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Some Covid-19 thoughts
Thursday, August 5, 2021 7:30 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: If you recall, it was China going thru the expense and effort of building large, "instant hospitals" in Wuhan that - for me - was the "tipping point" between "is this really something, or is this nothing?" Whether they were really a functional response to the virus or a giant publicity stunt didn't matter, because they were responding to SOMETHING that was roiling Wuhan and sickening/killing people.
Thursday, August 5, 2021 9:57 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: KIKI doesn't get her "info" from Memeology 101 - which I personally find is not any better (as a source of data) than the cartoons that THUGR posts. It's just really highly filtered opinion.
Thursday, August 5, 2021 11:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:vaccinated against Covid-19 OR be frequently tested mask guidance colleges demand that students, faculty and staff have their shots Corporate America (Google) is beginning to follow suit (for those returning to the workplace rather than working from home) universal vaccine mandates at hospitals, clinics and other health-care settings Well - AHEM ! - as mentioned previously, employers have the right to demand employees do anything legal as a condition of employment. I'm not saying I support it, but it's a bit hard for me to be outraged about a ship that sailed over 30 years ago. And schools have always required a certain level of vaccination for attendance. Again, I'm not saying I'm for it in this case, but unless laws are changed substantially, this is a done deal. Federal workers have a choice - vaccine OR testing. Finally, healthcare is one area where I might support universal vaccination. One should recognize that the population potentially being exposed is already extremely vulnerable, and that they're in a situation about which they don't have a choice. But I would think that before vaccination, N95 masks should be a requirement.
Quote:vaccinated against Covid-19 OR be frequently tested mask guidance colleges demand that students, faculty and staff have their shots Corporate America (Google) is beginning to follow suit (for those returning to the workplace rather than working from home) universal vaccine mandates at hospitals, clinics and other health-care settings
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Did you read of their research personally YES, I read original research to form my opinions, and not stories ABOUT research. I make a point of tracking down original research for important events. And while I haven't read ALL research, I've read hundreds of research papers to date. Quote:or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there? NO. I don't want to read stories ABOUT research, I want to read research, and I seek it out, and fault stories that don't link it. Honest reporting should always include links to original information. Quote:Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated? It's like global warming. If you don't understand the basic science, you can imagine that there is all sorts of nefarious misinformation, instead of what is in reality well-demonstrated fact. And yes, I know enough to separate out the BS from the legit. Quote:Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning. Where the virus really came from is still an unknown. Just FYI. And nobody is on the same page, like they would be if they were in a grand conspiracy. Quote: ... the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all. Well - not EVERY country is financially tied to the US (City of London). Not Russia, or China, or Vietnam, or Cuba, or Venezuela, or Burundi, or ... and the US is certainly not spreading around enough to buy every research group. every hospital, every health care worker, every news service, every government, and private citizens by the thousands of millions around the globe. Quote:Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case? You confuse "the west" with the entire planet. Believe it or not, there are whole countries not enmeshed with "the west".
Quote:Did you read of their research personally
Quote:or are you reading what the CDC, WHO and John Hopkins tells you are in there?
Quote:Have you done any research on whether or not any of that data or those studies are legit science and not politically or monetarily motivated?
Quote:Everybody in those organizations has been lying to us about things like where the virus came from since the beginning.
Quote: ... the US has a dollar tied to Oil and has printing presses running 24/7 and we're giving money to almost everybody else in the world with very little oversight and zero chance anybody is ever going to trace it all.
Quote:Has Covid-19 really made you forget about US Imperialism, multi-national corporations that have no loyalty to the US or the US Constitution, or the fact that we're essentially a one-world government at this point with just enough autonomy to give the illusion that this isn't already the case?
Friday, August 6, 2021 4:38 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: SIGNYM: KIKI doesn't get her "info" from Memeology 101 - which I personally find is not any better (as a source of data) than the cartoons that THUGR posts. It's just really highly filtered opinion. SIX: You're being just as much of an idiot as you claim JO or Ted or I is being if you really think I get any info from Memology 101.
Quote: SIX: I know he's been wrong at least twice.
Quote: SIX: As for Kiki, I see she ignored my reply to her post entirely.
Quote: SIX: So did you... But you went a step further and dismissed me completely by making my enjoyment of Memology 101 your argument.
Quote: SIX: That's a play right out of Ted's or Second's book.
Friday, August 6, 2021 8:48 AM
Friday, August 6, 2021 8:52 AM
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ... ... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes. I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: One blowhard mouthing off on a channel that even you say gets no viewers ... ... this is just more of an attempt to stampede people, to "manufacture consent" as the phrase goes. I'd wait to see if the idea was getting traction anywhere important before I figured it was a sealed fate.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: But wait... There's more... STEP 4
Quote:In New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio correctly said masking is a secondary concern when "the whole ball game is vaccination." And he is acting on it, announcing Tuesday that the city will require proof of vaccination in the form of a health pass for entrance into gyms, restaurants, and indoor entertainment venues. The city will begin enforcing the program -- the first of its kind in a US city -- on September 13, he said. It's a necessary and overdue step. But why aren't more cities and states taking it? And more importantly: Why isn't President Joe Biden?
Quote:The latest example is New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who on Monday said that he is asking private restaurants and bars to require proof of vaccination for entry. He's right -- they should. But why place the burden of creating sensible public health mandates on private businesses? Cuomo is, after all, the governor. If he believes, as he says, that it is in the "best interests" of these businesses -- and ostensibly the public -- to have inessential indoor events reserved for the vaccinated, why not make that the policy of New York state?
Quote:I can't even finish this article. It's so fucking bad. That's a rarity. I can even make it through most Vox and Salon articles I read. At least they're usually unintentionally funny. This dumb bitch actually thinks that calling them "health passes" instead of "vaccine passports" will make them work. I bet this no-doubt-woke-as-fuck-dummy doesn't even realize that what she's suggestion means that almost no black people in New York would have any freedoms at all if it came true. Or maybe she does and she doesn't care. Democrats are racists after all.
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: https://www.bloombergquint.com/gadfly/as-delta-spreads-covid-vaccine-mandates-are-an-urgent-necessity Keep pretending I'm making this stuff up.
Quote:BELOW: NOT one blowhard from CNN. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/07/31/cdc_director_walensky_on_vaccine_mandate_thats_something_the_administration_is_looking_into.html Quote:Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies." "As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."
Quote:Walensky on vaccine mandates: "You know, that's something that I think the administration is looking into. It's something that I think we're looking to see approval from the vaccine. Overall, I think, in general, I am all for more vaccination. But I have nothing further to say on that, except that we're looking into those policies." "As that science evolves, I evolve, with our -- with the CDC, the guidance," Walensky said. "What I will say is, I continue to be humbled by this virus. I have no interest in continuing mask guidance. And the best way to stop a new variant from spreading is to have less virus out there."
Friday, August 6, 2021 1:22 PM
Friday, August 6, 2021 1:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: A) I didn't see Kiki's post. My bad.
Quote: SIX: B) I get my information from the lies that they've told us all of our lives.
Quote: SIX: You and Kiki are on board with this one because they terrorized you. Maybe if all other things were the same but you were my age or younger, you wouldn't be acting the way you are.
Friday, August 6, 2021 7:11 PM
THG
Friday, August 6, 2021 8:38 PM
Friday, August 6, 2021 10:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, SIX, I've been noodling on your reaction and it still seems to me that you're spoiling for a fight bc no matter how many times we AGREE with you, you just keep coming back with more angry accusations and demands.
Quote:So here's what I think. Instead of saying that you're terrified of COVID-19, let's just say you feel threatened. Not by the virus itself .... You've made that abundantly clear,
Quote:and in your age group and with no responsibility to anyone but yourself, you SHOULDN'T be worried...
Quote:but you feel threatened by anyone who thinks differently. And, like many people who feel threatened, you've slipped into "flight or fight" mode, and you're lashing out, seeing people as enemies who are actually on your side.
Quote:You don't even allow others to take reasonable measures of self-protection
Quote:I would ask myself, if I were you, what the root cause of your offthechart reaction is. There must be some "ism" that's causing this. I would love to know what it is.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 2:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, SIX, I've been noodling on your reaction and it still seems to me that you're spoiling for a fight bc no matter how many times we AGREE with you, you just keep coming back with more angry accusations and demands. SIX: I don't see it as you're agreeing with me. Your toes are halfway in the water. Kiki's ready to pull them out.
Quote:SIGNY: So here's what I think. Instead of saying that you're terrified of COVID-19, let's just say you feel threatened. Not by the virus itself .... You've made that abundantly clear SIX: You're 100% correct about that one. SIGNY: and in your age group and with no responsibility to anyone but yourself, you SHOULDN'T be worried... SIX: That, and the fact that I never bought into any of it in the first place.
Quote:SIGNY: but you feel threatened by anyone who thinks differently. And, like many people who feel threatened, you've slipped into "flight or fight" mode, and you're lashing out, seeing people as enemies who are actually on your side. SIX: You need to separate your reactions from Kiki's here. You two don't see completely eye to eye either. You say that you don't think anybody should be forcing vaccinations on anyone, period.
Quote:SIX: Kiki knows that it's wrong for the government to allow corporations to do so, but then says "oh well... They've been doing it for decades now, so there's nothing that can be done about it. I'm okay with it I guess since it makes me feel safer if everyone has one."
Quote:SIGNY: You don't even allow others to take reasonable measures of self-protection SIX: Oh? How so?
Quote: SIX: By all means, wear a mask for the rest of your life. Get an experimental shot and hope it doesn't give you cancer or cause your kids to not be able to have any of their own. Or worse. Do whatever you like.
Quote: SIX: If you tell me that I can't come to your party unless I'm vaccinated, our friendship is over and/or our family ties are cut. You'd better just not invite me in the first place, hope that I didn't hear about the party from other people, and/or be really good at lying when you tell me that the invite was lost in the mail.
Quote:SIGNY: I would ask myself, if I were you, what the root cause of your offthechart reaction is. There must be some "ism" that's causing this. I would love to know what it is. SIX: I don't know about ism. I don't trust a single person in our government on either side. I don't trust the Media. I don't trust big corporations. I don't trust the Medical Establishment. I don't trust Big Pharma. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM have their hands in this.
Quote: SIX: And whether it be a gain of power or a gain of money or both, they all stand to benefit from it. Every single one of them. And none of them give a single shit about you or me or the elderly or the children or a single good goddamned one of us. But they'll never miss an opportunity to tell you how much they do.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:28 AM
Quote: Kiki ... says ... I'm okay with it I guess since it makes me feel safer if everyone has one."
Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:13 AM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:24 AM
Quote:Pfizer and Moderna have started testing the vaccine in children under the age of 12.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 7:08 AM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: little boy poo-poo his pants becawas he scaaaared
Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:50 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: There was a poster here, AURAPTOR ("RAPPY") who was convinced ... CONVINCED, I tell you! ... that Saddam had WMD. Nothing could convince him otherwise. Not even when GWB's teams searched Iraq high and low and only found remnants of deteriorated, decades-old chemical weapons shells, but no evidence of ONGOING WMD production and deployment, which might have justified an invasion.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: little boy poo-poo his pants becawas he scaaaared fify Oh, and HOW old are you? Grow the fuck up.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 1:28 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 1:43 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 2:51 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:10 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I don't post quotes or links because I like to lie and troll ... because I'm scaaaaawed.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:14 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: And now for the political considerations, That's murkier because there are more actors with a lot more considerations. It's like the Iraq War II: Some were Armageddonists and believed it would lead us one step closer to the Rapture. Some were following the PNAC/Netenyahu dream of destroying five of Israel's enemies in the ME. Some were dreaming of all that OIL that had been sequestered in the ground for over a decade bc of sanctions on Iraq Some wanted to add one more piece to the "surround Russia" puzzle. At least one person wanted to burnish his wartime record and do what his daddy didn't, which was take Baghdad. And some were propping up the petrodollar, because Russia and France had written up NON-DOLLAR oil deals with Iraq, and it only took Hans Blix's UNMOVIC finding that Iraq was in substantial compliance with UN mandates to unblock Iraq and ink the contracts. I would bet that you would be hard-pressed to find ANYONE in the security state or WH who believed that Saddam had a WMD program or had anything to do wth 911. I personally think that the petrodollar was the prime consideration, since the closer Blix got to wrapping up his investigation the more frantic the GWB administration got. In fact, it was OUR BOMBING that cahsed Hans Blix out of Iraq. So, yeah: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED indeed! I give this as an example of the complicated factionalism that drives DC. I have to go and walk the dog, but I'll try to unpack the politics around covid-19 when I get back. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: OH, btw 'Jack', AS I POSTED, it's perfectly legal for employers to require vaccinations JUST LIKE THEY REQUIRE DRUG TESTING. Now tell me that the drug testing precedent of 30 years ago is irrelevant.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: An employee who is terminated for failing to comply with company policies is not eligible for unemployment benefits, which would include refusing to comply with a company’s COVID-19 prevention policies, masking requirements or vaccine requirements.
Quote:“If you quit because of the mandate then you’d have to have good cause attributable to the employer in order to collect unemployment benefits,” Dixon said. “Good cause is usually viewed from that of a reasonable person. Given the overwhelming evidence of the safety of the vaccine, it’s likely that good cause would not be found” in the case of a person who quits a job because of a vaccine mandate.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:44 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:48 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: The fact that you have a dick and I don't is completely relevant to the way you behave towards FACTS that I post.
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: You're a piece of loser shit. Who can't take being openly challenged by a female because you've got mommy issues so big they scream at everyone from across the country.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:50 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 3:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I doesn't take a 'better' to crap on the board. It just takes a load of crap. Like yours.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 4:48 PM
Quote:I doesn't, huh? lol
Saturday, August 7, 2021 4:55 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 5:22 PM
Saturday, August 7, 2021 6:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:I doesn't, huh? lol LOL indeed. You're an idiot who can't field a legitimate argument.
Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:53 PM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:56 AM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 3:22 AM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:20 AM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 9:31 AM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare.
Sunday, August 8, 2021 10:43 AM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The CDC can just swoop in and tell landlords that they can't collect their fucking rent. Does that seem right to you? Checkmate. Bitches.
Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:27 PM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I appreciate both.
Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:32 PM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:36 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: BTW, I don't appreciate sincerity. Being sincere is easy. Being objective is much harder, and very rare. Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I appreciate both. No you don't. Your brother was entirely sincere with his 'vax or you're not welcome' policy. And you don't appreciate that one bit. And then, here you are, being neither objective nor sincere.
Sunday, August 8, 2021 1:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: A bunch of legal gobbledy gook so retards like you can pretend that bad things aren't bad. Fuck you, Second. You'd be screaming right now if you owned real estate. You're missing the point anyhow. While we're going to pretend that the Government can't prevent a business from instituting a vaccine mandate, let's also get rid of the minimum wage mandate.
Sunday, August 8, 2021 4:03 PM
Sunday, August 8, 2021 5:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: appreciate: To be thankful or show gratitude for. I don't think you ever thanked your brother or showed gratitude for his decision.
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