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Evidence: So where are we now(II) ?
Friday, November 17, 2017 3:15 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Saturday, November 18, 2017 7:41 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: What I'm objecting to is the constant one-sided focus on Trump. IF YOU HAD RAISED OBJECTIONS TO THE CLINTON'S UNETHICAL, IF NOT DOWNRIGHT ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR, I'D SAY THAT YOU REALLY WERE INTERESTED IN DRAINING THE SWAMP. But the reality that that you're either partisan hacks (like SECOND) or deep-state trolls (like THUGR) and nobody would EVER mistake you for objective arbiters of anything.
Saturday, November 18, 2017 8:29 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: I hear about Clinton's behavior all the time in Texas from over-stimulated Republicans: Did you hear she killed Vince Foster? Did you know drugs were smuggled into Arkansas under Clinton protection? Did you know she violated email protocol that put the USA at risk of something? Did you know her negligence killed those embassy guys in Libya? Did you know Clinton would start a war with Russia and there would be H-bombs dropped on Houston?
Saturday, November 18, 2017 9:46 AM
THGRRI
Saturday, November 18, 2017 11:04 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Migrants from west Africa being ‘sold in Libyan slave markets’ West African migrants are being bought and sold openly in modern-day [public] slave markets in Libya, survivors have told a UN agency helping them return home.
Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So THUGR, SECOND if you can show that what I've posted is "false" and "lies" then maybe you win a point. But, what HAVE I posted?
Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:30 PM
Quote: We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. - THUGR
Saturday, November 18, 2017 3:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. - THUGR Fixed it for you.
Saturday, November 18, 2017 4:02 PM
Saturday, November 18, 2017 4:14 PM
Quote: We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. -THUGR Fixed it for you.- SIGNY I offer as proof who the liar is by pointing out your continued practice of changing what others post. It's also what your favorite source zero hedge does. - THUGR
Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: We have been and will continue to point out LIE ABOUT what you are doing in real time. -THUGR Fixed it for you.- SIGNY I offer as proof who the liar is by pointing out your continued practice of changing what others post. It's also what your favorite source zero hedge does. - THUGR Nobody would ever read my post ... where I clearly strike out your words and insert my own comments ... and assume it was yours. It is very clear that I think you're a liar, not that YOU admit to being one. None of your "friends" here on the board will back you up on your particular grotch about this because it's clear TO EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU what you posted versus what I posted. And only you would pretend that a clearly edited post was some sort of "lie". So sit on it and spin.
Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:04 PM
Quote:It's that you do this type thing in many different forms Sig,- THUGR
Sunday, November 19, 2017 9:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Have you been able to show that anything that I just posted about Hillary was a "lie"? No??? Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a "liar".
Sunday, November 19, 2017 11:45 AM
Sunday, November 19, 2017 12:33 PM
Sunday, November 19, 2017 2:08 PM
Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:21 PM
Sunday, November 19, 2017 4:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: AND STILL NO EVIDENCE, eh comrade troll?
Sunday, November 19, 2017 5:21 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, I don't think you understand how little I care about "what Putin wants". First of all, he's over there; we're over here. Until his actions impact OUR interests, then I don't give a fuck; I really don't.
Sunday, November 19, 2017 5:43 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, November 19, 2017 6:59 PM
Quote: AND STILL NO EVIDENCE, eh comrade troll? - SIGNY You really should try and tell the truth once SIG, you'll feel better. If you won't believe me maybe you'll believe one of these guys.- THUGR
Quote: Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow
Sunday, November 19, 2017 7:58 PM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Quote: I do check my own quote when somebody quotes me and so far I've never seen anybody intentionally change what I post and try to pass it off as something I actually said.
Monday, November 20, 2017 5:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: One of the things I'm really good at (in my job) is letting the data speak to me. You just gotta throw the data on the table and absorb it, without trying to impose a picture on the data. I think the Trump campaign committee had far fewer inimical foreign contacts than the Clinton campaign committee.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECONDQuote: Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow In other words, Mueller needs to spin a yarn? Maybe you need to tell that to THUGR, since HE seems to believe that "the truth" should figure into this somehow.
Monday, November 20, 2017 7:09 AM
Quote:Lawyers are not scientists ... Snow jobs are how prosecutors turn suspicion into convictions from juries.
Monday, November 20, 2017 8:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Lawyers are not scientists ... Snow jobs are how prosecutors turn suspicion into convictions from juries. Lawyers aren't scientists, but YOU should be, otherwise you can't claim to know what's going on. Lawyers have agendas: Prosecutors seek to prosecute, and defenders seek to defend. So far, you've been far into the prosecutor's camp: biased and prejudiced, which is what I've been saying all along. I "get" that you hate Trump, but maybe you shouldn't be driven by bias and emotion. By allowing yourself to be so driven that you fail to look at ALL of the data is how people get manipulated by TPTB. And YOU don't want to be manipulated, do you?
Monday, November 20, 2017 9:27 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECONDQuote: Robert Mueller needs to persuade grand juries ... [and] tell a story that a judge or a jury can follow In other words, Mueller needs to spin a yarn? Maybe you need to tell that to THUGR, since HE seems to believe that "the truth" should figure into this somehow. One of the things I'm really good at (in my job) is letting the data speak to me. You just gotta throw the data on the table and absorb it, without trying to impose a picture on the data.
Monday, November 20, 2017 10:31 AM
Quote: Do three lawyers have a meeting before a trial and roll the dice to decide who is judge, who is prosecutor, and who is defense attorney? No! They arrive in the courtroom already having taken a side. They have prejudged the case. Are jurors selected at random? No! The defense and prosecution exclude jurors to gain advantage. Trials are in no way dispassionate seeking of the Truth. There is nothing scientific happening in a courtroom. And impeachment is even more manipulative and unscientific. It is a clash of wills. - SECOND
Quote:And here we have it. SIG tells us if Mueller is able to make a case against Trump ( which is seconds point ), he will be lying, spinning a yarn.- THUGR
Monday, November 20, 2017 11:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Do three lawyers have a meeting before a trial and roll the dice to decide who is judge, who is prosecutor, and who is defense attorney? No! They arrive in the courtroom already having taken a side. They have prejudged the case. Are jurors selected at random? No! The defense and prosecution exclude jurors to gain advantage. Trials are in no way dispassionate seeking of the Truth. There is nothing scientific happening in a courtroom. And impeachment is even more manipulative and unscientific. It is a clash of wills. - SECOND SECOND, basically you're saying that you don't give a crap about the truth because you're describing - and excusing- a system in which truth doesn't figure. I KNEW THAT.
Monday, November 20, 2017 8:30 PM
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:46 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I noticed that SECOND didn't disagree with my re-statement, instead he doubled down on it. If you disagree with SECOND's characterization- that Mueller has to "tell a story" that makes sense to a jury - take it up with him, not me. A lot of bullshit from you, a lot of false personal attacks on me and mis-characterizations (lies) about what I've posted. But still, no evidence. WHEN THE EVIDENCE BECOMES FULLY PUBLIC, THEN WE CAN MAKE A JUDGMENT. BUT NOT UNTIL THEN.
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:51 AM
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 9:01 AM
Quote:It was around this time that Donald Trump appears to have attracted the attention of Soviet intelligence. How that happened, and where that relationship began, is an answer hidden somewhere in the KGB's secret archives. Assuming, that is, that the documents still exist.
Quote: Trump's first visit to Soviet Moscow in 1987 looks, with hindsight, to be part of a pattern.... When did the KGB open a file on Donald Trump? We don’t know, but Eastern Bloc security service records
Quote:suggest this may have been as early as 1977
Quote:At this point it is unclear how the KGB regarded Trump ...
Quote: In Dubinina’s account she admits her father [Ambassador to Washington] was trying to hook Trump [for what?] ... Dubinin’s other daughter, Irina, said that her late father— he died in 2013—was on a mission as ambassador. This was, she said, to make contact with America’s business elite. For sure, Gorbachev’s Politburo was interested in understanding capitalism. But [let's ignore what the Ambassadors other daughter said, and claim that the] invitation to Trump to visit Moscow looks like a classic cultivation exercise
Quote: Precisely what Putin did while working for the KGB’s First Directorate in Dresden is unknown.
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ANOTHER long-winded, fact-less article from SECOND! Wow, you really like yarn-spinning, don't you SECOND? But still, NO EVIDENCE.
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: ANOTHER long-winded, fact-less article from SECOND! Wow, you really like yarn-spinning, don't you SECOND? But still, NO EVIDENCE.You are so silly, Signym. Do you really need more "evidence" that "pride, arrogance, egoism, and vanity" are Trump's only characteristics?
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 2:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But still, NO EVIDENCE.Anyone who thinks someone on this site is going to have The Evidence is pretty foolish. Get real. ==============================
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But still, NO EVIDENCE.
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 5:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Do you really need more "evidence" that "pride, arrogance, egoism, and vanity" are Trump's only characteristics?
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: There has been plenty of evidence for us that he's ... been sucking Putin's d for years.
Tuesday, November 21, 2017 8:29 PM
Quote:Well now. That is taking a few steps backward, for the "let's hope and pretend there is evidence" side. Practically abandoning the premise.- JSF None us who believe Trump is guilty of being Trump, "hoped" or "pretended." There has been plenty of evidence for us that he's a piece of sh*t- GSTRING
Quote: and has been sucking Putin's d for years.- GSTRING
Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:46 AM
Quote: Hate to disappoint you *jeanuses* but neither you nor I nor anyone here have the resources and legal power and authority of Mueller, so how would we know what he knows? For such a simple question you don't seem smart enough or honest enough to know the answer.- GSTRING
Wednesday, November 22, 2017 12:36 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:26 PM
Quote:You keep saying there's NO EVIDENCE, and I keep asking "How do you know?"- GSTRING
Quote: ... you keep dodging the question. - GSTRING
Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:29 PM
Quote: I see no evidens that the GRU social media soldierz arent getting overtime pay here.- JO
Wednesday, November 22, 2017 3:00 PM
Quote:You keep saying there's NO EVIDENCE, and I keep asking "How do you know?"- GSTRING I know because none of you have brought it here.- SIGNY Oiy. I mean this sincerely: I know you are not dumb enough to believe that any of us would have the resources to KNOW what Mueller knows, so please stop making yourself look foolish. It would be great to have an honest debate about Trump - your president - and the horrible things he's doing, wouldn't it? Even any of the good things he's doing if you can find any.- GSTRING
Quote:More gross over statement on your part - you make yourself look desperate when you do this: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Despite the fact that you (you, THUGR, DULL, JO, KRAPO, and SECONDRATE) have been frantically scouring the media for anything that would bolster your claims about the very item that you've all been hounding about ... Trump's "collusion with Russia to win the election" .... Remember? Wasn't that what you all were stressing about not six short months ago? It was all you could post about! ... none of you have been able to find anything. Not frantic - what would be the point? None of us can do anything to him if we found The Evidence anyway, so again, silly on your part.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Despite the fact that you (you, THUGR, DULL, JO, KRAPO, and SECONDRATE) have been frantically scouring the media for anything that would bolster your claims about the very item that you've all been hounding about ... Trump's "collusion with Russia to win the election" .... Remember? Wasn't that what you all were stressing about not six short months ago? It was all you could post about! ... none of you have been able to find anything.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I've already said that we need for Mueller to come out with whatever evidence he has - I'm assuming he had evidence of SOMEthing, altho it's probably not about "collusion with Russia to win the election". When Mueller comes out with his indictments, then we'll have something to talk about. Until then, it's just rumor, accusation, and hysteria.- SIGNY It feels to me like you have been the one being hysterical. I can't figure why you care so much when people say bad things about Trump, but there you are, post after post calling us names and pointing fingers and saying NO EVIDENCE!- GSTRING
Thursday, November 23, 2017 9:09 AM
Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:04 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Focus, GSTRING, focus. This whole thread is open for any actual EVIDENCE of "collusion" with Russia, and so far ....
Thursday, November 23, 2017 10:07 AM
Thursday, November 23, 2017 11:46 AM
Quote: Bullshit and subterfuge. I've said I hated Clinton dozens of times since her campaign began. My only words of kindness towards her was that she would be way better than Trump for this country. A fact we see reinforced daily. - THUGR
Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Bullshit and subterfuge. I've said I hated Clinton dozens of times since her campaign began. My only words of kindness towards her was that she would be way better than Trump for this country. A fact we see reinforced daily. - THUGR Yes, you have posted this before, But when I asked you for LINKS to your previous statements, you didn't provide any. Now, the only reason why I'm asking your to quote yourself and provide links is because I recall NO SUCH STATEMENTS from you. Not that I'm calling you a liar, but I sure would like to see some EVIDENCE that you ever posted any such statements.
Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:48 PM
Thursday, November 23, 2017 12:55 PM
Quote:Sounds like you work for Trump to me. Can't even remember your own threads or how to find them. It's all there, and you know that.- THUGR
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