Quote:

---

UN Leader Says the World Could Face 'Famines of Biblical Proportions' amid Coronavirus Crisis

“While dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley, the director of the UN World Food Program warned

As the world continues to battle the coronavirus pandemic, the United Nations is warning that without action, the world is at risk of numerous famines “of biblical proportions” in the near future.

He explained that famines could be seen “in about three dozen countries,” ten of which already have more than 1 million people on the verge of starvation.

“There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself,” he warned.

---

Quote:

---

https://www.mdlinx.com/internal-medicine/article/6590

The virus attaches to angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is found in the cells of the lungs. This allows the virus to invade and cause respiratory illness.

But, ACE2 is also found in heart muscles and the cells that line blood vessels. In addition, ACE2 is part of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system, which regulates cardiovascular function, kidney function, and blood pressure.

Given the association with ACE2, researchers are suggesting that COVID-19 can damage the heart directly. In a study conducted in Wuhan Province, China, nearly 20% of hospitalized patients with COVID-19 showed signs of heart damage. Half of the patients with heart damage died, compared with 4.5% of COVID-19 patients without heart damage.

ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II receptor blockers are commonly prescribed for patients with underlying cardiovascular symptoms. However, some animal models show that the use of these drugs may increase the risk of severe disease in patients with COVID-19.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Strangely enough, I never issued any stay-at-home orders.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SignyM:
Huh, neither did I.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously. Fuck you, Karen.

Glad you're not going to get a cold.

I'm glad that your cunty disposition toward me is such that you can now completely tune out any and all outside death tolls caused by the world shutting down so your weak old ass doesn't get the sniffles.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Seriously. Fuck you, Karen.

Glad you're not going to get a cold.

I'm glad that your cunty disposition toward me is such that you can now completely tune out any and all outside death tolls caused by the world shutting down so your weak old ass doesn't get the sniffles.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Jeezus, SIX, you have seriously gone off the rails. Do you honestly think that Modi, or Joko Widodo, or Muhyiddin Yassin, or Arif Alvi, or Ould Gazouani or any of the other leaders of nations potentially facing starvation ordered a lockown because of *karens* in the USA???

Hey, let us know when you've come back to earth, m'kay?

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, SIX, you have seriously gone off the rails. Do you honestly think that Modi, or Joko Widodo, or Muhyiddin Yassin, or Arif Alvi, or Ould Gazouani or any of the other leaders of nations potentially facing starvation ordered a lockown because of *karens* in the USA???

Hey, let us know when you've come back to earth, m'kay?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, SIX, you have seriously gone off the rails. Do you honestly think that Modi, or Joko Widodo, or Muhyiddin Yassin, or Arif Alvi, or Ould Gazouani or any of the other leaders of nations potentially facing starvation ordered a lockown because of *karens* in the USA???

Hey, let us know when you've come back to earth, m'kay?

---

Those foreign politicians are not facing Trump's reelection problem. 6ix is being very practical about that problem without admitting that it is all about the November election.

Trump wants social distancing to end, but he keeps his distance from actually ordering people back to work because he would then be blamed for their deaths.

If the economy is not doing well in the month before the November election because of social distancing, Trump knows that his chances of winning are slightly reduced. That likelihood has been around 50% this year and that is why 6ix and Trump want social distancing to end.

Powerless 6ix is very explicit about what he wants because he can’t be blamed for the deaths, while Trump dares not say that he doesn't care how many die so long as he wins. But 6ix and Trump want the same thing: a Trump victory. Coronavirus is getting in the way of victory.
https://odds.watch/trump-2020

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What I'm concerned about is what life is going to be like for the survivors of The Coomph. The many, many, many, many, many, many survivors.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What I'm concerned about is what life is going to be like for the survivors of The Coomph. The many, many, many, many, many, many survivors.

---

What a load of bullshit. There is nothing you have ever written that shows you are "concerned". You could be a politician lying about caring for "survivors".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What I'm concerned about is what life is going to be like for the survivors of The Coomph. The many, many, many, many, many, many survivors.

---

What a load of bullshit. There is nothing you have ever written that shows you are "concerned". You could be a politician lying about caring for "survivors".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

It's not a load of bullshit. How so?

Even when I talk about our overpopulation problem that most people are afraid to even bring up because of dumbass comments like yours from dumbass people like you, I always talk about them with the survivors in mind.

At the end of the day this little cold isn't going to do anything at all to solve a much larger problem we all face down the road. There are far too many people on this planet. That is just a fact.



And with 360,000 more babies being born every single day, we're not even coming close to putting a dent in the growth of new lives by adding any temporary death increases brought about by The Coomph.

Not even close.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Quote:

---

They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

---

Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by second:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

What I'm concerned about is what life is going to be like for the survivors of The Coomph. The many, many, many, many, many, many survivors.

---

What a load of bullshit. There is nothing you have ever written that shows you are "concerned". You could be a politician lying about caring for "survivors".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

It's not a load of bullshit. How so?

Even when I talk about our overpopulation problem that most people are afraid to even bring up because of dumbass comments like yours from dumbass people like you, I always talk about them with the survivors in mind.

At the end of the day this little cold isn't going to do anything at all to solve a much larger problem we all face down the road. There are far too many people on this planet. That is just a fact.



And with 360,000 more babies being born every single day, we're not even coming close to putting a dent in the growth of new lives by adding any temporary death increases brought about by The Coomph.

Not even close.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

You went to the place I was thinking you would be going. It is no surprise that you found the movie Joker admirable. Joker plays a number game, too, and will kill an unlimited number of people to get for himself what he wants.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=63327&mid=1095451#
1095451

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

---

Quote:

---

Coronavirus Deaths Likely 60% Higher Than Official Numbers Reflect, FT Finds

As experts try to model the true number of coronavirus deaths, and some random 'surveillance' studies have suggested that - at least in some badly hit areas - the number of confirmed coronavirus cases might be many multiples of the official count, the FT has published its latest attempt at trying to 'model' the true coronavirus death toll.

The FT used a fairly straightforward methodology: the paper took data on national death tolls over a certain stretch of time going back five years, calculated the mean for each country, then compared that figure to the number of deaths reported during the same time period in 2020.

To calculate excess deaths, the FT has compared deaths from all causes in the weeks of a location’s outbreak in March and April 2020 to the average for the same period between 2015 and 2019. The total of 122,000 amounts to a 50 per cent rise in overall mortality relative to the historical average for the locations studied.

The difference between the average from the past five years and the 2020 number is, roughly, the number of deaths caused by the coronavirus (by far the biggest differentiating factor). Across countries in the developed world, the FT found 122,000 deaths 'in excess' of normal levels. That's compared with ~77k reported coronavirus deaths. If the FT's methodolgy checks out, that would mean coronavirus deaths have been 60% higher than official statics reflect - at least in the developed world.

The death toll from coronavirus may be almost 60 per cent higher than reported in official counts, according to an FT analysis of overall fatalities during the pandemic in 14 countries. Mortality statistics show 122,000 deaths in excess of normal levels across these locations, considerably higher than the 77,000 official Covid-19 deaths reported for the same places and time periods. If the same level of underreporting observed in these countries was happening worldwide, the global Covid-19 death toll would rise from the current official total of 201,000 to as high as 318,000.

The only country that showed almost now deviation between 'excess deaths' and the number of confirmed coronavirus cases was Denmark.





The gulf between the 'official' coronavirus death toll and the 'excess mortality' rate tabulated by the FT. was widest in the emerging world. In some places, the difference was ~100x (that's 100x not 100%). Officials reported roughly 250 deaths due to the virus, but the number of 'excess' deaths was 10,200 in Ecuador's Guayas Province.

In Ecuador’s Guayas province, just 245 official COVID-19-related deaths were reported between March 1 and April 15, but data on total deaths show that about 10,200 more people died during this period than in a typical year - an increase of 350 per cent.

If we assume that every single 'excess' case calculated by the FT is representative of a single case of COVID-19 (not exactly a scientific assumption, but fair enough for an estimate...), then we can compare which provinces, states and countries were most badly impacted. According to the FT, the region surrounding the Italian city of Bergamo suffered a much more severe outbreak than New York State.

In the northern Italian region of Lombardy, the heart of Europe’s worst outbreak, there are more than 13,000 excess deaths in the official statistics for the nearly 1,700 municipalities for which data is available. This is an uptick of 155 per cent on the historical average and far higher than the 4,348 reported Covid deaths in the region. The region surrounding the Italian city of Bergamo registered the worst increase internationally with a 464 per cent rise in deaths above normal levels, followed by New York City with a 200 per cent increase, and Madrid, Spain, with a 161 per cent increase.

The FT isn't the only financial news organization to try and determine by how much some countries are underreporting cases and deaths linked to the novel coronavirus.

Bloomberg on Sunday reported that the number of severe respiratory infections reported in Mexico over the past two months, coinciding with the end of flu season, were up more than 50% compared with last year. Experts working for the Mexican government quietly told Bloomberg that the increase is likely 100% attributable to the virus.

Severe acute respiratory infections in Mexico spiked 50% this season compared with a year ago, almost certainly all due to coronavirus, suggesting that government figures on Covid-19 cases are far too low.

In the most recent week, health ministry data show, Mexico registered 12,000 new cases of such respiratory infections, versus 671 in the same period a year ago.

"Of course that jump in cases is Covid-19, because influenza is on its way out this time of year," said Alejandro Macías, the former national commissioner for influenza in Mexico during the H1N1 outbreak. "There’s no doubt."

To be sure, the FT doesn't question the general trends displayed in global data - well, at least not in developed countries like the US and Italy. But it's just the latest reminder that armchair experts claiming that the true mortality rate for the virus is actually a small fraction of a percent are likely also gravely underestimating the total number of deaths that have gone underreported.

This just means that the grainy videos released by brave Wuhanese during the early days of the outbreak remain the most reliable indicators of what the novel coronavirus is capable of if left unchecked.

Though they've been wiped from the Chinese Internet, millions around the world witnessed the videos of dead bodies of the elderly in the streets, hospital hallways packed with the doomed, pandemonium, chaos - and Party officials firing up the crematorium out back.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=1
Ultimately, long after the fact, the number could be estimated by population-wide statistical 'excess deaths', if there are enough to move the overall death rate enough beyond chance probabilities.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

---

Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

---

No it's not. We've talked about this shit ad nauseam in the past and we're in agreement on it. You just forget that we used to agree about stuff.

Quote:

---

Poor nations around the world don't get "free shit" from the USA and the EU. The reason why they're poor is because the USA and the EU have predatory relationships with them.

---

No shit.

But I'm sure the fact that you and I know this is going to look great on the tombstone for the mass graves of millions of people dying of hunger because the free shit train stopped immediately overnight.

There is a difference between being poor and exploited and being dead from starvation. It might not be much of a difference, but the overreaction in the Western World to The Coomph is going to make that pretty clear soon.

Quote:

---

Why do you suppose we have bases all over the goddamn world, SIX? Do you think it's because people everywhere are grateful for all the "free shit" that we give them?

---

Why are you asking me these questions as if we haven't discussed this before and we aren't in agreement on it?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Quote:

---

SIX: They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

SIGNY:Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

SIX: No it's not. We've talked about this shit ad nauseam in the past and we're in agreement on it. You just forget that we used to agree about stuff.

---

Quote:

---

SIGNY: Poor nations around the world don't get "free shit" from the USA and the EU. The reason why they're poor is because the USA and the EU have predatory relationships with them.

SIX: No shit. But I'm sure the fact that you and I know this is going to look great on the tombstone for the mass graves of millions of people dying of hunger because the free shit train stopped immediately overnight.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A couple of comments on those graphs:

Those are legitimate graphs. Do you know how some illustrators start the vertical axis at something other than zero, to exaggerate the difference between "before" and "after"? Well, NOT HERE. The vertical axis starts at zero, and the increased death rate is as big and bad as shown: double, triple, quadruple OR MORE the usual death rate. (And no, SIX, it's not due to starvation or suicide.)
-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

SIX: They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

SIGNY:Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

SIX: No it's not. We've talked about this shit ad nauseam in the past and we're in agreement on it. You just forget that we used to agree about stuff.

---

Germany and the other NATO nations, plus Japan, don't spend as much on the military because they have USA bases presumably "protecting them" from attack. But these are not the nations in danger of mass starvation, which was your concern.

The nations that are in danger of starvation are South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia etc), parts of the Mideast that the USA had destabilized (Syria, Iran, Iraq), all of Africa, and all of Central and South America.

WHAT "free shit" does the USA give them?

Quote:

---

SIGNY: Poor nations around the world don't get "free shit" from the USA and the EU. The reason why they're poor is because the USA and the EU have predatory relationships with them.

SIX: No shit. But I'm sure the fact that you and I know this is going to look great on the tombstone for the mass graves of millions of people dying of hunger because the free shit train stopped immediately overnight.

---

WHAT "free shit"? Show me in dollars where this "free shit" is going. Be specific.

-----------
Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#WEARAMASK

---

Quote:

---

EDIT: Oh, and here's the original article with a link. I feel that I have to post it again since we're on a new page and you both seem to have amnesia now from the stay at home orders.

https://people.com/food/world-face-multiple-famines-biblical-proportio
ns-coronavirus-crisis/

Quote:

UN Leader Says the World Could Face 'Famines of Biblical Proportions' amid Coronavirus Crisis

“While dealing with a COVID-19 pandemic, we are also on the brink of a hunger pandemic,” David Beasley, the director of the UN World Food Program warned

As the world continues to battle the coronavirus pandemic, the United Nations is warning that without action, the world is at risk of numerous famines “of biblical proportions” in the near future.

He explained that famines could be seen “in about three dozen countries,” ten of which already have more than 1 million people on the verge of starvation.

“There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself,” he warned.

---

Quote:

---

JACK:
the obligatory trolling and snark

---

Quote:

---

First post on the page you're looking at right now, Karen.

---

Quote:

---

I only sent it to you specifically no less than 3 times the other day when you kept changing the subject.

---

Quote:

---

Yanno, the article that never said India but you kept claiming did.

---

Quote:

---

Why don't you read it again and tell me more about India.

---

Quote:

---

SIX: They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

SIGNY:Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

SIX: No it's not. We've talked about this shit ad nauseam in the past and we're in agreement on it. You just forget that we used to agree about stuff.

SIGNY: Germany and the other NATO nations, plus Japan, don't spend as much on the military because they have USA bases presumably "protecting them" from attack. But these are not the nations in danger of mass starvation, which was your concern.

The nations that are in danger of starvation are South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia etc), parts of the Mideast that the USA had destabilized (Syria, Iran, Iraq), all of Africa, and all of Central and South America.

WHAT "free shit" does the USA give them?

SIX: No shit. But I'm sure the fact that you and I know this is going to look great on the tombstone for the mass graves of millions of people dying of hunger because the free shit train stopped immediately overnight.

SIX:I already gave you the link.
Tens of millions of people are already starving and third world nations will be facing "starvation of a biblical proportion" due directly to developed nations overreaction to a cold.
Don't use the fact that I didn't provide a link every time we talk about this as a cop out so you can pretend it isn't happening.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:

---

SIX: They're not getting all the free shit that Western cultures give to them on any given usual day because we're not producing the free shit to give them anymore.

SIGNY:Another gross misunderstanding of how the world works.

SIX: No it's not. We've talked about this shit ad nauseam in the past and we're in agreement on it. You just forget that we used to agree about stuff.

SIGNY: Germany and the other NATO nations, plus Japan, don't spend as much on the military because they have USA bases presumably "protecting them" from attack. But these are not the nations in danger of mass starvation, which was your concern.

The nations that are in danger of starvation are South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh), Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia etc), parts of the Mideast that the USA had destabilized (Syria, Iran, Iraq), all of Africa, and all of Central and South America.

WHAT "free shit" does the USA give them?

SIX: No shit. But I'm sure the fact that you and I know this is going to look great on the tombstone for the mass graves of millions of people dying of hunger because the free shit train stopped immediately overnight.

SIX:I already gave you the link.
Tens of millions of people are already starving and third world nations will be facing "starvation of a biblical proportion" due directly to developed nations overreaction to a cold.
Don't use the fact that I didn't provide a link every time we talk about this as a cop out so you can pretend it isn't happening.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

SIX, there is NOTHING IN THE ARTICLE ABOUT THE GRAVY TRAIN COMING TO A SUDDEN HALT BECAUSE OF COVID-19. THERE IS NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT THE USA AT ALL. YOUR READING COMPREHENSION HAS GOTTEN AS BAD AS GSTRING'S.

I put it in caps hoping it would catch your short attention span.

YOU were the one who extended the article waaaaaay beyond truthfulness. Go back, re-read it, and stop making shit up, m'kay?

---

Quote:

---

Speaking at an online briefing broadcast by the UN on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, Beasley highlighted the fact that there are CURRENTLY 821 million food-insecure people in the world. “If we don’t prepare and act now, to secure access, avoid funding shortfalls and disruptions to trade,” he said, the result could be a “humanitarian catastrophe … in a short few months”.

Beasley added: “Millions of civilians living in conflict-scarred nations, including many women and children, face being pushed to the brink of starvation, with the spectre of famine a very real and dangerous possibility.”

---

Quote:

---

The greatest worry is for people living in conflict zones and those forced from their homes and into refugee camps, with countries of concern including northeastern Nigeria, South Sudan, Syria and Yemen.

“These are the people I’m most worried about,” said Husain. “They did not need COVID-19. Even without it their lives were hanging by a thread. They literally depend on us for their lives. If we cannot get to them for any reason they end up paying the ultimate price. We need to prioritize the people and make sure we’re there. Because if it’s not us, it’s no one else.”

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, WHERE DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE "FREE SHIT" GRAVY TRAIN FROM THE WEST COMING TO A HALT BEING THE CAUSE OF STARVATION?

IT DOESN'T

---

Quote:

---

JACK:
Read it again. It does.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Quote:

---

JACK:
Read it again. It does.

---

No it doesn't.

---

Quote:

---

JACK:
Read it again. It does.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
No it doesn't.

---

Quote:

---

JACK:

Yes. It does.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

Quote:

---

JACK:
Read it again. It does.

---

Quote:

---

1KIKI:
No it doesn't.

---

Quote:

---

JACK:
Yes. It does.

---

Quote:

---

1KIKI: lol

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
South Korea, Vietnam, and Taiwan still have the virus well-controlled; Japan like Singapore has experienced a sudden sustained spike, albeit, like Singapore, at low levels relative to most countries.

---