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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
Sunday, March 22, 2020 8:29 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:47 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How can the testing situation become so incredibly FUBARED? Is it overwhelming demand? Inability to prioritize testing? Kits that don't work? Desire NOT to see the results? Concern that the testing situation is mixing the worried well with the truly sick? Isn't it a little late to wait until someone is hospitalized until they're tested? If they have Covid-19, shouldn't they be put into a negative pressure isolation unit immediately?? WTF do you think is going on? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: How can the testing situation become so incredibly FUBARED? Is it overwhelming demand? Inability to prioritize testing? Kits that don't work? Desire NOT to see the results? Concern that the testing situation is mixing the worried well with the truly sick? Isn't it a little late to wait until someone is hospitalized until they're tested? If they have Covid-19, shouldn't they be put into a negative pressure isolation unit immediately?? WTF do you think is going on? ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:59 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SIX: Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue. SIGNYM: And that means that you're ideologically-possessed. I'm not one to say that government is ALWAYS the solution. OTOH I wouldn't say that government is NEVER the solution either. That's the difference between you and me: You don't allow reality to intrude on your ideology, which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. That, and you're pretty self-centered. #STAYTHEFUCKHOME SIX: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Oh jeez, now you sound just like WISHY. SHE'S willing to sacrifie millions ... billions ... on her altar of "liberty" and so, apparently, are you. No wonder you argue so much: you're very much the same.
Quote:SIX: Unlike people who have immediately gone from viewing the government by its own nature as an enemy of the people to their savior when they get panicked, just like our Forefathers warned us against, I will never, EVER waver on that issue. SIGNYM: And that means that you're ideologically-possessed. I'm not one to say that government is ALWAYS the solution. OTOH I wouldn't say that government is NEVER the solution either. That's the difference between you and me: You don't allow reality to intrude on your ideology, which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. That, and you're pretty self-centered. #STAYTHEFUCKHOME SIX: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:11 PM
Sunday, March 22, 2020 3:41 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Quote:I think it's hilarious that we've got probably thousands or maybe even tens of thousands of facilities that are on the ready to give a urinalysis and almost immediate results to future employers about us working class sheep to make sure that we're not smoking weed, but nobody can seem to get testing for something that's actually a problem done.
Quote: Maybe in light of the fact that weed is being legalized for recreational use in more and more places across the country, we should start considering re-purposing those facilities. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:02 PM
Quote:when it's much more likely to be only. .1%.
Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:44 PM
Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:48 PM
Quote:As of March 21, 2020 at 17:10 GMT 22132 / 282 19,931 / 275
Quote: As of March 20, 2020 at 18:05 GMT 16545 / 225 14,631 / 210
Quote:As of March 19, 2020 at 16:59 GMT 11234 / 161 10,755/ 154
Quote:As of March 18, 2020 at 17:36 GMT 7678 / 117 7,324 / 115
Quote: As of March 17, 2020 at 18:11 GMT 5723 / 97 5,702 / 94
Quote:As of March 16, 2020 at 19:34 GMT 4252 / 75 4,138 / 71
Quote: As of March 15, 2020 at 13:45 GMT 3083 / 60 2,952 / 57
Quote:As of March 14, 2020 at 20:20 GMT 2499 / 55 2,572 / 51
Quote:As of March 13, 2020 at 15:55 GMT 1832 / 41 1,268 / 33
Quote:As of March 12, 2020 at 18:15 GMT 1412 / 40 1,323 / 38
Quote:As of March 11, 2020 at 12:10 GMT 1015 / 31 1,039 / 29
Quote:As of March 10, 2020 at 18:30 GMT 787 / 28 804 / 28
Quote:As of March 09, 2020 566 565
Quote:As of March 08, 2020 464 466
Quote:As of March 07, 2020 373 376
Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:57 PM
Quote: Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:08 PM cases 292 deaths 2
Quote: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:13 PM cases 231 deaths 2
Quote: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 2:27 PM cases 144 deaths 1
Quote: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 2:37 PM cases 94 deaths 1
Quote: Monday, March 16, 2020 3:41 PM cases 69 deaths 1
Quote:Sunday, March 15, 2020 9:52 AM cases 53 deaths 1 11 new COVID-19 cases confirmed in Los Angeles County; total now at 53 According to the public health department eight of those #COVID19 cases are likely due to community transmission. Two people with #CoronaVirus cases are hospitalized. https://t.co/S4PvlMx7At
Quote:Saturday, March 14, 2020 4:27 PM cases 40 deaths 1
Quote: Friday, March 13, 2020 2:57 PM cases 32 deaths 1
Quote:Thursday, March 12, 2020 2:36 PM cases 28 deaths 1
Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:09 PM
Sunday, March 22, 2020 5:34 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Monday, March 23, 2020 8:40 AM
Quote:Medical Worker on Covid-19: Struck me How Different it is [FROM THE FLU] when I saw Young Guy gasping out Pink Froth
Monday, March 23, 2020 9:55 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Medical Worker on Covid-19: Struck me How Different it is [FROM THE FLU] when I saw Young Guy gasping out Pink Froth https://www.juancole.com/2020/03/medical-different-gasping.html
Monday, March 23, 2020 2:52 PM
Quote:15,000+ deaths and that's the first time I heard they're frothing up what chicken mcnuggets look like before they're cooked. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators. His hospital had not prepared for this volume before the virus first appeared. One physician had tried to raise alarms, asking about negative pressure rooms and ventilators. Most staff concluded that he was overreacting. “They thought the media was overhyping it,” the respiratory therapist told me. “In retrospect, he was right to be concerned.” “Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.” “I have patients in their early 40s and, yeah, I was kind of shocked. I’m seeing people who look relatively healthy with a minimal health history, and they are completely wiped out, like they’ve been hit by a truck. This is knocking out what should be perfectly fit, healthy people. Patients will be on minimal support, on a little bit of oxygen, and then all of a sudden, they go into complete respiratory arrest, shut down and can’t breathe at all.” “We have an observation unit in the hospital, and we have been admitting patients that had tested positive or are presumptive positive — these are patients that had been in contact with people who were positive. We go and check vitals on patients every four hours, and some are on a continuous cardiac monitor, so we see that their heart rate has a sudden increase or decrease, or someone goes in and sees that the patient is struggling to breathe or is unresponsive. That seems to be what happens to a lot of these patients: They suddenly become unresponsive or go into respiratory failure.” “It’s called acute respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS. That means the lungs are filled with fluid. And it’s notable for the way the X-ray looks: The entire lung is basically whited out from fluid. Patients with ARDS are extremely difficult to oxygenate. It has a really high mortality rate, about 40%. The way to manage it is to put a patient on a ventilator. The additional pressure helps the oxygen go into the bloodstream. “Normally, ARDS is something that happens over time as the lungs get more and more inflamed. But with this virus, it seems like it happens overnight.
Monday, March 23, 2020 3:05 PM
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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:20 PM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:23 PM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:27 PM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 1:31 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:20 PM
Quote: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-death-peak-three-weeks-epidemiologist/index.html Coronavirus deaths in the US could reach peak in three weeks, epidemiologist says
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:28 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:29 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Your figures ... just to be clear, the # of infections in the USA almost pentupled in the space of ten days. And THAT is limited by test criteria of the CDC (which the fuckers STILL haven't changed) and by the number of test kits available in states which have chosen to relax the test criteria, plus the creaky reporting system. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:31 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:32 PM
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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:45 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:48 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:49 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:22 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, OK! The # of infections in the USA has almost sextupled in the space of about 6 days! It's getting pretty hard to keep up with those numbers!! And STILL limited by the #of test kits and CDC test criteria!
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:28 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:27 PM
Quote: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-covid-hospitals/index.html 'That's when all hell broke loose': Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals "The reality is that what we're seeing right now in our emergency rooms is dire," said Dr. Craig Spencer, director of global health in emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center in New York City. "Last week when I went to work, we talked about the one or two patients amongst the dozens of others that might have been a Covid or coronavirus patient," Spencer told CNN's Anderson Cooper Tuesday. "In my shift yesterday, nearly every single patient that I took care of was coronavirus, and many of them extremely severe. Many were put on breathing tubes. Many decompensated (medicalese for cratered) quite quickly." At first, patients skewed toward the 70-plus age group, but in the past week or so there have been a number of patients younger than 50. "I don't think they understand the severity of this disease," the doctor said of the younger patients. It's not just New York that's feeling the pressure. Hospitals across the country are seeing a surge of patients, a shortage of personal protective equipment such as masks and gowns, and health care workers who feel that they, their families and their patients are being put at risk. One ER nurse in Virginia described her hospital as "exceptionally chaotic," with an emergency department where potential Covid-19 patients were sitting next to patients with other health conditions. "You have an elderly couple that is having chest pain sitting right next to someone who has a cough and flu," she said. "I think that's extremely reckless." She said she hadn't hugged her daughter since the outbreak started, for fear she may pass anything on to her. Another nurse in Georgia said she was repeatedly denied testing, even as her own symptoms worsened over the course of a week. The nurse, who had cared for several patients who died of pneumonia but were never tested for Covid-19, was finally tested Tuesday -- the same day she was admitted to the hospital and put in isolation. "It was not until this morning that I could finally be tested," she said as she gasped for breath between heavy coughs. "It is insane. And it's infuriating. You feel you have to scream to even be heard."
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 8:43 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Stop dry-labbing, Jack. It only makes you look like you're in panic-driven denial and unable to deal with facts.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:07 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The only people who are easily terrified are those who have never faced any adversity in their lives.
Quote:You should be grateful for your extremely privileged life that you've grown accustomed to and try not focusing on what you might lose so you won't feel so bad about it. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:58 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: The only people who are easily terrified are those who have never faced any adversity in their lives. You mean because I didn't turn myself not an alcoholic mess at the first setback?
Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:46 AM
Quote:My life was a tragedy since I was a kid who never had a childhood. I was a latchkey kid babysitting my brothers and protecting them from messed up selfish parents and their emotional abuse and neglect, from an age that would have had my parents thrown in jail and had us placed in a foster care if that were going on today.
Quote:You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:50 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:22 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: I piss on your little virus and this manufactured panic that the rest of you are currently enthralled by. You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your husband.
Quote:Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 8:46 AM
Quote:SIX: I piss on your little virus and this manufactured panic that the rest of you are currently enthralled by. You're living in my world now. I don't think there's a time in my life where I ever felt more comfortable with my surroundings than right here and right now. SECOND: A lot of self-important drama in your life, 6ix. It must go with being a Trump lover
Thursday, March 26, 2020 9:00 AM
Quote:According to John Hopkins data, Wednesday was the deadliest day yet for the US with 233 fatalities reported, taking the US to 65,273 cases and 938 deaths. In New York and California, the number of confirmed cases is doubling every few days... The death toll in coronavirus-ravaged Spain continued to climb on Thursday, with more than 600 additional fatalities reported so far. In total, more than 4,000 people have been killed by the novel coronavirus in Spain so far. Only Italy has recorded more deaths during the outbreak, and only Spain and Italy have recorded more deaths than mainland China ...
Quote: More importantly, the government will provide 800 million people, roughly two-thirds of the country’s population, with 5 kilograms of rice or wheat each month for the next three months for free.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Fuck your husband. You're still pouting. Whatever happened to Quote:Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:50 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:57 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: From sledgehammer to scalpel It’s worth remembering why we’re in this situation.
Quote:Who Says It’s Not Safe to Travel to China? Sadly, one doesn’t have to look far for evidence of these top-down decisions morphing into outright racism within the general population, a trend that has a long history in the narrative of outbreaks such as this one. Coronavirus shares something in common with other kinds of civil disruption, natural disasters or emergencies that affect localized travel industries: Its destructive power lies not in the actual risk but in the perception of that risk. Numerous experts have said that the majority of people who contract coronavirus will experience it as a respiratory infection they will fully recover from. But the extreme reactions — the canceling of flights, closing of borders and level-four travel warnings — seem more appropriate for something much worse. With the rhetoric surrounding coronavirus, however, it appears the astonishing growth of the Chinese travel market in the past 15 years did little to rid the industry of the impulse to treat Chinese travelers as “others” in the face of doubt and uncertainty. Canceling flights, cruises and locking down borders when it’s not advised by international agencies will be not only an act of economic self-harm but also a wasted opportunity to learn from the mistakes of the past.
Quote: The coronavirus exposes the history of racism and “cleanliness” While the epidemic may be new, xenophobia has been intertwined with public health discourse for a very long time.
Quote:While panic about a sudden, deadly virus is to be expected, some fears — especially in North America and the West — have been based on something other than health. The panic has exposed a deep-seated xenophobia, and with it, a symptom of its own has surfaced: hostility toward East Asian people.
Quote:As the coronavirus spreads, fear is fueling racism and xenophobia
Quote:Toronto Mayor John Tory also spoke out this week about the coronavirus panic. "Standing with our Chinese community against stigmatization and discrimination," he said. "We must not allow fear to triumph over our values as a city."
Quote:‘No Chinese allowed’: Racism and fear are now spreading along with the coronavirus
Quote:An online petition signed by parents in one school district in Ontario, Canada, asked the school board to request parents whose children or whose families have recently returned from China “to stay at home and keep isolated for a minimum of 17 days for the purpose of self-quarantine.”
Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:08 PM
Quote:SIX: Fuck your husband. SIGNY:You're still pouting. Whatever happened to Quote:Do Right, Be Right. :)?? SIX:Your going to be a sniveling little bitch like Kiki because you're panicking, then you get it to. You don't get a free pass. The only other person besides you to ever tell me what their husband thinks about me is Wishy. Let that sink in, hun. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:40 PM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: These articles are gross, and they only fester and reek even more with time. And it's a wonderful thing that we live in the age of the internet where they're preserved forever and we can REALLY do some research to figure out exactly what went wrong. Hindsight is truly 20/20 in 2020. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, March 26, 2020 3:01 PM
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