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Scientific American Claims It Is "Misinformation" That There Are Just Two Sexes

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Tuesday, April 23, 2024 10:56 PM

SIGNYM

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WELL, ITS NOT THAT SIMPLE

If XX is female and XY is male, what is XXY? (Kleinfelter Syndrome)
XXX? (Triple X syndrome)
XXYY?
XYY?
Nature, being the real world, doesn't always follow our either-or classifications.

And then there is the development of sex characteristics, which depend on some genes turning on and others turning off. That's influenced by a number of in-utero factors: mom's hormonal status, chemicals and drugs during pregnancy etc. I mean, we've all seen some pretty thick- waisted, butch -looking women and some wide- hipped, soft- featured men, right? Doesn't change their genetics, but it does change their appearance and how people approach them.


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Scientific American Claims It Is "Misinformation" That There Are Just Two Sexes

Scientific American has published a piece claiming that “misinformation,” such as the notion that there are only two sexes, is “being used against transgender people” and in order to target “gender-affirming medical care.”

The article states that there are three types of “misinformation,” and they are “oversimplifying scientific knowledge, fabricating and misinterpreting research, and promoting false equivalences.”

The piece asserts that “Many of the arguments against trans rights center on the idea that transness itself is not legitimate - that there are just two sexes, period.”

There are only two sexes though.

It then turns to ‘scientist’ Simón(e) Sun, a self described trans(sexual) ándrógýne \ (neuro)biologist, pronouns in bio person and notes “You describe this idea as ‘sex essentialism.’ Can you explain that term, and talk about how it shapes the debate.”

They/she then states “Essentialism is the idea that you can take any phenomenon that is complex and distill it down to a particular set of traits. In the case of sex essentialism, the idea is that you can sufficiently describe sex by a few particular characteristics. In this debate, it used to be chromosomes, now it’s gametes (egg and sperm cells).”

Yeah, that is biology 101 and no matter how many times they/she says it’s changed and that anyone who doesn’t agree is a ‘transphobe’, it hasn’t.

All of this comes in the wake of a major long term study in the UK that concluded that treatment gender-confused children have been offered was built entirely on “shaky foundations” and that there is “no good evidence to support the global clinical practice of prescribing hormones to under-18s to pause puberty or transition to the opposite sex.”

The author of the review, retired consultant paediatrician Dr Cass, formerly the president of the Royal College of Paediatrics, called the evidence for life altering drugs “remarkably weak” and warned that transgender activists are the ones “deliberately spread(ing) misinformation.”

Since the review was published, Cass has been subject to abuse and cannot use public transport over fears for her safety.


Links to original article and X posts here
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/scientific-american-claims-it-misi
nformation-there-are-just-two-sexes


Not going to get into the "who you're attracted to" and "which sex would you like to be?" which doesn't seem inherent, mostly psychological, and heavily influenced by social factors. Not worth talking about, too woo-woo.

But for those who insist that there are ONLY two sexes ... genetics says otherwise.


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Wednesday, April 24, 2024 8:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


There are only two sexes.

Genetic disorders and mutations are simply genetic disorders and mutations.


As you said... "Doesn't change their genetics, but it does change their appearance and how people approach them. "

It's unfortunate when something happens that screws somebody before they're even born. It's about as unfortunate for them as being born below average intelligence, ugly or abnormally short. I don't think it's as bad as being born blind or deaf or without the use of all your appendages though.

I'm not going to deny that there aren't any problems when clearly in a small amount of cases there are, but that doesn't mean that anybody needs to conform to this new notion that there are more than 2 sexes.

Let's get the 0.005% of the population that needs help the help they need and stop trying to make the other 99.994% of the population to entertain their mental illnesses.




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Wednesday, April 24, 2024 10:52 PM

SIGNYM

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Oh, I agree.

I just wanted to caveat that a small number of people are genetically ambiguous or physically intersex

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The I stands for intersex, a biological variance that means a person's sex doesn't fit neatly into the boxes of "male" or "female"—based on their chromosomes, genital presentation, reproductive tissue, or some combination of the three.


These are true physical anomalies.

There are appx 0.25% of the population with sex chromosome abnormality (missing or extra) and approximately 0.05% who are physically ambiguous at birth (eg external genetalia, which is how babies are assigned at birth, doesn't match internal gonads or chromosomes)

So for me, there's always an asterix on the "two sexes" statement, with a little chip out for people being born the way they are.

But applying "nonbinary" to 99.75% of the population doesn't make sense. And when you can go from a nearly invisible minority claiming nonbinary status to a SIGNIFICANT minority of young people (25%) making the same claim 15 years later ... well, this clearly isn't sexual biology. It's either some sort of developmental pathology -possibly related to autism - or it's a social pathology, where it's seen as "cool" to claim nonbinary status and then be rewarded with lots and lots of unearned attention for it.


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Thursday, April 25, 2024 12:01 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I agree.

Why Are Conservatives So Obsessed With Trans Kids?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Why+Are+Conservatives+So+Obsessed+With
+Trans+Kids


I will save you the trouble of clicking the link. The shortest answer is Conservatives are Nuts.



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Thursday, April 25, 2024 12:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The answer is that you're fucking nuts, creep.

You people are disgusting. I'll bet Ted isn't going to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole because he knows you're nuts too.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 12:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, I agree.

I just wanted to caveat that a small number of people are genetically ambiguous or physically intersex

Quote:

The I stands for intersex, a biological variance that means a person's sex doesn't fit neatly into the boxes of "male" or "female"—based on their chromosomes, genital presentation, reproductive tissue, or some combination of the three.


These are true physical anomalies.

There are appx 0.25% of the population with sex chromosome abnormality (missing or extra) and approximately 0.05% who are physically ambiguous at birth (eg external genetalia, which is how babies are assigned at birth, doesn't match internal gonads or chromosomes)

So for me, there's always an asterix on the "two sexes" statement, with a little chip out for people being born the way they are.

But applying "nonbinary" to 99.75% of the population doesn't make sense. And when you can go from a nearly invisible minority claiming nonbinary status to a SIGNIFICANT minority of young people (25%) making the same claim 15 years later ... well, this clearly isn't sexual biology. It's either some sort of developmental pathology -possibly related to autism - or it's a social pathology, where it's seen as "cool" to claim nonbinary status and then be rewarded with lots and lots of unearned attention for it.


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Yeah. It's weird. Like, cult weird.

They're the ones charged with teaching our kids during their developmental years during the weekdays, and these people come into work and spend the morning talking to six year olds about their sex life.

I don't understand how any of this has been tolerated up until this point.

I don't understand the behavior of a lot of people these days.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 1:08 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The answer is that you're fucking nuts, creep.

You people are disgusting. I'll bet Ted isn't going to touch this thread with a 10 foot pole because he knows you're nuts too.

6ix, where you live in Indiana is wall-to-wall Trumptards so you don't have anybody but other nuts to compare yourself to. Where I live in Texas it is half Trumptards and half Democrats. The Trumptards are not prospering compared to the Democrats because the Trumptards are nuts who feel passionately about all kinds of nutty things and care nothing about what is important, which is the way that deeply flawed crazy people all over the world live. By the way, Trump will not be the next President because he is nuts like you Trumptards are.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 1:50 AM

SIGNYM

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Seems like DEMS are obsessed with trans kids.

Me? If there are trans kids it's very, very rare.
Most kids aren't thinking about sex unless they've been sexually abused.
And I think asking a kid what sex they want to be is like asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up.
How the hell do THEY know?
You only discover yourself thru experience over time. It's not something you decide when you're six, or twelve. That's just stupid.

But... Insult, lies, libel.

That's SECOND!
He wanted to be a sociopath when he grew up!

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:05 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seems like DEMS are obsessed with trans kids.

Me? If there are trans kids it's very, very rare.
Most kids aren't thinking about sex unless they've been sexually abused.
And I think asking a kid what sex they want to be is like asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up.
How the hell do THEY know?
You only discover yourself thru experience over time. It's not something you decide when you're six, or twelve. That's just stupid.

But... Insult, lies, libel.

That's SECOND!
He wanted to be a sociopath when he grew up!

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I don't think anybody wants to be a sociopath when they grow up.

At this point I have to assume his Republican voting uncle touched him where he shouldn't be touched when he was a kid.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seems like DEMS are obsessed with trans kids.

Me? If there are trans kids it's very, very rare.
Most kids aren't thinking about sex unless they've been sexually abused.
And I think asking a kid what sex they want to be is like asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up.
How the hell do THEY know?
You only discover yourself thru experience over time. It's not something you decide when you're six, or twelve. That's just stupid.

But... Insult, lies, libel.

That's SECOND!
He wanted to be a sociopath when he grew up!

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

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Or, any verification or thought.



I don't think anybody wants to be a sociopath when they grow up.

At this point I have to assume his Republican voting uncle touched him where he shouldn't be touched when he was a kid.

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6ix, you really are stupid. That could not have caused any problems for you because Americans love stupid people. Sorry. I got that backwards. Americans make fun of stupid people, as they do of Trump and his Trumptards.

Signym, I know from where your rotten behavior springs forth. You are much the same as every Trumptard: sick, fearful, drugged and despairing about your future. I have seen the dramatic and tragic life stories of many Trumptards and, assuming Texas Trumptards aren’t less fortunate than the average Trumptard, I know what will happen to you. It is not good and from that springs all your terrible behavior. Same goes for the prime Trumptard, Donald Trump.

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=65350&mid=11914
50#1191450
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Glad to know life's OK for you. I get a bit worried when you're not progressing on your projects.

On a Prednisone high for the past 2 weeks. Once I start weaning down I'll be depressed, tired, anxious and glued to the couch unless I start taking tranquilizers.

Made the mistake of reading up my dx. Maybe what I accessed was an old version of the Merck Manual, but the 5-year survival rate they quoted (80%) is even worse than the cancer survival rate (90%).
But based on other people's symptoms, all of the minor stuff has ALREADY happened to me, and I live with it. So AFAIK there are only a few important things to pay attention to, kidney failure and infection being top of the list.

So if I mind the important stuff, I'll take my treatments, and just keep on keeping on

And since I haven't formally started the heavy duty infusions yet I'm taking the oppty to do as much yardwork as possible.



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Thursday, April 25, 2024 11:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Shut the fuck up, freak.

Keep your creepy stalker ass out of the garden and your shitty comments to yourself.

Go terrorize your own family who got stuck with you.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 12:32 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seems like DEMS are obsessed with trans kids.

Me? If there are trans kids it's very, very rare.
Most kids aren't thinking about sex unless they've been sexually abused.
And I think asking a kid what sex they want to be is like asking a kid what they want to be when they grow up.
How the hell do THEY know?
You only discover yourself thru experience over time. It's not something you decide when you're six, or twelve. That's just stupid.

But... insult, lies, libel.

That's SECOND!
He wanted to be a sociopath when he grew up!

SECOND: Signym, I know from where your rotten behavior



WHAT rotten behavior?
I don't lie. I don't insult or hate, or cheer at other's misfortune. I don't think I'm better than everyone. I did my (environmental regulatory) job diligently. I care about my family, my city, my country (and almost everyone in it, except sociopaths), and the environment. I think children should not be hypersexualized. In fact, I think our SOCIETY should not be hypersexualized; that's as much "circus' as social media and it keeps us from thinking about serious things.

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Springs forth. You are much the same as every Trumptard: sick, fearful, drugged and despairing about your future.


I'm sick, but not despairing. I'm full of plans.

You OTOH post as if you'll never get sick and never die, which is just more of your delusional thinking.
But that's one thing I can abso-fucking-lutely guarantee will happen to you. I wonder how you'll react when reality -finally- comes crashing thru your wall of delusion.


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Thursday, April 25, 2024 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

I'm sick, but not despairing. I'm full of plans.

The best that could happen to a Trumptard is this cure for their concerns about LGBTQ: In the late 14th century, France’s King Charles VI refused to leave a bed of straw for fear of shattering into pieces. A few hundred years later, a less illustrious Frenchman reportedly went around with a cushion strapped to his backside because he believed that that particular body part might break when he sat down. In a conclusion that may be apocryphal, this man was “cured” by a doctor who beat him until he was forced to admit that the abused part was flesh after all, capable of feeling pain but not of smashing into shards.

The cure for Trumptards' LGBTQ concerns (make that all their concerns) is to be repeatedly kicked in the ass until their condition improves. Trump needs it. So do his Trumptards.

https://slate.com/culture/2024/04/hypochondria-history-book-caroline-c
rampton-body-glass.html


P.S. Signym, I've read more than enough from you to know you have nothing that looks like a "plan" or even a meaningful life. You are just angry poor white trash about to fall dead. Specifically the two words "Fuck Ukraine" give away the rottenness inside of Signym and 6ix.

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Thursday, April 25, 2024 3:33 PM

SIGNYM

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WTF?
You've truly descended to posting word salad.


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Thursday, April 25, 2024 5:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
The cure for Trumptards' LGBTQ concerns (make that all their concerns) is to be repeatedly kicked in the ass until their condition improves. Trump needs it. So do his Trumptards.



The only problem with that theory is there isn't a single man among you soy-filled faggots to get that job done.

It's the same reason that you won't dare start a second Civil War... yanno... since you wouldn't get to fight that one from behind your computer screen.

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P.S. Signym, I've read more than enough from you to know you have nothing that looks like a "plan" or even a meaningful life. You are just angry poor white trash about to fall dead. Specifically the two words "Fuck Ukraine" give away the rottenness inside of Signym and 6ix.


You're a real piece of shit. It's no wonder your parents hate you.



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Thursday, April 25, 2024 6:39 PM

SIGNYM

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Yeah, SECOND is a piece of shit.

But he posts what he posts to either derail the topic (especially if he just got his ass handed to him) or to discredit the other poster.

What he doesn't seem to realize is that he's discrediting himself. BIGLY!


Everything he's called me (Russian troll, Trumptard, angry, poor, trash, stupid, ignorant, meaningless... probably "racist", "sexist", "pro-authoritaian", and "Nazi" somewhere along the way too) is wrong. The ONLY thing he's gotten right is "white". It doesn't bother me. By now its kinda funny.




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Thursday, April 25, 2024 8:03 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah, SECOND is a piece of shit.

But he posts what he posts to either derail the topic (especially if he just got his ass handed to him) or to discredit the other poster.

What he doesn't seem to realize is that he's discrediting himself. BIGLY!


Everything he's called me (Russian troll, Trumptard, angry, poor, trash, stupid, ignorant, meaningless... probably "racist", "sexist", "pro-authoritaian", and "Nazi" somewhere along the way too) is wrong. The ONLY thing he's gotten right is "white". It doesn't bother me. By now its kinda funny.





I'm glad it doesn't bother you.

I'll try not to get as angry on your behalf about it in the future.

You know he does this to me all the time and I deal with his idiocy, but I know you're going through some shit (again), and now he's saying really nasty stuff about it (again), and I just got infuriated when I read that post. That's the type of behavior that deserves a good punch in the face if you ever dare say something like that out loud in public to somebody.

He's just an awful human being who is desperately in need of some help.

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Saturday, April 27, 2024 9:12 PM

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Are these genetic anomalies able to reproduce?

Do their offspring have the same, or different anomaly?

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 1:26 AM

SIGNYM

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The most common scrambles are Turner Syndrome and Klinefelter's Syndrome. Of those, mst are infertile but some aren't.

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 2:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The most common scrambles are Turner Syndrome and Klinefelter's Syndrome. Of those, mst are infertile but some aren't.

If they are incapable of reproducing, that seems a poor definition of a new sex. Most offspring require a capable male along with a capable female.


Those that do reproduce, does the anomaly produce in the offspring?

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 11:57 AM

SIGNYM

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If you're using fertility to define a sex, that automatically excludes the prepubescent , the elderly, and about 10% of reproductive -age individuals who are chromosomally normal but infertile for other reasons. Which excludes 50-70% of individuals.

I'm not saying there is "a" "new" sex. You're misinterpreting my meaning. I think it's appropriate to define males as chromosomally XY, females as chromosomally XX, AND whose internal and external gonads match each other and their karyotypes.

nd that works .... 99% of the time.

BUT there are instances where this doesn't work.

If we INSIST on jamming people into one category or the other, FWIW the presence of a Y chromosome confers (some) male characteristics, even if accompanied by extra X chromosomes or fragments. The absence of Y chromosome confers female characteristics even with supernumary X chromosomes or fragments. AFA people who are developmentally scrambled*, they are usually raised as whatever it is that they look like externally, no matter what their genes or internal gonads are, and most choose to continue to live that way.
*i.e. looks female at birth but really has undescended testicles and a very small penis.

But I would certainly make a MEDICAL decision for sex reassignment for those intersex individuals who feel misclassified at birth, bc there are PHYSICAL reasons for that.
Not for "psychological" reasons.

For people who feel constrained by biology into a sex role ... well, that's their problem, not ours.

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


BTW, I'd like to make a philosophical point:

When we say a word, we have some sort of idealized vision of what it means, and we envision that nature adheres to our definitions. In reality, things often occur on a spectrum and rather than being sharp-edged and brightly defined, the edges are blurred.

So, setting aside the contentious words "human" and "male" and "female"...

Try defining the word "cup".

You THINK you know what it means. Until you realize you don't.

If you play along with me and give me your definition, I'll show you that is so.


Define "cup":

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:35 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The most common scrambles are Turner Syndrome and Klinefelter's Syndrome. Of those, mst are infertile but some aren't.

If they are incapable of reproducing, that seems a poor definition of a new sex. Most offspring require a capable male along with a capable female.


Those that do reproduce, does the anomaly produce in the offspring?

Don't you know anything about biology and fertilization??

It's like any other genetic disease.

Chromosomes occur in 23 pairs in human cells, except in eggs and sperm. Eggs and sperm each contain only one set of chromosomes, and it's a 50/50 shot which chromosomes an egg or sperm inherits. It could contain a defective chromosome, or they could be all good.

It isn't until an egg fuses with a sperm to produce a full set of 23 pairs that development begins.

But again, one of those chromosomes could be defective. If defective, child inherits the defect.

So it's possible that child inherits this particular defect, but not a certainty. Roll of the dice, I suppose.

Given that people with scrambled sex chromosomes are USUALLY infertile, the likelihood of inheritance is low, but still there.

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 5:44 PM

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If you're using fertility to define a sex, that automatically excludes the prepubescent , the elderly, and about 10% of reproductive -age individuals who are chromosomally normal but infertile for other reasons. Which excludes 50-70% of individuals.

I'm not saying there is "a" "new" sex. You're misinterpreting my meaning. I think it's appropriate to define males as chromosomally XY, females as chromosomally XX, AND whose internal and external gonads match each other and their karyotypes.

nd that works .... 99% of the time.

BUT there are instances where this doesn't work.

If we INSIST on jamming people into one category or the other, FWIW the presence of a Y chromosome confers (some) male characteristics, even if accompanied by extra X chromosomes or fragments. The absence of Y chromosome confers female characteristics even with supernumary X chromosomes or fragments. AFA people who are developmentally scrambled*, they are usually raised as whatever it is that they look like externally, no matter what their genes or internal gonads are, and most choose to continue to live that way.
*i.e. looks female at birth but really has undescended testicles and a very small penis.

But I would certainly make a MEDICAL decision for sex reassignment for those intersex individuals who feel misclassified at birth, bc there are PHYSICAL reasons for that.
Not for "psychological" reasons.

For people who feel constrained by biology into a sex role ... well, that's their problem, not ours.

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In the animal kingdom, these genetic defects are left to die on their own, or in some cases are even killed and eaten by their own kind. Not just because they are weak and a burden to the herd, but as a survival mechanism for the future development of the species.

Maybe we'll luck out as a species...

We're the only one that has done everything possible to reverse survival of the fittest, no matter what the cost in the end is.

We'll probably all be too retarded to destroy the planet eventually.

Unfortunately though, now that I think about it, all the doomsday devices necessary to see that through have already been made. It's kind of terrifying thinking about a future where everybody is in middling double-digit IQs. It's kind of like apes having a big shiny red button that ends the world when they inevitability press it.

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Sunday, April 28, 2024 9:06 PM

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It would be interesting to see what the prevalence of sex ... or even other ... genetic defects occur in mammals and birds. I don't think Ive ever seen a study.

But there's one gene that's often selected AGAINST, and that's the male gene, the Y chromosome.

Among mammals and birds, the rate limiting step for reproduction is with the female. Males can reproduce in a few seconds. Female mammals have to go thru gestation and (for mammals) nursing. So there's a high species survival value on having as many females survive as possible.

Males? Maybe not so much. One thing to look at is the female/ male ratio of various species. It tells us a lot about that species' reproductive strategy.

The one thing that can save males from superfluousness is if they significantly and regularly contribute to the survival of the young. That happens among many birds, where female AND male gather food for the young. It also happens among humans, because human babies, like baby birds, have prodigious demands that can only be satisfied by multiple adults.

What happens to "excess" males in many other species is that they're gotten rid of thru competiton, where most mature males are driven out of the herd/ pride/ crowd, away from prime feeding grounds and protection, where they live a short existence either by themselves or in fractious bachelor groups.

Anyway, if we'regojngvto look at sex chromosomes and which one(s) are favored by evolution, we should look at males and females as well.

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Monday, April 29, 2024 3:42 PM

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It would be interesting to see what the prevalence of sex ... or even other ... genetic defects occur in mammals and birds. I don't think Ive ever seen a study.

But there's one gene that's often selected AGAINST, and that's the male gene, the Y chromosome.

Among mammals and birds, the rate limiting step for reproduction is with the female. Males can reproduce in a few seconds. Female mammals have to go thru gestation and (for mammals) nursing. So there's a high species survival value on having as many females survive as possible.

Males? Maybe not so much. One thing to look at is the female/ male ratio of various species. It tells us a lot about that species' reproductive strategy.

The one thing that can save males from superfluousness is if they significantly and regularly contribute to the survival of the young. That happens among many birds, where female AND male gather food for the young. It also happens among humans, because human babies, like baby birds, have prodigious demands that can only be satisfied by multiple adults.

What happens to "excess" males in many other species is that they're gotten rid of thru competiton, where most mature males are driven out of the herd/ pride/ crowd, away from prime feeding grounds and protection, where they live a short existence either by themselves or in fractious bachelor groups.

Anyway, if we'regojngvto look at sex chromosomes and which one(s) are favored by evolution, we should look at males and females as well.

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At a population of over 8 Billion, we're all superfluous.

Women... Human Women... become a treasured commodity in bad times such as war or plague. When EVERYTHING was scary back in the days before we figured out how to build good shelter and before we figured out agriculture, this was certainly the truth.

In a society where we're not only teaching young women not to have kids at our schools, but actively supplying them with the means to prevent pregnancy and abort the children, often without their parents even being aware their daughters are sexually active, women do not have that special status and are little more than weaker and prettier men with tits.

Not only that, but we are likely the only animal on the planet with the ability to logic and reason and do things contrary to any instinctual urges for survival.

I do understand what you're saying and where you're trying to go with it. It just simply doesn't apply to humankind in 2024. It did for most of the history of humanity, and I suspect it will again in the future at some point. But if and when it happens again, it's going to be because times have gotten much, much, much worse than they are now.



ETA: Here's a good, recent article about the above...

Births dropped in 2023, ending pandemic baby boom

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/25/us-births-drop-2023

We were never in any real danger from Covid, and there wasn't a time during it all where we weren't pumping out far more babies than were dying of Covid, BUT, with all the irresponsible reporting on the issue from the Legacy Media for 2 years, there was a vast sense of unease during that time. That appears to have been enough for a mini-boom in baby births in the US.

But now we're at a replacement rate of 1.62 per woman during 2023. The lowest point in nearly a century.

We're all superfluous with 8 Billion of us on the planet.



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Wednesday, May 1, 2024 12:12 PM

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We're not superfluous. That's that anti-human outlook that the elites have planted in your brain. It makes you discount all humans, some more than others, as being not worthy of care. In your mind, "they" are vermin and a threat to your standard of living. Same attitude how the elites view YOU, along with the rest of the 8 billion superfluous human vermin.

Many in the western world apply that thinking to themselves too. Guilty for eating, guilty for breathing. Think Greta Thunberg.

Trust me, the elites have cynically implanted that in OTHER people so those others will voluntarily reduce their standard of living, submit to the yoke, reduce the number of their births. The elites don't apply that to THEMSELVES, of course, since they are so much MORE than everyone else!

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At the same time, I'm not one of those LaRouche people who think that the world has infinite carying capacity. It doesn't.

Where I balk is at the "solutions" that the elite propose. There is alwasybthe underlying assumption that whatever is proposed won't hurt them, or will actually benefit them.

So when it is (quietly) suggested that "we" should rid ourselves of at least a billion people, the unstated assumption is that the poorest will go bc "they" are the problem. They are NOT the problem. Their resource use barely registers as a blip.

Flip that on its head: let's start with the richest billion. As a thought experiment, it's very revealing of people's attitudes to themselves, the rich, and the poor. Many people will be more resistant, for one rationalization or another, to killing the wealthy. We often find we subconsciously revere the wealthy, just as we were trained. ("Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous", anyone?)

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