3:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: I've been largely ignoring Second's posts on this topic as of late, but I did want to point out that he's now making posts quoting people who are advocating sending in 2 Million US soldiers to fight the war for Ukraine. Not a great plan, sending in 2 Million of our battle-aged men when we've let in far more battle-aged men among the illegal invaders that have crossed the border under Joe Biden*'s watch.How was WWI won? https://www.google.com/search?q=How+was+WWI+won The conclusion was that tactics ever so slowly learned by the French over several years of suffering were the key. But France needed American manpower and artillery shells to turn the key. The US Army in France, initially, recapitulated every mistake the French had made and had a horrendous number of deaths, but the Americans didn't continue to do the wrong-headed ideas as long as the French had. Riflemen running directly toward German machine gun fire was probably the stupidest tactic ever devised by man. It gets even worse when the Generals decide that attacking Germany's strongest positions with fixed bayonets is noble while attacking the weakest German positions is cowardly. At first, American Generals made the same mistakes as the French had, until the French grew wiser, partially because the dumbest were dead. The Americans got wiser ten times faster than the French and did not require millions of deaths to learn simple ideas. The French told the Americans what the French had done wrong and the Americans eventually understood after only tens of thousands of Americans died rather than more than a million in the case of France. Russia had the most deaths because it was the stupidest country fighting WWI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties A higher death toll happened to Russians in WWII because they got dumber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Thursday, October 19, 2023 6:44 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Amazing how quickly this can be memory-hoked. But, yep- Russia is still winning. I'll let you know when Ukraine collapses.
Thursday, October 19, 2023 10:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Amazing how quickly this can be memory-hoked. But, yep- Russia is still winning. I'll let you know when Ukraine collapses. THUGR: Quote: Israeli Official Issues Warning to Putin on Russian State TV An Israeli politician issued a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the ongoing wars in Israel and Ukraine. Amir Weitmann, the head of the libertarian caucus
Quote: Israeli Official Issues Warning to Putin on Russian State TV An Israeli politician issued a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the ongoing wars in Israel and Ukraine. Amir Weitmann, the head of the libertarian caucus
Quote: Quote: in Israel's Likud Party, appeared on Russia's state-run RT News network this week and spoke about fighting between Israel and Hamas militants, as well as Russia's war with Ukraine. While speaking about recent claims relating to al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Weitmann criticized Russia, saying that "we're gonna finish this war, we're going to win because we're stronger. After this, Russia will pay the price, believe me, Russia will pay the price." "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel. Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us and Russia will pay the price," Weitmann said. "We're gonna win this war. Afterwards, we're not forgetting what you're doing, we're not forgetting, we will come, we will make sure Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done, you as Russia." Yep...
Quote: in Israel's Likud Party, appeared on Russia's state-run RT News network this week and spoke about fighting between Israel and Hamas militants, as well as Russia's war with Ukraine. While speaking about recent claims relating to al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Weitmann criticized Russia, saying that "we're gonna finish this war, we're going to win because we're stronger. After this, Russia will pay the price, believe me, Russia will pay the price." "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel. Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us and Russia will pay the price," Weitmann said. "We're gonna win this war. Afterwards, we're not forgetting what you're doing, we're not forgetting, we will come, we will make sure Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done, you as Russia."
Thursday, October 19, 2023 11:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Amazing how quickly this can be memory-hoked. But, yep- Russia is still winning. I'll let you know when Ukraine collapses. Israeli Official Issues Warning to Putin on Russian State TV An Israeli politician issued a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the ongoing wars in Israel and Ukraine. Amir Weitmann, the head of the libertarian caucus in Israel's Likud Party, appeared on Russia's state-run RT News network this week and spoke about fighting between Israel and Hamas militants, as well as Russia's war with Ukraine. While speaking about recent claims relating to al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Weitmann criticized Russia, saying that "we're gonna finish this war, we're going to win because we're stronger. After this, Russia will pay the price, believe me, Russia will pay the price." "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel. Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us and Russia will pay the price," Weitmann said. "We're gonna win this war. Afterwards, we're not forgetting what you're doing, we're not forgetting, we will come, we will make sure Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done, you as Russia." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israeli-official-issues-warning-to-putin-on-russian-state-tv/ar-AA1iwENX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=7d47470521ea49698b0a8bd6e1fdaf5e&ei=19
Quote:Hundreds of Pro-Palestinian protesters converged on the US Capitol complex Wednesday, demanding a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. Capitol Police, which tightened security in advance of the protests said an unspecified amount of demonstrators were arrested, including at least three on charges of assaulting a police officer. Emotions were tense as the largely progressive crowd felt betrayed by President Biden and other leading Democrats for backing Israel’s bid to eliminate the terrorist threat in the Gaza Strip. “I think the White House and everyone thinks we’re just gonna sit back and let this just continue to happen. No!” Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) declared to a sea of activists outside the Cannon House Office Building.
Quote:On Sunday, U.S. President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan all announced that the United States expects Israel to permit "humanitarian aid" into Gaza. The implications of this position are devastating for Israel. According to reports, there are "hundreds of trucks" lined up on the border in Egypt, poised to enter the Gaza Strip carrying so-called "humanitarian aid." These trucks, if permitted to enter, will not be inspected in any significant way. There is no reason to believe they are carrying baby formula and foodstuffs that will be delivered to the needy. There is every reason to believe they are carrying war materiel and jihadist fighters who have arrived to augment Hamas. To the extent that there is food in the trucks, who will it feed? The hostages? The infirm? Who will the medicine be delivered to? The hostages? Will the fuel in the trucks be used in refrigerators to feed the captive Israelis? Of course not. Hamas is Gaza. All the "ministries" in Gaza are Hamas. All hospitals are Hamas. Hamas's military headquarters is located under Shifa Hospital. So whatever and whoever is in the trucks carrying "humanitarian aid," all of it will be delivered to Hamas and will be distributed to benefit Hamas. The idea that it could be otherwise is absurd. And the fact that the Biden administration is arguing this absurdity is an outrage.
Saturday, October 21, 2023 6:23 AM
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Saturday, October 21, 2023 11:28 AM
Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: What do you care? Your Democrat Party uses the Stalin playbook as their Bible. -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Saturday, October 21, 2023 1:18 PM
Saturday, October 21, 2023 2:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: We're still going to pretend that nobody who votes Democrat smokes, drinks, eats themselves obese, partakes in illegal drugs or commits suicide, huh? Delusional. Also, heard that bullshit lie out of you a thousand times already. *yawn* Get fucked, idiot.
Saturday, October 21, 2023 5:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: We're still going to pretend that nobody who votes Democrat smokes, drinks, eats themselves obese, partakes in illegal drugs or commits suicide, huh? Delusional. Also, heard that bullshit lie out of you a thousand times already. *yawn* Get fucked, idiot.This will be kind of subtle for you, but I know black people
Saturday, October 21, 2023 5:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Amazing how quickly this can be memory-hoked. But, yep- Russia is still winning. I'll let you know when Ukraine collapses. THUGR: Quote: Israeli Official Issues Warning to Putin on Russian State TV An Israeli politician issued a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the ongoing wars in Israel and Ukraine. Amir Weitmann, the head of the libertarian caucus A military expert, I'm sure. Quote: Quote: in Israel's Likud Party, appeared on Russia's state-run RT News network this week and spoke about fighting between Israel and Hamas militants, as well as Russia's war with Ukraine. While speaking about recent claims relating to al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Weitmann criticized Russia, saying that "we're gonna finish this war, we're going to win because we're stronger. After this, Russia will pay the price, believe me, Russia will pay the price." "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel. Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us and Russia will pay the price," Weitmann said. "We're gonna win this war. Afterwards, we're not forgetting what you're doing, we're not forgetting, we will come, we will make sure Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done, you as Russia." Yep... Son, do you really think that Israel can beat Russia?
Saturday, October 21, 2023 8:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Amazing how quickly this can be memory-hoked. But, yep- Russia is still winning. I'll let you know when Ukraine collapses. THUGR: Quote: Israeli Official Issues Warning to Putin on Russian State TV An Israeli politician issued a warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin amid the ongoing wars in Israel and Ukraine. Amir Weitmann, the head of the libertarian caucus A military expert, I'm sure. Quote: Quote: in Israel's Likud Party, appeared on Russia's state-run RT News network this week and spoke about fighting between Israel and Hamas militants, as well as Russia's war with Ukraine. While speaking about recent claims relating to al-Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Weitmann criticized Russia, saying that "we're gonna finish this war, we're going to win because we're stronger. After this, Russia will pay the price, believe me, Russia will pay the price." "Russia is supporting the enemies of Israel. Russia is supporting Nazi people who want to commit genocide on us and Russia will pay the price," Weitmann said. "We're gonna win this war. Afterwards, we're not forgetting what you're doing, we're not forgetting, we will come, we will make sure Ukraine wins. We will make sure that you pay the price for what you have done, you as Russia." Yep... Son, do you really think that Israel can beat Russia? Where's the Su-57? The war in Ukraine is what fifth-generation fighter jets were made for, but Russia's Felon has largely been missing in action Russian state media has touted the Su-57 fighter jet as a formidable, fifth-generation aircraft. It's the type of jet that would theoretically thrive in the Ukraine war, but it's been mostly absent. Aviation experts and Western intel say Russia may not want to risk any reputational damage. Russia's air force has yet to break through Ukraine's formidable air defenses and achieve air superiority, which is somewhat surprising given that the Russians supposedly have something the Ukrainians do not — a fifth-generation fighter jet. The high-threat environment in Ukraine, where pilots in older aircraft are having to fly low to the ground to skirt enemy radars for fear of being shot out of the sky by a surface-to-air missile, is exactly what fifth-generation stealth fighters were made for. So where has Russia's much-touted Su-57 been all this time? The Su-57 — known by NATO as 'Felon' — has largely been missing in action beyond possibly firing missiles from Russian territory last year. Western intelligence and aviation experts say Russia's reluctance to employ the aircraft in combat suggests Moscow may not be confident in the jet's purported stealth capabilities and technology and likely wants to avoid any potential reputational damage that could come from losing one of these aircraft to Kyiv's surface-to-air missile systems. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/where-s-the-su-57-the-war-in-ukraine-is-what-fifth-generation-fighter-jets-were-made-for-but-russia-s-felon-has-largely-been-missing-in-action/ar-AA1iBKRU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=EDGEXST&cvid=907b3384e5b24454b95c53bb4e842c02&ei=26
Saturday, October 21, 2023 9:58 PM
Saturday, October 21, 2023 10:01 PM
Quote:The number of major F-35 flaws is shrinking, but the Pentagon is keeping details of the problems under wraps July 2021 WASHINGTON — As the F-35 program inches its way through operational testing, the number of critical technical deficiencies is slowly dwindling, dropping from 11 critical deficiencies in January to seven in July.
Quote: The inside story of two supersonic flights that changed how America operates the F-35 WASHINGTON — The F-35 pilot who flew the two infamous supersonic missions that inflicted damage to the jet’s stealth coating and tail wants to set the record straight. . . . The Defense Department considers the issue “closed” as of December 2019 despite no plan to correct the problem. The F-35 Joint Program Office explained that “the operator value provided by a complete fix does not justify the estimated cost of that fix.”
Saturday, October 21, 2023 11:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So don't, yanno, fly it too fast or it'll break. That's not counting the software downloads that take hours.
Sunday, October 22, 2023 8:27 AM
Sunday, October 22, 2023 9:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Oct 21 - Marcus Keupp maintains that Russia can no longer gain the upper hand in this conflict. While hostilities continue, strategically, the war is already lost for Russia. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/renowned-military-economist-russia-can-no-longer-win-the-war/ar-AA1iDzyH What was Keupp saying in March?
Quote:You believe that Russia will not use nuclear weapons. How can you be sure of this? Nuclear weapons are a psychological weapon that Putin is using deliberately. Especially in Germany, it has an impact. Just mentioning it creates the typical German discourse of fear. I don't need to explain to you that a nuclear war cannot be won. Any nuclear use would immediately lead to escalation, even in conventional terms. Putin cannot have any interest in that.
Monday, October 23, 2023 6:04 AM
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Monday, October 23, 2023 10:23 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nobody cares.
Monday, October 23, 2023 10:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Where's the F-35? In the hangar, of course. Getting fixed... again. Quote:The number of major F-35 flaws is shrinking, but the Pentagon is keeping details of the problems under wraps July 2021 WASHINGTON — As the F-35 program inches its way through operational testing, the number of critical technical deficiencies is slowly dwindling, dropping from 11 critical deficiencies in January to seven in July. https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/2021/07/16/the-number-of-major-f-35-flaws-is-shrinking-but-the-pentagon-is-keeping-details-of-the-problems-under-wraps/ Quote: The inside story of two supersonic flights that changed how America operates the F-35 WASHINGTON — The F-35 pilot who flew the two infamous supersonic missions that inflicted damage to the jet’s stealth coating and tail wants to set the record straight. . . . The Defense Department considers the issue “closed” as of December 2019 despite no plan to correct the problem. The F-35 Joint Program Office explained that “the operator value provided by a complete fix does not justify the estimated cost of that fix.” https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/2020/05/22/the-inside-story-of-two-supersonic-flights-that-changed-how-america-operates-the-f-35/ So don't, yanno, fly it too fast or it'll break. That's not counting the software downloads that take hours. ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Monday, October 23, 2023 10:49 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Ukraine’s American-Made M39 Missiles May Have Wrecked 21 Russian Helicopters In A Single Operation David Axe | Oct 22, 2023, 05:58pm EDT https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/22/ukraines-american-made-m39-missiles-may-have-wrecked-21-russian-helicopters-in-a-single-operation/?sh=6afdcf494f23 The damage from Ukraine’s first-ever strike with American-supplied M39 missiles, targeting a pair of helicopter bases in Russian-occupied southern and eastern Ukraine, likely resulted in greater damage than even the Ukrainian defense ministry initially claimed. Far greater. In fact, the M39 raid put out of action 21 helicopters, according to an analysis of commercial satellite imagery by GeoConfirmed, an open-source intelligence practitioner on the social-media site formerly known as Twitter. “This is probably the biggest blow to the Russian air force since the beginning of the war,” GeoConfirmed commented. A second analysis, by Ukrainian analysis team Frontelligence Insight, aligns with GeoConfirmed’s assessment. “While their number slightly exceeds our team's public estimate, it's important to note that their estimate is based on solid grounds.” The M39 Army Tactical Missile System, or ATACMS, is a two-ton, 13-foot ballistic missile with a solid rocket motor and a warhead containing 950 M submunitions. Fired by a tracked or wheeled launcher, the 1990s-vintage missile ranges as far as 100 miles under inertial guidance. An M39 usually should strike within 50 yards or so of its aim-point. This isn’t super-accurate by modern standards, but it’s accurate enough considering that the M39 is an area weapon.
Monday, October 23, 2023 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nobody cares.More accurately: Nobody who is stupid cares.
Monday, October 23, 2023 11:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nobody cares.More accurately: Nobody who is stupid cares. Only stupid people care. FIFY -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Monday, October 23, 2023 12:06 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Nobody cares.More accurately: Nobody who is stupid cares. Only stupid people care. FIFY -------------------------------------------------- Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.
Tuesday, October 24, 2023 6:23 AM
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Tuesday, October 24, 2023 12:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Ukraine's fucked.
Tuesday, October 24, 2023 10:45 PM
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Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: PRICELESS! ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 6:10 AM
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 6:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Meanwhile, in REAL NEWS... Russians captured the slag hill just outside of the Avdiivka coke plant, an important position bc it's THE vantage point over Avdiivka and surrounds. Russians also captured two rail lines leading into Avdiivka from the north. Apparently they switched tactics, from tanks and armored vehicles to drones. Also, in addition to unleashing their new air-to-air missile (R37M) which has accounted for a dozen or so kills of Ukrainian military aircraft in the past week, Russia has also unleashed their third version of the Geran drone, with a range of 120 km and a 17 kg explosive charge.
Wednesday, October 25, 2023 11:50 AM
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