Grifter Donald Trump Has Been Indicted And Yes Arrested; Four Times Now And Counting. Hey Jack, I Was Right by THG

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Be very careful what you wish for.

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I wish you would read a book.

In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Cassidy-Hutchinson-ebook/dp/B0C3DKT462/

President Donald Trump lashes out unpredictably and makes wild demands. Chief of staff Mark Meadows leaks classified documents to friendly right-wing media figures and burns documents. Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani gropes Hutchinson inappropriately the day of the Capitol insurrection.

She also depicts major Republican figures, including Speaker Kevin McCarthy, stating clearly behind the scenes what they refrained from telling the American people: that Joe Biden won the presidential election and Trump lost.

Hints that integrity wasn’t exactly the word of the day were there from the beginning, of course. “Cass, if I can get through this job and manage to keep (Trump) out of jail, I’ll have done a good job,” Meadows told Hutchinson in June 2020.

After one 2020 campaign rally, Meadows asked her, “Would you take a bullet for him?” – meaning Trump.

“Could it be to the leg?” Hutchinson tried to joke back.

Meadows responded that he would “do anything” to get Trump reelected.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe expressed concern about the president’s unpredictability, noting that one minute “he acknowledges he lost… Then he’ll immediately backpedal.”

After the US Supreme Court declined to hear the bizarre lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, full of lies and false claims about the election, Trump pushed Meadows, “Why didn’t we make more calls? We needed to do more. … We can’t let this stand.”

Trump continued, “I don’t want people to know we lost, Mark. This is embarrassing. Figure it out.” Even then, when Meadows assured Trump he would work on it, Hutchinson’s irritation is with Meadows for giving Trump false hope, not with Trump for demanding that his delusions become reality.

Hutchinson’s claim that Trump admitted to Meadows that he lost is the latest in a series of eye-witness accounts of Trump periodically admitting in private to having lost the election.

More at https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/26/politics/cassidy-hutchinson-book-trump-
white-house-chaos/index.html

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 9:48 AM

In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 10:04 AM

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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.

I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of East Texas, Trump voters' lives are almost as lawless and chaotic as Trump's, but more circumscribed because they lack his wealth. The similarities are the obvious attraction between Trump and his East Texas voters. His voters have about as many personal, financial and legal problems as Trump does, adjusting for wealth. That is why they want to tear down the system and rebuild it in a way that annihilates their problems in a huge bonfire of burning documents, court orders, lawsuits, divorce papers, and bankruptcy proceedings. I almost forgot, unpaid taxes. Trumptards are pretty bad about paying their taxes on time and cheating, but so is Trump.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 11:05 AM

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In her new book “Enough,” former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson paints the closing days of the Trump White House as even more chaotic and lawless than she previously disclosed in her shocking televised testimony last summer.
I don't know about your part of the world, but in my part of East Texas, Trump voters' lives are almost as lawless and chaotic as Trump's, but more circumscribed because they lack his wealth. The similarities are the obvious attraction between Trump and his East Texas voters. His voters have about as many personal, financial and legal problems as Trump does, adjusting for wealth. That is why they want to tear down the system and rebuild it in a way that annihilates their problems in a huge bonfire of burning documents, court orders, lawsuits, divorce papers, and bankruptcy proceedings. I almost forgot, unpaid taxes. Trumptards are pretty bad about paying their taxes on time and cheating, but so is Trump.

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In other words; they think what they want is better than what they have. They have no idea even the right to bitch will be lost if they get what they want. And no dictator or authoritarian wants to be surrounded by a bitchy populist that is armed to the teeth. So, they need to be prepared to give up their guns because that is inevitable in a one person rules all society.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2023 11:19 AM

Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

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Thursday, September 28, 2023 5:59 AM

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Judge Gives Trump Organization the Corporate Death Penalty

By David Cay Johnston, September 26, 2023

A New York State judge on Tuesday canceled all of the business licenses for the Trump Organization and its 500 or so subsidiary companies and partnerships after finding that Trump used them to, along with his older two sons, commit fraud.

Under the New York General Business Law, you can only do business in your own name as a sole proprietor or with a business license, which the state calls a “business certificate.” All of Trump’s businesses were corporations or partnerships that require business certificates.

In a 35-page decision, Judge Engoron also excoriated Trump and his lawyers for making nonsense arguments, so badly misquoting legal cases that they turned the law upside down, and other legal misconduct.

Five Trump lawyers were each fined $7,500 for making “frivolous” arguments.

A judge calling a lawyer’s argument “frivolous” is the equivalent of saying it is no better than nonsense from a drunk in a bar, as I teach my Syracuse University College of Law students.

Those lawyers may well find it wise to hire their own lawyers as Judge Engoron’s findings could form the basis of disbarment proceedings, something already underway against Trump lawyers Rudy Giuliani, the former federal prosecutor, and John Eastman, a former dean of the Chapman University School of Law in Orange, Calif.

https://www.dcreport.org/2023/09/26/donald-trump-liable-for-fraud/

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Thursday, September 28, 2023 6:07 AM

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Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

Trump's worth will drop below a billion dollars:

In 2015 Trump claimed his net worth was north of $10 billion. When he became president, he asked if he could file his federally required financial disclosure statements without signing them under penalty of perjury. That request was denied. The statement Trump then filed, by my counting, showed a net worth of not much more than $1 billion, but was based on fantastical assertions of value.

News organizations, except DCReport, told their audiences next to nothing about how from June 2015 to January 2017 Trump’s claimed net worth fell by roughly 90 percent.

A non-jury trial before Judge Engoron next week will determine how much Trump will be fined for his years of bank fraud and insurance fraud.

Barring a highly unlikely reversal by an appeals court, Trump’s business assets eventually will be liquidated since he cannot operate them without a business license. Retired Judge Barbara Jones was appointed to monitor the assets, an arrangement not unlike the court-supervised liquidation of a bankrupt company or the assets of a drug lord.

Creditors, any fines due the state because of the fraud, and taxes will be paid first from sales of Trump properties.

The various properties are likely to be sold at fire sale prices and certainly not for top dollar when liquidation begins, probably after all appeals are exhausted.

https://www.dcreport.org/2023/09/26/donald-trump-liable-for-fraud/

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Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.

Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET

Ever since debt was invented in ancient Sumer, there have probably been people enriching themselves through bad investments. The trick is to make these investments using other people’s money.

Suppose, for example, that a wheeler-dealer uses borrowed funds to make risky investments in New Jersey casinos. If the investments somehow end up making money, he can pocket the profits. But if the investments fail, he may — if he’s been tricky about the wording in his loans or manages to persuade his creditors not to go after his other assets — be able to walk away and leave other people holding the bag. That is, it’s heads he wins, tails the creditors lose.

He may also be able to siphon off some of the borrowed money, say by having the casinos pay him or businesses he owns large sums for various services before they go bust.

As readers may have guessed, this isn’t a hypothetical example. It is the story of Donald Trump’s New Jersey casino empire, a venture ending in multiple bankruptcies that was a disaster for outside investors but appears to have been quite profitable for Trump.

The problem for someone who wants to play that game is how to persuade lenders to play along. Why would any people risk their money in such dubious ventures?

Well, there are a couple of ways to pull this off. One, perhaps the main story with those casinos, is sheer power of persuasion, perhaps supported by a cult of personality: Convince lenders that these dubious ventures are actually good investments or that you’re a uniquely effective businessman who can turn straw into gold.

Alternatively, you can try to persuade lenders that they’re safe by offering collateral that seems sufficient to protect them but isn’t, because you’ve inflated the value of the assets you put up and possibly also inflated your personal wealth to make it seem you are both a brilliant businessman and a reliable borrower.

Which is why making false claims about the value of assets you control is illegal. And on Tuesday, Justice Arthur F. Engoron ruled in New York that Trump did, in fact, persistently commit fraud by overvaluing his assets, possibly by as much as $2.2 billion.

Trump and his lawyers offered, as I read it, three main defenses against accusations of fraud.

First, they argued that the value of real estate is, to some extent, subjective. Indeed, if you own a building, you don’t know for sure what it’s worth until you try to sell it.

But while there’s some wiggle room in valuing real estate, it’s limited. And Engoron ruled that Trump went far beyond those limits, creating a “fantasy world” of indefensible valuations. For example, the Trump Organization treated rent-regulated apartments as being worth as much as noncontrolled apartments. The judge made special note of Trump’s claim that he had a 30,000-square-foot residence in New York, when the true number was only 11,000; square footage isn’t subjective.

Second, Trump’s lawyers argued that banks that lent to him got repaid in full, so there was no harm done. Of course, that wasn’t true for lenders caught up in Trump’s earlier bankruptcies. More generally, playing heads-I-win-tails-you-lose based on fraudulent valuations isn’t legal even if sometimes the bets come up heads.

Finally, Trump declared on social media that “my Civil Rights have been taken away from me” and that he borrowed money from “sophisticated Wall Street banks” that presumably wouldn’t have been easily deceived by fraud. If you know anything about Wall Street’s attitudes toward Trump, that’s a real hoot. For years, only one major Wall Street player, Deutsche Bank, was willing to deal with him at all, leading to much puzzlement about that bank’s motives. And eventually Deutsche Bank also pulled the plug, citing concerns about his financial claims. Trump did manage to pay off that debt, although it’s a mystery where he found the cash. But as I just explained, getting lucky is no excuse for fraud.

What’s remarkable about Engoron’s finding that Trump committed large-scale fraud (it’s now a ruling, not a mere accusation) is what it says about the man who became president and the voters who supported him.

Back in 2016, some observers warned conventional political analysts that they were underrating Trump’s chances because they didn’t appreciate how many Americans believed that he was a brilliant businessman — a belief based largely on his role on the reality TV show “The Apprentice.” What we now know is that the old joke was, in Trump’s case, the simple truth: He wasn’t a real business genius; he just played one on TV.

But the truth is that this was obvious, to anyone willing to see, from the beginning of Trump’s political rise.

I’d like to predict that this ruling will finally destroy Trump’s public persona. In reality, however, his supporters will probably brush this ruling off, partly because they’ll view it as the product of a left-wing conspiracy, partly because at this late date, few of those who backed him will be willing to admit that they were taken in by a charlatan.

But they were. And the fact that so many Americans were and remain fooled should lead to some serious national soul-searching.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/opinion/donald-trump-fraud-case.htm
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Or if you were uneducated enough to believe Trump, you will die young:

https://twitter.com/delong/status/1707443172845224119

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Friday, September 29, 2023 12:39 AM

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Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.

Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET

Yup.

Fuck Joe Biden*.

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Friday, September 29, 2023 5:28 AM

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Hail to the Fraudster in Chief.

Sept. 28, 2023, 6:28 p.m. ET

Yup.

Fuck Joe Biden*.

Trump persuaded lenders that they’re safe by offering collateral that seems sufficient to protect them but isn’t because Trump inflated the value of the assets he put up as collateral and also inflated his personal wealth to make it seem that he is both a brilliant businessman and a reliable borrower.

Making false claims about the value of assets Trump controlled is illegal. Trump will be punished for that fraud.

6ix, for all the people who have persuaded themselves that what Trump did is perfect, there will be other things totally unrelated to politics and Trump that will go wrong in their lives, their punishment for believing fraud is not fraud.

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Friday, September 29, 2023 6:36 AM

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Keep crying and fearmongering about a future that is never going to happen while we're living in the worst times in America that a majority of American citizens have ever lived through.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

Hey Jack, I told you so. Laughing here...

Trump LOSES Biggest Case of His Life and Entire Business is CANCELLED

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Friday, September 29, 2023 11:45 AM

Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Betting odds for Trump have increased again.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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Friday, September 29, 2023 11:51 AM

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Betting odds for Trump have increased again.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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Did you notice that 5.3% bet Obama will win in 2024?

That is invincibly stupid . . .

One of my ancestors said, "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve." The same is true for Obama but for a different reason -- the Constitution forbids a third term.
https://www.google.com/search?q=does+the+constitution+forbid+a+third+t
erm+for+obama

Reading through these quotes I discover that the apple (me) did not fall far from the tree: https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/william-tecumseh-sherman-quotes

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Friday, September 29, 2023 8:51 PM

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

tick tock

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Let's talk about the first flip in the Trump Georgia case

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Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:29 AM

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Trump will be fine.

He will also be your next President.

Betting odds for Trump have increased again.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/presiden
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Did you notice that 5.3% bet Obama will win in 2024?

That is invincibly stupid . . .

One of my ancestors said, "If nominated, I will not run; if elected, I will not serve." The same is true for Obama but for a different reason -- the Constitution forbids a third term.
https://www.google.com/search?q=does+the+constitution+forbid+a+third+t
erm+for+obama

That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.

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Saturday, September 30, 2023 12:03 PM

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That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.

That's Melania Trump's chances for being President. Donald's chances are zero. But don't worry, he will be fine: Expert shocked over how bad Trump's fraud defense is

Legal experts are scratching their heads at the poor defense put forth by former President Donald Trump in his upcoming New York fraud trial.

According to The Daily Beast Judge Arthur Engoron has already tossed out Trump's argument that past lies on his financial statements could be justified by the eventual rise in the value of his properties.

Trump's defense argues that if his properties gained value over time, then the numbers on his financial statements weren't inflated when submitted.

Judge Engoron found this line of reasoning to be "wholly without basis in law or fact," stating that Trump's defense doesn't align with how real estate valuations are typically discussed.

The shortcomings of Trump's defense extend beyond the legal world, according to experts.

Cosmologist Marina Cortês at the Institute for Astrophysics and Space Sciences in Portugal said, "He's defying the very laws of physics. The past is different from the future. That's the most basic knowledge we have in cosmology."

Cortês further elaborated that Trump's argument violates the second law of thermodynamics, which says the future doesn't move into the past.

"It’s like Sir Arthur Eddington’s famous statement: ‘If your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope. There is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation,'" she added.

The trial, set to be decided solely by Judge Engoron, is already looking grim for the former President. The judge has determined that Trump's defense is not just legally weak, but also contradicts basic scientific principles.

https://www.dagens.com/news/expert-shocked-over-how-bad-trumps-fraud-d
efense-is

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Saturday, September 30, 2023 1:11 PM

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That's Michelle Obama, you stupid fuck.
That's Melania Trump's chances for being President.

What a stupid response.

Color me unsurprised.

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Sunday, October 1, 2023 3:06 PM

Hey Jack, I was right. More importantly, you as always, are wrong.

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Sunday, October 1, 2023 5:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Just putting in my $0.02 again. This is still lawfare against Trump, they're simply trying to de-fang any run for the Presidency by defunding him.

Open question whether or not it will work.

The DNC looks like it's angling to run Gavin Newsom. You'd have to be an independent -minded Californian to know what a terrible President he would make, but a lot of Dems outside of CA will probably be OK with him.

RFK Jr is expected to run as an independent.

So the question is whether RFK Jr splits the Dem vote more than he splits the independent vote, and pulls independents from Trump.

Anyway, hypocritical and unjust application of the law is such an ugly thing, and used to only happen in 3rd world countries, but I see it's happening here.

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Monday, October 2, 2023 12:38 AM

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Hey Jack, I was right. More importantly, you as always, are wrong.

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Only in your sad little fantasy world, troglodyte.

Betting odds for Trump got even better on a Sunday than they were yesterday.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

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Wednesday, October 4, 2023 9:06 AM

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Drinking worked so well for 6ix and Giuliani that Trump should start drinking:

The office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, has questioned witnesses about Mr. Giuliani’s alcohol consumption as he was advising Mr. Trump, including on election night, according to a person familiar with the matter. Mr. Smith’s investigators have also asked about Mr. Trump’s level of awareness of his lawyer’s drinking as they worked to overturn the election and prevent Joseph R. Biden Jr. from being certified as the 2020 winner at almost any cost. (A spokesman for the special counsel declined to comment.)

The answers to those prompts could complicate any efforts by Mr. Trump’s team to lean on a so-called advice-of-counsel defense, a strategy that could portray him as a client merely taking professional cues from his lawyers. If such guidance came from someone whom Mr. Trump knew to be compromised by alcohol, especially when many others told Mr. Trump definitively that he had lost, his argument could weaken.

In interviews and in testimony to Congress, several people at the White House on election night — the evening when Mr. Giuliani urged Mr. Trump to declare victory despite the results — have said that the former mayor appeared to be drunk, slurring and carrying an odor of alcohol.

“The mayor was definitely intoxicated,” Jason Miller, a top Trump adviser and a veteran of Mr. Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign, told the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol in a deposition early last year. “But I do not know his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president.” (Mr. Giuliani furiously denied this account and condemned Mr. Miller, who had spoken glowingly of him in public, in vicious terms.)

Privately, Mr. Trump, who has long described himself as a teetotaler, has spoken derisively about Mr. Giuliani’s drinking, according to a person familiar with his remarks. But Mr. Trump’s monologues to associates can betray a layered view of the former mayor, one that many Republicans share: He credits Mr. Giuliani with turning around New York City after the high-crime 1970s and 1980s and contends that it has suffered lately without him in charge. Then he returns to a lament about Mr. Giuliani’s image today.

Mr. Trump does not dwell on his own role in that trajectory.

In a statement that did not address specific accounts about Mr. Giuliani’s drinking or its potential relevance to prosecutors, Ted Goodman, a political adviser to the former mayor, praised Mr. Giuliani’s career and suggested he was being maligned because “he has the courage to defend an innocent man” in Mr. Trump.

“I’m with the mayor on a regular basis for the past year, and the idea that he is an alcoholic is a flat-out lie,” Mr. Goodman said, adding that it had “become fashionable in certain circles to smear the mayor in an effort to stay in the good graces of New York’s so-called ‘high society’ and the Washington, D.C., cocktail circuit.”

“The Rudy Giuliani you all see today,” Mr. Goodman continued, “is the same man who took down the mafia, cleaned up the streets of New York and comforted the nation following 9/11.”

A spokesman for Mr. Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

Many who know Mr. Giuliani best are careful to discuss his life, and especially his drinking, with considerable nuance. Most elements of today’s Mr. Giuliani were always there, they say, if less visible.

Long before alcohol became a concern, Mr. Giuliani was prone to sweeping, unsubstantiated claims of election fraud. (“They stole that election from me,” he once said of his 1989 mayoral loss, alluding to supposed chicanery “in the Black parts of Brooklyn and in Washington Heights.”)

Long before alcohol became a concern, he could be quick to lash out at enemies real or perceived. (“A small man in search of a balcony,” Jimmy Breslin once said of him.)

In interviews with friends, associates and former aides, the consensus was that, more than wholly transforming Mr. Giuliani, his drinking had accelerated a change in his existing alchemy, amplifying qualities that had long burbled within him: conspiracism, gullibility, a weakness for grandeur.

A lover of opera — with a suitably operatic sense of his own story — Mr. Giuliani has long invited supporters, as Mr. Trump has, to process his personal trials as their own, tugging the masses along through tumult, tragedy, public divorce.

Yet there is a smallness to his world now, a narrowing to reflect his circumstances.

He faces a racketeering charge (among others) in Georgia, a defamation case brought by two election workers and accusations of sexual misconduct from a former employee (he has said this was a consensual relationship) and a former White House aide (he has denied this account).

One of his lawyers has said Mr. Giuliani is “close to broke.” Another, Robert Costello, once a protégé of the former mayor’s, is suing him for unpaid legal fees.

Mr. Giuliani’s circle has shrunk as old friends have fallen away. His law license was suspended in New York. The Grand Havana Room closed in 2020.

Most days, Mr. Giuliani hosts a radio show in Manhattan, stopping for sidewalk selfies with the occasional stranger.

Most nights, he stays in for a livestream from the apartment he long shared with his third ex-wife, Judith Giuliani. It recently went up for sale.

“Rudy loves opera,” said William J. Bratton, his first police commissioner, to whom Mr. Giuliani once gave a CD collection of “La Bohème” as a gift. “Few operas end in a happy place.”

So much more at https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/04/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-drinking.
html

Rudy Giuliani's father, Harold Giuliani, a plumber and a bartender,[43] had trouble holding a job, was convicted of felony assault and robbery, and served prison time in Sing Sing.[44] Once released, he worked as an enforcer for his brother-in-law Leo D'Avanzo, who operated an organized crime-affiliated loan sharking and gambling ring at a restaurant in Brooklyn.
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Thursday, October 5, 2023 2:31 PM

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Just putting in my $0.02 again. This is still lawfare against Trump, they're simply trying to de-fang any run for the Presidency by defunding him.

Open question whether or not it will work.

The DNC looks like it's angling to run Gavin Newsom. You'd have to be an independent -minded Californian to know what a terrible President he would make, but a lot of Dems outside of CA will probably be OK with him.

RFK Jr is expected to run as an independent.

So the question is whether RFK Jr splits the Dem vote more than he splits the independent vote, and pulls independents from Trump.

Anyway, hypocritical and unjust application of the law is such an ugly thing, and used to only happen in 3rd world countries, but I see it's happening here.

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Loving America is like loving an addicted spouse - SIGNYM

Try he broke the law. If not the evidence will show that. And remember, it's his people saying he did.

Wow, with you ignorance is bliss hey comrade.

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Thursday, October 5, 2023 6:28 PM

I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.

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I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.

Trump said he can't lose!

Also, Trump says US presidents are immune from criminal charges

WASHINGTON, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Donald Trump, seeking to dismiss the federal case accusing him of trying to overturn his loss in the 2020 presidential election, argued on Thursday that he cannot be prosecuted because U.S. presidents are immune from criminal charges.

"Here, 234 years of unbroken historical practice - from 1789 until 2023 - provide compelling evidence that the power to indict a former President for his official acts does not exist," Trump's lawyers wrote to the U.S. District Court in Washington.

It was one of two efforts Trump's legal team pursued on Thursday to toss criminal cases against the former U.S. president. They also asked a New York judge to dismiss charges tied to hush money payments to porn star Stormy Daniels ahead of the 2016 presidential election, calling them "politically motivated" and legally flawed.

Trump, president from 2017 to 2021, has regularly made sweeping claims of immunity both while in office and since leaving the White House. Courts have rejected these claims.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2020 spurned Trump's argument that he was absolutely immune from state criminal investigations while president.

A U.S. judge last year ruled that Trump was not immune from civil lawsuits seeking to hold him liable for his supporters' violence during a Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot. The judge said Trump's actions leading up to the riot, casting doubt on the election results, were not official responsibilities.

Trump is appealing that ruling. Trump can't lose! Ask him or any Trumptard and they will tell you it is true. They will get a violently rude awakening where Trump falls out of bed and lands on his head, knocking his brains out.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump-asks-court-dismiss-federal-2020-el
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I can't wait to watch you mentally break down when Trump wins next November.

Trump said he can't lose!

Doesn't matter if he said it or not.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

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Thursday, October 5, 2023 11:05 PM

BTW... I haven't heard your Legacy Media brainwashing and propaganda machine talking about the 14th Amendment for a while.

Didn't work out for you like you'd hoped, did it?

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BTW... I haven't heard your Legacy Media brainwashing and propaganda machine talking about the 14th Amendment for a while.

Didn't work out for you like you'd hoped, did it?

For a Trumptard you are smart, but for an American citizen, you are stupid. The same is true for Trump:

Donald Trump Is Any Defense Attorney’s Nightmare
By David A. Graham | October 8, 2023

“A regular defendant would have been locked up a long time ago.”

They say that a man who represents himself has a fool for a client. So, perhaps, does a person who represents Donald Trump.

To most people, attacking someone with influence over one’s freedom and fortunes is self-evidently unwise, but that is precisely what Trump has been up to. This week, the former president attended a civil trial in Manhattan to determine what damages he might have to pay in a case about his company committing a massive, yearslong fraud. Justice Arthur Engoron, the judge in the case, has already ruled that fraud did occur, and Trump is furious about it.

“This is a judge that should be disbarred,” he said outside of the court on Monday. “This is a judge that should be out of office. This is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what he’s doing. He’s interfering with an election.”

The next day, Trump’s campaign issued a lengthy statement portraying Engoron as a Democratic operative, and Trump attacked Engoron’s law clerk on his social-media site, Truth Social. Engoron then placed a gag order on the former president, barring him from attacking the clerk. (Trump’s message was later deleted.) These incidents follow earlier broadsides against Tanya Chutkan, the federal judge overseeing the case against him in Washington, D.C., for trying to steal the 2020 election. Trump called her “a fraud dressed up as a judge,” “a radical Obama hack,” and a “biased, Trump-hating judge.” (He has also insulted prosecutors in bracingly personal terms, but then again they are already literally out to get him.)

“It’s like being a football player and every time you go back to your position, you kick the ref in the shins,” Ty Cobb, an attorney who served as special counsel in the White House during the Robert Mueller probe, told me. “You gradually sacrifice the benefit of the doubt, or you put a lot of strain on someone who’s supposed to be evenhanded.” Ken White, a criminal-defense attorney and writer, was even blunter, telling me, “He is who he is. It’s crazy, and I’m sure his lawyers are horrified.”

And yet things could be going much worse. With the exception of this week’s narrow gag order, Trump has not been punished directly by judges, who could instruct him not to comment on cases and even imprison him if he doesn’t comply. Department of Justice Special Counsel Jack Smith asked Chutkan for a partial gag order, which Trump promptly misrepresented publicly; she has scheduled a hearing on the question for October 16. Courts seem slow to sanction Trump because they are wary of being seen as infringing on a major political figure’s speech, and because setting a rule would require enforcing it—and Trump is possibly too big to jail.

“He knows the judges are less likely to do something to him, because they’re kind of backed into a corner. He’ll say, They’re taking it so personally; they’re being biased. They hate me because I exercise my free speech,” Titus Nichols, a defense attorney and former prosecutor who represented the whistleblower Reality Winner, told me. “A regular defendant would have been locked up a long time ago.”

That doesn’t mean that the outbursts have no downside. The fraud trial is being heard by Engoron with no jury. (He says that Trump’s lawyers declined to request a jury.) Although Engoron is ultimately bound by the law, a trial includes many opportunities for a judge to make dozens of minor, discretionary choices.

“When it comes down to individual rulings, you really want the judge to be as open-minded as possible. But if you’ve spent all this time saying, The judge is stupid, the judge is a disgrace, what do you think’s going to happen when you get to those rulings?” Nichols told me. “And that’s why it’s a bad strategy to insult the judge, because while the judge might not directly reprimand you, there’s so much judicial discretion.”

Attorneys I spoke with told me they advise defendants to keep a low profile ahead of a trial and to stay off social media. In addition to the danger of alienating a judge, anything they say could be brought up during proceedings. “You tell stories about how publicity can harm you, how it doesn’t land the way you think it’s landing, how your friends and cronies will love it, but the judge and probably jury will hate it,” White told me. A lawyer might even choose a prominent example from the news to illustrate the danger: “If you’re anyone but Donald Trump, you point at Donald Trump.”

It’s possible to construct a theory under which Trump’s outbursts at judges aren’t all that disastrous. Trump often seems to prioritize his political fortunes—fervor among his base, fundraising, press coverage—over his apparent best interest. But if you presume that losses in both the fraud and election-subversion cases are already foregone conclusions, then his strategy makes some sense. Engoron has already ruled that Trump committed fraud, and the facts in the election case are damning. (Cobb told me he expects a conviction in the federal election case: “If you’re a juror in a case like that, you come back pretty fast.”) Any conviction (or damages, in the civil cases against him) will likely be appealed, but at the trial level, Trump may have already accepted he is likely to lose, and thus may stand to gain the most by wrapping himself in a lost cause.

But even if the self-inflicted wounds in any individual case are incidental, his tendency to create unnecessary nightmares for defense teams (along with his history of stiffing contractors) means that he is less able to attract high-quality representation. Top-tier lawyers have repeatedly declined to work for him, and among those who have taken the job, many don’t stay for long. Over time, that could deepen his risk in all of the cases against him.

“If you go to 30,000 feet, what his defense lacks is a general—someone who has stature, experience, and knowledge to manage all these trial teams,” Cobb told me. “It’s a leaderless defense, which de facto makes Trump the leader of the defense.”

In other words, Trump is acting as his own chief attorney—and we know what people say about a man who represents himself.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/trump-civil-trial-la
wyers-gag-order/675564/

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Trump Lawyers Want Us to Believe Key Witness Knows Nothing
Feigned Ignorance

During his bank fraud trial in New York, Donald Trump’s lawyers said ex-controller Jeff McConney wasn’t an expert on real estate values — except that was his job for Trump.

Published Oct. 12, 2023

When investigators point to spreadsheets, the defense either shrugs, appears confused, or claims vastly inflated values are mere differences of opinion.

For days, state investigators have been laying out how the Trump Organization fudged its numbers before turning the books over to its outside accountant Donald Bender at MazarsUSA. There, the firm would sign off on Trump’s personal financial statements and give them the aura of authenticity. It was McConney’s job to prepare the spreadsheets that listed properties, associated bank account totals, and estimated values.

With him on the stand, the AG’s office reviewed the way McConney gathered real estate development valuations as part of his regular job as the company controller. They repeatedly pointed out how he appeared to use omissions to trick Mazars and throw them off the scent of any impropriety.

Take, for example, Trump Park Avenue, a residential building located in an ultra high-end area east of Manhattan’s Central Park. When McConney put together the numbers for the 32-story condo building, his original spreadsheet listed all the units, along with their offering prices and market values.

But McConney admitted to intentionally deleting that last column before sending it over to Mazars—ensuring the outside firm could only see the pie-in-the-sky offering prices Trump requested, not the market values that reflected what someone would actually pay for those luxury condos.

That sleight of hand added roughly $57 million to Trump’s wealth on paper, math that McConney acknowledged in court.

Then there’s the forested estate in upstate New York called Seven Springs, a failed development project that doubles as Trump’s Bruce Wayne-esque mansion just north of Gotham. Once again, McConney played a central role in fudging the numbers by acting as if seven additional mansions had been greenlit for construction, adding a whopping $161 million to the total value.

And once again, McConney copped to those calculations on the witness stand.

“Were you operating under the assumption when doing this valuation in these two years that approvals had been obtained, all necessarily approvals had been obtained for these seven homes in Bedford?” Amer asked him.

“Looking at this now, yes,” McConney responded.

Some of the dodgy math appeared to come from Eric Trump, one of the former president’s sons, who has long served on the Trump Organization’s leadership team. McConney testified that, after a telephone conversation with the Trump company executive in 2013, another section of Seven Springs jumped in value on paper from $25 million to $101 million—even though they couldn’t actually sell the property they claimed to have.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-lawyers-want-us-to-believe-key-wit
ness-jeff-mcconney-knows-nothing

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Thursday, October 12, 2023 12:09 PM

Trust me dude. Now that Muslims are back on the table, nobody is going to give a single shit about your TDS 13 months from now.

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Trust me dude. Now that Muslims are back on the table, nobody is going to give a single shit about your TDS 13 months from now.

Middle East news from 2023: 59,259 fatalities, 1.5 million people left homeless. But you already forgot it happened. Your "Muslims are back on the table" news is just as ephemeral. Trump is a crook and Nazi running for President, so all crooks and Nazis in America remember to vote for him.

2023 Turkey–Syria earthquakes
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We'll see about that.

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The former president’s lawyers may not be trying to win his New York trial—instead, they’re dragging it out in hopes of solving his other political and legal problems.

Jose Pagliery, Published Oct. 16, 2023 4:32AM EDT

Two weeks into Donald Trump’s bank fraud trial in New York, it’s clear that the former president has no intention of actually trying to win the legal battle at this stage.

Instead, Trump’s legal team is working diligently to repurpose the trial as pretext for a future appeal—not to mention warping the proceedings into both a fundraising spectacle and an excuse to skip out on his other court dates.

For nine straight days, Trump’s defense lawyers have littered the court with legal landmines, objecting to nearly every bit of evidence submitted by New York Attorney General Letitia James and warning New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur F. Engoron that each decision he makes will be closely scrutinized by appellate judges—and likely reversed.

At one point, Engoron had to remind Trump’s legal team, “Trials are… not an opportunity to relitigate what I’ve already decided… that’s why we have appeals.”

Rolling Stone cited one source within the Trump camp who described the current kamikaze plan of trying to seize minor victories within the self-created chaos as “Fyre Festival strategies,” a reference to the poorly planned 2017 music festival in the Bahamas that ended in disaster.

The stakes are high: Trump, a self-styled business tycoon, is at real risk of losing his real estate empire. Engoron has already ordered the Trump Organization’s business licenses revoked after concluding that the Trump family and their company’s top executives vastly inflated assets for years. Come December, he could order them to pay $250 million or more.

Team Trump is still irked that they have to defend real estate deals stretching back a decade because the judge hasn’t yet explicitly drawn a stark cutoff in 2016 or so that could shrink the attorney general’s case—something an appellate court instructed him to do before the trial began.

Now, Trump’s lawyers are objecting to anything that even hints at older material, even emails presented by James’ office that make references to the distant past.

But Trump’s defense team has also adopted a comically and deliberately irritating tactic. Anticipating a massive and detailed appeal, they have been asking long-winded questions about each line in each document—and repeating each question for every year from 2011 and beyond.

The tension reached a boiling point on only the trial’s third day, when the judge repeatedly advised that defense lawyers speed things along—only to have defense lawyer Jesus Suarez agree, then ignore him anyway.

“You’re not allowed to waste time,” Engoron said. “That is what this is becoming.”

“We will attempt to streamline this as much as possible,” lead defense lawyer Christopher Kise assured.

“Doesn’t seem like that yet,” the judge shot back.

“The devil’s in the details. I’m sorry, but it is,” Kise countered.

Things then got heated, as the judge called out Trump’s team on what’s become a patently obvious delay tactic.

“This is ridiculous!” Engoron said, turning his head to the dozens of journalists in the back of the courtroom. “To the reporters: I’m pounding the bench again. This. Is. Ridiculous! There's no point in going through each line. I'm just being logical here.”

What happened next was an encapsulation of what has become the go-to Trump legal strategy at this trial. Kise, in his characteristically condescending tone toward the older and more experienced judge, misconstrued what Engoron said and demurred.

“Let me make sure I understand,” Kise began. “You’re asking us to go line by line, but just ask the same question for each line?”

“I’ve never had to negotiate how to ask questions. I think it makes a poor record, frankly,” he added, in what seemed like a direct address to the court reporter whose notes will eventually be combed through by a panel of appellate judges. “For the record, I object to this.”

Engoron, seeing through the ploy, responded: “I have a thick skin, but it’s really being pierced here.”

More at https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-donald-trumps-team-twisted-his-new-y
ork-bank-fraud-trial-into-a-farce

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I assume you didn't read the article. The next paragraph is

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Similar but less intense versions of that scene repeated as the days went by, with [Trump's attorney] Kise often distorting what [Judge] Engoron was ordering, then turning around and claiming the judge’s decisions were unprecedented and unfair.

This is pretty much the story of every Trumptard's life: to deliberately not comprehend. Other times, to actually be stupid rather than feinting it.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-donald-trumps-team-twisted-his-new-y
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Monday, October 16, 2023 9:25 AM

Sham trial. Meaningless.

Why don't Democrats try to run on issues, or at the very least stop trying to actively destroy the quality of life for 90% of the country. That might be a better plan of action with only one year left.

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Monday, October 16, 2023 3:55 PM

Trump, gets gag order.

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Sham trial. Meaningless.

Why don't Democrats try to run on issues, or at the very least stop trying to actively destroy the quality of life for 90% of the country. That might be a better plan of action with only one year left.

That 90% are fucking morons whose problems will go away only after they stop acting stupid. Government can't fix the stupidity that is ruining them. The morons either fix themselves or suffer.

Take your drinking, 6ix. That was all your fault. When you stopped, that problem went away. I suppose it is imaginable that the government could start a sobriety program for drunks and could make excessive beer drinking illegal, throwing drunk versions of 6ix into jail so that they can finally stop drinking, but in what alternate Universe can that happen? Not this one.

Suppose the problem of the 90% is that they are paid too little and, the complementary problem, they pay too much for their purchases. The 90% could form unions to force their employers to pay employees more and to charge customers less, but the 90% are too stupid to do that. In what alternate Universe will the government make it unnecessary for the 90% to form unions? It would be a universe where the government sets your wages and your prices. That universe is not this universe.

The Democrats do run on issues, things that can be changed in this universe by the government, but there are a whole slew of things the government can't fix for you. You have to fix it yourself or suffer the consequences.

The Democrats' Policies are at https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+policies These are the only things governments can fix. Republicans promise to fix things the government cannot fix and they promise the impossible fixes will be done quickly and easily, at a low price. 6ix, you got to be one of the 90% of morons who believe Republicans' foolish promises are wise and possible for government. 6ix, your life will end early and badly if you keep believing promises that are nonsense.

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Trump’s Gag Order Is Crafted Perfectly to Withstand a First Amendment Claim

On Tuesday, D.C. District Judge Tanya Chutkan, following a hearing on Monday, issued in writing a partial gag order in Donald Trump’s Jan. 6 prosecution. It is only 3 pages: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.us
courts.dcd.258148.105.0_1.pdf

She grounded the order in long-standing Supreme Court law that a trial court has a duty to “protect its processes from prejudicial outside interferences” and that “the First Amendment does not override that obligation.” Then, she carefully focused on conduct by Trump that could reasonably be expected to increase the risk of violence to anyone in his trial process — witnesses, prosecutors, and court staff.

What matters to the country and the administration of justice is that Chutkan refused to simply take a one-small-step-at-a-time approach. With Trump’s increasingly violent social postings about witnesses, the judge recognized that halfway measures risk a danger to our justice system — and real-world threats of violence often follow Trump’s pronouncements in short order.

Now comes the hard part. Trump will be compelled by his political strategy to test the limits of the order that the judge issued. In fact, he’s already testing those limits. On Tuesday in Iowa, Trump rallied supporters against Chutkan, saying the “judge doesn’t like me too much.” He added, “I am willing to go to jail if that’s what it takes.”

The order included context for its prohibition on “targeting.” Chutkan cited “undisputed testimony” showing that “when Defendant has publicly attacked individuals … those individuals are consequently threatened and harassed.” She cited in particular Trump’s recent public statements “that particular individuals are ‘liars,’ or ‘thugs,’ or deserve death.”

The Supreme Court has defined “true threats of violence” as words that “subject individuals to ‘fear of violence’ and to the many kinds of ‘disruption that fear engenders.’ ” As recently as June, the Supreme Court ruled that such words are not protected by the First Amendment.

Trump appears not to worry about jeopardizing his defenses in criminal cases by ranting and by defying judges. Instead, he aims to energize his electoral base to donate.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/10/first-amendment-gag-order-
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Wednesday, October 18, 2023 12:00 PM

Keep fucking around. Doesn't matter. You're already going to find out.

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

All of these slippery slopes Democrats have been ready to use as Slip n' Slides since Trump won in 2016...

Hate Trump All You Like, The Gag Order Is Still Wrong

https://thefederalist.com/2023/10/17/hate-trump-all-you-like-the-gag-o
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This week, U.S. District Court Judge Tanya Chutkan overseeing United States v. Donald Trump issued a gag order prohibiting a leading presidential candidate, Donald Trump, from engaging in speech aimed at “government staff,” among others, during his trial.

Listen, I understand the disdain some conservatives feel for the former president. I share the sentiment. But if you’re cheering on a judge who’s inhibiting political speech on rickety grounds, you’re no friend of the “democracy” or the Constitution.

“Mr. Trump may still vigorously seek public support as a presidential candidate, debate policies and people related to that candidacy, criticize the current administration and assert his belief that this prosecution is politically motivated,” Chutkan explained. “But those critical [F]irst [A]mendment freedoms do not allow him to launch a pre-trial smear campaign against participating government staff, their families and foreseeable witnesses.”

Who is Chutkan to dictate the contours of a presidential candidate’s political speech? What if one of the “participating government staff” or a family member is compromised by partisanship? Moreover, preemptively suggesting that without gagging, Trump will engage in a “smear campaign” is as prejudicial to the case as any of the inflammatory things Trump has thrown around. It implies that any accusation now aimed at prosecutors is untrue.

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Judge tells Trump to shut up until it is Trump's turn to testify. Since the judge makes all the decisions because there is no jury, it behooves Trump to be quiet while the judge listens to testimony.

State lawyer Kevin Wallace requested that the defense be asked to "stop commenting during the witness's testimony," as the "exhortations" were audible to the witness. Judge Engoron then advised all parties to keep their voices down, "particularly if it’s meant to influence the testimony."

https://www.wionews.com/world/donald-trump-scolded-by-judge-for-courtr
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Judge tells Trump to shut up until it is Trump's turn to testify. Since the judge makes all the decisions because there is no jury, it behooves Trump to be quiet while the judge listens to testimony.

The no jury thing is sink this whole case. Trump can say whatever he wants to say. This case, which was always going to not go Trump's way from the beginning with this handpicked judge who was appointed by Barack Obama, is going to be appealed and overturned.

Say whatever you want, Trump.

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State lawyer Kevin Wallace requested that the defense be asked to "stop commenting during the witness's testimony," as the "exhortations" were audible to the witness. Judge Engoron then advised all parties to keep their voices down, "particularly if it’s meant to influence the testimony."

Trump will be fine. He will also be your next President.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Thursday, October 19, 2023 6:37 PM

Laughing here, oh yeah, rolling on the floor.

T

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Thursday, October 19, 2023 7:39 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

As the west will continue to decay...or maybe not

Pop?
Loud Classical
5th symphony, not Chopin's Piano
Rock
Sonata ?
dan du dun dun-dun, da dun dun donnnal
Beethoven Carmen Maria Callas>
something more cliche

and then Tucker

“The World Was Safer Under President Donald J. Trump.”
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111264204013313265

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Thursday, October 19, 2023 8:04 PM

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Laughing here, oh yeah, rolling on the floor.

Nobody cares, Ted.

We're not going to allow your regime to lock up their competition like we're some 3rd world shithole.

All signs point to a Trump/Biden* rematch, and all signs point to a large Biden* loss.

You'd better fix your fucking party. You're running out of time dicking around with things that aren't going to help you.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Friday, October 20, 2023 12:32 PM

Kenneth Chesebro, pleads guilty in Trump Georgia Rico act trial. He flipped and will testify against Trump.

Oops

T

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Friday, October 20, 2023 6:26 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Donald Trump fined $5,000 and warned twice about imprisonment

Judge Engoron said, “I want to make clear that Donald Trump is still responsible for the large machine, even if it is a large machine.”

He added: “In the current overheated climate incendiary untruths can and in some cases already has lead to serious physical harm and worse.”

In his order Friday, the judge repeated his warning in no uncertain terms: “Make no mistake: future violations, whether intentional or unintentional, will subject the violator to far more severe sanctions, which may include, but are not limited to, steeper financial penalties, holding Donald Trump in contempt of court, and possibly imprisoning him.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/20/politics/trump-social-media-fraud-trial
-warning/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, October 20, 2023 7:57 PM