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Got a shipwreck on BC's coast in Nootka Sound which is an marine park. The wreck is starting to leak oil and now the Province has to figure out what to do about it. Booms have been placed to keep anymore of the oil from reaching land. An otter was killed and a marine bird soiled. The bird was rescued and is being looked after.

Cameras and such have been sent down and divers to see where the damage in the hull is and try and find out how much oil is left in the ship.

She was a cargo ship and went down in '68, if I remember the year right. Hit a rock ledge all hands got off safely.

First the oil has to come out of the ship, then the Province has two choices 1. Leave her down there to become a reef or 2. Try and raise her and tow her back to dock.

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I'm surprised they didn't pump the fuel (usually bunker C) out right away.

Ships make great reefs, if they're properly decontaminated before being sunk, for a variety of reasons

1) ANYTHING stationary in the water helps ANYTHING get more food. Think about the mechanics of ocean-living: in a free-floating environment, food and creature swash back and forth together, staying in the same relative position. For any creature, that means that rather than food swashing past them and being ableto snatch it as it drifts by, they have to actively pursue prey, whether than means diatoms, krill, or fish. if a plant or animal can achor itself on something instead, the waves will bring food to them. So you will see seaweeds and shellfish thriving on coral reefs, oil rigs, and sunken ships.

2) Iron is the limiting nutrient in the ocean, Since ships are usually made of iron, this solves the nutrient barrier.

3) Shelter from predators.

However, it isn't enough to just sink a ship. Not only should you remove fuel from the fuel tanks, you also need to remove lubricant (grease), hydraulic fluid, and lead and cadmium paint as well as anti-fouling paint (usually copper-based), Once that's done, the ship becomes a wonderful artificial reef and a great place to scuba dive.

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Sad ... but interesting. I hope they can protect the area and its life.

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All that can be done will be. BC is very protective of its coast line.

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It looks like it takes a lot to prepared a ship for reefdom.

I wonder how they move that bunker oil. At room temperature it's like peanut butter. At those temperatures it's got to be pretty hard. And I know at Chevron's off-shore ship-to-refinery X-fer, even ordinary crude which is much thinner is transferred though a heated underwater pipe.

Anyway, I'm guessing the lighter fraction of the oil is leaking out.

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Sad ... but interesting. I hope they can protect the area and its life.

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All that can be done will be. BC is very protective of its coast line.

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That's cool!

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Oh, hey KIKI, I looked thru my cookbooks and I - amazingly- still have the Moosewood book.

I'll post the soupe recipe in the recipe thread when I get a chance. I wasn't the cook on that one, tho, so if they did something special, outside of the recipe, I wouldn't know.



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I know you're busy, so whenever you can get to it, I'd truly appreciate it!

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Biden’s Obama-era Cabinet picks frustrate liberals, civil rights leaders

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If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

And when Biden* fails to keep his promises - or even promote them - I'll be happy to laugh at his skinny saggy ass parading all over town in his New Clothes™.

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Turn the blower off. Leave everything else on. Check again in 2 hours. Still high? UNPLUG the blower. Leave everything else on. Check again in 2 hours.

Also, grab the wire some ways BEHIND the blower plug (but not anywhere over it, in the interests of personal safety). Is it warm? If so, it's drawing far more than it should.

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Re-read the post I'm referring to, THUGGER?

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Tom Vilsack for Agriculture Secretary Is Everything That’s Wrong With the Democratic Party
Our planet and rural communities cannot afford four more years of Vilsack’s aggressive corporatism.
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ON TUESDAY, AFTER some public tokenizing and horse trading, President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team crowned dairy industry lobbyist and former Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to lead the Department of Agriculture. Vilsack won out over House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn’s pick, Rep. Marcia Fudge, who was also backed by progressives. Whereas Fudge represented an opportunity to unite the USDA’s rural and urban constituents and address the agency’s long history of racial discrimination, Vilsack is a rerun of pro-corporate policies that continue to drive rural communities away from the Democratic Party.
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Because that's the one I'm referring to. That's the one that you libeled me for posting when I merely quoted RF who posted it first.

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Still shitting up this thread with your shit posts because you don't have a good reply in the original, eh THUGGER?

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The quote below is the post **I'm** referring to., THUGGER.

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Tom Vilsack for Agriculture Secretary Is Everything That’s Wrong With the Democratic Party
Our planet and rural communities cannot afford four more years of Vilsack’s aggressive corporatism.
https://theintercept.com/2020/12/11/democrat-tom-vilsack-usda-secretar
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ON TUESDAY, AFTER some public tokenizing and horse trading, President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team crowned dairy industry lobbyist and former Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to lead the Department of Agriculture. Vilsack won out over House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn’s pick, Rep. Marcia Fudge, who was also backed by progressives. Whereas Fudge represented an opportunity to unite the USDA’s rural and urban constituents and address the agency’s long history of racial discrimination, Vilsack is a rerun of pro-corporate policies that continue to drive rural communities away from the Democratic Party.
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Laundry day, ugh. If you have only one machine and a family, it turns into laundry WEEK. I don't know which is worse.

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Tree is up and I will decorate tomorrow.

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Tree is up and I will decorate tomorrow.

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I managed to put on the lights with dear daughter's help, but that's as much as I could manage. Still, even with just lights it looks pretty.

I'll bet your tree is going to look fabulous, BRENDA!

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Maybe the rain will melt the snow away?

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I bring this up because the difficulty we had taking it apart for recycling, as old and rusted and deteriorated as it was, tells a story of how well it was made to begin with.

So, in order that these wheels don't die from memory, I'm going to describe them.

About 32-33", they were solid rubber wheels with metal rim, eight wooden spokes and a metal hub with eight sockets for the spokes.

The rubber was extraordinary high quality because after who knows how many years of exposure there were no visible cracks. The cross section of the rubber on the outside was a sharp oval, but on the inside was a tang (don't know what else to call it) that fitted into the rim. Embedded in the rubber were two circumferential solid steel wires, end-joined with a metal crimp and brazing.
There was a wooden rim inside the metal rim, two-half pieces of wood bent into an exact semicircle, and attached to the metal rim with a rivet/ bolt combination. The wood spokes were tennoned into the wood, and also tenoned into the iron hub. The iron hub ... the most complicated piece... was about 6" diameter and housed the wooden spokes and the axle bearings.

I challenge any group of 100 people today to make its equal.

We think that "back then" people were more primitive but, in reality, they had to know more and do more than we do today.

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Just to get back to those wheels for a bit: I believe that rubber was ACTUAL solid rubber. You don't find that anymore: Vehicle tires are made of a little rubber, a lot of carbon, other resins, and (usually) steel radial belts. A lotta crap, but not much rubber.

The only tires that I know of that are made of REAL rubber are on commercial aircraft, because anything else would burn up on landing; vehicle-type tires simply couldn't stand the stress.

The wood ... in some parts it was in EXCELLENT shape. It looks like very close-grained white oak. I can't imagine how they bent two pieces of wood into semi-circles that matched the metal rim so closely. I know that they heat the metal rim to expand it, then put it on the wood and let it cool and shrink into place, but how did they get the rubber on it? Stretch it like a rubber band? The embedded metal wires say no.

And speaking of which: How did they get the wires into the rubber? I can imagine them pouring the rubber into a mold which already contained the wires but ... how did they manage to keep them in place so perfectly?

The Amish make something like.



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Christmas tree is decorated.

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Christmas tree is decorated.

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Out for my Christmas day eve walk in a bit. Nice and clear with some heavy frost around.

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Out for my Christmas day eve walk in a bit. Nice and clear with some heavy frost around.

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Sounds lovely!

Here, it is cold and cloudy. Gloomy, actually. But no rain. Worst of both worlds. I'm looking forward to the next rain event, because then the ashes from all of the earlier fires will be washed from the leaves, rooftops, streets and into the soil or the ocean, and it will stop swirling around with the wind and stop being re-deposited on everything (no matter how many times I hose off the solar panels and the cars, and sweep and dust the house.)

We MIGHT get rain on Sunday/Monday, but this particular rainstorm forecast is getting thinner and thinner and less and less likely the closer we get to the event. Still, ANY amount would be welcome, even a quarter inch!

Lady Rain, please think of all of the creatures that are suffering.

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Merry Christmas

Learned My Lesson! I have had enough!!!! We'll never help anyone again......EVER!! I'm too kindhearted, or I'm too stupid!! Yesterday it was so cold out that we took a man into our home out of the kindness of our heart. We felt so sorry for him. Poor thing was out in the cold, but this morning he had just vanished. Not a word...not even a goodbye or a thank you for sheltering him!! The last straw?!?! When I realized he had peed all over the living room floor!!! That's the thank you I get for being good to people?!?!?!
Now I'm going to warn my friends to watch out for this man! He is heavy set, wearing nothing but a scarf, he has a nose that looks like a carrot, two black eyes, and his arms are so skinny they look like sticks!!! Don't bring him into your house!! What a huge mess he made on the floor!!!


courtesy of my neighbors at Nextdoor

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Well, sat down last night and started to watch the last Star Wars movie. Was a half hour into it when I realized that I was missing half the dialogue, so stopped it and went back to the beginning to bring up the CC which is close captioning. On this movie it is listed as "Dialogue for the Hearing Impaired" or something along those lines. Isn't that just lovely. And in really big letters.

Also so much FX in the first half hour too. Quite rough had to close my eyes every so often because of it. Spirals, explosions and the like.

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Been fighting this flu since Monday. Not a big fan of taking medicime for symptom relief, but one thing I AM a believer in is taking meds for comfort before bedtime, so I can get a good night's sleep. IMHO that's really key to getting better. Anyway, yesterday was the worst. I crawled (back) into bed around 9 AM feeling like a block of ice and hurting everywhere, and just stayed there and didn't wake up again until after 4 PM. Can't believe what a good dog our doggie was- except for the morning when she really REALLY needed to go outside she just curled up next to me patiently waiting for me to get up. I thought for sure she'd be a total annoyance. It's almost as if she knew I was sick, and throttled back her 2-year-old-toddler-equivalent-energy for which I am EXTREMELY grateful, since the rest of the household was in only marginally better shape than me.

SIX, you posted somewhere that you tend to wind up with a wheezing cough. May I suggest cough syrup with dextromethorphan (cough suppressant) and guaifenesen (expectorant, loosens mucus). The problem with a scantly productive frequent cough is that the cough itself irritates the trachea and bronchi, leading to more cough more ittitation and more cough. So Robitussin DM or generic equivalent. It might help you thru the worst of many flus; it sure worked for me! Also, drinking any warm light beverage (I like warm water best). Ibuprofen for fever and aches. So far been very useful as a bedtime regimen.

Anyway. I'm definitely on the mend, yay!!!

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So over at this end ... I read in your post KIKI that you're still wheezing and bubbling. I'm still coughing and occasionally wheezing but the bubbling seems to have stopped. I had a coincidental appointment with my PCP and I'm loaded up with all kinds of asthma medication but I have to say ... I'm not sure they're helping, and I'm tired of being tired. I mean, overall I'm way better than I was 2 1/2 weeks ago when I was in bed with the covers over my head shaking with chills, but ... still... some days just walking the dog gets me out of breath! I just started picking up the pieces about four days ago, but "things to do" are piling up way faster than my ability to handle them!

So I'm thinking about this coronavirus and, like you, imagining that if I were ever to get it I'd be the one in the hospital dying of pneumonia.

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Well, sat down last night and started to watch the last Star Wars movie. Was a half hour into it when I realized that I was missing half the dialogue, so stopped it and went back to the beginning to bring up the CC which is close captioning. On this movie it is listed as "Dialogue for the Hearing Impaired" or something along those lines. Isn't that just lovely. And in really big letters.

Also so much FX in the first half hour too. Quite rough had to close my eyes every so often because of it. Spirals, explosions and the like.

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Well, if it makes you feel any better, when we switched from Spectrum to Amazon Prime TV (free for us, saves about $120/mo) we started with CC for a foreign language show, and it was so convenient we haven't switched it off since. Hubby is deaf in one ear due to unilateral Meniere's and muliple inner ear surgeries and eardrum reconstructions, and I've lost quite a bit of my hearing in BOTH ears but don't want to spend $4500 for two hearing aids, and it's saved us a lot of "What? What did she say?" and "Go back, I didn't hear that.".

Too bad there's no such thing as CC for real life! It would save a TREMENDOUS amount of miscommunication!!



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Anyway, plans for the New Year, I guess. Looking forward to that. I make "resolutions" throughout the year ... have succeeded with some (getting better sleep by taking care to rinse and unstuff my nose every night, reduced pain doesn't wake me up/keep me awake, arranging pillows to reduce shoulder pain) is the big one, have reduced dietary carbs significantly, getting regular exercise -like you, BRENDA, I walk every day.

And of course have completed a couple of large important projects, especially legal-financial and digging out a second vegetable garden and helping hubby put shelving and countertops up in the garage, having the waste pipes replaced for the whole house, and doing a general "cleanup" leading to several big metal recycling runs (one more to do). Not a big list like SIX's, not as important and life-altering as moving but something to look back on as accomplishments.


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Merry Christmas

Learned My Lesson! I have had enough!!!! We'll never help anyone again......EVER!! I'm too kindhearted, or I'm too stupid!! Yesterday it was so cold out that we took a man into our home out of the kindness of our heart. We felt so sorry for him. Poor thing was out in the cold, but this morning he had just vanished. Not a word...not even a goodbye or a thank you for sheltering him!! The last straw?!?! When I realized he had peed all over the living room floor!!! That's the thank you I get for being good to people?!?!?!
Now I'm going to warn my friends to watch out for this man! He is heavy set, wearing nothing but a scarf, he has a nose that looks like a carrot, two black eyes, and his arms are so skinny they look like sticks!!! Don't bring him into your house!! What a huge mess he made on the floor!!!


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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/morning-briefing/trump-issues-over-dozen-
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Over a dozen ...

List of people pardoned by Bill Clinton
As President, Clinton used his power under the U.S. Constitution to grant pardons and clemency to 456 people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_by_Bill_Clinton

List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama
By the end of his second and final term on January 20, 2017, United States President Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant the executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"[1]—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemenc
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