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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China

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Wednesday, January 6, 2021 8:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



I snickered when the US bought another 100M AstraZeneca doses, right after the new variant was announced. Yeah! AZ - dump those vaccines onto the market ASAP and get your money out of them just in case!

I don't know how the SA variant happened, but elsewhere it's been proposed that antibody treatment is the driving force behind the speedy virus evolution - which makes sense. Viruses that can be tagged by antibodies will be destroyed by the immune system. But a virus that resists being attached to by the cocktail of antibodies used against it will go on to reproduce more resistant viruses.

FWIW I've always maintained that vaccines need to be done in stages - first, a vaccination against pure viral (or bacterial) protein snippets that in themselves can never cause an infection. And those are the kinds of vaccines being administered now, no matter how those protein snippets are generated (mRNA, or adenovirus, or other). Second, a vaccine using whole killed viral (or bacterial) particles. And finally, a vaccine using weakened (attenuated) live virus (or bacteria).


And the US should put down travel barriers and begin testing for virus variants, like other modern countries do. But that won't happen, I'm pretty sure. Why the US won't institute travel restrictions is beyond me. But when it comes to testing, the US is literally incapable of scaling-up to the level required because it depends on for-profit and (therefore) under-funded, siloed, small-scale facilities.


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Wednesday, January 6, 2021 8:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Buckle up.

We're all going to get it. It's never going to go away.

The first draft of anything is shit. :)

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 4:35 PM

1KIKI

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Along with vaccine rollouts, the U.S. needs a National Hi-Fi (high filtration - 1kiki) Mask Initiative

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/07/national-hi-fi-mask-initiative-nee
ded-with-vaccine-rollouts
/

I'm putting a political tag on this, because it's a chance for the incoming Biden* administration and democratic* congress to show me what they're made of.

Unlike other masks which primarily protect others, these masks protect the wearer. So there would be no need to make them mandatory. If you want to protect yourself, just go ahead and wear them. If you have some objection, you can always go without.



If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 5:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


Quote:

Along with vaccine rollouts, the U.S. needs a National Hi-Fi (high filtration - 1kiki) Mask Initiative

https://www.statnews.com/2021/01/07/national-hi-fi-mask-initiative-nee
ded-with-vaccine-rollouts
/

I'm putting a political tag on this, because it's a chance for the incoming Biden* administration and democratic* congress to show me what they're made of.

Unlike other masks which primarily protect others, these masks protect the wearer. So there would be no need to make them mandatory. If you want to protect yourself, just go ahead and wear them. If you have some objection, you can always go without.



If democrats* don't do any different, how are they any better?

Been what I've been proposing all along.

The hangup is supply. Apparently the wildfires caused a huge demand for firefighting.

MOST N95s are STILL made in China. And have you tried getting any from Amazon lately?? They will tell you that they're prioritized for healthcare and other "frontline" workers, so unless you want to lie and register yourself as a "company" (which may ultimately get your shopping privileges revoked) there's no joy there.

And there are a lot of counterfeits out there. The CDC has a whole webpage on how to tell counterfeits from good ones, plus another webpage of approved manufacturers that have been tested and have the required filtration efficiency. Fortunately, I did find an online supplier (that I'll keep to myself until I get family, neighbors, and friends stocked up) where the mfr was certified by both CDC and NIOSH. They feel a bit lighter and softer than the Benehal ones I had that I had earlier, but we've been using them and haven't gotten sick so far (knock on wood).

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#WEARAMASK

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:38 PM

1KIKI

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Signy - an alert:

'The virus is out of control': 1 in 5 COVID tests are positive in L.A. County

https://news.yahoo.com/virus-control-1-5-covid-200016023.html

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Thursday, January 7, 2021 9:36 PM

SIGNYM

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I keep waiting for this to die down so I can see my ENT surgeon, because the one thing you can't do masked is have someone poke a scope up your nose.

Another thing is going to the dentist. I keep getting notifications that I'm late for my cleaning. OTOH I have gotten three or four notices that the office is closed ... for 14 days... the exact incubation time for Covid-19, which makes me think she or her staff have had multiple exposures.

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Friday, January 8, 2021 5:30 PM

1KIKI

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CNN is the original source for the other stories reported in the news. It (claims it) obtained a 'report' from the Coronavirus Task Force, but provided no link to the original.

Quote:

White House task force says there could be a fast-spreading 'USA variant' of coronavirus
“Without uniform implementation of effective face masking (two or three ply and well-fitting) and strict social distancing, epidemics could quickly worsen as these variants spread and become predominant.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/white-house-coronavirus-ta
sk-force-reports/index.html



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Friday, January 8, 2021 7:57 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

How to reduce air leakage around a mask

Mask fitters

Masks fitters are a "frame" that can be placed over masks to improve the fit and "seal" of the mask against the face to reduce air leakage and increase inhalation filtration efficiency. Using mannequins that could "breathe," researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison found that placing either of two marketed mask fitters over a variety of masks increased inhalation filtration efficiencies from just 7% without the fitter to 26% for a 4-ply cotton mask, from 52% to 63% for a 3-ply spunbond polypropylene mask, from 44% to 91% for a surgical mask, and from only 18% up to as much as 95% for a 3-ply disposable non-medical mask with a melt-blown polypropylene center. Sign in to learn make a mask fitter at home or buy either of the two used in the study.

Nylon stockings

Another way to reduce air leaks was suggested by a study at Northeastern University in Boston, which showed that pulling an 8 to 10-inch tube of nylon (cut from a queen-sized nylon stocking) down over a regular mask and to the top of the neck. This significantly prevented air leakage around the mask and improved particle filtration efficiency, making the combined masking nearly as effective as an N-95 respirator which, unlike a medical mask, has an electrostatic charge and is specifically designed to prevent air leakage (Mueller, medRxiv 2020 --preprint; Godoy, NPR.org 4/22/20).

Similarly, a study found that adding a sleeve of nylon hosiery over a medical procedural mask with ear loops (Cardinal Health Inc) increased its overall filtration efficiency from just 38.5% to 80%. Other techniques that created a better fit for the procedure mask to reduce air leakage included tying the ear loops and tucking in the side pleats (see video demonstration), which increased filtration efficiency to 60.3%, or securing the ear loops with ear guards (61.7%), a hair clip (64.8%) or placing three rubber bands across the front of the mask and looped on the ears (78.2%) (Clapp, JAMA Intern Med 2020).

This is behind a paywall, so I can't provide a good URL, but it is from ConsumerLab



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Friday, January 8, 2021 7:59 PM

SIGNYM

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This is what a mask-fitter looks like



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Saturday, January 9, 2021 5:21 PM

1KIKI

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‘Our New York Moment’: Virus Surges in Southern California

In the coming days, Los Angeles County will reach a level where one in 10 residents has tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/california-coronavirus.html

To put that in perspective, the US has a tot al of 22,060,588 confirmed cases ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) or about 6.8% of the population.

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Saturday, January 9, 2021 6:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:


‘Our New York Moment’: Virus Surges in Southern California

In the coming days, Los Angeles County will reach a level where one in 10 residents has tested positive for the coronavirus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/us/california-coronavirus.html

To put that in perspective, the US has a tot al of 22,060,588 confirmed cases ( https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html) or about 6.8% of the population.

And this despite the ongoing lockdowns.

This virus is (as Chris Martensen says) like the honey badger: if it can't get out one way, it will find another...

Please take a few moments to enjoy this video about Stoffel the honey badger



So redoing my calculations, out of 100 people in a small grocery store, 10 will be infected. Or, out of 200 people in a medium-sized grocery store, 20 will be infected. Of those, maybe 3 will be pre-/symptomatic and contagious. And aerosols can linger in the air for hours.

That isn't a situation that stupid masks can alleviate. The only real protection in an N95 or equivalent (or better). Even then, they're ony 95% effective, so if you walk thru an aerosol cloud you may get a lower inoculum which might give your body time to fight it off... or not... but really, EVERYONE should be wearing N95 or equivalent because then the reduction in viral particles would be about 99.8%

The way they handled this is just stupid

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Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:40 PM

1KIKI

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1 in 3 L.A. County residents have been infected by coronavirus, new estimate shows

About 75% of L.A. County's population will need to be immune to the virus through widespread vaccinations to dramatically slow its spread, Lewis estimated. Even if half of L.A. County's population were immune, "and yet we decide to just pretend that we don't have to take precautions, we will still have a very, very devastating pandemic."

When leaving home to access essential services, L.A. County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said, people should bring sanitizing wipes to disinfect their cellphones, car keys, work stations and door handles — anything they might touch that others also have touched. Health officials also suggested avoiding eating or drinking with anyone not in your household, washing or sanitizing your hands every hour if you’re around others, and taking a break from shopping.

They also issued a new recommendation: People who live with elderly residents or with residents who have an underlying medical condition and must go out of their households should wear a mask at home.

Across Southern California, hospitals are overcrowded to an extent not seen in modern history. In Ventura County on Tuesday, there was a total of 1,002 hospitalized patients — 448 of them infected with the coronavirus. "I don't know that we've ever had that many patients hospitalized at the same time in our county," said Steve Carroll, Ventura County emergency medical services administrator.

In L.A. County ... hospitals are still overstretched and hospitalizations are extraordinarily high; the ICU at Memorial Hospital of Gardena, for instance, is at 320% occupancy.

Over the past few weeks, an average of 700 to 850 new patients a day with coronavirus infections have been admitted to hospitals in L.A. County — a number that has pushed hospitals to prepare for the need to ration care.

In Riverside County, there have been days when 10 of its hospitals are using 100%, or more than its total licensed capacity, of beds, said Bruce Barton, Riverside County director of emergency management.


https://news.yahoo.com/1-3-l-county-residents-164650511.html

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Thursday, January 14, 2021 5:03 PM

1KIKI

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After lagging start, Newsom promises 1 million more California COVID-19 vaccinations in nine days

Though California has received more than 2 million doses of vaccine, as of Friday less than a third had been administered to the frontline healthcare workers and residents at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities who are eligible in the first round of inoculations.

"I would expect — and you should expect — that we are going to see a substantially higher number of vaccines administered in the coming days and coming weeks," said Newsom, later adding, "Hold me accountable."

Newsom defended the state's regimented prioritization of who can receive the vaccine, saying that a shortage is inevitable amid worldwide demand for vaccines and the focus should remain on ensuring groups with the most pressing needs are first in line.

"There is this false pretense that somehow the vaccines are plentiful when they're not," Newsom said.


https://news.yahoo.com/lagging-start-newsom-promises-1-011807693.html

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Friday, January 15, 2021 12:51 PM

1KIKI

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Quote:

"I don't believe we have the evidence on any of the vaccines to be confident that it's going to prevent people from actually getting the infection and therefore being able to pass it on”, says WHO Chief Scientist @doctorsoumya pic.twitter.com/QdTvzj7Nyd


This is my take on the vaccines and what they do and don't do.

The endpoint was always to prevent severe disease and death. Severe disease would be pneumonia, active heart infection, CVS infection (besides the heart), kidney, liver, and brain damage due either to clots or active tissue infection, and other COVID-19 medical wildfires. These areas of the body are protected by blood-based immunoglobulins IgM and IgG (and cell-based immunity). And so an injection is the proper route to stimulate that kind of immunity.

But COVID-19 also attaches to and multiplies in the nose and upper airways, eyes, and mouth. These are tissues 'external' to the body, and not protected by blood-based immunity. Instead, they're protected by the IgA class of immunoglobulins secreted into fluids that bathe the tissues, like tears, saliva, and mucus. The proper route for immunizing those areas would be a nose spray/ inhaler, eye drops, and mouth rinse.

Because the vaccines are given by injection, in theory, person may be immunized against serious disease and have robust blood-based IgM/ IgG, (and cellular) immunity, but still catch and spread the virus by nose/ airway, ocular, and saliva-based routes.

That's why people are still encouraged to wear masks, social distance, and wash their hands even after being vaccinated, to protect others - and why Australia for example will still require a negative COVID-19 test for entry, even among the vaccinated. (Protective measures will also cover the 5% vaccination failure rate, and protect the individual.)

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Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:16 PM

1KIKI

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Emerging evidence suggests new coronavirus variant could be problematic for vaccines

In the most recent study, which was small, researchers took antibodies from six people who were hospitalized with Covid-19 before the new variant was discovered. They found to varying degrees, that antibodies for all six of the survivors were unable to fully fight off the virus.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/21/health/coronavirus-variant-problem-
vaccines/index.html




I first heard about this on KNX1070 5 days ago while I was out shopping, but I don't have access to their 'podcasts' so I couldn't go back and retrieve the information. BTW, the guy they were interviewing sounded really, really nervous revealing that info. But I guess they got the right expert to interview, since he was far ahead of the news wave.

I tried to confirm it with a duck-search - but at that time and in the interim till now, all the news was still posting happy-talk about the vaccines and the variants.

A few things:

1) If KNX1070 had this information 5 days ago: SO DID NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, CNN, et al
2) I wonder if the m$M would have sat on it indefinitely if they thought it was at all possible (if the news wasn't already out in a few places)
3) the news that comes out of the m$m is obviously strategically controlled since there was no news-reason to sit on it all this time as a news story
4) this is bad news for vaccine efforts


I truly think that all vaccinations need to be done in stages. The second vaccine needs to be whole killed virus/ bacteria, which is absolutely not infections but which has the entire panoply of proteins available to trigger an immune response, and which would give a broader-range, and superior, protection.


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:42 PM

1KIKI

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The chance that a person hospitalized for COVID-19 will die in Los Angeles County has doubled in recent months.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/more-than-4-000-in-l-a-county
-dead-of-covid-19-since-new-year-s-day/ar-BB1cXI8q

(originally in the LATimes, republished by MSN)

That's according to an analysis released Wednesday by the county's Department of Health Services, which found that the chance someone will die from the disease while hospitalized increased from about 1 in 8 in September and October to roughly 1 in 4 since early November.

Dr. Roger Lewis, director of COVID-19 hospital demand modeling for the L.A. County Department of Health Services, said the increased chance of dying is a result of hospitals being so crowded that only the sickest patients are being admitted.

(LACounty) accounts for roughly 41% of California's 35,000 cumulative COVID-19 deaths, despite being home to only a quarter of the state's population.

In mid-April, when the pandemic was in its early stages, L.A. County's daily COVID-19 death toll was roughly 50, on average. The current wave has been markedly worse, with the average daily death toll peaking at 241 deaths a day for the seven-day period that ended on Jan. 14.



Maybe that's the reason why so many more people I talk with know someone who's died of COVID-19.


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 5:45 PM

SIGNYM

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Supposedly the Chinese vaccine is inactivated virus, but only 50-60% effective.

Also, there was a study that came out in Britain, I believe, that showed that antibody therapy was NOT effective. Since these reports tend to come out well after the studies, this particular study may have been done before any of the new variants developed. So antibodies may not be the principal immune response.



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Thursday, January 21, 2021 6:37 PM

1KIKI

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I looked it up.

I'm not sure about the Sinopharm vaccine, but another Chinese manufacturer Sinovac vaccine has impressive claims

The problem comparing western vaccines v Chinese vaccines is that they seem to have 2 different endpoints.

Western vaccines were always geared toward preventing serious disease and death (pneumonia which happens in the lungs, heart infection, blood clotting etc). AFAIK there's no information as to whether or not they prevent infection by or spreading of SARS-CoV-2. What I've read is that initial infection and a portion of potential spread happens in the nose and upper airways. But those are areas very specifically rather remote from the blood-based immunity generated by vaccines. And that's one reason why even vaccinated people are cautioned to keep wearing masks, socially distance, and hand-wash.

The Sinovac vaccine claims 86% immunity AS WELL AS "TOTAL protection against severe cases of the disease". https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/matching-sinopharm-fellow-china-
biotech-sinovac-sees-78-covid-vaccine-efficacy


So ... I wonder about those apparent discrepancies between endpoints.

In any case, given the amount of undisclosed and buried information and marketing/ government hyperbole on all sides, it's difficult to distinguish between claims.


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Thursday, January 21, 2021 8:26 PM

1KIKI

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I just wanted to add this.

I've found reporting ESPECIALLY about the COVID-19 vaccines to be just as propagandist as reporting about the vote. What are presented as facts are misrepresented, and things we need to know are not reported at all.

Here's an example of m$m propaganda about the vote: the headlines either claimed that there was no "vote fraud", or "election fraud" or "vote irregularities" - when IN FACT - the stories focused on VOTER FRAUD, a very very narrow and virtually irrelevant category of vote manipulation.


In the same vein, the m$m constantly propagandizes us that the vaccines are 95% effective!!!!!! but doesn't tell us that the 'endpoint' isn't infection, or contagiousness, but SERIOUS ILLNESS AND DEATH.

And all the MD talking heads in the m$m who constantly told us there was no reason to 'believe' or 'think' that the new variants would be a problem for the vaccines were outright lying because EVERY WESTERN VACCINE IS BASED ON THE SPIKE PROTEIN, THE VERY REGIONS WHERE MUTATIONS HAVE OCCURRED.


At this point I don't know how much MORE I have to keep pointing out to people for them to realize that the news is not a truthful, complete, rendition of important facts, but pablum made to herd us into mental corrals and keep us stupefied there.



And BTW, I'm NOT anti-vaccine. They could be all that's standing between us and eternal medical chaos. I'm NOT pro-vaccine. They could be an immunologic nightmare. But THANKS to the m$m and the government, I know too little about the vaccines to make anything more than a guess about them.

Every bit of news treats us like we're simpletons, unable to understand a complicated and nuanced reality. And that we need to have our thoughts guided with simple stories and real-sounding factoids (without evidence) told to us by sincere-faced news-actors and instant experts and tptb mouthpieces.

THO I GUARANTEE ALL THIS THEATER TO GUIDE US FOR OUR OWN GOOD. I'M SURE OF IT. /sarcasm

And so reading a simple news article or watching a news show is like writing a fucking PhD dissertation, where I have to track down every original research paper or project report or 'source' background just to try to figure out what the fuck is going on with any particular presentation.

What an obvious crock they're shoveling at us, from all directions.



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Friday, January 22, 2021 7:38 PM

1KIKI

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NOW that the cat's officially out of the bag, the "news" is all over it.

NYTimes:
U.S. Coronavirus Cases Are Falling, but Variants Could Erase Progress
Some health experts see a turning point as new cases slow, but they warn of a bumpy vaccination rollout with more contagious variants emerging.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 8:11 PM

1KIKI

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Listening to KNX1070 again last night I caught some interesting information.

The British COVID-19 variant is more deadly BECAUSE it's more transmissible. People who have it 'deliver' a higher 'dose' of virus particles. And that makes the recipient have a worse case of COVID-19.

It also said that the experts expect the vaccine effectiveness to drop because of the variants, but that it should be effective 'enough' even if ti's only @ 70%.

One interesting tidbit that I caught was that when people who've had 'regular' COVID-19 had their antibodies tested against the SA variant, 50% had reduced biding, but the other 50% had no effect at all.

So this hesitation in the news to say that variants are more deadly, and that vaccines may not work, is going to end up as decidedly misleading in NOT THE NEWS.


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Monday, January 25, 2021 8:15 PM

1KIKI

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... the effort to snuff out COVID-19 is becoming an ever more urgent race between the vaccine and the mutating virus.

Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, ... said she is concerned that the more contagious variants of the virus could lead to a deadly resurgence later this year. “I think we were on track to have a good — or a better, at least — spring and summer, and I’m worried that the variants might be throwing us a curveball,” she said.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-us-update-29c07f020bca0aa4a48a8
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Tuesday, January 26, 2021 1:15 AM

1KIKI

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Signy

This might be helpful information for you.

You can check out N95s (and variations thereof like P100s) here:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/cel/default.html
and here
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/respsourc
e.html


Apparently there are many, many, many counterfeits:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/usernotices/counterfeitResp.html


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Wednesday, January 27, 2021 6:22 PM

1KIKI

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This is not about COVID-19, but about the (claimed) problems of focusing on SARS-CoV-2 infection to the exclusion of other infections: NYTimes

Quote:



With All Eyes on Covid-19, Drug-Resistant Infections Crept In
The spread of other dangerous germs is surging — a result, in part, of the chaotic response to the pandemic.


By Matt Richtel
Jan. 27, 2021 Updated 1:25 p.m. ET

As Covid-19 took hold over the last year, hospitals and nursing homes used and reused scarce protective equipment — masks, gloves, gowns. This desperate frugality helped prevent the airborne transfer of the virus.

But it also appears to have helped spread a different set of germs — drug-resistant bacteria and fungi — that have used the chaos of the pandemic to grow opportunistically in health care settings around the globe.

These bacteria and fungi, like Covid-19, prey on older people, the infirm and those with compromised immune systems. They can cling tenaciously to clothing and medical equipment, which is why nursing homes and hospitals before the pandemic were increasingly focused on cleaning rooms and changing gowns to prevent their spread.

That emphasis all but slipped away amid an all-consuming focus on the coronavirus. In fact, experts warn, the changes in hygiene and other practices caused by the Covid-19 fight are likely to have contributed to the spread of these drug-resistant germs.

“Seeing the world as a one-pathogen world is really problematic,” said Dr. Susan S. Huang, an infectious disease specialist at the University of California at Irvine Medical School, noting that the nearly singular focus on the pandemic appears to have led to more spread of drug-resistant infection. “We have every reason to believe the problem has gotten worse.”

A few data points reinforce her fears, including isolated outbreaks of various drug-resistant infections in Florida, New Jersey and California, as well as in India, Italy, Peru and France. Overall figures have been hard to track because many nursing homes and hospitals simply stopped screening for the germs as resources were diverted to Covid-19.

When even modest screening picked up again early in the summer, the results suggested that certain drug-resistant organisms had taken root and spread. Particularly troublesome have been growing case counts of a fungus called Candida auris, which authorities had tried to fight before the pandemic with increased screening, isolation of infected patients and better hygiene. Some strains of C. auris are resistant to all three major classes of antifungal drugs.

These intensive efforts had limited the spread of C. auris to a handful of cases in Los Angeles County. Now there are around 250, said Dr. Zachary Rubin, who leads the county’s infection control efforts at health care facilities.

“We saw a blooming in Candida auris,” said Dr. Rubin, who attributed the change to a handful of factors, notably the challenges in testing for the germ when so many testing resources went toward Covid-19.

Noxious drug-resistant bacteria are surfacing too, including Carbapenem-resistant Acinetobacter baumannii, which is considered an “urgent health threat” by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In December, the C.D.C. reported a cluster of Acinetobacter baumannii during a surge of Covid-19 patients in an urban New Jersey hospital with about 500 beds. The hospital was not identified. And hospitals in Italy and Peru saw the spread of the bacteria Klebsiella pneumoniae.

In an acknowledgment of the issue, three major medical societies sent a letter on Dec. 28 to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services asking for a temporary suspension of rules that tie reimbursement rates to hospital-acquired infections. The three groups — the Society of Healthcare Epidemiology of America, the Society of Infectious Diseases Pharmacists, and the Association for Infection Control and Epidemiology — feared that the infection rates may have risen because of Covid-19.

“Patient care staffing, supplies, care sites and standard practices have all changed during this extraordinary time,” the letter stated.

Not all types of drug-resistant infections have risen. For instance, some research shows no particular change during the pandemic in the rate of hospital patients acquiring the bacterium Clostridioides difficile — a finding that suggests the overall long-term impact of the pandemic on these infections is not yet clear.

Dr. Huang and other experts said they are not suggesting that the priority on fighting Covid-19 was misplaced. Rather, they say that renewed attention must be paid to drug-resistant germs. Earlier research has shown that as many as 65 percent of residents of nursing homes carry some form of drug-resistant infection.

Over the years, critics have charged that hospitals and, in particular, nursing homes, have been lax in their efforts to confront these infections because it is expensive to disinfect equipment, train staff, isolate infected patients and screen for the germs.

In response to these and other concerns, a greater effort was beginning to be made before the pandemic to monitor patients for these infections, particularly as they cycled in and out of nursing homes and intensive care units. This revolving door is known to spread germs that are carried by infected patients.

But after the pandemic began, there was much less monitoring and even, at times, a wholesale breakdown of communications about the transfer of such patients, experts said. Plus, the sickest Covid-19 patients were put on ventilators, where drug-resistant infections can cling and then spread.

Another possible contributor has been the heavy and regular use of steroids to treat Covid-19. These drugs help alleviate the virus’s most dangerous symptoms but can leave the immune system compromised in a way that allows other germs to more easily infiltrate the body.

The combination of these factors “is perfect” for the fungus to “take hold,” said Dr. Tom Chiller, the head of the fungal division of the C.D.C.

Earlier this month, the Florida Department of Health published a case report of four Candida auris cases at a hospital in Florida. (The hospital’s identity is masked by the C.D.C. and the state.) In an effort to understand the spread, the Florida department of health visited the Covid unit there in August. Their inquiry found that 35 of 67 patients admitted to the unit from Aug. 4 to 18 were colonized with C. auris, meaning that the fungus was on their skin but they were not yet infected.

Subsequently, six of the patients became infected.

Crucially, the study found that the spread of the fungus from one patient to the next may well have come from health care providers carrying the germ on protective gowns or gloves, as well as on mobile computers and other equipment that had been insufficiently cleaned. This was, the C.D.C. and other experts said, a breakdown in so-called infection control, a practice that had come under intense scrutiny in 2019 after C. auris took root in the East Coast and began to spread.

Nationally, the number of infections had increased to around 1,625 by November 2020, from 952 since the end of October 2019. The current number is likely far higher, Dr. Chiller said, because screening for the germ was largely halted early in the pandemic. When it picked up again, the numbers rose to 83 infections in August and 195 patients colonized — and, even then, testing was not as widespread as pre-pandemic.

The upshot is that the confirmed cases are “likely the tip of the iceberg,” Dr. Chiller said.

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This is so brain-dead simple, why doesn't Fauci see it?

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Opinion: Everyone should be wearing N95 masks now

Joseph G. Allen is an associate professor and director of the Healthy Buildings program at Harvard University’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health. He co-wrote “Healthy Buildings: How Indoor Spaces Drive Performance and Productivity.”

We are rightly grateful to the front-line health-care workers who put their lives on the line each day. Their relative risk of death rose 20 percent in 2020 over previous years.

We should also be grateful for the bakers and cooks, whose risk of death rose more than 50 percent. And for maids and truck drivers, who saw a 30 percent increase in death risk. And construction workers and shipping clerks, up more than 40 percent.


Those numbers come from a new report out of California that shines a light on the shocking risk to covid-19 by occupation. It also shows how necessary it is that we ramp up protections for essential workers. The best way to do that: better masks.

In the scrambling for information and tools in early days of the pandemic, it was acceptable to just say any cloth mask will do because it’s true. Any face covering is better than none.

But we’ve learned so much since then, and we need to adjust our strategy. A typical cloth mask might capture half of all respiratory aerosols that come out of our mouth when we talk, sing or just breathe. A tightly woven cloth mask might get you to 60 or 70 percent, and a blue surgical mask can get you to 70 or 80 percent.


But there’s no reason any essential worker — and, really, everyone in the country — should go without masks that filter 95 percent.

The masks I’m referring to, of course, are N95s. These are cheap — pre-pandemic they cost about 50 cents — and easy to manufacture. Yet our country has failed to invoke the Defense Production Act to produce enough masks for health-care workers and other essential workers. That needs to change, as my colleagues at Harvard Medical School have written

To see the true power of masks as a public health tool, we have to examine them in the context of everyone wearing them, where the power of each mask doubles. That’s because the particles have to pass through the material twice — once after being emitted and again before someone breathes them in. Take the example of two 70 percent efficient masks, which combine to reduce 91 percent of particles. Not bad. But two N95s result in greater than a 99 percent reduction in exposure.


Think about that for a minute. We could reduce exposure by 99 percent for what should be $1 a mask. (Prices are higher now because of the failure to produce an adequate supply.) Throw in better ventilation and some distance between people, and you have hospital-grade protections.

How well a mask works isn’t just about filtration; it must also fit well. A mask with a good set of filters doesn’t do much good if your breath can escape out the sides or top. The mask needs to go over the bridge of your nose, down around your chin and be flush against your cheeks.

Americans should become familiar with ways to test a mask’s fit. Every time you put on a mask, do a “user seal check.” Put your hands over the mask to block the air moving through it, and exhale gently. You shouldn’t feel air coming out the side or up toward your eyes. Then, test to make sure it stays in place by moving your head side to side and all around. Read passages of text, like the “Rainbow Passage” that’s commonly used for respirator fit testing, and see whether the mask slides around too much when you talk.

Beyond the basics of filtration and fit, consumers will need to navigate a confusing market. Is a KN95 mask acceptable? How about KF94? Does country of origin matter? What about counterfeits? A formal federal program could help by offering clear guidance on hi-fi masks.


Until that happens, here’s my cheat sheet: If you can find an N95, go for it. These are certified in the United States. Barring that, I’d go for the certified mask used in South Korea, the KF94. Next I’d choose KN95s, but there is a catch: The government reports that KN95s out of China might not meet standards unless the manufacturer holds a “NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) Certificate.”

If you can’t find one of these masks, or if you’re not sure whether they meet the standards, there’s something you can do right now with confidence: Double-mask with a surgical mask and a cloth mask. The surgical mask gives you good, certified filtration, while the cloth mask on top helps improve the fit. Research shows this can achieve greater than 90 percent filtration.

the CDC has a webpage on how to tell counterfeits from the real deal, and a webpage of certified manufacturers as well as filtration efficiency test results.

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Many people ask if they need an N95 on their morning runs or while sitting on a park bench. The answer to both is no. Choose masks based on the level of risk for that activity. If you’re out for a jog with no one around or on a walk outside with a friend, a simple two- or three-layer cloth mask is fine. But use a hi-fi mask or double-mask if you head indoors. If you’re an essential worker, a hi-fi mask is critical.


I’m not alone in calling for better masks, and certainly not the first. But I am joining the chorus calling for them. This could be the key to slowing the pandemic and limiting spread from the new more highly transmissible variants




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Thursday, January 28, 2021 6:51 PM

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Signy, here's a non-technical explanation re different masks and standards. It does have some useful tips and alternatives to N and KN.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/27/covid-19-face-masks-how-filtration-ma
sks--like-the-kn95-n95-and-kn94--differ
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"The number on all of those refers to its filtration efficiency, so the percentage of articles that it stops from getting through"

"The N in N95 stands for NIOSH [The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health], and that's the U.S. standard, and it's an occupational standard," Volckens said. "KN95 is a Chinese standard that is close to the U.S. standard and KF94 is a Korean standard."

"N" is also a NIOSH-rating for masks that are non-resistant to oil.

KF literally stands for "Korean filter." Notably, a study published in 2020 showed that KF94 masks are comparable to the N95 in blocking SARS-CoV-2 particles, and more effective than a surgical mask. However, the study was quite limited as only seven patients with SARS-CoV-2 infection participated in it.

"KF94s seem to be more readily available than the N95, less expensive [generally under $2 each] and easier to use for many people," Sonali Advani, an assistant professor of medicine at Duke University, told NPR. "KF94 is actually intended for public use. In Korea they are often worn by ordinary citizens to filter out dust or pollution."

Volckens explained that N95 masks are only certified by one lab that is part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and that is partly why supply can't meet demand right now.

"They're very stringent on who they let become an N95, which is why you don't see a lot of them on the market anymore because they've all been purchased," Volckens said. "The problem with KN95 and KN94s is that there are a lot of imposters on the market, and we don't know what you're buying."

When it comes to N95 masks, each mask has a stamp that states it was certified by NIOSH with a certification number that you can look up online. Volckens added there are also masks that have ASTM [American Society for Testing and Materials] standards that are "nearly equivalent" to N95 masks— like the FFP2, which stands for "filtering face-piece two level" mask.

In some parts of Europe, like Germany, the federal and state governments are mandating that FFP2 masks are used in stores and on public transportation now. According to NPR, Austria is making similar recommendations. In France, the High Council for Public Health announced it is also recommending people wear surgical masks in public— instead of fabric masks.

In the U.S., the CDC continues to recommend fabric masks for the general public, as long as they have at least two layers.

Volckens said people should buy masks from a supplier that has been filter tested. Regarding the fit of the mask, that can be reconciled by double masking.

"That's why you can double mask because you can buy a mask that doesn't fit well but then use something else to hold that mask closer to your face," Volckens said. "That's what we talk about double masking being effective on fit."


Or get those mask-fitting add-ons you posted above.

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Saturday, January 30, 2021 5:27 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/los-angeles-california-cov
id-cases.html


Los Angeles County is at an extremely high risk level.

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Tuesday, February 2, 2021 1:30 PM

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Saturday, February 6, 2021 6:49 PM

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After months of ignoring it when not outright belittling it, western media finally has to admit Russia's COVID-19 vaccine Sputnik V is an international hit.


Putin’s Once-Scorned Vaccine Now Favorite in Pandemic Fight

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-06/putin-s-once-scorne
d-vaccine-is-now-a-favorite-in-pandemic-fight

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:35 PM

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"Our initial findings suggest that introduction through an intermediary host species is the most likely passway and one that will require more studies and more specific targeted research ... The findings suggest that a laboratory incident hypothesis is extremely unlikely to explain the introduction of the virus into the human population," the WHO expert said.
https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/18671-coronavirus-laboratory-in
cident-hypothesis-extremely-unlikely-who.html


As always, this requires some research and verification, not just that the reporting is accurate, but also that it's complete, and important caveats and disclaimers weren't left out.

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Tuesday, February 9, 2021 5:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Meanwhile, while this isn't about COVID-19/ SARS-CoV-2, it does highlight the degree to which known influenza (not SARS) viruses are monitored in farm animals around the world, and addressed vigorously.


Vietnam culls 100,000 poultry as bird flu outbreaks spread
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-vietnam-birdflu-idUSKBN2A80H5


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Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

After months of ignoring it when not outright belittling it, western media finally has to admit Russia's COVID-19 vaccine Sputnik V is an international hit.


Putin’s Once-Scorned Vaccine Now Favorite in Pandemic Fight

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-06/putin-s-once-scorne
d-vaccine-is-now-a-favorite-in-pandemic-fight

Wish I could get it. It seems to be highly effective and not have as many serious side effects/ deaths.

Speaking of vaccination deaths ...


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Deaths of Elderly Who Recovered From COVID-19, but Died After Vaccine, Raise Questions
Sharyl Attkisson
February 10, 2021 Updated: February 11, 2021

Two small clusters of deaths after COVID-19 vaccination have been reported among nursing homes in Kentucky and Arkansas.

In Kentucky, four seniors died the same day of their vaccination on Dec. 30, 2020. Three of the four who passed away reportedly already had had coronavirus prior to getting vaccinated.

In Arkansas, four seniors died at a long term care facility about a week after their vaccination. All tested positive for COVID-19 after vaccination.

The deaths are reported in a federal database called VAERS, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.

Deaths after vaccination don’t necessarily mean the vaccine is to blame. Of those receiving coronavirus vaccines, many are elderly and frail, or already suffering from serious illnesses. That makes it difficult to know whether there’s a connection.
Kentucky Nursing Home Deaths

According to VAERS reports, the Kentucky deaths occurred on Dec. 30 after vaccinations with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. An ill 88-year-old woman who was “14 + days post covid” was given the Pfizer-BioNTech shot while she was “unresponsive in [her] room.” She died within an hour and a half (914961-1). An 88-year-old who was “15 days post covid” got the shot, was monitored for 15 minutes afterward, and passed away within 90 minutes (914994-1). A third report says an 88-year-old woman who was “14 + days post covid” vomited four minutes after receiving her shot, became short of breath, and passed away that night (915562-1). And an 85-year-old woman vaccinated at 5 p.m. was “found unresponsive” less than two hours later and died shortly after (915682-1).

In response to questions about the Kentucky cluster, a spokesman for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) said its experts noted “no pattern … among the [Kentucky] cases that would indicate a concern for the safety of the COVID-19 vaccine.”

NO PATTERN? Seems like four people dying within hours of getting vaccinated is a pretty strong pattern!

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Scientists differ on whether people who have had coronavirus, like the Kentucky patients, should receive the COVID-19 vaccination at all. The CDC insists it’s safe for people who have recovered from COVID-19 to get vaccinated and that there’s no minimum interval recommended between infection and vaccination.

“Vaccination should be offered to persons regardless of history of prior symptomatic or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 [the virus that causes COVID-19] infection,” it states.

But other scientists say vaccinating people who are already considered immune after a natural COVID-19 infection wastes valuable doses of vaccines when there are shortages. And neither Pfizer’s nor Moderna’s studies showed any benefit to vaccinating previously infected patients.

The Kentucky patients were vaccinated shortly after the CDC disseminated false information on this point. The CDC claimed studies showed that vaccines are effective for people who have had COVID-19. The disinformation was given on the agency’s website, in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report and in a webinar instruction to medical professionals.

In the webinar, the CDC’s Dr. Sarah Oliver falsely stated, “Data from both clinical trials suggests that people with prior infection are still likely to benefit from vaccination.”

Under pressure from Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who first flagged the CDC’s incorrect information in December, the agency recently issued a correction but used wording that still falsely implies studies showed that the vaccines helped people previously infected with COVID-19.

Meantime, preliminary results from a study co-authored by a team of more than two dozen researchers noted that people infected with COVID-19 in the past “experience systemic side effects with a significantly higher frequency” after vaccination than others.


The CDC confirms that it’s monitoring reports that people who’ve already had COVID-19 seem to be suffering significantly more frequent or more severe reactions after vaccination, or “reactogenicity,” than those who didn’t have COVID-19.

“CDC is aware of reports of increased reactogenicity (such as fever, chills, and muscle aches) in persons who have had COVID-19,” said a spokesman.
Arkansas Nursing Home Deaths

Four nursing home deaths in Arkansas occurred after vaccination with the Moderna-manufactured vaccine. All four patients tested positive for COVID-19 after vaccination, according to the VAERS reports. But there’s no indication as to whether they had coronavirus at the time of their vaccination or acquired it after their shot.

A 65-year-old man (921547-1) who received the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 2, 2021, died two days later, with the VAERS report noting that he had COVID-19. Three other Arkansas seniors died about a week after receiving the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 22, 2020. The person reporting the death of an 82-year-old man (917117-1) six days after his shot said he was vaccinated in an attempt to “mitigate his risk” and that “this was unsuccessful and [the] patient died.” The VAERS report notes, “After vaccination, patient tested positive for COVID-19.”

Two elderly women, ages 90 (917790-1) and 78 (917793-1), were vaccinated the same day as the 65-year-old man and also tested positive for COVID-19 about a week after their shots and died. According to the unnamed person who reported the 90-year-old’s death, “the vaccine did not have enough time to prevent COVID 19” and “There is no evidence that the vaccination caused patient’s death. It simply didn’t have time to save her life.” The person who reported the 78-year-old’s death claimed she died “as a result of COVID-19 and her underlying health conditions and not as a result of the vaccine.”

In response to questions about the Arkansas cluster, the CDC said, “Surveillance data to date do not indicate excess deaths among elderly patients receiving COVID-19 vaccinations.” Overall, says the agency, the number of deaths at long term care facilities after COVID-19 vaccinations is no higher than what would be expected to occur naturally.

Frail Patients
Separately, the CDC is monitoring the impact of the vaccines on already-frail patients such as the chronically ill in nursing homes.

In Norway, alarm bells sounded when 23 people died shortly after vaccination. After investigating 13 of the deaths, Norway’s medical agency has concluded side effects that are common with the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines, such as fever, nausea, and diarrhea, “may have contributed to fatal outcomes in some of the frail patients.”

“There is a possibility that these common adverse reactions, that are not dangerous in fitter, younger patients and are not unusual with vaccines, may aggravate underlying disease in the elderly,” said Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

A World Health Organization (WHO) expert panel disagrees. It says the deaths “are in line with the expected, all-cause mortality rates and causes of death in the sub-population of frail, elderly individuals, and the available information does not confirm a contributory role for the vaccine in the reported fatal events.”

But one unanswered question is whether patients who are both frail and have already had COVID-19 might suffer a double-whammy that puts them at greater risk when vaccinated. First, those with a previous COVID-19 infection might be more likely to suffer adverse events upon vaccination, according to scientific reports. Second, their frailty may make them less able to handle the adverse events, as Norway’s medical agency found with some patients.

In the United States, VAERS reports contain numerous other cases of elderly, frail people who’d had COVID-19, got vaccinated, and died.

A 96-year-old Ohio woman tested positive for COVID-19 in November, got the Pfizer vaccine on Dec. 28, 2020, in a rehab facility after a fall, and died that afternoon (915920-1).

A 94-year-old Michigan man at a senior living facility who had COVID-19 and other illnesses received the Moderna vaccine on Jan. 2, 2021, and died of cardiac arrest two days later (918487-1).

A 91-year-old Michigan woman with Alzheimer’s and other illnesses at a senior living facility who had tested positive for COVID-19 received the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 30, 2020. She died four days later (924186-1).

And an 85-year-old California woman with Alzheimer’s and other disorders at a senior living facility received the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine on Jan. 5, 2021, and was found dead the same day. After her vaccination, an earlier COVID-19 test from Jan. 3 returned positive, though she’d had no symptoms (924456-1).

In other cases, elderly, frail patients tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after vaccination.

A 104-year-old woman in New York received the Pfizer vaccine on Dec. 30, 2020. The next day, a COVID-19 test was done and came back positive. She became ill the following day and died on Jan. 4, 2021 (920832-1).

And a 71-year-old New York man received the Moderna vaccine on Dec. 21, 2020, developed a fever and respiratory distress, and tested positive for COVID-19. He was given Remdesivir. He died after 6 days (922977-1).

A WHO vaccine safety subcommittee reviewed reports of deaths among the frail, elderly after the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The members determined, two weeks ago, there’s no cause for concern. “The benefit-risk balance of [Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine] BNT162b2 remains favorable in the elderly, and does not suggest any revision, at present, to the recommendations around the safety of this vaccine,” said the WHO officials.
Pfizer, Moderna, and CDC Responses

In response to questions for this report, Pfizer issued a statement saying: “We take adverse events that are potentially associated with our COVID-19 vaccine, BNT162b2, very seriously. We closely monitor all such events and collect relevant information to share with global regulatory authorities. Based on ongoing safety reviews performed by Pfizer, BioNTech and health authorities, BNT162b2 retains a positive benefit-risk profile for the prevention of COVID-19 infections.”

Pfizer said that millions of people have been vaccinated and “serious adverse events, including deaths that are unrelated to the vaccine, are unfortunately likely to occur at a similar rate as they would in the general population.”

Pfizer didn’t answer whether it has concluded that any deaths might be linked to vaccination. It also wouldn’t answer whether it has looked at any clusters of deaths, or noted any patterns or areas of concern. And the company wouldn’t say whether it recommends that those recently or currently infected with COVID-19 get vaccinated.

Moderna didn’t answer our questions or request for information and comment.

Currently, the CDC recommends vaccination for people who’ve already had coronavirus.

The agency didn’t directly answer the question of whether it’s safe for people to get vaccinated while they have an active COVID-19 infection. A CDC spokesman said that deferring vaccination is recommended in those instances, but didn’t say whether it was due to a safety issue.

“Vaccination of persons with known current SARS-CoV-2 infection should be deferred until the person has recovered from the acute illness (if the person had symptoms) and criteria have been met for them to discontinue isolation,” says the CDC. “This recommendation applies to persons who develop SARS-CoV-2 infection before receiving any vaccine doses as well as those who develop SARS-CoV-2 infection after the first dose but before receipt of the second dose.”



The risk of death from vaccination is still low, but it seems that people most at risk from dying of Covid-19 .... or who, ironically, survived Covid ... are also the ones most at risk for death from vaccination.

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The risk of death from vaccination is still low, but it seems that people most at risk from dying of Covid-19 .... or who, ironically, survived Covid ... are also the ones most at risk for death from vaccination.






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Friday, February 12, 2021 4:52 AM

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Speaking of vaccination deaths ...

The risk of death from vaccination is still low, but it seems that people most at risk from dying of Covid-19 .... or who, ironically, survived Covid ... are also the ones most at risk for death from vaccination.

I went back to the original article because that's what I do. Unfortunately, there were no 'original source' links except those that were linked to case numbers. And those required me to sign in to a database, and I'm not going to jump through those hoops.

And I was really hoping there were links to the original CDC/ MMWR 'misinformation' and to the corrected 'misinformation' - or even quotes I could look up - but there weren't.

And I was hoping there's be links to information to give a relative scale for the information - how many vaccinated people in the very specific demographic elderly/ nursing home/ rehab home etc and how many deaths after vax v how many people vaccinated in the US in general and how many deaths after vax; just to eyeball the numbers.

Anyway, there wasn't the information or the links I was hoping for, to help me make sens of the article or evaluate it the information.




This kind of reminds me of 'when is a cluster not a cluster' - you know, 'thyroid cancer' clusters, 'neurological' clusters, 'leukemia' clusters, etc. I was also hoping the article had some links to some analysis indicating if these were actual statistical clusters or just normal run-of-the-mill bunching data has.



Anyway, I didn't find an easy path forward and I'm not going to research it. I'll keep it in mind as a possibility, but at the present I can't find any reason to accept it either.

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Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:46 PM

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Since the LATimes is behind a paywall, the story may be read at either YAHOO or MSN.

California's coronavirus strain looks increasingly dangerous: 'The devil is already here'

https://news.yahoo.com/californias-coronavirus-strain-looks-increasing
ly-130055544.html


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/californias-coronavirus-strai
n-looks-increasingly-dangerous-the-devil-is-already-here/ar-BB1dWmbA


https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-02-23/california-homegrown-
coronavirus-strain-looks-increasingly-transmissible-and-dangerous



The most salient medical facts are contained in the first paragraph:
Quote:

A coronavirus variant that probably emerged in May and surged to become the dominant strain in California not only spreads more readily than its predecessors but also evades antibodies generated by COVID-19 vaccines or prior infection and is associated with severe illness and death, researchers said.


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Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:43 PM

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details of California's new strain summarized from the LATimes article

The CA strain B.1.427/B.1.429 has three mutations that affect the spike protein. One of those mutations L452R is previously unseen (novel) and makes the virus bind more strongly to the spike protein. While new mutations that confer news strengths ALSO often confer new weaknesses (for example trading off transmissibility for ability to cause serious disease (virulence)) the CA strain mutations don't appear to have introduced any weaknesses, only strengths.

The variant is 19% to 24% more transmissible, but under particular circumstances transmission can be six times higher. Since Sep 1, 2020 when the strain was virtually unknown, it now accounts for 50% of all coronavirus samples that were subjected to genetic analysis in the state.

One reason may be that those with the CA strain had viral loads in the nasopharynx that were twice as high. That, in turn, made it highly likely that each person infected with the new strain would go on to infect more people.

A study with an engineered strain with L452R alone was more than three times more infectious.

The L452R mutation alone also made the California strain more damaging. It was able to infect human lung tissue at least 40% more readily.

In the lab, the California strain overall also revealed itself to be only half as susceptible to antibodies to previous infections or from vaccination. (The South African coronavirus strain is only 1/6 susceptible to antibodies from previous infection and vaccination by comparison.)

Ominously, the new study also suggested the California variant could have the added impact of greater virulence (ability to cause more serious disease), based on the medical charts of 324 patients hospitalized at UCSF. The researchers found that the 21% of these patients who contracted B.1.427/B.1.429 were more likely than their counterparts to have been admitted to the ICU, and they were 11 times more likely to die. That finding held up even after researchers adjusted for differences in the patients' age, gender and ethnicity.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:00 PM

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FDA Clears JNJ Covid-19 Shot For Use In The US, Giving Americans 3rd Vaccine Choice

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 9:10 PM

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fwiw if I have a choice I want the J&J vax. It's only 1 shot so there's no heightened risk with a second shot, it and has no reports of allergic reactions.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 10:20 PM

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You seem to pride yourself on correctly discerning between opinion and evidence.

I'm just wondering if you've ever actually read anything that convinces you that it's a-okay that they have now fast-tracked approval for not one, not two, but now three vaccines within the course of a year.

Numbers differ on the average length of time it typically takes to approve a vaccination with some sources saying 15 years. But even on the low end I don't see anyone claiming less than 6 to 8 years.


There's no freakin' way I'm ever putting any of them into my arms before 2031.



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Saturday, February 27, 2021 10:26 PM

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My friend's brother is a chemist working at [redacted]... (Why mention which of the three it is? It doesn't matter. In case anybody ever doxxes me, there's no point in potentially getting somebody I know in any trouble... See your freedom of speech post you just made tonight).

His dad told me a few months ago that he'd asked him what he thought about the vaccine. He wouldn't tell his dad whether or not he should get the vaccine, but asked him how his health was otherwise, honestly, and if he felt that he was really at risk or not if he were to get Covid. The same for his mom.

He was the one who said that it usually takes at least 6 to 8 years before vaccinations are approved, and didn't instill a lot of confidence in my friend's dad about the whole thing.


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Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:47 PM

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mRNA technology was used to produce the first 2 vaccines and it's a novel technology. That's one of the things I have against the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. That may be the objection your brother's friend had to them. The J&J vaccine uses the adenovirus as a vector, and that technology has been around and been studied since the 70's, so it's a far better known quantity, and had a history of being really well tolerated.


Many vaccines linger in development simply because no one wants to put the money into them to study them.

The Ebola vaccine was at that point for decades until the last big outbreak in Africa in 2014. Then by a fluke of luck a man was discovered who had had Ebola who had neutralizing antibodies. They used his blood to 'probe' which parts of the Ebola virus were targeted by the antibodies, then reverse-engineered the genetic code to those parts of the virus ... and from there, the rest as they say, is history. There are now many many vaccine candidates waiting on large-scale trials.

One of the things that really jump-started the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine development, like the man with Ebola-neutralizing antibodies, was that the Chinese published the genetic code on the internet within weeks of the recognized outbreak, and vaccine development started from there.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
That may be the objection your brother's friend had to them.



No. He clearly stated that his objection to them was that it typically takes 6 to 8 years before a vaccine is approved.

There is no legitimate reason you can come up with that it is OK that we are not only approving vaccines in 8 to 11 months now, but we've already vaccinated 10's of Millions of people with them and after enough people have gotten it they will start enforcing penalties against people who choose not to get it.

My guess is that they'll withhold your license to work if you refuse to get it.

People keep telling me that's not going to happen in America, but we're not close to the level of people who willingly have to get it because they're terrified or just tired of this horrible new normal the Government has imposed upon the weak willed people of America.


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 12:56 AM

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Did you watch Utopia on Amazon Prime yet?


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 1:12 AM

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"No. He clearly stated that his objection to them was that it typically takes 6 to 8 years before a vaccine is approved."

Then he's wrong. Flu vaccines are approved in less than a year.


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 1:23 AM

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The predictions thread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=19

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
... after enough people have gotten it (a COVID-19 vaccine) they will start enforcing penalties against people who choose not to get it.

My guess is that they'll withhold your license to work if you refuse to get it.


People keep telling me that's not going to happen in America, but we're not close to the level of people who willingly have to get it because they're terrified or just tired of this horrible new normal the Government has imposed upon the weak willed people of America.


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

"No. He clearly stated that his objection to them was that it typically takes 6 to 8 years before a vaccine is approved."

Then he's wrong. Flu vaccines are approved in less than a year.




You're wrong. As you've pointed out a billion times, this is not the flu.

This is a NOVEL virus. Entirely different.

It took 23 years to engineer and approve a Polio vaccine. Over 170 years for Smallpox. 13 years for Tuberculosis, and 100 years later its still only given to infants at high risk of contracting it.


You're supposed to be following the Science. Don't pretend that this circumstance is magic.





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Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

The predictions thread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=51008&p=19

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
... after enough people have gotten it (a COVID-19 vaccine) they will start enforcing penalties against people who choose not to get it.

My guess is that they'll withhold your license to work if you refuse to get it.


People keep telling me that's not going to happen in America, but we're not close to the level of people who willingly have to get it because they're terrified or just tired of this horrible new normal the Government has imposed upon the weak willed people of America.





Why don't you think this will happen?

You should put my full prediction in there that I made a long time ago. The scared little cattle that willingly run with their arms out for it get it first, along with weak willed people who would literally do anything to go back to life before lockdowns. That right there will be around 60%.

After that, comes the guilt. You already see that in the media, as well as the media advocating that you yourself partake in trying to shame other people. You'll get another 10 to 15% there.

Second just posted this article in the other thread this morning:

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/life/article/Peter-Hotez-fight-for-sc
ience-COVID-houston-texas-15982489.php


Quote:

He asked his wife, Ann, what he should do. Speak out, she said. “You don’t want to wake up in a year and see the body count and know that you didn’t do all you could to prevent it.”


You could stumble around with a blindfold on and find a dozen articles per day sharing that sentiment.



As for requiring people to get vaccinated before going back to work?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/18/require-covid-19-vaccine-for-work-retu
rn-heres-what-americans-say.html


Quote:

57% of workers support a mandatory Covid-19 vaccine for return to office: CNBC Survey


https://www.benefitnews.com/list/can-employers-mandate-workers-be-vacc
inated-before-returning-to-work


Quote:

Can employers mandate workers be vaccinated before returning to work?

It's pretty clearly established that yes, [individual] employers can require mandatory vaccinations, as a matter of prior health crises and common law.



https://www.aarp.org/work/working-at-50-plus/info-2020/employer-requir
e-covid-vaccine.html


Quote:

Can Your Employer Require You to Get a COVID-19 Vaccine?

The short answer: Yes. An employer can make a vaccination a requirement if you want to continue working there.





And please... Don't you DARE say some bullshit like "it's not being mandated by the government so it's okay".

I already know your stance on freedom of speech when it comes to that bullshit argument, and if you try to justify away that this would in any way be different from that, you are as big a hypocrite as the Nilbot is.





I've already seen this exact playbook used against smokers. Once there are enough people who got the vaccine of their own free will... even those who did so under duress, it will not be hard at all to pass laws that keep non-vaccinated citizens from engaging in any activities they'd need to perform to survive.

And there will be no voices out there supporting their choice. Quite the opposite. They will have no pity from the mob, and will be blamed by the mob for doing this to themselves. And they will be hated by the mob because the mob will believe that they are the reason that this non-deadly sham of an overblown cold is still in the news headlines.


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 10:43 AM

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Oh... Here's another one. It's almost as if I'm not the only one thinking about this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/12/15/vaccine-cards-discri
mination-immunity-passports
/

Quote:

Proof of vaccination will be very valuable — and easy to abuse
Imagine a two-tiered society: One group has access to jobs and public places, one doesn’t



Quote:

Until a vaccine is fully approved and widely available, we should not — except in the rarest of cases — make participation in society depend on immunity status. And yet the vaccination cards that will be issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other public health agencies worldwide will make enforcing that norm a challenge.


We shouldn't do it just yet. But when enough vaccines are out, then definitely do it.

Quote:

These are laudable goals, but the cards could easily become de facto entry documents required for people to attend school, get a job, dine at a restaurant or patronize businesses. Employers might mandate that workers show coronavirus vaccine cards before they return to the office, and once vaccines are available for children, schools might require students to show these cards to attend. Tech companies are already scrambling to create apps that would include vaccine and coronavirus testing information, and a digital vaccine passport for travelers will soon be introduced by the International Air Transport Association, a major airline trade group.


Watch Gattica if you haven't already. If you have, watch it again.






But here's the bright light at the end of the tunnel in the 2nd to last paragraph...

Quote:

Letting people make high-stakes decisions based on vaccination status would create other risks, too: A black market in forged cards could emerge. And there would be powerful incentives for people to find ways to cheat the system to get the shot sooner. Such scenarios underscore why, for now, the health secretary ought to limit the use of vaccine cards to their intended purpose: to help remind people when their second shot is due.


I just did a google image search. I could Photoshop my own card in 5 minutes. Even easier than forging an ex-president's birth certificate from the early 60's.



They want to abuse the cards to mandate behavior, I'll just make my own, fuck you very much.



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Sunday, February 28, 2021 4:37 PM

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Your brother's friend was talking about VACCINES, if you remember! If you didn't want to talk about VACCINES you shouldn't have brought up the general topic of VACCINES.

I'm still right. There are VACCINES that are developed, approved, produced, and deployed, in less than a year.


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Sunday, February 28, 2021 4:37 PM

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And now for some important news:

The Latest: US panel endorses 3rd vaccine option from J&J

https://apnews.com/article/public-health-coronavirus-pandemic-prayuth-
chan-ocha-bangkok-china-95b1993785c4daf1349665a231077580

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