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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Friday, September 8, 2023 7:12 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, September 8, 2023 7:47 AM
Friday, September 8, 2023 9:17 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:0riginally posted by second: “The Ukrainians are defending the legal order established after the Second World War.
Quote: They have performed the entire NATO mission of absorbing and reversing an attack by Russia with a tiny percentage of NATO military [bloated military] budgets
Quote:and zero losses from NATO members.
Quote: Ukrainians are making a war in the Pacific much less likely by demonstrating to China that offensive operations are harder than they seem.
Quote: They have made nuclear war less likely by demonstrating that nuclear blackmail need not work.
Quote: Ukraine is also fighting to restore its grain exports to Africa and Asia
Quote: here millions of people have been put at risk by Russia’s attack on the Ukrainian economy.
Quote:Last but not least, Ukrainians are demonstrating that a democracy can defend itself.
Quote: (snip) “This war will not end because of one sudden event, but nor will it go on indefinitely. When and how it ends depends largely on us on what we do, on how much we help.
Quote: Even if we did not care at all about Ukrainians (and we should),
Quote: getting this war to end with a Ukrainian victory would be by far the best thing Americans could do for themselves.
Quote: Indeed, I do not think that, in the history of US foreign relations, there has ever been a chance to secure so much for Americans with so little effort by Americans. I do hope we take that chance.”
Friday, September 8, 2023 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This is a carefully-constructed load of manipulative hogwash. Nearly everything in it is counterfactual, and the parts that aren't are pure copium. Yep, angrybear, gonna flush you down the crapper!
Friday, September 8, 2023 10:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: This is a carefully-constructed load of manipulative hogwash. Nearly everything in it is counterfactual, and the parts that aren't are pure copium. Yep, angrybear, gonna flush you down the crapper! SECOND; The state of the war, Thoughts from Kyiv Timothy Snyder, Sep 7, 2023 Greetings from Kyiv. I have spent the last several days in Ukraine, here in the capital, and in the southerly regions of Odesa, Mykolaïv, and Kherson, trying to get a sense of the state of the war. I will write more about the experience, but I thought that it might be a good time to share my most general sense.
Quote: It is a crucial moment, partly because of what is happening, and partly because of our own sense of time. One and a half years is an awkward
Friday, September 8, 2023 11:15 AM
Quote: US Intel Official: Media Misleading Americans About Ukraine’s Battlefield Success Kyle Anzalone In an interview with renowned reporter Seymour Hersh, https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/why-putin-killed-prigozhin a US intelligence official scolded the media for misleading the American public about Ukraine’s battlefield failures during the Spring counteroffensive. The unnamed official additionally told Hersh he believes that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the assassination of PMC Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin to deescalate tensions with NATO. Responding to reports in recent weeks that Ukrainian forces were gaining momentum and recapturing territory, the official remarked, “Where are the reporters getting this stuff?” he asked. “There are stories talking about drunk Russian commanders while the Ukrainians are penetrating the three lines of Russian defense and will be able to work back to Mariupol.” He continued, “The goal of Russia’s first line of defense was not to stop the Ukrainian offense, but to slow it down so if there was a Ukrainian advance, Russian commanders could bring in reserves to fortify the line.” The official added, “There is no evidence that Ukrainian forces have gotten past the first line. The American press is doing anything but honest reporting on the failure thus far of the offense.”
Friday, September 8, 2023 11:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Nobody could be that stupid as to believe this load of crap. Synder is a plant.
Friday, September 8, 2023 12:50 PM
Friday, September 8, 2023 1:25 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Friday, September 8, 2023 2:07 PM
Friday, September 8, 2023 2:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Nobody could be that stupid as to believe this load of crap. Synder is a plant. SECOND: You misspelled
Quote: Snyder so it is not surprising you could not find him or his books using Google: https://www.google.com/search?q=Timothy+Snyder Snyder is real
Friday, September 8, 2023 3:39 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by THG: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM
Saturday, September 9, 2023 5:24 AM
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Sunday, September 10, 2023 3:53 AM
Sunday, September 10, 2023 5:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And I think there may a Russian offensive this winter that could bring the war to a quick close. I'm seeing a lot of hopium and copium in western press, which makes me think they're deliberately trying to fool everyone. Yanno, like usual.
Sunday, September 10, 2023 12:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And I think there may a Russian offensive this winter that could bring the war to a quick close. I'm seeing a lot of hopium and copium in western press, which makes me think they're deliberately trying to fool everyone. Yanno, like usual. SECOND: "Putin's general thinks the war will go on and on for years and years. No quick end, Signym. Just more and more war: Russian General Admits Ukraine Just a 'Stepping Stone' to Invade Europe
Quote: A key Russian general whom Russian President Vladimir Putin promoted this week views the invasion of Ukraine as a mere "stepping stone" to further conflict with Europe.
Sunday, September 10, 2023 4:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Russia didn't want to be our enemy, but we made it so. Maybe some time in the distant future, we can learn to let our hubris go and deal with other nations even-handedly instead of as vassals or enemies, or hollywoodesque "good guys" and "bad guys" (us being the main "good guy", of course!)
Sunday, September 10, 2023 6:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Russia didn't want to be our enemy, but we made it so. Maybe some time in the distant future, we can learn to let our hubris go and deal with other nations even-handedly instead of as vassals or enemies, or hollywoodesque "good guys" and "bad guys" (us being the main "good guy", of course!) SECOND: "Russia-Ukraine war: Vladimir Putin has a new opposition and it’s furious at defeat in Ukraine A loose coalition of far-right ideologues and militant extremists are spreading a dangerous “stab-in-the-back” myth to explain Russia’s crushing defeats." It
Sunday, September 10, 2023 6:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Somebody is either delusional or joking. I'm going with delusional.
Sunday, September 10, 2023 10:56 PM
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Monday, September 11, 2023 12:10 AM
Monday, September 11, 2023 12:14 AM
Monday, September 11, 2023 1:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Ukraine's former Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov has warned the West that Russia's intentions towards Ukraine are far more sinister than mere conquest. According to Reznikov, negotiations with Moscow will not bring peace, as Vladimir Putin is determined to completely destroy Ukraine and "assimilate" its citizens into the Russian Federation. Reznikov states that any "deal" with the Kremlin would not end the conflict. Russia demands the recognition of Ukraine's occupied territories as its own in exchange for ending the war. However, this is merely a tactic to buy time, regroup, and ultimately "solve the Ukrainian problem" using new resources. Russia does not recognize the existence of Ukraine and its people; its goal is the annihilation of the Ukrainian state and the assimilation of Ukrainians. Drawing parallels with the events leading up to World War II, Reznikov compares the international demands in 1938 for Czechoslovakia to cede Sudetenland to Nazi Germany. He argues that Putin's actions follow a similar pattern, and history shows that such concessions do not stop aggressors. The situation is further complicated by the lack of "meaningful diplomacy" with Moscow, as stated by U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken. Despite some recent successes, Ukraine's counteroffensive has not yet liberated a significant portion of southern Ukraine occupied by Russia since last year's full-scale invasion. Some Western allies have suggested that Ukraine may need to make territorial concessions to Russia in exchange for peace and NATO membership, a proposal that has sparked outrage in Kiev. https://www.dagens.com/news/disturbing-revelation-putins-goal-is-not-to-conquer-ukraine The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Monday, September 11, 2023 2:41 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Ukraine's former Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov has warned the West that Russia's intentions towards Ukraine are far more sinister than mere conquest. According to Reznikov...
Quote: SECOND: Ukraine reports ....
Monday, September 11, 2023 6:18 AM
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Quote: With tens of thousands of Ukrainians since dead, this adds up to maybe four to five times the Russian losses, based on estimated Russian excess deaths. Hundreds of thousands of healthy young people have been injured and/or traumatized in an already-poor health care system. Millions are live as refugees in Europe, with only 1/3rd of the refugees wanting to return to Ukraine despite impoverishment and vulnerability to sex exploitation. Ukraine´s birthrate has plummeted. Realistically hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have already died and next winter may well again be very hard, perhaps even harder. War is crucifying Ukraine, and Ukraine may also be losing.
Quote: According to their analysis, 25,000 more inheritance cases were opened in 2022 for males aged 15 to 49 than expected. By May 27, 2023, the number of excess cases had shot up to 47,000.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 4:29 AM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 4:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Various (realistic) estimates from various battlefields report anywhere from 4-10:1 ratio of Ukrainian deaths to Russian deaths. Probably closer to 5:1, but whatever the ratio clearly Ukraine is losing far more soldiers than Russia, and won't be able to keep the war going indefinitely because they've already run out of traditional 155 mm shells and sooner or later will run out of soldiers.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 9:55 AM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: As usual, you lie like a rug, SECOND. Ukrainaians DON'T carry your overwhelming historical grudges. THAT'S YOU. Aside from YOU saying it, there are no quotes from modern reportage that even mentions the Holdomor. Do you read about soldiers dying with "Remember the Holdomor!" on their lips? Nah.... That's YOUR INVENTION. Whatever anti-Russian feelings have been whipped up since 2007, they're modern, and a result of western NGOs/ State Dept working in Ukraine.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:52 AM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 2:41 PM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 3:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I don't give a fuck if Russians claim the Holdomor never happened* That's NOT on Ukrainian's minds right now, and hasn't been for 50 years. Stop propagnadizing, and get right with reality, SECOND.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 4:08 PM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Ukrainians are fighting bc once they're drafted they don't have much of a choice. Meanwhile, Kiev is busy drumming into civilian heads that Russia wants to "wipe Ukraine off the map and invade the rest of Europe". Not true, stop lying.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:09 PM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 8:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But mainly, the cabal of manipulators are busy pumping fear of "Soviet conquest" into people's heads.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But mainly, the cabal of manipulators are busy pumping fear of "Soviet conquest" into people's heads. SECOND: It is Russia that pumped fear into Europe. Signym, you should have warned the Russians to not say these things on TV: Russia general says Ukraine just ‘stepping stone’ to invade Europe: ‘Won’t stop' By Mallika Soni, Sep 10, 2023 10:34 PM IST
Quote: Russia threatens to nuke https://www.google.com/search?q=Russia+threatens+to+nuke
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: What YOU NOW CALL NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL WE USED TO CALL DETERRENCE. And we both counted on it to keep each other in check. That's your fear-mongering again. You sound as obsessed with Russia as Auraptor sounded about Saddam's so-called WMD.
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:21 PM
Tuesday, September 12, 2023 11:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, SECOND, what is he saying???
Wednesday, September 13, 2023 1:32 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, SECOND, what is he saying???“Ukrainians are our brothers but Ukraine is occupied by Western countries and it’s Western countries fighting against the Russian army using Ukrainian soldiers as slaves,” Markov said. “[This] was the main idea of Vladimir Putin’s [speech], that’s why we need to have this partial mobilization.” “Russia does not want everybody in the world to die, but what Russia wants is to solve this war with Western countries conducted against Russia on Ukrainian territory, which Western countries in fact occupy,” Markov said. You didn't comprehend what Markov said, Signym, but now you have a second chance to read his words. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Wednesday, September 13, 2023 4:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: No, YOU misrepresent what he said
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