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Grifter Donald Trump Has Been Indicted And Yes Arrested; Four Times Now And Counting. Hey Jack, I Was Right

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yes, and that is EXACTLY what YOU do. "Trumptards", Russians, the overwhelming majority of people in the world... all less than human to you. "Hairless chimps" you called us. Orcs. Not worthy to live. Extermination fodder.

I haven't heard Trump use the language that you use. I haven't heard PUTIN use the language that you do. Only you and fascists like you.

And no, I don't approve.
Signym, that is truly a blah-blah-blah answer. You must love the sound of your own voice, as Trump loves his. His psychology is monumentally prickly:

At the Waco rally, Trump declared, “I am your warrior. I am your justice.” He added, “For those who have been wronged and betrayed, of which there are many people out there that have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.” Trump has described 2024 as “our final battle.” He means it; so do tens of millions of his supporters.

That Trump would say what he’s said and done what he’s done is no surprise. And he’s been entirely transparent about who he is. The most troubling aspect of this whole troubling drama has been the people in the Republican Party who, though they know better, have accommodated themselves to Trump time after time after time. Some cheer him on; others silently go along for the ride. A few gently criticize him and then quickly change topics. But they never leave him.

By now I know how this plays out: For most Republicans to acknowledge — to others and even to themselves — what Trump truly is and still stay loyal to him would create enormous cognitive dissonance. Their mind won’t allow them to go there; instead, they find ways to ease the inner conflict. And so they embrace conspiracy theories to support what they desperately want to believe — for example, that the election was stolen, or that the investigation into Russian ties to the 2016 Trump campaign was a “hoax,” or that Joe Biden has committed impeachable offenses. They indulge in whataboutism and catastrophism — the belief that society is on the edge of collapse — to justify their support for Trump. They have a burning psychological need to rationalize why, in this moment in history, the ends justify the means.

As one Trump supporter put it in an email to me earlier this month, “Trump is decidedly not good and decent” — but, he added, “good and decent isn’t getting us very far politically.” And: “We’ve tried good and decent. But at the ballot box, that doesn’t work. We need to try another way.”

This sentiment is one I’ve heard many times before. In 2016, during the Republican primaries, a person I had known for many years through church wrote to me. “I think we have likely slipped past the point of no return as a country and I’m desperately hoping for a leader who can turn us around. I have no hope that one of the establishment guys would do that. That, I believe, is what opens people up to Trump. He’s all the bad things you say, but what has the Republican establishment given me in the past 16 years?”

If I had told this individual in 2016 what Trump would say and do over the next eight years, I’m confident he would have laughed it off, dismissing it as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” — and that he would have assured me that if Trump did do all these things, then, of course, he would break with him. Yet here we are. Despite Trump’s well-documented depravity, he still has a vise grip on the GOP; he carried 94 percent of the Republican vote in 2020, an increase from 2016, and he is leading his closest primary challenger nationally by more than 45 points.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/trump-becoming-frigh
teningly-clear-about-what-he-wants/676086/

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Wednesday, November 29, 2023 4:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Once again misrepresenting what people say.

Nonstop lies from the son of the father of lies.



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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM



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Wednesday, November 29, 2023 4:54 PM

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Trump suddenly loses his BIGGEST lifeline in Georgia trial






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Wednesday, November 29, 2023 10:09 PM

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Tick Tock

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Lawrence O'Donnell: Trump believes telling these lies works for him


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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

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What Happened When the U.S. Failed to Prosecute an Insurrectionist Ex-President

After the Civil War, Jefferson Davis, the President of the Confederacy, was to be tried for treason. Does the debacle hold lessons for the trials awaiting Donald Trump?

By Jill Lepore | December 4, 2023
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The American Presidency is draped in a cloak of impunity. If Davis had been tried and convicted, things might have been different.

Jefferson Davis, the half-blind ex-President of the Confederate States of America, leaned on a cane as he hobbled into a federal courthouse in Richmond, Virginia. Only days before, a Chicago Tribune reporter, who’d met Davis on the boat ride to Richmond, had written that “his step is light and elastic.” But in court, facing trial for treason, Davis, fifty-eight, gave every appearance of being bent and broken. A reporter from Kentucky described him as “a gaunt and feeble-looking man,” wearing a soft black hat and a sober black suit, as if he were a corpse. He’d spent two years in a military prison. He wanted to be released. A good many Americans wanted him dead. “We’ll hang Jeff Davis from a sour-apple tree,” they sang to the tune of “John Brown’s Body.”

Davis knew the courthouse well. Richmond had been the capital of the Confederacy and the courthouse its headquarters. The rebel President and his cabinet had used the courtroom as a war room, covering its walls with maps. He’d used the judge’s chambers as his Presidential office. He’d last left that room on the night of April 2, 1865, while Richmond fell.

Two years later, when Davis doddered into that courtroom, many of the faces he saw were Black. Among the two hundred spectators, a quarter were Black freedmen. And then the grand jury filed in. Six of its eighteen members were Black, the first Black men to serve on a federal grand jury. Fields Cook, born a slave, was a Baptist minister. John Oliver, born free, had spent much of his life in Boston. George Lewis Seaton’s mother, Lucinda, had been enslaved at Mount Vernon. Cornelius Liggan Harris, a Black shoemaker, later recalled how, when he took his seat with the grand jury and eyed the defendant, “he looked on me and smiled.”

Not many minutes later, Davis walked out a free man, released on bail. And not too many months after that the federal government’s case against him fell apart. There’s no real consensus about why. The explanation that Davis’s lawyer Charles O’Conor liked best had to do with Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment, known as the disqualification clause, which bars from federal office anyone who has ever taken an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States and later “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.” O’Conor argued that Section 3’s ban on holding office was a form of punishment and that to try Davis for treason would therefore amount to double jeopardy. It’s a different kind of jeopardy lately. In the aftermath of the insurrection at the Capitol on January 6, 2021, legal scholars, including leading conservatives, have argued that the clause disqualifies Donald Trump from running for President. Challenges calling for Trump’s name to be blocked from ballots have been filed in twenty-eight states. Eleven cases have been dismissed by courts or voluntarily withdrawn. The Supreme Court might have the final say.

The American Presidency is draped in a red-white-and-blue cloak of impunity. Trump is the first President to have been impeached twice and the first ex-President to have been criminally indicted. If he’s convicted and sentenced and—unlikeliest of all—goes to prison, he will be the first in those dishonors, too. He faces four criminal trials, for a total of ninety-one felony charges. Thirty-four of those charges concern the alleged Stormy Daniels coverup, forty address Trump’s handling of classified documents containing national-defense information, and the remainder, divided between a federal case in Washington, D.C., and a state case in Georgia, relate to his efforts to overturn the 2020 Presidential election, including by inciting an armed insurrection to halt the certification of the Electoral College vote by a joint session of Congress. His very infamy is unprecedented.

The insurrection at the Capitol cost seven lives. The Civil War cost seven hundred thousand. And yet Jefferson Davis was never held responsible for any of those deaths. His failed conviction leaves no trail. Still, it had consequences. If Davis had been tried and convicted, the cloak of Presidential impunity would be flimsier. Leniency for Davis also bolstered the cause of white supremacy. First elected to the Senate, from Mississippi, in 1848, Davis believed in slavery, states’ rights, and secession, three ideas in one. Every state had a right to secede, Davis insisted in his farewell address to the Senate, in 1861, and Mississippi had every reason to because “the theory that all men are created free and equal” had been “made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions,” meaning slavery. Weeks later, Davis became the President of the Confederacy. His Vice-President, Alexander Stephens, said that the cornerstone of the new government “rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man.” Trump could win his Lost Cause, too.

Davis fled Richmond seven days before Robert E. Lee surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant at Appomattox. “I’m bound to oppose the escape of Jeff. Davis,” Abraham Lincoln reportedly told General William Tecumseh Sherman, “but if you could manage to have him slip out unbeknownst-like, I guess it wouldn’t hurt me much.” After Lincoln was shot and killed, on April 15th, his successor, Andrew Johnson, issued a proclamation charging that Lincoln’s assassination had been “incited, concerted, and procured by” Davis and offering a reward of a hundred thousand dollars for his arrest.

Union troops captured Davis in Georgia on May 10th as he attempted to sneak out of a tent while wearing his wife’s shawl. He was conveyed to a military prison in Virginia. Captain Henry Wirz, who had served as the commandant of an infamous Confederate prison in Andersonville, Georgia, where thirteen thousand Union soldiers died of starvation and exposure, was captured three days before Davis. Tried before a military commission, Wirz was found guilty and hanged.

From the start, the prosecution of the former rebel President was more complicated. “I never cease to regret that Jeff. Davis was not shot at the time of his capture,” the dauntless Massachusetts senator Charles Sumner said. Sumner wanted Davis tried, like Wirz, before a military commission. “I am anxiously looking forward to Jefferson Davis’s Trial,” the Columbia law professor Francis Lieber wrote to Sumner at the close of Wirz’s trial. But “suppose he is not found guilty; is he not, in that case, completely restored to his citizenship, and will he not sit by your side again in the Senate? And be the Democratic candidate for the next presidency? I do not joke.”

Lieber, who grew up in Prussia, had taught at South Carolina College for twenty years before moving to Columbia, in 1857. “Behold in me the symbol of civil war,” he once wrote. A son of his who fought for the Confederacy had been killed; another, who fought for the Union, had lost an arm. During the war, Lieber had prepared a set of rules of war that Lincoln issued as General Orders 100, better known as the Lieber Code. (It later formed the framework of the Geneva Convention.) Edwin Stanton, the Secretary of War, appointed Lieber to head the newly created Archive Office, charged with collecting Confederate records. Lieber fully expected to find evidence showing a “perfect connexion” between Davis and Lincoln’s assassination. That evidence was not forthcoming. Johnson vacillated, but by the end of 1865 he decided that he wanted Davis tried not for war crimes but for treason.

The Constitution defines treason as levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies. If Davis couldn’t be convicted of treason, the Philadelphia Inquirer remarked, “we may as well . . . expunge at once the word from our dictionaries.” Although Congress had modified the definition of treason in 1862, there remained ambiguity about what distinguished it from rebellion or insurrection. Lieber hoped that the prosecution would “stamp treason as treason,” but he was worried. “The whole Rebellion is beyond the Constitution,” he maintained. “The Constitution was not made for such a state of things.” In 1864, he quietly circulated to Congress a list of proposed constitutional amendments, including one that would end slavery, or what became the Thirteenth Amendment. (“Let us have no ‘slavery is dead,’ ” he wrote to Sumner. “It is not dead. Nothing is dead until it is killed.”) He also proposed an amendment guaranteeing equal rights regardless of race, or what became the Fourteenth Amendment. And he proposed an amendment clarifying the relationship between treason and rebellion: “It shall be a high crime directly to incite to armed resistance to the authority of the United States, or to establish or to join Societies or Combinations, secret or public, the object of which is to offer armed resistance to the authority of the United States, or to prepare for the same by collecting arms, organizing men, or otherwise.” Lieber’s Insurrection Amendment was never ratified. If it had been, Americans would live in a very different country.

Can Donald Trump get a fair trial? Is trying Trump the best thing for the nation? Is the possibility of acquittal worth the risk? Every trial on charges related to the insurrection gives him a stage for making the case that he won the 2020 election, any acquittal will be taken as a vindication, and his supporters will question the legitimacy of any conviction. But failure to try him is an affront not only to democracy but to decency.

In 1865, plenty of Americans wanted Davis tried without delay. A rope-maker from Illinois wrote to Johnson, volunteering to make the rope to hang him. But U.S. Attorney General James Speed, belying his name, wanted to slow things down. Americans were still mourning Lincoln and all that they had lost in the war. Speed, cautious by nature, wanted temperatures to cool. Many feared that bringing Davis to trial risked handing a rather stunning victory to the defeated Confederacy, as the legal historian Cynthia Nicoletti argued in a brilliant and exhaustively researched 2017 book, “Secession on Trial: The Treason Prosecution of Jefferson Davis.” To a charge of treason, Davis was expected to respond that he had forfeited his American citizenship when Mississippi seceded from the United States, and you cannot commit treason against another country. According to Nicoletti, the worry that an acquittal would have established the constitutionality of secession meant that interest in prosecuting Davis simply evaporated. There are other views. In a 2019 book, “Treason on Trial: The United States v. Jefferson Davis,” Robert Icenhauer-Ramirez, a former criminal-defense attorney, wrote that the prosecution unravelled because the men involved in it had towering political ambitions and were unwilling to risk losing so prominent a case. Neither explanation covers all the facts.

One hurdle had to do with the venue. Johnson’s advisers disagreed about whether a military commission could, in peacetime, conduct a trial for treason. For the sake of both fairness and political legitimacy, it seemed safest to conduct the trial in a civilian court. That would require holding the trial where Davis had allegedly committed the crime, which meant Richmond. But what jury in the former capital of the Confederacy would possibly convict Davis of treason?

Lieber proposed a constitutional amendment to deal with this problem, too. One draft read, “Trials for Treason or Sedition shall be in the State or district in which they shall have been committed unless the administration of justice in the respective State or district shall have been impeded by the state of things caused by the commission of the criminal acts which are to be tried.” In other words, you shouldn’t have to try someone for treason in a state where you can’t possibly convict him of treason. That proposal went nowhere. A doctrine called “constructive presence,” which informed the 1807 prosecution of Aaron Burr, might have argued for holding the trial in a Northern state—the governor of Indiana, for instance, volunteered to try Davis in his state, where the Confederate Army had marauded. But Speed, exercising the greatest possible caution, resolved that the case would be tried in Richmond, partly because Salmon P. Chase, the Chief Justice of the United States, was on the U.S. circuit court in Richmond. (At the time, Supreme Court Justices rode circuit.) Chase, who had previously served Ohio as a U.S. senator and as its governor, was best known for his abolitionism (people called him “the attorney general for fugitive slaves”) and for his ambition (he was, it was said, as “ambitious as Julius Caesar”). In 1864, even while he was Lincoln’s Secretary of the Treasury, he had sought the Republican nomination for President, after which Lincoln accepted his resignation and nominated him to the Supreme Court. Speed hoped that Chase’s presence on the bench at the Davis trial, alongside a district-court judge, would provide the proper degree of authority and solemnity. This didn’t solve the jury problem.

Then there was the question of the lawyers. Speed assigned the case to the federal district attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, Lucius H. Chandler, who had virtually no trial experience. Having moved to Virginia from Maine, and never having supported the Confederacy, Chandler was one of only two lawyers in Virginia who had not been disqualified from practicing in federal court in Richmond owing to disloyalty. Speed brought in the New York lawyer William Evarts to direct the prosecution. Evarts, nearly as ambitious as Chase, was happy to participate in what he called “the greatest criminal trial of the age.” But he left the legwork to Chandler.

Davis, still in military prison, arranged for his wife, Varina, to retain Charles O’Conor, the celebrated New York trial lawyer and pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer. “I have not left a stone unturned under which there crept a living thing,” O’Conor liked to say. He was among the most famous lawyers in the country; he was also despised by Black Americans. An editorial in a Black newspaper based in San Francisco declared that he was “as great a traitor as Jeff Davis.” O’Conor’s strategy for his new client was to delay a trial for as long as possible, while the national mood cooled. Luckily for O’Conor, slow-rolling is what Speed wanted, too.

Lieber was not wrong to worry that Davis could run for President. In January, 1866, Alexander Stephens, the former Vice-President of the Confederacy, was elected to the Senate. Two former Confederate senators and four former Confederate congressmen had also been sent to the Thirty-ninth Congress, which had convened the previous month for its second session. The clerk refused to call their names at roll, and they were never sworn in. But their presence made clear the need for measures keeping “from positions of public trust of, at least, a portion of those whose crimes have proved them to be enemies to the Union, and unworthy of public confidence,” as a congressional committee wrote.

A fifteen-man Joint Committee on Reconstruction began considering proposals to disqualify former Confederates from federal office and, at the same time, to guarantee the equal citizenship of freedmen. In January, 1866, the committee held hearings to inquire into the delay in prosecuting Davis, and called the Virginia judge in charge of the case, John C. Underwood. A New York-born abolitionist and Radical Republican appointed to the U.S. District Court by Lincoln in 1864, Underwood had issued a series of rulings protecting equal rights, declaring, in one case, that “all distinction of color must be abolished.” He’d also suggested that he intended to sell Davis’s Mississippi plantation to ex-slaves for a half-dollar an acre. White Virginians despised him; the feeling appears to have been mutual. The committee asked Underwood whether any jury in Virginia was likely to convict Davis of treason. “Not unless it is what is called a packed jury,” Underwood answered. The committee then summoned Robert E. Lee, who offered a similar assessment:

Question. Suppose the jury should be clearly and plainly instructed by the court that such an act of war upon the United States, on the part of Mr. Davis, or any other leading man, constituted in itself the crime of treason under the Constitution of the United States; would the jury be likely to heed that instruction, and if the facts were plainly in proof before them, convict the offender?

Answer. I do not know, sir, what they would do on that question.

Question. They do not generally suppose that it was treason against the United States, do they?

Answer. I do not think that they so consider it.

What about a Black jury? Black men were banned from jury service, with dreadful consequences. In 1865 and 1866, in five hundred trials of whites accused of killing Blacks in Texas, all-white juries found all five hundred defendants not guilty. “Are our lives, honor, and liberties to be left in the hands of men who are laboring under the most stubborn and narrow prejudice?” the editor of one Black newspaper asked. In March, Congress passed the Civil Rights Act, which enshrined the right to testify in criminal trials. Johnson, in a statement that the attorney Henry Stanbery helped craft, vetoed the bill, warning that it might lead to Congress declaring “who, without regard to color or race, shall have the right to sit as a juror.” Congress overrode the veto, and kept on with the work of extending rights to Black men and denying them to former Confederates. In April, the Radical Republican Thaddeus Stevens added to the proposed Fourteenth Amendment a new section that would disqualify from Congress any former federal officeholders or servicemen who had taken “part in the late insurrection.” There followed much discussion of who, exactly, was to be disqualified, with one version of the amendment stating, “The President and Vice-President of the late Confederate States of America so-called . . . are declared to be forever ineligible to any office under the United States.” This, however, was not the version that Congress sent to the states for ratification, in June, which, in any case, the states of the former Confederacy refused to ratify. Congress, one North Carolinian said, wanted Southerners to “drink our own piss and eat our own dung.”

Lieber grew resigned to a foul outcome. “The trial of Jeff. Davis will be a terrible thing,” he thought. “Volumes—a library—of the most infernal treason will be brought to light,” but “Davis will not be found guilty, and we shall stand there completely beaten.” Frederick Douglass blamed Johnson, predicting, as a newspaper reported, that “Davis would never be punished, simply because Mr. Johnson had determined to have him tried in the one way that he could not be tried, and had determined not to have him tried in the only way he could be tried.” And, even if he were tried, any verdict would be appealed to the Supreme Court, which, in the aftermath of the Dred Scott decision, could hardly be said to have enjoyed unqualified confidence. Harper’s Weekly asked, “Does anybody mean seriously to assert that the right of this Government to exist is a question for a court to decide?” Will Americans trust the Supreme Court to decide a question of such moment in 2024?

Donald Trump has made much of the fact that three of the prosecutors who are heading prosecutions against him are Black: Fani Willis, the district attorney of Fulton County, Georgia; Letitia James, the attorney general of New York; and Alvin Bragg, the district attorney of Manhattan. Trump has labelled the three prosecutors “racist,” calls Bragg an “animal” and James “Peekaboo,” and insists that the charges against him are both politically and racially motivated. Sometimes it feels as if the century and a half separating the trial of Jefferson Davis from the trials of Donald Trump were as nothing.

In March, 1867, again overriding Johnson’s veto, Congress passed the Military Reconstruction Act, which called for the occupation of the former Confederacy by the U.S. Army and stipulated that no state could reenter the Union without first ratifying the Fourteenth Amendment. Congress also endorsed jury service for Black men. In Texas, when the military governor announced that Black men would be allowed on juries, some judges refused to hold court. In Virginia, Underwood impaneled Black jurors for Davis’s trial. Many Northerners approved. “The trial of Jefferson Davis, for leading the Rebellion in behalf of Slavery, should be before a jury made up in part of freedmen, if only for the historic justice, not to say the dramatic beauty and harmony, of such a denouement,” the New York Tribune wrote. But Southern newspapers expressed disgust at the “African quota of the Grand Jury,” describing the men, swearing an oath on the Bible, as having “smacked their lips over the sacred volume when permitted to get at it.” And an editorial that ran in both the North and the South asked, “If Davis is to stand before a nigger jury, what becomes of the notion that a man is to be tried by a jury of his peers?”

When a new trial date came—June 5, 1866—Davis wasn’t there; he was in military prison. Lucius Chandler stayed home sick. Chief Justice Chase spent the day in his library in Washington, where he wrote a letter to his daughter. Outside his window, he could hear a newsboy crying, “ ‘Dai-l-y Chron-i-cle!, full account of ’ something I don’t understand what and ‘trial of Jeff Davis!’ ” O’Conor, knowing that Chase wouldn’t be there, didn’t bother to show up, either. Chase maintained that he could not possibly attend a civilian court in Virginia, because the state was still under military rule. Chase planned to run for President in 1868, and he wanted no part in the trial of Jefferson Davis. He had his eye on the election.

Underwood rescheduled the trial for October. But the Chief Justice had no intention of showing up in October, either. Meanwhile, any momentum there ever was to prosecute Davis withered as congressional Republicans pursued Reconstruction, a plan that involved treating the former Confederacy as a conquered nation. If a trial were held and Davis argued that he could not have committed treason because, after Mississippi seceded, he was no longer a U.S. citizen, the government would have to argue that he had always been a U.S. citizen. But if he had been a U.S. citizen during the war, then the Confederacy had not been a foreign belligerent, and the U.S. could not justify its occupation of the region as a “conquered province.” Under these circumstances, Radical Republicans became some of Davis’s most ardent defenders. Gerrit Smith, a fiery abolitionist, helped post bail, and that fiercest of congressional radicals, Thaddeus Stevens, secretly offered to represent Davis.

Over the summer, Speed resigned: he supported the Fourteenth Amendment; Johnson opposed it. In Speed’s place, Johnson appointed Stanbery, who’d written the President’s veto of the Civil Rights Act. When Chandler travelled to Washington to confer with Evarts and Stanbery, the new Attorney General explained that he not only wouldn’t lead the prosecution but also wouldn’t attend the trial. The three men decided not to object to O’Conor’s request that Davis be released on bail. And so it was that on May 13, 1867, Jefferson Davis walked into the federal courthouse in Richmond, eyed the grand jury, and smiled. (Grand jurors operate in secrecy and would not normally appear at such a hearing, but Underwood had seemingly insisted on the presence of the mixed-race jury, to serve, as he said, as “ocular evidence that the age of caste and class cruelty is departed, and a new era of justice and equality, breaking through the clouds of persecution and prejudice, is now dawning.”) When the prosecution said that it was not prepared for trial, Underwood agreed to release Davis on bail. “The business is finished,” O’Conor wrote to his wife. “Mr. Davis will never be called up to appear for trial.”

A new trial date was set, for November 25th. No one expected the prosecution to be ready. Two years after Davis’s arrest, Chandler had still not conducted any investigation, or prepared a superseding indictment. Underwood told Speed that he believed Chandler was a Confederate sympathizer who was making money by selling pardons. But it may well be that the prospect of Black men on the jury led the government to abandon the prosecution, fearful that Black men issuing a verdict that condemned a white man to death would inflame the country beyond any possibility of repair. O’Conor at one point assured Varina Davis, “Chandler professes the kindest disposition and says he will try to get a White jury. But this is impossible. Underwood is a devoted courtier at the feet of Sambo and there is no appeal from his decisions.” The trial jury, O’Conor warned, “will be composed of 8 or 9 negroes and 3 or 4 of the meanest whites who can be found in Richmond.” He wrote to Varina, “I find it impossible to believe that we are destined to play parts in a farce so contemptible as a trial before Underwood and a set of recently emancipated Negroes, but it is equally impossible to assert with confidence that the thing will not happen.”

The thing did not happen. On the day the trial was to begin, a crowd assembled in Richmond to wait for the train from Washington. “The colored population seemed to take a deep interest in the proceedings, and were on hand en masse,” a correspondent for the New York Times reported. The train pulled up. “Has Mr. Chase come?” people cried. He had not. At the courthouse, Underwood announced that the court was adjourned. It’s one of the sorriest moments of the whole sorry story. A newspaper reported that there had been a crowd outside the courthouse, “consisting chiefly of blacks,” but upon hearing the announcement the crowd “quietly dispersed.” No justice, only peace. And peace is not enough.

Then as now, what one half of the country thought best for the country the other half thought worst. In February, 1868, the House impeached Johnson, having investigated him for, among other things, intentionally derailing the Davis prosecution. Lieber favored impeachment, not least for the precedent that it would establish. “As to history, it will be a wonderful thing to have the ruler over a large country removed for the first time without revolution,” he wrote. The same hesitancy that derailed the Davis prosecution derailed the Johnson impeachment: so grave a thing, to try a king. In any event, the Johnson impeachment trial grossly interfered with the Davis treason trial. At the Senate impeachment trial, Chase presided, as Chief Justice, and Evarts led Johnson’s defense, joined by Stanbery (who had resigned his position as Attorney General), which led to yet more postponements.

There was one last gasp. With Chandler’s term as district attorney expiring in June, Evarts recruited the Boston lawyer Richard Henry Dana to join the prosecution. Dana worked hard to prepare for trial. In a Richmond hotel, he and Evarts readied a new, fourteen-count indictment, based on the testimony of multiple witnesses, including Robert E. Lee, who had testified against Davis before a new grand jury. (Evarts wrote a parody of Chandler’s earlier, cursory indictment: “I have arrived at the fact that J.D. used to wear a Confederate uniform on great occasions, and have a witness who can prove it, in the person of a colored waiter who came to me last evening.”) But Dana reluctantly concluded that the trial should not proceed. What seemed more urgent was to disqualify Davis from ever again holding public office; sending him back to prison, or, God knows, hanging him, could have been almost as bad for the country as acquitting him. Dana drafted a letter of resignation on both lawyers’ behalf, and sent it to Evarts, who pocketed it, unsure what to do.

By the time Chase and Underwood finally held court together in Richmond, in December, 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment had been ratified, and Chase had discreetly suggested to the defense a new line of reasoning: that Davis could no longer be prosecuted for treason because, having been disqualified for office upon the amendment’s ratification (“It needs no legislation on the part of Congress to give it effect,” the defense said), he had already been punished. O’Conor gleefully offered up this argument, suggested to him by the Chief Justice himself. Dana, who knew the argument to be nonsense, countered that the Constitution is not a criminal code and that being disqualified from office is not a penalty. Chase agreed with O’Conor; Underwood agreed with Dana. The case would have gone to the Supreme Court. But, on Christmas Day, Johnson pardoned “every person who directly or indirectly participated in the late insurrection or rebellion,” and, not long after that, the prosecution entered a nolle prosequi. The end.

It has been nearly three years since the Capitol attack. In November, a district-court judge in Colorado found that Trump did indeed engage in insurrection against the United States, but the judge refused to order the removal of Trump’s name from the state’s primary ballot. Will the Supreme Court find that the Fourteenth Amendment disqualifies Trump? Will any jury in New York, Florida, Georgia, or Washington, D.C., convict him of a crime? He could be acquitted. Or he could be convicted, win the Presidency, and pardon himself. Whatever the outcome, it will be contested by half the country, and there will be a cost, which won’t be borne equally.

Amnesty is a kind of charity. It is not usually given with malice toward none. “More than six years having elapsed since the last hostile gun was fired between the armies then arrayed against each other,” Ulysses S. Grant told Congress in 1871, “it may well be considered whether it is not now time that the disabilities imposed by the Fourteenth Amendment should be removed.” Over the objections of the first Black members of Congress, Congress voted for a general amnesty. In the Senate, Charles Sumner tried to attach civil-rights provisions to the bill, on the ground that both measures involved the removal of disabilities and the guarantee of rights. “Now that it is proposed that we should be generous to those who were engaged in the rebellion,” Sumner said, “I insist upon justice to the colored race everywhere throughout this land.” Or, as the Black congressman Joseph Rainey said of ex-Confederates, “We are willing to accord them their enfranchisement, and here today give our votes that they may be amnestied,” but “there is another class of citizens in this country who have certain dear rights and immunities which they would like you, sirs, to remember and respect.” The amnesty bill passed, without civil-rights guarantees. A civil-rights bill did pass in 1875; eight years later, the Supreme Court found it unconstitutional.

Salmon Chase ran for President in 1868 and 1872 and lost. Lieber died in 1872, Chase and Underwood in 1873, Sumner in 1874. In 1876, Lucius Chandler put stones in his pockets and drowned himself. Jefferson Davis died of a cold in 1889, at the age of eighty-one. He was buried in New Orleans; his remains were later moved to Richmond. In 2020, Black Lives Matter protesters pulled down an eight-foot-tall statue of him that had been made by Edward Valentine and erected on Richmond’s Monument Avenue in 1907. The fifteen-hundred-pound statue—defaced, toppled, and streaked with paint—is currently on display in a room at Richmond’s Valentine museum, whose founding president was the sculptor himself. In 2021, a group calling itself White Lies Matter stole a stone chair dedicated to Davis from a cemetery in Selma, and held it for ransom. Harper’s reported this fall, “A New Orleans tattoo shop owner was cleared of charges in a ransom plot to turn the Jefferson Davis memorial chair into a toilet.”

Aside from that single day in Richmond in May of 1867, Davis never appeared in a courtroom to defend himself against the charge of treason. But, for the Presidential trial that never happened, twenty-four men had been assembled for a jury pool. Twelve of them were Black. So momentous was the occasion that the twenty-four men sat for a photograph: twelve white men and twelve Black men posed, cheek by jowl, hands on one another’s shoulders, the picture of a promise. Joseph Cox was a blacksmith who, like his fellow-juror Lewis Lindsey, served as a delegate to Virginia’s 1867 constitutional convention. At the event, where delegates elected Underwood to preside over the proceedings, Lindsey proposed a disqualification clause, which would bar former supporters of the Confederacy from holding office. John B. Miller, born free, worked as a barber; he was later elected to the Virginia House of Delegates. Albert Royal Brooks, born into slavery in 1817, had bought the freedom of his wife, Lucy Goode, their three youngest children, “and the future increase of the females”—his own unborn, nor yet conceived, children and grandchildren—for eight hundred dollars. Lucy Goode Brooks had a cameo made: a silhouette of her husband taken from that photograph of him as a juror called to determine whether Jefferson Davis had committed treason against the United States. She wore it as a brooch for the rest of her life.

An earlier version of this article incorrectly described Letitia James’s case against Donald Trump.

Published in the print edition of the December 11, 2023, issue, with the headline “The Mistrial.”

Download a free copy of Cynthia Nicoletti’s Secession on Trial: The Treason Prosecution of Jefferson Davis from the mirrors at https://libgen.is//search.php?req=Cynthia+Nicoletti

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Donald Trump's Lawyer's Ominous Prediction for Trial Comes True

According to CNN sources, prosecutors have officially listed the former vice president as a witness who could be called to testify at trial. However witness lists have not been made public and Newsweek was unable to verify this information.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-s-lawyer-s-ominou
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Too funny...

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The Special Counsel files his 404(b) notice

By Joyce Vance | Dec 6, 2023

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/what-jack-smith-says

Jack Smith has filed his 404(b) notice, advising the Court and Trump of other crimes and bad acts committed by Trump that he intends to offer as evidence when the D.C. election interference case goes to trial. The notice is nine pages long, you can read the whole thing here.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.us
courts.dcd.258148.176.0_1.pdf

It contains a tremendous amount of new information about the case Smith intends to make against Trump. This is the best window we’ve had in on his strategy since the four count indictment was unsealed in August.

Smith starts by advising the court that he intends to provide it with “extensive advance notice” of the evidence he’s going to introduce at trial in pleadings, including exhibit and witness lists, pre-trial motions, and his trial brief (a detailed layout prosecutors file in advance of trial discussing their evidence and issues they believe might come up during the trial). This is good news for all of us — it means we’ll have access to much if not all of this information as well.

You’ll recall that in “The Week Ahead” we took a look at Federal Rule of Evidence 404(b), which required Smith to file this notice.
https://joycevance.substack.com/p/the-week-ahead-b85

This rule tells prosecutors they can’t offer evidence that a defendant committed bad acts or crimes beyond what’s charged in the indictment to try and show that the defendant has a propensity to commit crimes, that he’s a bad guy. But the rule permits prosecutors to use the evidence for other purposes. Jack Smith tells the court that all of the evidence he’s going to introduce at trial is “intrinsic to the charged crimes” — in other words, admissible without the need to resort to Rule 404(b) because it’s part of the conduct Trump is charged with in the indictment. But, hedging his bets, Smith advises the court that in the alternative, any evidence the court might deem “extrinsic” is still admissible under 404(b) to prove “motive, intent, preparation, knowledge, absence of mistake, and common plan.”

This is important. As much as getting the case to trial and getting a conviction matters in the first instance, making sure that conviction gets affirmed on appeal is paramount in the larger scheme of things. So prosecutors like to have multiple independent arguments to justify a ruling by the appellate court that what happened at trial was proper.

Smith sets that up here, and the judge, who has broad discretion to determine what evidence is admissible at trial, will put on the record whether she is admitting evidence as intrinsic, extrinsic under 404(b), or as Smith suggests, admissible as both. Good judges make a clear record for the court of appeals to consider, and Chutkan has shown she is very good at doing this, most recently as she ruled against Trump on his presidential immunity motion.

But it’s the substance of Smith’s notice that’s so intriguing. He reveals six areas where he’s going to introduce evidence. Let’s dip into the specifics of his plan:

1) Historical Evidence of Trump’s Consistent Plan of Baselessly Claiming Election Fraud:

2) Historical Evidence of Trump’s Plan to Refuse to Commit to a Peaceful Transition of Power:

3) Evidence of Trump and his unindicted Co-Conspirators’ Knowledge of the Unfavorable Election Results and Motive and Intent to Subvert Them:

4) Pre- and Post-Conspiracy Evidence Trump and his Co-Conspirators Suppressed Proof Their Fraud Claims Were False and Retaliated Against Officials Who Undermined Their Criminal Plans:

5) Pre- and Post-Conspiracy Evidence of Trump’s Public Attacks on Individuals, Encouragement of Violence, and Knowledge of the Foreseeable Consequences:

6) Post-Conspiracy Evidence of Trump’s Steadfast Support and Endorsement of Rioters:

Smith says he will introduce evidence that “in the years since the January 6 attack on the Capitol, the defendant has openly and proudly supported individuals who criminally participated in obstructing the congressional certification that day, including by suggesting that he will pardon them if re-elected, even as he has conceded that he had the ability to influence their actions during the attack.”

More at https://joycevance.substack.com/p/what-jack-smith-says

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Trump will be fine.

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Tick Tock
I have never known a Trumptard whose life ended "fine". Trump's won't, either. That's what makes Trumptards so bitter, and makes it so easy for Trump to manipulate them. They see others with fine lives and think it is unfair that theirs isn't fine, too. Can't be the Trumptards' fault. Gotta be the Democrats' fault.


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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Tick Tock
I have never known a Trumptard whose life ended "fine". Trump's won't, either. That's what makes Trumptards so bitter, and makes it so easy for Trump to manipulate them. They see others with fine lives and think it is unfair that theirs isn't fine, too. Can't be the Trumptards' fault. Gotta be the Democrats' fault.


Get fucked, idiot. You're going to die alone without a single person who gives a shit you finally stopped breathing.

Meanwhile...

Trump will be fine.

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Trump fraud witness '100 percent' flopped after admission he is a highly paid liar

During an appearance on MSNBC on Saturday, a laughing former Southern District of New York prosecutor claimed that any advantage Donald Trump might have gained from one of his expert defense witnesses in his $250 million criminal fraud trial likely went out the window when the witness admitted how much he was paid.

Speaking with host Alex Witt, ex-prosecutor Kristy Greenberg claimed it was a "one hundred percent" certainty the money was wasted.

Pointing to New York University accounting professor Eli Bartov telling the court he billed the former president and his PAC $1,350 an hour for his time and testimony — and worked a total of 650 hours making his fee close to $900,000 — Greenberg said that would make it easy for Judge Arthur Engoron to dismiss what he had to say.

"It is interesting, he [Bartov] says he spent 650 hours on this," Greenberg began as she burst into laughter. "You wonder what he is actually looking at over that time. To be fair, to compare, the prosecution witness was paid about $350,000 — he [Bartov] has been paid more than double."

"Here is the other thing to think about: that much money!" host Witt exclaimed. "Is it going to undermine his credibility at all? Like you were paid and, dot, dot, dot."

"One hundred percent!" Greenberg quickly shot back before explaining, "This is a bench trial, you have a judge here, not a jury. The judge is smart, he understands what was happening here. He [Bartov]was paid a handsome sum and he said what Trump wanted him to say."

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-fraud-trial-witness/

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Sunday, December 10, 2023 10:08 AM

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

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Trump will be fine.
Only if "fine" means Trump will be in litigation with the IRS until the day he dies, just like his mentor, infamous tax cheater Roy Cohn, taught him to live. Roy's estate paid a huge "fine" because Roy underpaid taxes for decades.
https://www.google.com/search?q=roy+cohn+trump

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Special counsel goes directly to Supreme Court to resolve whether Trump has immunity from prosecution

Lawyers for the former president have argued that Trump’s alleged actions over the 2020 election results were part of his official duties at the time and therefore he is protected by presidential immunity and Trump is protected by double jeopardy. Defense lawyers have asserted that because Trump was acquitted by the Senate during his impeachment trial he cannot be criminally tried for the same alleged actions.

The question about presidential protections that Trump hopes to use as part of his defense needs to be settled before Trump goes to trial, which is currently scheduled for March 2024.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/special-counsel-trump-jack-smi
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No reason for immunity. Trump didn't do anything wrong.

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No reason for immunity. Trump didn't do anything wrong.
But Trump is asking for immunity because he is NOT as confident as you are that he "didn't do anything wrong." The Supreme Court is not confident Trump is innocent, either:

On Monday evening: The Supreme Court says it will expedite consideration of the petition from Jack Smith to rule on the question of whether Trump deserves immunity from criminal prosecution for election subversion and instructs team Trump to respond by 12/20. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1734340158005428461

The court’s swift response indicates that the justices are taking this very seriously, unlike 6ix, who keeps writing "Trump didn't do anything wrong."

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Monday, December 11, 2023 8:48 PM

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

No reason for immunity. Trump didn't do anything wrong.
But Trump is asking for immunity because he is NOT as confident as you are that he "didn't do anything wrong." The Supreme Court is not confident Trump is innocent, either:

On Monday evening: The Supreme Court says it will expedite consideration of the petition from Jack Smith to rule on the question of whether Trump deserves immunity from criminal prosecution for election subversion and instructs team Trump to respond by 12/20. https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1734340158005428461

The court’s swift response indicates that the justices are taking this very seriously, unlike 6ix, who keeps writing "Trump didn't do anything wrong."

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Trump didn't do anything wrong. And he isn't asking for shit.

The only reason his lawyers are looking for immunity is because that's a quick and easy win for a case that only exists because the guy you put into office and his team like to imprison their political opponents.

Everything you claim that Trump is going to do when he wins in November is exactly what the people you voted for have been doing for 3 years now.



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Jack is a complete moron.

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump didn't do anything wrong. And he isn't asking for shit.

The only reason his lawyers are looking for immunity is because that's a quick and easy win for a case that only exists because the guy you put into office and his team like to imprison their political opponents.

Everything you claim that Trump is going to do when he wins in November is exactly what the people you voted for have been doing for 3 years now.
If the Supreme Court rules that Trump does not have immunity, it is ruling that 6ixStringJack is a lying sack of shit.

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump didn't do anything wrong. And he isn't asking for shit.

The only reason his lawyers are looking for immunity is because that's a quick and easy win for a case that only exists because the guy you put into office and his team like to imprison their political opponents.

Everything you claim that Trump is going to do when he wins in November is exactly what the people you voted for have been doing for 3 years now.
If the Supreme Court rules that Trump does not have immunity, it is ruling that 6ixStringJack is a lying sack of shit.


I don't know what you call that, but it ain't logic.

Trump isn't asking for immunity. His lawyers are. Lawyers are going to lawyer.

I don't believe that Trump or anybody else should have immunity. We already very obviously live in a 2-tiered justice system in this country, and any precedent set by giving Trump immunity here will be used by every crooked politician out there on either side of the aisle.

Trump should not have immunity. Trump should have a fair trial, and with a jury of his peers. He's not getting that right now though either. Every case is headed by a judge appointed by Clinton or Obama, in deep blue districts stuffed with jurors who are going to give Democrats the "right" verdict, at least in the cases that the judge is even allowing Trump a trial by jury, and several of those judges have made public statements making it very clear that these will not be fair trials.


I want full transparency in these cases. Put it all out there for the court of public opinion.

In the end, Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.



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Jack is a complete moron.

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Oh, did the little dog have something to say?

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump didn't do anything wrong. And he isn't asking for shit.

The only reason his lawyers are looking for immunity is because that's a quick and easy win for a case that only exists because the guy you put into office and his team like to imprison their political opponents.

Everything you claim that Trump is going to do when he wins in November is exactly what the people you voted for have been doing for 3 years now.
If the Supreme Court rules that Trump does not have immunity, it is ruling that 6ixStringJack is a lying sack of shit.


I don't know what you call that, but it ain't logic.

Trump isn't asking for immunity. His lawyers are. Lawyers are going to lawyer.

I don't believe that Trump or anybody else should have immunity. We already very obviously live in a 2-tiered justice system in this country, and any precedent set by giving Trump immunity here will be used by every crooked politician out there on either side of the aisle.

Trump should not have immunity. Trump should have a fair trial, and with a jury of his peers. He's not getting that right now though either. Every case is headed by a judge appointed by Clinton or Obama, in deep blue districts stuffed with jurors who are going to give Democrats the "right" verdict, at least in the cases that the judge is even allowing Trump a trial by jury, and several of those judges have made public statements making it very clear that these will not be fair trials.


I want full transparency in these cases. Put it all out there for the court of public opinion.
It all boils down to a number. There are currently 870 authorized Article III judgeships: nine on the Supreme Court, 179 on the courts of appeals, 673 for the district courts and nine on the Court of International Trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_judge

6ix, see that number? 870 Judges. There are 50 states. If each state had 50 judges, which still wouldn't be enough to have swift trials, that would be 2,500 judges. All the disappointment with the legal system follows from too few judges, but especially the slow years to get to trial and more years to run through all appeals. Trump always seeks delays and slowness, in each of the thousands of trials where he or his corps have been or are defendants. Trump makes a broken system even more broken, which is not what a decent person would do. Vote for indecent Trump, 6ix. You and Trump have so many reasons to stay wed to each other. Don't think of cheating on him, 6ix. He completes you. He is you. You have so much in common that you two should never be apart. You also have much in common with Randy Quaid.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=40130&mid=11848
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump didn't do anything wrong. And he isn't asking for shit.

The only reason his lawyers are looking for immunity is because that's a quick and easy win for a case that only exists because the guy you put into office and his team like to imprison their political opponents.

Everything you claim that Trump is going to do when he wins in November is exactly what the people you voted for have been doing for 3 years now.
If the Supreme Court rules that Trump does not have immunity, it is ruling that 6ixStringJack is a lying sack of shit.


I don't know what you call that, but it ain't logic.

Trump isn't asking for immunity. His lawyers are. Lawyers are going to lawyer.

I don't believe that Trump or anybody else should have immunity. We already very obviously live in a 2-tiered justice system in this country, and any precedent set by giving Trump immunity here will be used by every crooked politician out there on either side of the aisle.

Trump should not have immunity. Trump should have a fair trial, and with a jury of his peers. He's not getting that right now though either. Every case is headed by a judge appointed by Clinton or Obama, in deep blue districts stuffed with jurors who are going to give Democrats the "right" verdict, at least in the cases that the judge is even allowing Trump a trial by jury, and several of those judges have made public statements making it very clear that these will not be fair trials.


I want full transparency in these cases. Put it all out there for the court of public opinion.
It all boils down to a number. There are currently 870 authorized Article III judgeships: nine on the Supreme Court, 179 on the courts of appeals, 673 for the district courts and nine on the Court of International Trade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_judge

6ix, see that number? 870 Judges. There are 50 states. If each state had 50 judges, which still wouldn't be enough to have swift trials, that would be 2,500 judges. All the disappointment with the legal system follows from too few judges, but especially the slow years to get to trial and more years to run through all appeals. Trump always seeks delays and slowness, in each of the thousands of trials where he or his corps have been or are defendants. Trump makes a broken system even more broken, which is not what a decent person would do. Vote for indecent Trump, 6ix. You and Trump have so many reasons to stay wed to each other. Don't think of cheating on him, 6ix. He completes you. He is you. You have so much in common that you two should never be apart. You also have much in common with Randy Quaid.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=40130&mid=11848
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Oh fuck off with that bullshit.

Show me any politician and I'll show you a criminal.

Trump didn't stay within their established lines though. And now we're going to see if he's got what it takes to overcome their blatant abuse of power and expose them for what they really are.

Joe Biden* is doing the exact same thing to Democrat NYC Mayor Eric Adams. It's very easy to find any reason under the sun to take down a politician that strays from their path when they're all human beings with power.



Did Trump fuck Stormy Daniels? Yeah. Probably did.

Did Trump start a violent insurrection. Absolutely not.


Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

Tick Tock



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Wednesday, December 13, 2023 5:15 PM

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Trump said he was going to testify in his Trump University trial and chickened out.

Trump said he was going to testify in the E. Jean Carroll trial and chickened out.

TRUMP SAID HE WAS GOING TO TESTIFY IN HIS OWN DEFENSE IN THE NEW YORK FRAUD TRIAL AND CHICKENED OUT.

LIAR, FRAUD, CON MAN.

We fact-check Trump's claim that he wanted to testify in his NY fraud trial but a gag order somehow stopped him

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-wanted-to-testify-in-ny-a-fact-c
heck-2023-12

It just so happens that Trump lied about his testimony.

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Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

Tick Tock



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(ORDER LIST: 601 U.S.)
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2023
CERTIORARI DENIED
23-624 UNITED STATES V. TRUMP, DONALD J.
The petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment is denied.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/122223zr_3e04.pdf

Trump wants to run out the clock on his criminal trials. The 6ix Republicans on the Supreme Court assist him.

https://www.vox.com/scotus/2023/12/22/24012602/supreme-court-jack-smit
h-donald-trump-delay-election-theft-criminal-trial

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
(ORDER LIST: 601 U.S.)
FRIDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2023
CERTIORARI DENIED
23-624 UNITED STATES V. TRUMP, DONALD J.
The petition for a writ of certiorari before judgment is denied.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/122223zr_3e04.pdf

Trump wants to run out the clock on his criminal trials. The 6ix Republicans on the Supreme Court assist him.

https://www.vox.com/scotus/2023/12/22/24012602/supreme-court-jack-smit
h-donald-trump-delay-election-theft-criminal-trial

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Trump is circling the drain. Caught in the vortex of a flushed toilet.

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

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Everything Trump is corrupt. Everything Jack is anti-American.

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RNC chair may be in trouble over audio of Trump, Karl Rove warns






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Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election | December 28, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/28/politics/recordings-trump-team-fake-ele
ctor-ballots/

Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

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Quote:
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Once again misrepresenting what people say.

Nonstop lies from the son of the father of lies.



- SIGNYM



‘Illegal’: Trump explodes after Jack Smith corners him on Jan. 6 conspiracy theory

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team has requested a U.S. District Judge to prevent former President Donald Trump from introducing “irrelevant disinformation” into his D.C. election subversion trial.

The motion aims to prohibit Trump from using certain arguments in his defense that prosecutors consider misleading and irrelevant.

The filing came after the case was paused as Trump seeks presidential immunity from prosecution. (Trending: Democrat Targets U.S. Troops With New Gun Control Law)

“Although the Court can recognize these efforts for what they are and disregard them, the jury — if subjected to them — may not,” wrote Jack Smith’s team.

“The Court should not permit the defendant to turn the courtroom into a forum in which he propagates irrelevant disinformation, and should reject his attempt to inject politics into this proceeding,” they continued.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/illegal-trump-explodes-after-ja
ck-smith-corners-him-on-jan-6-conspiracy-theory/ar-AA1mfxIK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=4fcf70c1903341edbdab44dc0d6e14da&ei=26


tick tock...

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Special counsel Jack Smith warned in a new filing Saturday that ex-President Donald Trump’s bid for immunity could “license presidents to commit crimes to remain in office.”
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/30/special-counsel-trump-immunit
y-claim-threatens-democracy-00133353

The text of the filing:
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cadc.40415/gov.us
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INTRODUCTION
For the first time in our Nation’s history, a grand jury has charged a former President with committing crimes while in office to overturn an election that he lost. In response, the defendant claims that to protect the institution of the Presidency, he must be cloaked with absolute immunity from criminal prosecution unless the House impeached and the Senate convicted him for the same conduct. He is wrong. Separation of powers principles, constitutional text, history, and precedent all make clear that a former President may be prosecuted for criminal acts he committed while in office — including, most critically here, illegal acts to remain in power despite losing an election.

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Trump is up 2.3 points in the polling aggregate. He's up 7.8 points in the betting averages.

Democrats had better work on issues that voters actually care about while they still can and let this one go. They're not going to be able to get rid of their political opposition by imprisoning them or taking them off of ballots like 3rd world dictators.

Tick Tock

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If Mr. Trump is tried and convicted, a mountain of public opinion data suggests voters would turn away from the former president.

Still likely to be completed before Election Day remains the special counsel Jack Smith’s federal prosecution of Mr. Trump for allegedly scheming to overturn the 2020 election. That trial had been set to start on March 4, 2024, but that date has been put on hold, pending appellate review of the trial court’s rejection of Mr. Trump‘s presidential immunity. On Friday the Supreme Court declined Mr. Smith’s request for immediate review of the question, but the appeal is still headed to the high court on a rocket docket. That is because the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia will hear oral argument on Jan. 9 and will probably issue a decision within days of that, setting up a prompt return to the Supreme Court. Moreover, with three other criminal cases also set for trial in 2024, it is entirely possible that Mr. Trump will have at least one criminal conviction before November 2024.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/26/opinion/trump-polling-conviction.ht
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
DONALD J. TRUMP, Defendant

The implications of the defendant’s broad immunity theory are sobering. In his view, a court should treat a President’s criminal conduct as immune from prosecution as long as it takes the form of correspondence with a state official about a matter in which there is a federal interest,
a meeting with a member of the Executive Branch,
or a statement on a matter of public concern.
That approach would grant immunity from criminal prosecution to
a President who accepts a bribe in exchange for directing a lucrative government contract to the payer;
a President who instructs the FBI Director to plant incriminating evidence on a political enemy;
a President who orders the National Guard to murder his most prominent critics; or
a President who sells nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary,
because in each of these scenarios, the President could assert that he was simply executing the laws;
or communicating with the Department of Justice;
or discharging his powers as Commander-in-Chief;
or engaging in foreign diplomacy.
Under the defendant’s framework, the Nation would have no recourse to deter a President from inciting his supporters during a State of the Union address to kill opposing lawmakers — thereby hamstringing any impeachment proceeding — to ensure that he remains in office unlawfully.
See Blassingame v. Trump, 87 F.4th 1, 21 (D.C. Cir. 2023) (President’s delivery of the State of the Union address is an official act).
Such a result would severely undermine the compelling public interest in the rule of law and criminal accountability.

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Sunday, December 31, 2023 3:25 PM

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Trump will be fine. He'll also be your next President.



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Sunday, December 31, 2023 3:39 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump will be fine. He'll also be your next President.






Correct he will be fine; they have doctors in prisons.

Too funny...

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Sunday, December 31, 2023 3:49 PM

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Trump will not go to prison.



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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will not go to prison.
Do you mean he will kill himself rather than go to prison? Perhaps Trump's spokesperson will say it was an auto-erotic-asphyxiation by hanging gone wrong? That sounds much better than suicide for the cause of death on Trump's wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Federal_and_state_criminal_
cases_against_Trump

Republicans are crooks

Maybe this is just a coincidence. You be the judge.



https://jabberwocking.com/a-brief-timeline-of-recent-presidential-crim
ing/

Concerning his first indictment, all that Trump had to do was to scrounge up $130K in cash and/or other valuables and send one of his idiot sons in a private jet to deliver to porn actor Stormy Daniels. Instead, he schemed to allow the payment to be treated as a business expense which is tax deductible. Didn't Roy Cohn teach him how to properly do a payoff?

The three hush money cases in Trump indictment.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-karen-mcdougal-
payoffs-40dd9d1f3590dfcd5c494b1815e9eaa2

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Sunday, December 31, 2023 10:09 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will not go to prison.
Do you mean he will kill himself rather than go to prison?


No.

Trump will not go to prison.

Trump will not Epstein himself.

Trump will be your next President.



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Tuesday, January 2, 2024 6:13 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Trump will not go to prison.





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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Trump will not go to prison.
Do you mean he will kill himself rather than go to prison? Perhaps Trump's spokesperson will say it was an auto-erotic-asphyxiation by hanging gone wrong? That sounds much better than suicide for the cause of death on Trump's wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#Federal_and_state_criminal_
cases_against_Trump

Republicans are crooks

Maybe this is just a coincidence. You be the judge.



https://jabberwocking.com/a-brief-timeline-of-recent-presidential-crim
ing/

Concerning his first indictment, all that Trump had to do was to scrounge up $130K in cash and/or other valuables and send one of his idiot sons in a private jet to deliver to porn actor Stormy Daniels. Instead, he schemed to allow the payment to be treated as a business expense which is tax deductible. Didn't Roy Cohn teach him how to properly do a payoff?

The three hush money cases in Trump indictment.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-stormy-daniels-karen-mcdougal-
payoffs-40dd9d1f3590dfcd5c494b1815e9eaa2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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Yes sir, that graph says a lot.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2024 11:31 PM

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Yup. It says a whole lot about the 2-tiered justice system in this country.

That's why poor Eric Adams in New York City had no idea it was coming for him.



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Tuesday, January 2, 2024 11:33 PM

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Why is your President* so unpopular, Ted?

Why are minorities and women turning against him, Ted?

Is it even possible for your guy to win a fair election without throwing his political opposition in prison, Ted?

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Why is your President* so unpopular, Ted?

Why are minorities and women turning against him, Ted?

Is it even possible for your guy to win a fair election without throwing his political opposition in prison, Ted?




It was Trump who wanted Barr to arrest Biden moron not the other way around. And what your polls are not telling you is that voters that move away from Biden, for now, don't move over to Trump. Wait for it, people are beginning to pay attention.

In other words, tick tock...

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