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Thursday, April 2, 2020 3:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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The voters in some states, not all, gave it to the GOP. Until those particular voters stop giving the GOP power with their votes, the wealthy GOP "elite" will continue strangling and squeezing out money.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

And yet democrats did literally nothing to change the numbers of people going bankrupt for lack of, or underwhelming, medical insurance; of people dying from manageable diseases like diabetes and hypertension; of people dying from opioid addiction; of greenhouse gas emissions; of people in poverty; of jobs lost to foreign competitors; or the federal deficit ... democrats are no better on any metric I can find.

So - show me the money - or the proof - that democrats are a viable alternative. Show me ONE metric where democrats reversed a trend.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:16 PM

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‘China poisoned our people,’ says campaign ad from Houston candidate for Congress Kathaleen Wall

April 2, 2020 3:39 p.m

Republican congressional candidate Kathaleen Wall is using the coronavirus outbreak as the centerpiece for a new campaign ad airing in the Houston media market.

“China poisoned our people,” a narrator says in the ad, which then lauds President Donald Trump for calling COVID-19 the “Chinese virus.”

“Wall will cut off trade, aid, and support to China,” the narrator says. “China is a criminal enterprise masquerading as a sovereign nation.”

Wall is hardly alone in trying to place blame for the coronavirus outbreak on China. Other Texas Republicans including U.S. Sens John Cornyn and Ted Cruz have pinned blame on China for their mishandling of the virus at the start of the outbreak.

“It’s no coincidence China’s been the source of most of these contagions breaking out — SARS, MERS, the swine flu — because of some of the cultural practices there,” Cornyn said in mid-March in which he pinpointed exotic markets in China where bats and snakes are served.

Cornyn’s statement was rated False by the independent fact-checking group PolitiFact.

During an interview on KFYO radio in Lubbock, Cruz made clear China “bears enormous responsibility” for letting the pandemic get out of control.

“For months they tried to keep it secret,” Cruz said.

Wall’s ad is airing as she donates portable hand sanitizers to the Houston Police Officers Union. In a picture of the donation posted on her Twitter page, the hand sanitizers have a “Made in China” label on them.

Wall is running for the 22nd Congressional District, which includes most of Fort Bend County and portions of Brazoria and Harris counties. She and former Fort Bend County Sheriff Troy Nehls are battling in a Republican Primary runoff now scheduled for July 14.

Nehls won 40 percent of the vote during the March 3 Republican primary to Wall’s 19 percent. The race was forced into a runoff because no candidate hit 50 percent of the vote.

Democrat Sri Preston Kulkarni will face the winner in November in the general election. He was quick to blast Wall’s ad.

“Irresponsible, race-baiting comments like these from Kathaleen Wall are unacceptable and dangerous to TX-22’s large Asian American and Pacific Islander population, who are intimately aware of the FBI warning about the recent surge of hate crimes against their community,” Kulkarni said.

The candidates are battling to replace U.S. Rep. Pete Olson, R-Sugar Land, who announced in 2019 he would not seek re-election. In 2018, Olson won re-election but by just 5 percentage points, leading Democrats to make the race one of their top targets in the 2020 elections.

www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/China-poisoned-our-people-says-c
ampaign-ad-15174600.php




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Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:53 PM

THG


Just read comrade kiki's last post demeaning democrats. What a fucking liar.

Shoo troll, slither back under your rock.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 5:54 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


And yet democrats did literally nothing to change the numbers of people going bankrupt for lack of, or underwhelming, medical insurance; of people dying from manageable diseases like diabetes and hypertension; of people dying from opioid addiction; of greenhouse gas emissions; of people in poverty; of an increasing GINI; of jobs lost to foreign competitors; or the federal deficit ... democrats are no better on any metric I can find.

So - show me the money - or the proof - that democrats are a viable alternative. Show me ONE metric where democrats reversed a trend through their policies.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:40 PM

THG


Bullshit comrade kiki. And if you repost it again, I'll post it in the garden thread.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Show me the money.

Show me what it was that democrats did better than republicans IN TERMS OF RESULTS.

Anyone can whine and dissemble, and democrats do it better than most. What I don't see are results.

Meanwhile, keep racking up the libel!

(BTW, I hope you realize that SECOND sees you as no more than expendable cannon fodder, eager to do something he himself won't risk. Just fyi.)


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Thursday, April 2, 2020 6:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Originally posted by THG:
Bullshit comrade kiki. And if you repost it again, I'll post it in the garden thread.

T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.


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Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Show me the money.

Show me what it was that democrats did better than republicans IN TERMS OF RESULTS.

Anyone can whine and dissemble, and democrats do it better than most. What I don't see are results.

Meanwhile, keep racking up the libel!

(BTW, I hope you realize that SECOND sees you as no more than expendable cannon fodder, eager to do something he himself won't risk. Just fyi.)


The good news is that the $2 trillion CARES Act (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act) Congress passed last week does, on paper, provide a lot of economic life support. The bad news is that it looks as if it could be weeks, maybe even months, before serious amounts of money flow to those who need aid right now.

Journalists keep referring to the CARES Act as a “stimulus package,” but mainly it’s disaster relief. The best piece of the legislation — which, by the way, Democrats forced unwilling Republicans to include — is a major enhancement of unemployment benefits. Not only will laid-off workers get much more than they normally would, but many workers who weren’t previously covered by unemployment insurance, such as freelancers and independent contractors, are supposed to receive full benefits.

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/opinion/coronavirus-economy-stimulus.html

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Friday, April 3, 2020 5:17 AM

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America Is On Lockdown—Except in the South

Based on cellphone location data, the New York Times was able to draw a map of where and when people started complying with coronavirus stay-at-home orders. The answer is infuriating:



The map doesn’t look this way because people in the South are idiots. It’s almost certainly because they’re conservative and they watch a lot of Fox News. They also listen to President Trump. And Rush Limbaugh. And what they heard was that the coronavirus was “just a bad cold.” That “within a couple of days it’s going to be down to close to zero.” That the hysteria was nothing but a “new hoax” from Democrats who want to bring down the president.

For weeks that’s what they heard. And they believed it. And so they resisted taking it seriously. That’s starting to shift now that Trump and the conservative noise machine have changed their tune, but it’s several weeks too late. What a shameful performance.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/america-is-on-lockdown-except-i
n-the-south
/

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Friday, April 3, 2020 5:45 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK




Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 3, 2020 6:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Show me the money.

Show me what it was that democrats did better than republicans IN TERMS OF RESULTS.

Anyone can whine and dissemble, and democrats do it better than most. What I don't see are results.

This week Trump destroyed what Obama did and the destruction will cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars. It is difficult to focus on anything other than Covid-19 in our current news environment, but spare a moment for President Trump’s new fuel economy standards, announced in final form on Tuesday.

They replace the Obama administration’s standards, which would have pushed the US auto fleet to an average efficiency of 54.5 mpg by 2025, with standards that would reach only 40 mpg (a goal the industry expects to exceed even without a rule). By the Trump administration’s calculations, the change will result in almost a billion more tons of greenhouse gases emitted over the next five years. In one stroke, the best thing Obama ever did for climate change —addressing the most carbon-intensive sector of the US economy — has become the worst thing Trump has done for climate change.

The public overwhelmingly opposes the change. Consumer groups, environmental groups, business groups, and conservative groups oppose it. Even the auto industry is tepid. To a first approximation, the only people truly happy with the change are oil company executives, who will now be able to sell more gasoline.

www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/4/2/21202509/trump-climate-cha
nge-fuel-economy-standards-coronavirus-pandemic-peak


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Friday, April 3, 2020 7:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Show me the money.

Show me what it was that democrats did better than republicans IN TERMS OF RESULTS.

Anyone can whine and dissemble, and democrats do it better than most. What I don't see are results.

Trump is stealing from Democrats and giving the money to Republicans: How Trump’s impeachment trial foreshadowed his handling of the coronavirus crisis. Professor Pamela Karlan tried to warn us.

President Donald Trump’s frustration with Democratic governors who have the temerity to criticize his administration’s flailing response to the coronavirus isn’t just leading him to post sour tweets about them. It’s also reflected in disparities surrounding which states are receiving the medical resources they need to keep patients alive and health care workers healthy.

It’s a situation at least one woman, Stanford law professor Pamela Karlan, saw coming, and warned about during Trump’s impeachment trial. In hindsight, her comments look remarkably prescient.

That trial, you might recall, was all about Trump’s abuses of power as it pertained to his efforts to leverage foreign aid to Ukraine into investigations of his domestic political foes. While the details underpinning that scandal may have seemed obscure to many Americans, Karlan in December sounded an alarm about what Trump’s behavior could entail in the event of a domestic crisis like the one the country now faces.

Referring to Trump’s effort to use congressionally appropriated foreign aid as a quid pro quo for political favors, Karlan asked members of Congress to think about what it would look like if Trump subjected governors to similar treatment.

“Imagine living in a part of Louisiana or Texas that’s prone to devastating hurricanes and flooding,” Karlan said. “What would you think if you lived there, and your governor asked for a meeting with the president to discuss getting disaster aid that Congress has provided for. What would you think if that president said, ‘I would like you to do us a favor. I’ll meet with you, and I’ll send the disaster relief, once you brand my opponent a criminal.’ Wouldn’t you know in your gut that such a president had abused his office?”

The professor’s point was that while Trump using his public office to try and force the Ukrainian government may not seem like an obvious abuse of power to some Americans, it clearly would in a hypothetical situation where he dealt with their elected officials in the same manner.

Unfortunately, less than four months after Karlan uttered those words, the hypothetical she outlined has come uncomfortably close to reality.

More at www.vox.com/2020/4/2/21204228/trump-coronavirus-crisis-impeachment-tri
al-professor-pamela-karlan-warning


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Friday, April 3, 2020 11:29 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The VOX article: All blather and no ... what's that word again? Oh yeah ... evidence.

Here's VOX:

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This is more than just rhetoric. On Wednesday, the Washington Post reported that while staunch Trump ally Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) “promptly” received all of the supplies he asked for from the federal government, states with Democratic governors such as Wisconsin, Illinois, and Massachusetts (not to mention New York and Michigan) were not having the same luck. It’s not clear that Trump’s political grudges are driving that disparity, but the Post reported some officials are “wondering whether politics is playing a role in the response.”
Hmmm... which states requested what? Who GOT what?How do we know these just aren't CHERRY PICKED examples? The reality: We don't. The M$M is cherry picks all the time, bigly. It endlessly recycles critical but untrue stories about Trump, and quietly hides anything positive and true.

What we need: A list of all 50 states, whether they are "blue", "red", or "purple", what they each asked for, and what they each received. Now THAT would be reporting. This? THIS is just propaganda.

Please note the section where VOX distances itself from its own article

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It’s not clear that Trump’s political grudges are driving that disparity, but the Post reported some officials are “wondering whether politics is playing a role in the response.”


Ahhh... the infamous "some say".

Famous phrase from Top Gear, where the overvoice ponders the origin and identity of the anonymous helmeted test driver code-named The Stig. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stig Funny, when used in a comical setting, but we should ALL be wary of "some say" in so-called serious reporting.

Also, SECOND is a propagandist.





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Friday, April 3, 2020 12:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Also, SECOND is a propagandist.

I'll show you a propagandist working hand in glove with Trump: Cory Gardner, Republican senator from Colorado. Cory says all of America's Covid-19 problems are completely the government of China's fault, not the GOP's fault. Cory doesn't mention that Taiwan and South Korea, adjacent to China, have it under control while back in the USA the GOP controlled governments have nothing under control. Couldn't possibly be because Trump is living up to being Signym's "loose cannon" and cannot manage his job as President.
www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen-cory-gardner-coronavirus-spread-because-of
-chinese-communist-partys-ineptitude-and-deceptions


Look who is at the top of the list:
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
USA. We are Number ONE! Worst in the World. Thank you, Donald Trump. Thank you so much! You are truly Signym's "Loose Cannon"!

Despite Signym's hatred of Hillary, she would not have acted like goddamn idiot Trump searching for a pathway to Worst Country In the First World: Coronavirus Contest.

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Friday, April 3, 2020 1:48 PM

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A former 9/11 Commission member explains why the US needs a 9/11 Commission for the coronavirus

Alex Ward: You’re clearly trying to lay out, as a professional, the case for a system-wide review by an impartial body. But you’re also just a person like all of us and a citizen of this country. So just as a person, are you mad at the way this has been handled?

John Farmer Jr.: Exasperated, I would say. It’s hard to watch, this sort of slow-motion response to a rapidly escalating crisis. It’s just hard to watch.

There’s almost no excuse for the dilatory nature of this response. If you go back to 2009, there was a PBS show about predicting pandemics, and even earlier shows about pandemic flu. We’ve known about these threats and these vulnerabilities for a long time. It’s not like this was completely unanticipated and unimaginable. It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.

www.vox.com/2020/4/3/21206135/coronavirus-covid-9-11-commission-trump-
review


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Friday, April 3, 2020 2:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.



Not really. Nobody was worried about stray airplanes falling out of the sky by Kamikaze Muslims and hitting them in the head after 9/11. But people are so terrified of getting infected today that they're doing their church activities over Skype.

Apples and Oranges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 3, 2020 2:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.



Not really. Nobody was worried about stray airplanes falling out of the sky by Kamikaze Muslims and hitting them in the head after 9/11. But people are so terrified of getting infected today that they're doing their church activities over Skype.

Apples and Oranges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you really, really misunderstood that story. The World Trade Center collapsing was almost a one of kind event. Almost: a bomber crashed into the Empire State Building during WWII. Then Bush was seeking revenge against terrorists who were already dead. That was the stupidest response imaginable. Unsurprisingly, Bush's Revenge Mission was a huge waste of money that killed a million people who were not involved with 9/11.

In extreme contrast, pandemics have been around long enough to be mentioned in the Bible. The American Colonists destroyed the Indians in North America by using pandemics. There was even a movie, Contagion (2011), about a pandemic. Until Trump fired them, there were officials working inside the White House to handle pandemics. Unsurprisingly, Trump has since been running around like chicken with his head cut off, not knowing what to say or do, but he sure knows how to draw attention to himself. He still has 48% chance of reelection, so with all that attention focused on Trump rather than Covid-19, he must know what he is doing to win in 2020.
https://odds.watch/trump-2020

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Friday, April 3, 2020 3:00 PM

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Trump is playing president on television instead of doing the job.

In times of crisis — from wars to natural disasters to recessions — Americans have looked to the federal government to step up and lead the national effort to confront the challenge.

In the face of the coronavirus pandemic, our federal government, led by Donald Trump, has essentially abdicated its traditional role of spearheading a coordinated response.

State and local governments have always provided the majority of front-line public services in the United States. And a relatively high level of decentralization has been baked into the American constitutional order for centuries, serving most of the time as a good way to cope with the inevitable challenges of governing a country that is both vast and diverse.

But the federal government has unique resources and flexibility, as well as the ability to move things from one part of the country to another to ensure that capabilities are deployed where they are most needed. It can coordinate national-scale markets, mobilize money when things are tight for households and state governments alike, speak with a single voice abroad, communicate rapidly to the population as a whole, and mobilize a far higher level of expertise than any state or local government. Most of all, the places experiencing the greatest level of need at any point may not be the places with the most capabilities. The federal government can get organized, set priorities, and make sure important problems are being addressed in a timely and comprehensive way.

But while Donald Trump enjoys playing president on TV, he’s always been lazy about doing the actual job. So while he’s taking advantage of the crisis to stage daily extra-long episodes of the Trump Show with guest appearances from Mike Pence and public health officials, the executive branch of the federal government is mostly missing in action.

David Schleicher, a Yale Law School professor who studies federalism and comparative issues, notes that “in most countries — as far as I can tell — the crisis has led to centralization of authority, both towards the national government and towards the chief executive,” which is the historical pattern in the United States. But now in America, while state governments have moved to centralize authorities rather than allow an uncoordinated response, the federal government has been absent.

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Friday, April 3, 2020 3:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.



Not really. Nobody was worried about stray airplanes falling out of the sky by Kamikaze Muslims and hitting them in the head after 9/11. But people are so terrified of getting infected today that they're doing their church activities over Skype.

Apples and Oranges.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you really, really misunderstood that story.



No I didn't.

Muslim terrorists obeying their brainwashing and willing to die for their "God" weren't 125 nanometers in diameter. Neither, of course, were the planes they were downing.

Apples and Orange.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, April 3, 2020 7:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No I didn't.

Muslim terrorists obeying their brainwashing and willing to die for their "God" weren't 125 nanometers in diameter. Neither, of course, were the planes they were downing.

Apples and Orange.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Convince me you understand this story:

Donald Trump Did Nothing to Stop the Export of Respirator Masks

The 3M mask story keeps getting weirder, and neither 3M nor the Trump administration seems eager to provide details of exactly what their dispute is about. However, it’s been widely reported that 280 million masks were sold overseas in a single day from a single seller last month even though American health care workers were desperate for them. This number originates from a Forbes story by David DiSalvo, who spent a day in mid-March with a mask broker named Remington Schmidt:

When contacting potential buyers, Remington needs two things to secure a deal with a seller: a letter of intent to purchase and proof of funds. “If you are working with a seller who has masks but you can’t quickly show proof of funds, someone else is going to buy them,” he told me.

And I watched that happen repeatedly throughout the day. Buyers from state procurement departments and hospital systems expressed desperate need for masks, but the deals bogged down when it came to providing proof that they could commit and follow through. In the meantime, another buyer provided proof of funds and the masks were gone, sometimes within the hour.

By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker — and that was in one day. To his knowledge none of the masks had been purchased by buyers in the U.S.

Halting these shipments didn’t require use of the Defense Procurement Act. It required two things: (a) an executive order banning the export of masks and (b) purchasing authority for FEMA to buy as many masks as it wants.

These are things President Trump could have done two weeks ago with a stroke of his pen. No new legislative authority would have been required.

6ix, if you understand the story then you understand Trump is worthless as a President. Trump is arguing with 3M now to hide his negligence from last month.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/donald-trump-did-nothing-to-sto
p-the-export-of-respirator-masks
/

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Friday, April 3, 2020 10:12 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No I didn't.

Muslim terrorists obeying their brainwashing and willing to die for their "God" weren't 125 nanometers in diameter. Neither, of course, were the planes they were downing.

Apples and Orange.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Convince me you understand this story:

Donald Trump Did Nothing to Stop the Export of Respirator Masks

The 3M mask story keeps getting weirder, and neither 3M nor the Trump administration seems eager to provide details of exactly what their dispute is about. However, it’s been widely reported that 280 million masks were sold overseas in a single day from a single seller last month even though American health care workers were desperate for them. This number originates from a Forbes story by David DiSalvo, who spent a day in mid-March with a mask broker named Remington Schmidt:

When contacting potential buyers, Remington needs two things to secure a deal with a seller: a letter of intent to purchase and proof of funds. “If you are working with a seller who has masks but you can’t quickly show proof of funds, someone else is going to buy them,” he told me.

And I watched that happen repeatedly throughout the day. Buyers from state procurement departments and hospital systems expressed desperate need for masks, but the deals bogged down when it came to providing proof that they could commit and follow through. In the meantime, another buyer provided proof of funds and the masks were gone, sometimes within the hour.

By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker — and that was in one day. To his knowledge none of the masks had been purchased by buyers in the U.S.

Halting these shipments didn’t require use of the Defense Procurement Act. It required two things: (a) an executive order banning the export of masks and (b) purchasing authority for FEMA to buy as many masks as it wants.

These are things President Trump could have done two weeks ago with a stroke of his pen. No new legislative authority would have been required.

6ix, if you understand the story then you understand Trump is worthless as a President. Trump is arguing with 3M now to hide his negligence from last month.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/donald-trump-did-nothing-to-sto
p-the-export-of-respirator-masks
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly





While you're at trying to figure out why we're giving away respirators to foreign countries now, go ahead and figure out why we give billions of dollars to foreign countries too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

While you're at trying to figure out why we're giving away respirators to foreign countries now, go ahead and figure out why we give billions of dollars to foreign countries too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, here is another Trump failure. Today it is important because yesterday Trump was requiring face masks:

April 3, 2020 at 12:27 p.m. CDT

In September 2018, the Trump administration received detailed plans for a new machine designed to churn out millions of protective respirator masks at high speed during a pandemic.

The plans, submitted to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) by medical manufacturer O&M Halyard, were the culmination of a venture unveiled almost three years earlier by the Obama administration.

But HHS did not proceed with making the machine.

The project was one of two N95 mask ventures — totaling $9.8 million — that the federal government embarked on over the past five years to better prepare for pandemics.

The other involves the development of reusable masks to replace the single-use variety currently so scarce that medical professionals are using theirs over and over. Expert panels have advised the government for at least 14 years that reusable masks were vital.

That effort, like the quick mask machine, has not led to a single new mask for the government’s response.

“The Halyard contract was part of an explicit strategy to ensure we could surge mask production in the next crisis,” said Nicole Lurie, who was the HHS assistant secretary for preparedness and response under Barack Obama. “Now we’re dealing with the consequences of not having that capability.”

Halyard said Thursday in a statement that its work on the government contract was completed in September 2018. A spokeswoman declined to give additional details.

Photo of a box of Halyard-brand surgical masks. (Gado Images/Sipa USA/AP)

An HHS spokesperson, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told The Washington Post that although Halyard’s plans were feasible, no funding was available to build the machine. (That is a lie about "no funding". How do we know? This is how:)

HHS’s Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, the department that solicited the Halyard design, had a budget of nearly $1.5 billion for 2020, according to an HHS report.

www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/federal-government-spent-million
s-to-ramp-up-mask-readiness-but-that-isnt-helping-now/2020/04/03/d62dda5c-74fa-11ea-a9bd-9f8b593300d0_story.html


Trump failed again as President. Was it too hard for you to understand the details about face masks, 6ix?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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If you want to make the case for major changes due to COVID-19, I suppose your best bet is to analogize it to the Black Plague, which killed a third of Europe. So be careful with your analogies given that COVID-19 is likely to kill more like 0.1 percent of Europe. After the Black Plague was over, the Renaissance blossomed in Italy and labor-saving devices became more popular. Interest in science flourished and that led directly to the Age of Reason and then to our own enlightened era. As it so happens, I think a similar big change is coming soon thanks to robots and artificial intelligence.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/heres-what-the-pandemic-is-like
ly-to-change
/

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 10:16 AM

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Trump Organization has laid off about 1,500 employees as pandemic hits business

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/trump-organization-has-laid-
off-about-1-500-employees-as-pandemic-hits-business/ar-BB129anb?ocid=msedgntp


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Saturday, April 4, 2020 11:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Trump failed again as President. Was it too hard for you to understand the details about face masks, 6ix?



From your WaPo article:

Quote:

Expert panels have advised the government for at least 14 years that reusable masks were vital.



Apparently it's too hard for you and the WaPo to understand what 14 years means.

That means that it's also another failure of GWB's last two years of office, and all 8 hideous years of Obama's as well.



Your TDS is gross.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 2:24 PM

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Americans stuck as last flight out of Russia stopped on tarmac

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/americans-stuck-as-last-flight-ou
t-of-russia-stopped-on-tarmac/ar-BB129b0i?ocid=msedgntp


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Saturday, April 4, 2020 2:27 PM

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At least 70 people infected with coronavirus linked to a single church, health officials say

A large and influential Russian language church near Sacramento, California, is denying it is at the center of a novel coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-70-people-infected-with-cor
onavirus-linked-to-a-single-church-health-officials-say/ar-BB12973o?ocid=msedgntp


Wonder if this is sig and kiki's church. Well comrades???

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 4:02 PM

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So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 5:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.



Best of luck Canada. Stay strong...

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 6:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Trump failed again as President. Was it too hard for you to understand the details about face masks, 6ix?



From your WaPo article:

Quote:

Expert panels have advised the government for at least 14 years that reusable masks were vital.



Apparently it's too hard for you and the WaPo to understand what 14 years means.

That means that it's also another failure of GWB's last two years of office, and all 8 hideous years of Obama's as well.

Your TDS is gross.

6ix, stop using TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) about stuff you and Trump don't understand. It takes years to design a machine, even if you need it immediately for a war. One example: Here is a project that only took 4.5 years from start to finish:
B-29 -- In December 1939, the Air Corps issued a formal specification for a so-called "superbomber". First flight 21 Sept 1942; First combat mission 5 June 1944. Unit cost US$639,188 (Prototype cost five times more: $3,392,396.60.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress

Trump stopped the N95 Quick Face Mask machine project before the prototype was built. I guess he saw the price ($3,392,396.60) as too high, not realizing that after a few were built, it would get cheaper ($639,188). Trump wasted years when the prototype should have been built and debugged and then finalized.

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 6:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

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At least 70 people infected with coronavirus linked to a single church, health officials say

A large and influential Russian language church near Sacramento, California, is denying it is at the center of a novel coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-70-people-infected-with-cor
onavirus-linked-to-a-single-church-health-officials-say/ar-BB12973o?ocid=msedgntp


Wonder if this is sig and kiki's church. Well comrades???

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 6:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

No I didn't.

Muslim terrorists obeying their brainwashing and willing to die for their "God" weren't 125 nanometers in diameter. Neither, of course, were the planes they were downing.

Apples and Orange.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Convince me you understand this story:

Donald Trump Did Nothing to Stop the Export of Respirator Masks

The 3M mask story keeps getting weirder, and neither 3M nor the Trump administration seems eager to provide details of exactly what their dispute is about. However, it’s been widely reported that 280 million masks were sold overseas in a single day from a single seller last month even though American health care workers were desperate for them. This number originates from a Forbes story by David DiSalvo, who spent a day in mid-March with a mask broker named Remington Schmidt:

When contacting potential buyers, Remington needs two things to secure a deal with a seller: a letter of intent to purchase and proof of funds. “If you are working with a seller who has masks but you can’t quickly show proof of funds, someone else is going to buy them,” he told me.

And I watched that happen repeatedly throughout the day. Buyers from state procurement departments and hospital systems expressed desperate need for masks, but the deals bogged down when it came to providing proof that they could commit and follow through. In the meantime, another buyer provided proof of funds and the masks were gone, sometimes within the hour.

By the end of the day, roughly 280 million masks from warehouses around the U.S. had been purchased by foreign buyers and were earmarked to leave the country, according to the broker — and that was in one day. To his knowledge none of the masks had been purchased by buyers in the U.S.

Halting these shipments didn’t require use of the Defense Procurement Act. It required two things: (a) an executive order banning the export of masks and (b) purchasing authority for FEMA to buy as many masks as it wants.

These are things President Trump could have done two weeks ago with a stroke of his pen. No new legislative authority would have been required.

6ix, if you understand the story then you understand Trump is worthless as a President. Trump is arguing with 3M now to hide his negligence from last month.

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/04/donald-trump-did-nothing-to-sto
p-the-export-of-respirator-masks
/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

While you're at trying to figure out why we're

Well, ahem!, it wasn't the US per se, it was individual private businesses and private brokers.

So, what means this 'we', kemosabe?
Quote:

giving away respirators to foreign countries now,
And they weren't 'giving away respirators to foreign countries', they were selling them on the open international market to the highest bidder with the quickest cash outlay. Yanno, like business is supposed to. The US has a CAN DO - ANYTHING FOR A BUCK - attitude!
Quote:

go ahead and figure out why we give billions of dollars to foreign countries too.
As to billions to foreign countries, the largest single recipient is Israel. So they can buy our jets and so forth. And yeah, it sucks.

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Saturday, April 4, 2020 7:58 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


SIX: This is for you

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/five-things-you-absolutely-cannot-say
-about-covid-19


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Saturday, April 4, 2020 8:00 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
At least 70 people infected with coronavirus linked to a single church, health officials say

A large and influential Russian language church near Sacramento, California, is denying it is at the center of a novel coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-70-people-infected-with-cor
onavirus-linked-to-a-single-church-health-officials-say/ar-BB12973o?ocid=msedgntp


Wonder if this is sig and kiki's church. Well comrades???

T


T


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Lt. General Russel Honore, Commander of Joint Task Force Katrina, on Jared Kushner saying that distributing lifesaving materials from the federal stockpile is not the government's job: “He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s totally clueless.”




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Saturday, April 4, 2020 8:18 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
At least 70 people infected with coronavirus linked to a single church, health officials say

A large and influential Russian language church near Sacramento, California, is denying it is at the center of a novel coronavirus outbreak.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-70-people-infected-with-cor
onavirus-linked-to-a-single-church-health-officials-say/ar-BB12973o?ocid=msedgntp


Wonder if this is sig and kiki's church. Well comrades???

T


T


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Lt. General Russel Honore, Commander of Joint Task Force Katrina, on Jared Kushner saying that distributing lifesaving materials from the federal stockpile is not the government's job: “He doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s totally clueless.”





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Saturday, April 4, 2020 11:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.



Best of luck Canada. Stay strong...

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Ontario's Premier and medical officers are warning citizens there to brace themselves for the worst.

BC's Premier and medical officers are telling citizens to hold the line. We saw less cases being confirmed today for the first time. Our chief medical officer keeps everything within a 2 week window.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 6:26 AM

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In comments last month, Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick of Texas seemed to suggest older Americans should compromise their health for the sake of the nation's economy.

Unseen Covid-19 threats can cause people to be more callous to fellow human beings, says Ulrich Lehner, a Catholic theologian at the University of Notre Dame.

Lehner says he sees the onset of what he called "pandemic Darwinism," the notion that in times of an epidemic the fittest should survive, and that we should accept the suffering of some people to keep the economy going.

That kind of thinking reminds him of a dark period in his native Germany, says Lehner, author of "God is Not Nice: Rejecting Pop Culture Theology and Discovering the God Worth Living For." www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0725J122F/

"As a German who lost family members in the camps, I feel sickened by the attitude of assigning dollar signs to lives," he says. "When we begin to accept that some people are more valuable than others and that some have to be sacrificed or are expendable, we are not much better than the Nazis."

www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/twilight-zone-coronavirus-maple-street-blake
/index.html


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This gi iz great!
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China: The country the United States is relying on to supply equipment to save American lives.

In a perverse -- and avoidable -- twist of fate, the country that was arguably responsible for the virus' spread because of its attempts to cover up the initial outbreak is now the one best positioned to profit from its fatal impact.

The US intelligence community has warned that China is intent on expanding its global economic reach. Now, as the epicenter of the pandemic has shifted to the United States with more than 300,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 as of April 4, Trump's lack of preparation has given China an opening to expand that reach quickly.

The Trump administration should have had a strategy in place to adequately stockpile and distribute key supplies before the pandemic hit the homeland. It did not.

To make matters worse, President Donald Trump hesitated for weeks to use the Defense Production Act, which he finally invoked to help direct materials and other resources to domestic manufacturers to produce ventilators and N95 masks. On Friday, he moved to curtail the export of lifesaving personal protective equipment -- after more than 8,454 Americans already died.

Despite Trump's latest moves, the United States is still not producing enough equipment to meet the needs of health care workers and the sick.

The administration's failure to prepare for the pandemic has left people with no other choice than to find supplies where they can. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who said Saturday that the Chinese government helped facilitate the donation of 1,000 ventilators to the state, already ordered 17,000 ventilators from China. Meanwhile, private citizens such as Patriots owner Robert Kraft have desperately sourced masks from China.

China's top medical device maker said that the demand for ventilators, for example, is now 10 times higher than what's available at hospitals globally. While data from Chinese sources is far from reliable, a Chinese government official indicated that China has 21 invasive ventilator makers and that Chinese manufacturers have orders for 20,000 ventilators from abroad. At this rate, orders for Chinese products will continue to surge.

China is cashing in on a crisis.

China, claiming to be "post-virus," is manufacturing supplies at a rate America can't. After months of lockdowns, China can start to bounce back by filling the economic void while America scrambles just to contain the virus. They have a strategy -- and America doesn't.

They also have more foreign policy leverage now than any time in recent history.

The terrible reality is that the Trump administration has put American lives in Chinese hands.

More at www.cnn.com/2020/04/04/opinions/presidential-weekly-briefing-trump-ame
rican-lives-china-vinograd/index.html


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Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
This gi iz great!
"its like wen your pimp holdz your hed in the toilet"



Well at least we know that never happened in Pritzger's house.

He doesn't have any toilets.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 7:27 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX: This is for you

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/five-things-you-absolutely-cannot-say
-about-covid-19


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME




I don't know how it's "for me". I happen to agree with it. All of it.

I would argue that it's actually for you. For Kiki. For anybody else buying into all of this manufactured madness.



And since it's a news source that both you and Kiki post all the time, I think you should both give it a serious read yourselves.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.



Best of luck Canada. Stay strong...

T




Ontario's Premier and medical officers are warning citizens there to brace themselves for the worst.

BC's Premier and medical officers are telling citizens to hold the line. We saw less cases being confirmed today for the first time. Our chief medical officer keeps everything within a 2 week window.



You have a different health care infrastructure. Let's hope it pays off.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:06 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIGNYM:
SIX -This is for you

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/five-things-you-absolutely-cannot-say
-about-covid-19



SIX: I don't know how it's "for me". I happen to agree with it. All of it.
I would argue that it's actually for you. For Kiki. For anybody else buying into all of this manufactured madness.
And since it's a news source that both you and Kiki post all the time, I think you should both give it a serious read yourselves.

Jeez. I read it. I understood it. Why do you think I posted it? I posted it because it was a more coherent version of what you've been trying to post. I posted it to show you that I DO understand your points. I just don't agree with you.

Just because you "agree" with it doesn't make it right. Just because I disagree with it doesn't make it wrong. But you avoid discussing the topic in any real way. Every time you bring data to the board or make a point, IT'S WRONG. And I don't mean "a little" wrong", I mean A LOT wrong.

Like comparing to-date Covid-19 deaths to annualized death rates for other diseases.

Like comparing WORLDWIDE deaths to those just in America.

Like posting against points that nobody made, or posting shit that contradicts itself from one sentence to the next.

We can do point-by-point, but I'm sure not going to even try if you just go off and let your emotions run your brain. SIX, you're turning into SECOND. I know you're more intellignt than that. Try harder, willya?



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Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

SIGNYM:
SIX -This is for you

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/five-things-you-absolutely-cannot-say
-about-covid-19



SIX: I don't know how it's "for me". I happen to agree with it. All of it.
I would argue that it's actually for you. For Kiki. For anybody else buying into all of this manufactured madness.
And since it's a news source that both you and Kiki post all the time, I think you should both give it a serious read yourselves.

Jeez. I read it. I understood it. Why do you think I posted it? I posted it because it was a more coherent version of what you've been trying to post. I posted it to show you that I DO understand your points. I just don't agree with you.

Just because you "agree" with it doesn't make it right. Just because I disagree with it doesn't make it wrong. But you avoid discussing the topic in any real way. Every time you bring data to the board or make a point, IT'S WRONG. And I don't mean "a little" wrong", I mean A LOT wrong.

Like comparing to-date Covid-19 deaths to annualized death rates for other diseases.

Like comparing WORLDWIDE deaths to those just in America.

Like posting against points that nobody made, or posting shit that contradicts itself from one sentence to the next.

We can do point-by-point, but I'm sure not going to even try if you just go off and let your emotions run your brain. SIX, you're turning into SECOND. I know you're more intellignt than that. Try harder, willya?



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Okay. Well... I said I agree with it. ALL of it.

There's a starting point.

What in that article don't you agree with?

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:07 PM

THG


Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count

Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test, agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said. “We know that it is an underestimation.”

A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-death-toll-americans-are
-almost-certainly-dying-of-covid-19-but-being-left-out-of-the-official-count/ar-BB12bSIa?ocid=msedgntp


T

Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:18 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.



Not really. Nobody was worried about stray airplanes falling out of the sky by Kamikaze Muslims and hitting them in the head after 9/11. But people are so terrified of getting infected today that they're doing their church activities over Skype.

Apples and Oranges.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 2:02 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
It’s less understandable than the chaos of 9/11, in my opinion.



Not really. Nobody was worried about stray airplanes falling out of the sky by Kamikaze Muslims and hitting them in the head after 9/11. But people are so terrified of getting infected today that they're doing their church activities over Skype.

Apples and Oranges.

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How so?

I'm only asking because I'm curious how the demented mind of an elderly wack job Liberal works.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 2:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by Brenda:
So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.



Best of luck Canada. Stay strong...

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Ontario's Premier and medical officers are warning citizens there to brace themselves for the worst.

BC's Premier and medical officers are telling citizens to hold the line. We saw less cases being confirmed today for the first time. Our chief medical officer keeps everything within a 2 week window.



You have a different health care infrastructure. Let's hope it pays off.

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True enough THG. Even with worst projections for Ontario the government there is talking about 3,000 dead. Best is 1,500 deaths. Fingers crossed for Ontario. These numbers I gave for Ontario could be wrong. Saw some others that say 15,000 deaths highest and lowest 3,000.

At least all Premiers are on the same page as to getting supplies and have the full backing of the Federal government in getting them.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 5:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
So far the only place in Canada to not report a case of Covid-19 is Nunavut. Yukon and the NorthWest Territories have the least number of cases.

Quebec is hardest hit followed by Ontario then BC which is followed by Alberta.



Best of luck Canada. Stay strong...

T




Ontario's Premier and medical officers are warning citizens there to brace themselves for the worst.

BC's Premier and medical officers are telling citizens to hold the line. We saw less cases being confirmed today for the first time. Our chief medical officer keeps everything within a 2 week window.



You have a different health care infrastructure. Let's hope it pays off.

T




True enough THG. Even with worst projections for Ontario the government there is talking about 3,000 dead. Best is 1,500 deaths. Fingers crossed for Ontario. These numbers I gave for Ontario could be wrong. Saw some others that say 15,000 deaths highest and lowest 3,000.

At least all Premiers are on the same page as to getting supplies and have the full backing of the Federal government in getting them.



The full support of your government. Isn't that comforting. Wish we had that here instead of the dog and pony show we do have.

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Sunday, April 5, 2020 5:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


How many aircraft carriers does Canada have again?

Easy to sit in judgement of the US when you can sit back and not worry about foreign powers messing with you because big brother is just a few clicks south of you.

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