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Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:14 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, according to Mr Comey. one of the few "stories" that was NOT leaked to the press was that TRUMP WAS NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE FBI FOR COLLUSION WITH RUSSIA, DESPITE NUMEROUS CLAIMS BY THE MSM TO THE CONTRARY. I just thought that bore repeating. And now, for other Trump-Russia fake news in the MSM
Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:06 PM
6STRINGJOKER
Quote:Originally posted by second: If the president had no tapes, why did he suggest otherwise?
Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:22 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:And yet NOW, TODAY - like NOT in the past - he is under investigation for collusion and for obstruction and for money laundering.
Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:45 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND, get a grip. Hinting that there might be "tapes" against which testimony might be compared... well, that only ensures honest testimony, doesn't it? I can't think of any other POSSIBLE effect, can you?
Sunday, June 25, 2017 6:57 AM
Sunday, June 25, 2017 9:36 AM
Sunday, June 25, 2017 10:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: From a science blog entry "Higher-level causation exists" www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3294 Unlikely events seem propelled by some supernatural force. Like what events? I dunno, maybe a demagogue would take over the United States on a campaign based on willful cruelty, on digging up and burning dirty fuels just because and even if it made zero economic sense, just for the fun of sticking it to liberals, or because of the urgent need to save the US coal industry, which employs fewer people than Arby’s. Such a demagogue would have no chance of getting elected, you say? So let’s suppose he’s up against a historically unpopular opponent. Let’s suppose that even then, he still loses the popular vote, but somehow ekes out an Electoral College win. Maybe he gets crucial help in winning the election from a hostile foreign power — and for some reason, pro-American nationalists are totally OK with that, even cheer it. Even then, we’d still probably need a string of additional absurd coincidences. Like, I dunno, maybe the demagogue’s opponent has an aide who used to be married to a guy who likes sending lewd photos to minors, and investigating that guy leads the FBI to some emails that ultimately turn out to mean nothing whatsoever, but that the media hyperventilate about precisely in time to cause just enough people to vote to bring the demagogue to power. Something like that. In my view, these simply aren’t the sort of outcomes that you expect from atoms blindly interacting according to the laws of physics. These are, instead, the signatures of higher-level causation — and specifically, of a teleological force that operates in our universe. Admittedly, I don’t claim to know the exact mechanism of the higher-level causation. Maybe, as the physicist Yakir Aharonov has advocated, our universe has not only a special, low-entropy initial state at the Big Bang, but also a “postselected final state,” toward which the outcomes of quantum measurements get mysteriously “pulled” — an effect that might show up in experiments as ever-so-slight deviations from the Born rule. And because of the postselected final state, even if the human race naïvely had only (say) a one-in-thousand chance of killing itself off, even if the paths to its destruction all involved some improbable absurdity, like an orange clown showing up from nowhere — nevertheless, the orange clown would show up. Alternatively, maybe the higher-level causation unfolds through subtle correlations in the universe’s initial state, along the lines I sketched in my 2013 essay The Ghost in the Quantum Turing Machine. Or maybe Erik Hoel is right after all, and it all comes down to normalization: if we looked at the uniform distribution over macrostates rather than over microstates, we’d discover that orange clowns destroying the world predominated. Whatever the details, though, I think it can no longer be doubted that we live, not in the coldly impersonal universe that physics posited for centuries, but instead in a tragicomical one. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: One of the great ironies of the political moment is that President Trump’s enemy has become, if not exactly an ally, an enabler of his agenda. For all of Trump’s griping about “fake news,” the mainstream media’s prevailing focus on White House scandals has come at the expense of substantive policy coverage, allowing Trump and the Republican Party to advance policies without the scrutiny they deserve.
Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE BECOME DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY ....
Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:34 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Quote:Originally posted by second: One of the great ironies of the political moment is that President Trump’s enemy has become, if not exactly an ally, an enabler of his agenda. For all of Trump’s griping about “fake news,” the mainstream media’s prevailing focus on White House scandals has come at the expense of substantive policy coverage, allowing Trump and the Republican Party to advance policies without the scrutiny they deserve. I've said that at least a dozen times, in this forum alone. Is it any wonder you spend 1 paragraph acknowledging this fact among literally thousands of paragraphs of relative bullshit you've quoted from the MSM in the last six months?
Sunday, June 25, 2017 12:32 PM
Sunday, June 25, 2017 1:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Realllllly getting bored of you talking about how much money you got all the time. If you want to have a discussion that doesn't revolve around you, feel free to rephrase the question.
Sunday, June 25, 2017 1:25 PM
Sunday, June 25, 2017 5:43 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, June 25, 2017 7:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Nobody needs to and nobody is afraid of them, for one: because most of us could spot him lying like a 5 year old. For 2: Comey said, "Lordy I hope he does have tapes," because he knew it would prove Comey was right and show Trump to be a liar. THAT is why Trump had to finally admit he made it up. He boxed himself into a corner like the great deal maker that he isn't. He's a dangerous dumbfuck and he just proved it. ==============================
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:11 AM
Quote:Comey said, "Lordy I hope he does have tapes,"
Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:12 AM
Saturday, July 1, 2017 2:16 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Saturday, July 1, 2017 3:02 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Did you notis the part about the reporterz getting axed?
Saturday, July 1, 2017 5:31 PM
Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:31 PM
Monday, July 3, 2017 1:14 AM
OONJERAH
Monday, July 3, 2017 9:08 AM
Monday, July 3, 2017 9:34 AM
Monday, July 3, 2017 1:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: If you’re like me, you’re probably wondering that this means in concrete terms. Does it matter if people around the world don’t like America or don’t trust American leadership? What does it mean for America’s ability to get things done? Does this compromise our security in any way?
Monday, July 3, 2017 3:04 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: People in 37 countries were asked if they had favorable views of the United States ...
Quote:... and if they had confidence in the American president to do the right thing in world affairs.
Quote: These questions ...
Quote:... were put to people when Barack Obama was still president, and then asked again after Trump took office. blah blah blah ... To answer these questions, go to www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/3/15885540/america-donald-trump-obama-global-opinion-pew-russia-israel
Monday, July 3, 2017 4:24 PM
THGRRI
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Quote:Originally posted by second: People in 37 countries were asked if they had favorable views of the United States ... In regards to what? The people? The economy? What does this even mean? Quote:... and if they had confidence in the American president to do the right thing in world affairs. In regards to WHAT? ISIS? US interventionism all around the globe? The environment? WHAT?Quote: These questions ... WHICH questions?Quote:... were put to people when Barack Obama was still president, and then asked again after Trump took office. blah blah blah ... To answer these questions, go to www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/3/15885540/america-donald-trump-obama-global-opinion-pew-russia-israel] How the fuck can you know what the results mean if you don't know what the questions are? It's like finding out the answer is $23.18 without knowing what it refers to. IT'S MORE FAKE NEWS!
Quote:... were put to people when Barack Obama was still president, and then asked again after Trump took office. blah blah blah ... To answer these questions, go to www.vox.com/conversations/2017/7/3/15885540/america-donald-trump-obama-global-opinion-pew-russia-israel] How the fuck can you know what the results mean if you don't know what the questions are? It's like finding out the answer is $23.18 without knowing what it refers to. IT'S MORE FAKE NEWS!
Monday, July 3, 2017 5:26 PM
Tuesday, July 4, 2017 12:59 AM
Tuesday, July 4, 2017 1:52 AM
Quote:Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.- KIKI
Tuesday, July 4, 2017 8:09 AM
Thursday, July 6, 2017 7:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Wait! Wha...? Jerry Springer and Captain Kirk are "evidence"? Or, as KIKI said, on page one "Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.- KIKI"
Thursday, July 6, 2017 8:15 AM
Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:22 AM
Thursday, July 6, 2017 11:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia. No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore.
Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:07 PM
Quote:SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia. No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore. - SIGNY Translation: "Second - it's not my thread but would you be a sport and do what I tell you? Imma control freak and can't handle not directing people around."- GSTRING
Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:32 PM
Quote:SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia. No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore.- SIGNY It is not off topic. The thread is about Trump and the Evidence he committed a crime. We can start with what goes on inside Trump's mind. He has given the World plenty of evidence for decades to form a Theory of Mind -- Trump version.
Quote:Trump is unable to maintain an idea in his head for years at a time, such as the ideas that he is not suppose to cheat, lie, and defraud. It is criminal the way Trump forgets his "principles" when it is convenient for him. You went on-and-on all last year about the idea in your head and (according to you) Trump's head to bring better US/Russia relationship. Trump has forgotten that idea, like many other ideas that don't serve him personally. Today, Trump has called on Russia to stop "destabilising" Ukraine and other countries and end support for "hostile regimes" such as those in Syria and Iran. Speaking in the Polish capital Warsaw, Trump urged Russia to "join the community of responsible nations".
Quote:I'd say Trump's speech is strong evidence that he is a cheating lying crook. Stealing an election or taking bribes or cheating on his taxes fits the Trump theory of mind perfectly.
Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:40 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:SECOND< can you please start a different thread about Trump's fitness for office? This thread - originally started by JO- was to show Trump's "collusion" with Russia. No such evidence was ever revealed, and the thread has gone so far off-topic it's hard to tell what it's about anymore. - SIGNY Translation: "Second - it's not my thread but would you be a sport and do what I tell you? Imma control freak and can't handle not directing people around."- GSTRING TRANSLATION: SIGNY, I'm so butt-hurt from you handing my ass to me over and over that I'm going to misrepresent your polite request as you being a "control freak", and in doing so brilliantly demonstrate that I, myself, am a liar and a troll; which is why I never get anywhere in these thread: I just can't seem to post anything other than personal attacks. Help me!
Thursday, July 6, 2017 1:58 PM
Quote:You're being yourself, Signym.
Quote:There evidence why Trump is a world-class hazard: thanks to a program started by Bush, one that Obama did not stop, Trump has the capacity to fight and win a nuclear war by disarming enemies with a surprise first strike.- SECOND
Quote:Maybe I should make it plainer for Signym: Trump is begging Kim to ship an A-bomb up the Potomac for a 6 AM wakeup call while Trump is tweeting at the White House. Maybe Trump should move to Camp David, out of reach of Kim's ICBMs and submarines.
Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:08 PM
Quote:Instead of making things "plainer" you just went off into la-la land. I have no idea what you're saying. - Signym.
Thursday, July 6, 2017 6:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed.
Friday, July 7, 2017 7:07 AM
Friday, July 7, 2017 10:29 AM
Friday, July 7, 2017 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Not only is there "no" evidence that Russia disseminated the DNC emails, there's pretty good evidence that they DIDN'T. 1) Julian Assange said it wasn't "Russians" who gave him the email files, but someone with legitimate access. 2) The email server itself STILL has not been turned over by the DNC to either the FBI or Robert Mueller. Why is that, Nancy? 3) The attribution to "Russia" was made by Crowdstrike, and private security firm with more "connections" to Hillary Clinton than Trump has to "Russia". Crowdstrike was funded by Dmitri Apelrovitch, who was funded by ant-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk, who was also a donor to Hillary Clinton's campaign. 4) Crowdstrike was the same firm who mis-attributed the Sony picture hack to N Korea. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-06/dnc-server-most-critical-evidence-proving-russian-hacking-being-withheld-mueller-why 5) Computer security experts (besides hubby) who are apparently more politically neutral have explained (on NPR, no less!) the difficulty in attributing anything to anybody. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61747 6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's. This ongoing paranoia is incredible. A lot of people are going to feel really stupid.
Friday, July 7, 2017 10:38 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6stringJoker: Quote:Originally posted by second: Trump is doing the political equivalent of this, and has been ever since Russian involvement with the hacking of the Democratic National Committee emails came to light and Trump said instead that it could have been a fat guy lying on his bed. There is still no evidence that Russians hacked the emails.
Friday, July 7, 2017 10:45 AM
Quote:There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR
Friday, July 7, 2017 11:05 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:There's plenty of evidence Putin did it.- THUGR An entire thread has been wasted trying to dredge up "evidens" to that point. So far, batting zero. But hey! Feel free to come up with something nobody has come up with yet: solid "evidens" that Russia changed the vote outcome.
Friday, July 7, 2017 12:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by G: Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me. You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are. Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat sh!t comrade. Let's also notice that they jump on the "Russia DID NOT hack... the DNC as a way to deflect from them having to acknowledge they did hack the election, an obviously far more serious crime. Not to mention the seriously laughable idea (seriously dishonest as well) that some scifi fans of FF are going to have some *genuine evidence* sitting around to point to. That's what professional lawyers and investigators are doing - like a couple dozen of them employing even more people taking even more than a few days to conclude. But then again, it doesn't care. ==============================
Quote:Originally posted by THGRRI: Lets be clear. Four American intelligence agencies gathered the evidence. The other 13 were then appraised of the intel. That's standard procedure. After reviewing it they were willing to sign off on it. The Director of National Intelligence then did so. They collectively found Putin guilty. That's good enough for me. You being a Russian troll say there is no evidence despite this. You claim Americas' intelligence agencies findings are false. Why would anyone but a stupid, ( Jack ) give weight to your opinion? If you had any creditability here it waned years ago. Since my arrival you've been nothing more than an internet troll. Aside from climate change, there has been no honesty in your posts on any of the other topics you address. You're caught lying on a daily bases comrade. I have to believe that if you're such a mess here, you must be as much of a mess in your personal life as well. There's no way to separate your confused and false existence here from who you really are. Don't think some of us here haven't noticed the subtle shift in your deflection. Now its not that Putin didn't hack and try to influence our elections. No, now it's he didn't influence the vote count. Eat sh!t comrade.
Friday, July 7, 2017 1:11 PM
Quote:6) Recently, various insiders at CNN have been caught on tape admitting that the "Russia" story is pure bullcrap. Since CNN's coverage is much like NYT and WaPo and MSNBC's, I presume that the others' coverage is the same bullcrap as CNN's.- SIGNY That's several easily observed lies, but do go on, please smear our free press as much as possible. Jealous perhaps? Pro-Russia, Anti-America much? - G
Quote:Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll? First, please define "free press". Second, please define "free speech". Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY Per the norm, you were lying
Quote:and I called you out.
Quote:Sorry you're so thin skinned (just like your idol!).- G
Quote:If you are going to post in RWED you should maybe toughen up a bit or stop whining so much? This place use to be REALLY HARSH - I don't think you could have survived if my pointing our your "alternative facts" bother you so much.- G
Quote:could be bullshit"
Quote:good enough evidence to show that the president committed a crime
Quote:"for ratings! ... Because it's ratings. Our ratings are incredible right now. My boss, I shouldn't say this, my boss yesterday we were having a discussion about this dental shoot and he was like I just want you to know what we're up against here. Just to give you some context, President Trump pulled out of the climate accords. For a day and a half we covered the climate accords. And the CEO of CNN [Jeff Zucker] said in our internal meeting, he said good job everybody covering the climate accords, but we're done with it. Let's get back to Russia.
Quote: But all the nice cutesy little ethics that used to get talked about in journalism school, you're just like, that's adorable. That's adorable. This is a business.
Quote:"a big nothing burger"
Quote:Per the norm, GSTRING, when you have nothing on topic to say, you resort to personal attack. Inaccurate personal attack, at that. Tell me, son, how does it feel to be a reflexive troll? First, please define "free press". Second, please define "free speech". Your lack of response will be demonstration that - as usual- you don't know what you're talking about. Literally. You use words that you can't explain, even to yourself.- SIGNY Per the norm, you were lying- G
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