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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Thursday, January 12, 2023 5:46 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Thursday, January 12, 2023 7:34 AM
Thursday, January 12, 2023 9:21 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Friday, January 13, 2023 8:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol
Friday, January 13, 2023 9:50 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, January 13, 2023 10:22 AM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno SECOND, you whined more than once that the USA doesn't know how to fight a war. That figthing a war, to quote Patton, didn' mean dying for your country, it meant making the other SOB die for his country. Well, apparently Russia DOES know how to fight wars, bc they're fighting a war of attrition. But that's one of the great things about fighting a war of attrition on a static front: not too much real estate gets destroyed. As long a Kiev is willing to keep pumping troops and weapons into the Soledar/Bakhmust agglomeration, all the Russia's shells will keep landing in the same spots over and over. Kiev and Kharkiv and other cities will be mostly spared. I'm sure you;ll find a way to whine about that, too. In reality, your biggest whine is that Russia is winning.
Friday, January 13, 2023 10:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: "Ukraine's Year of Victory"? I don't know what SECOND gets out of posting other people's delusions. Does he think we're going to be delusional with him? Hey, SECOND, did you know you sound like Hitler in his bunker, or Baghdad Bob?
Friday, January 13, 2023 10:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: lol A...
Friday, January 13, 2023 11:06 AM
Friday, January 13, 2023 11:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno SECOND, you whined more than once that the USA doesn't know how to fight a war. That figthing a war, to quote Patton, didn' mean dying for your country, it meant making the other SOB die for his country. Well, apparently Russia DOES know how to fight wars, bc they're fighting a war of attrition. But that's one of the great things about fighting a war of attrition on a static front: not too much real estate gets destroyed. As long a Kiev is willing to keep pumping troops and weapons into the Soledar/Bakhmust agglomeration, all the Russia's shells will keep landing in the same spots over and over. Kiev and Kharkiv and other cities will be mostly spared. I'm sure you;ll find a way to whine about that, too. In reality, your biggest whine is that Russia is winning.WWII showed that both Russia and Ukraine are incompetent. How do I know? The death toll: Russia 26,600,000 Ukraine 6,850,000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Soviet_Union For comparison: Germany 5,700,000 while fighting on two fronts. Doesn't look good, except in comparison to Ukraine and the even stupider Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Nazi_Germany For further comparison USA 671,801 And that was while fighting two separate wars on opposite sides of the world. In Ukraine, two idiotic countries, one bigger and dumber than the other, are fighting. It is absolutely no surprise that incompetence rules over these two countries. Who will win? I don't know. Either Dumb or Dumber will be declared the Winner after they beat each other almost to death. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, January 13, 2023 12:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Hey Ted. Looks like Second doesn't support Ukraine either.
Friday, January 13, 2023 2:32 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Hey Ted. Looks like Second doesn't support Ukraine either.6ix, you deserve the shit beaten out of you
Friday, January 13, 2023 3:53 PM
Friday, January 13, 2023 4:47 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Looks like you're really gotten under SECOND's skin, SIX. Poor bastard is reduced to near-threats. Again.
Friday, January 13, 2023 6:30 PM
Friday, January 13, 2023 6:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Looks like you're really gotten under SECOND's skin, SIX. Poor bastard is reduced to near-threats. Again.I have to deal with people who steal from me. I handle that by turning their lives into smoking ruins.
Friday, January 13, 2023 6:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Looks like you're really gotten under SECOND's skin, SIX. Poor bastard is reduced to near-threats. Again.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Looks like you're really gotten under SECOND's skin, SIX. Poor bastard is reduced to near-threats. Again.
Saturday, January 14, 2023 6:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Absolute lunatic and garbage human being.
Saturday, January 14, 2023 6:59 AM
Saturday, January 14, 2023 8:16 AM
Saturday, January 14, 2023 12:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Looks like you're really gotten under SECOND's skin, SIX. Poor bastard is reduced to near-threats. Again.I have to deal with people who steal from me. I handle that by turning their lives into smoking ruins.
Saturday, January 14, 2023 2:50 PM
Quote: Emmanuel Todd On The Third World War The French Le Figaro has an interview with the well known anthropologist Emmanuel Todd. Emmanuel Todd: «La Troisième Guerre mondiale a commencé» "The third world war has began" is his new thesis. Todd is quite famous for correctly predicting the devolution of the Soviet Union long before it happened. He was quite alone at that time.
Quote: I once had a piece on Todd's later predictions for the U.S. and Europe which still seems spot on. I also quoted him in a piece on social decline as a national security issue. Unfortunately the Figaro piece is paywalled. But Arnaud Bertrand has done us the favor of translating the gist. Here is his slightly edited thread: Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand - 15:42 UTC · Jan 13, 2023 Emmanuel Todd, one of the greatest French intellectuals today, claims that the "Third World War has started." Small ?? translating the most important points in this fascinating interview. He says "it's obvious that the conflict, which started as a limited territorial war and is escalating to a global economic confrontation between the whole of the West on the one hand and Russia and China on the other hand, has become a world war." He believes that "Putin made a big mistake early on, which is [that] on the eve of the war [everyone saw Ukraine] not as a fledgling democracy, but as a society in decay and a “failed state” in the making. [...] I think the Kremlin's calculation was that this decaying society would crumble at the first shock. But what we have discovered, on the contrary, is that a society in decomposition, if it is fed by external financial and military resources, can find in war a new type of balance, and even a horizon, a hope."
Quote: He says he agrees with Mearsheimer's analysis of the conflict: "Mearsheimer tells us that Ukraine, whose army had been overtaken by NATO soldiers (American, British and Polish) since at least 2014, was therefore a de facto member of the NATO, and that the Russians had announced that they would never tolerate Ukraine in NATO. From their point of view, the Russians are therefore in a war that is defensive and preventive. Mearsheimer added that we would have no reason to rejoice in the eventual difficulties of the Russians because since this is an existential question for them, the harder it would be, the harder they would strike. The analysis seems to hold true." He however has some criticism for Mearsheimer: "Mearsheimer, like a good American, overestimates his country. He considers that, if for the Russians the war in Ukraine is existential, for the Americans it is basically only one 'game' of power among others. After Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, what's one more debacle? The basic axiom of American geopolitics is: 'We can do whatever we want because we are sheltered, far away, between two oceans, nothing will ever happen to us'. Nothing would be existential for America. Insufficient analysis which today leads Biden to proceed mindlessly. America is fragile. The resistance of the Russian economy is pushing the American imperial system towards the precipice. No one had expected that the Russian economy would hold up against the 'economic power' of NATO. I believe that the Russians themselves did not anticipate it. If the Russian economy resisted the sanctions indefinitely and managed to exhaust the European economy, while it itself remained, backed by China, American monetary and financial controls of the world would collapse, and with them the possibility for United States to fund their huge trade deficit for nothing. This war has therefore become existential for the United States. No more than Russia, they cannot withdraw from the conflict, they cannot let go. This is why we are now in an endless war, in a confrontation whose outcome must be the collapse of one or the other."
Quote: He firmly believes the US is in decline but sees it as bad news for the autonomy of vassal states: "I have just read a book by S. Jaishankar, Indian Minister of Foreign Affairs (The India Way), published just before the war, who sees American weakness, who knows that the confrontation between China and the US will have no winner but will give space to a country like India, and to many others. I add: but not to Europeans. Everywhere we see the weakening of the US, but not in Europe and Japan because one of the effects of the retraction of the imperial system is that the United States strengthens its hold on its initial protectorates. As the American system shrinks, it weighs ever more heavily on the local elites of the protectorates (and I include all of Europe here). The first to lose all national autonomy will be (or already are) the English and the Australians. The Internet has produced human interaction with the US in the Anglosphere of such intensity that its academic, media and artistic elites are, so to speak, annexed. On the European continent we are somewhat protected by our national languages, but the fall in our autonomy is considerable, and rapid. Let's remember the Iraq war, when Chirac, Schröder and Putin held joint anti-war press conferences." He underlines the importance of skills and education: "The US is now twice as populated as Russia (2.2 times in student age groups). But in the US only 7% are studying engineering, while in Russia it is 25%. Which means that with 2.2 times fewer people studying, Russia trains 30% more engineers. The US fills the gap with foreign students, but they're mainly Indians and even more Chinese. This is not safe and is already decreasing. It is a dilemma of the American economy: it can only face competition from China by importing skilled Chinese labor." On the ideological and cultural aspects of the war: "When we see the Russian Duma pass even more repressive legislation on 'LGBT propaganda', we feel superior. I can feel that as an ordinary Westerner. But from a geopolitical point of view, if we think in terms of soft power, it is a mistake. On 75% of the planet, the kinship organization was patrilineal and one can sense a strong understanding of Russian attitudes. For the collective non-West, Russia affirms a reassuring moral conservatism." He continues: "The USSR had a certain form of soft power [but] communism basically horrified the whole Muslim world by its atheism and inspired nothing particular in India, outside of West Bengal and Kerala. However, today, Russia which repositioned itself as the archetype of the great power, not only anti-colonialist, but also patrilineal and conservative of traditional mores, can seduce much further. [For instance] it's obvious that Putin's Russia, having become morally conservative, has become sympathetic to the Saudis who I'm sure have a bit of a hard time with American debates over access for transgender women in the ladies' room.
Quote: Western media are tragically funny, they keep saying, 'Russia is isolated, Russia is isolated'. But when we look at the votes at the UN, we see that 75% of the world does not follow the West, which then seems very small. With an anthropologist reading of this [divide between the West and the rest] we find that countries in the West often have a nuclear family structure with bilateral kinship systems, that is to say where male and female kinship are equivalent in the definition of the social status of the child. [Within the rest], with the bulk of the Afro-Euro-Asian mass, we find community and patrilineal family organizations. We then see that this conflict, described by our media as a conflict of political values, is at a deeper level a conflict of anthropological values. It is this unconscious aspect of the divide and this depth that make the confrontation dangerous." There you go. Is he right on everything? I don't know, but Emmanuel Todd is certainly always a very singular and interesting thinker, with a vastly different analysis from the depressingly predictable bad takes that usually dominate French media. Todd's thinking rhymes well with that of Radhika Desai and Michael Hudson as reproduced at Naked Capitalism. Economists Radhika Desai & Michael Hudson Explain Multipolarity, Decline of US Hegemony - Original here Yves Smith introduces it: Yves here. Some rousing weekend listening! Radhika Desai and Michael Hudson are launching a bi-weekly talk show, Geopolitical Economy Hour. The opening segment gives an overview, starting with the breakdown of US dominance and how it has been accelerated ironically by self-defeating efforts to preserve the system. It seems trivial at this point to observe that American defense of its hegemony has helped forge a strong Russia-China alliance. But will this partnership wind up dominating other countries, and stymie the development of a truly multipolar order? Good food for thought
Saturday, January 14, 2023 6:57 PM
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Sunday, January 15, 2023 7:16 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR, what does that have to do with SIX, or me, or ... anything?
Sunday, January 15, 2023 9:50 AM
Sunday, January 15, 2023 12:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR, what does that have to do with SIX, or me, or ... anything?Could it be that Signym, 6ix, and Medvedev are lunatics unconscious of how crazy they are?
Sunday, January 15, 2023 4:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: hmmmmmmmmm...
Sunday, January 15, 2023 4:23 PM
Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: hmmmmmmmmm...I have heard it a million times while talking to angry poor white trash in East Texas. The Texas Trumptards I know claim they aren't crazy. It is those rich Coastal Elites who are the real crazies. Oddly, the description of Trump is equally fitting for his Trumptards:
Sunday, January 15, 2023 5:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THUGR, what does that have to do with SIX, or me, or ... anything?Could it be that Signym, 6ix, and Medvedev are lunatics unconscious of how crazy they are? This war in Ukraine, pro or con, was never about different values. It has always been about Russians being insane. Is this caused by leftover trauma and stress from WWII? Or leftover from the collapse of the Soviet Union? Or leftover from years of drunkenness in the case of 6ix and Russians? No one knows precisely why crazy people are that way. Here is Medvedev showing his craziness: Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has accused Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida of shameful subservience to the United States and suggested he should ritually disembowel himself. He was responding to a meeting on Friday between Kishida and Biden, after which the two leaders issued a joint statement saying, “We state unequivocally that any use of a nuclear weapon by Russia in Ukraine would be an act of hostility against humanity and unjustifiable in any way.” Medvedev said the nuclear statement showed “paranoia” towards Russia and “betrayed the memory of hundreds of thousands of Japanese who were burned in the nuclear fire of Hiroshima and Nagasaki” – a reference to the atomic bombs that the United States dropped on Japan before its surrender at the end of World War II. Rather than demanding US repentance for this, Kishida had shown he was “just a service attendant for the Americans”. He said such shame could only be washed away by committing “seppuku” – a form of suicide by disembowelment, also known as “hara-kiri” – at a meeting of the Japanese cabinet after Kishida’s return. Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Medvedev has warned repeatedly that Western meddling in the crisis could lead to nuclear war. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/14/russias-medvedev-says-japanese-pm-should-disembowel-himself
Sunday, January 15, 2023 6:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: hmmmmmmmmm...I have heard it a million times while talking to angry poor white trash in East Texas. The Texas Trumptards I know claim they aren't crazy. It is those rich Coastal Elites who are the real crazies. Oddly, the description of Trump is equally fitting for his Trumptards: The difference between your opinions and my facts is that I bring receipts of your insane behavior to the table. If you'd ever shut the fuck up for 5 seconds all anyone would hear from your side is crickets.
Sunday, January 15, 2023 7:57 PM
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Sunday, January 15, 2023 8:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, you have a need to hate. So you keep inventing enemies. Kinda sick, don't you think?
Sunday, January 15, 2023 8:51 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yes. It is pretty sick.
Sunday, January 15, 2023 10:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yes. It is pretty sick.You are correct about Russians:
Monday, January 16, 2023 2:22 AM
Monday, January 16, 2023 7:43 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno, SECOND can't seem to stop posting about his obsessions. I suggest we just ignore him for a while.
Monday, January 16, 2023 9:05 AM
Monday, January 16, 2023 9:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno, SECOND can't seem to stop posting about his obsessions. I suggest we just ignore him for a while. Sounds good to me.
Monday, January 16, 2023 10:57 AM
Monday, January 16, 2023 11:10 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yanno, SECOND can't seem to stop posting about his obsessions. I suggest we just ignore him for a while. Sounds good to me.Does that mean you will stop writing "Fuck Ukraine" over and over? Does it mean that Signym will stop quoting the crazy people who praise Russians as heroes for killing civilians? (According to the crazy people, it is not Russia, but Ukraine, that kills civilians. There was a story today where the Russians said it was Ukraine, not Russia, never Russia, that destroyed an apartment building or a maternity hospital or an orphanage or kindergarten in Ukraine because the Ukrainians wanted to make Russia look bad.) Maybe Russia should sue Ukraine in the International Courts for defamation of Russia's reputation and character? I bet Russians think they could win $1 trillion in damages. Maybe $2 trillion. Come to think of it, Trump counter-sues people who accuse him of being a criminal. The same tactic should work just as well for Russia as it works for Trump. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Monday, January 16, 2023 11:46 AM
Monday, January 16, 2023 12:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck Ukraine.
Monday, January 16, 2023 12:48 PM
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