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Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:39 PM

THGRRI


The conservative mind has become diseased

By Michael Gerson Opinion writer

May 25 at 7:32 PM ?


To many observers on the left, the initial embrace of Seth Rich conspiracy theories by conservative media figures was merely a confirmation of the right’s deformed soul. But for those of us who remember that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity were once relatively mainstream Reaganites, their extended vacation in the fever swamps is even more disturbing. If once you knew better, the indictment is deeper.

The cruel exploitation of the memory of Rich, a Democratic National Committee staffer who was shot dead last summer, was horrifying and clarifying. The Hannity right, without evidence, accused Rich rather than the Russians of leaking damaging DNC emails. In doing so, it has proved its willingness to credit anything — no matter how obviously deceptive or toxic — to defend President Trump and harm his opponents. Even if it means becoming a megaphone for Russian influence.

The basic, human questions are simple. How could conservative media figures not have felt — felt in their hearts and bones — the God-awful ickiness of it? How did the genes of generosity and simple humanity get turned off? Is this insensibility the risk of prolonged exposure to our radioactive political culture? If so, all of us should stand back a moment and tend to the health of our revulsion

But this failure of decency is also politically symbolic. Who is the politician who legitimized conspiracy thinking at the highest level? Who raised the possibility that Ted Cruz’s father might have been involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy? Who hinted that Hillary Clinton might have been involved in the death of Vince Foster, or that unnamed liberals might have killed Justice Antonin Scalia? Who not only questioned President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, but raised the prospect of the murder of a Hawaiian state official in a coverup? “How amazing,” Trump tweeted in 2013, “the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ died in plane crash today. All others lived.”

We have a president charged with maintaining public health who asserts that the vaccination schedule is a dangerous scam of greedy doctors. We have a president charged with representing all Americans who has falsely accused thousands of Muslims of celebrating in the streets following the 9/11 attacks.

In this mental environment, alleging a Rich-related conspiracy was predictable. This is a concrete example of the mainstreaming of destructive craziness.

Those conservatives who believe that the confirmation of Justice Neil M. Gorsuch is sufficient justification for the Trump presidency are ignoring Trump’s psychic and moral destruction of the conservative movement and the Republican Party. Clinton, with a small number of changed votes, would have defeated Republicans. But Trump is doing a kind of harm beyond anything Clinton could have done. He is changing the party’s most basic moral and political orientations. He is shaping conservatism in his image and ensuring an eventual defeat more complete, and an eventual exile more prolonged, than Democrats could have dreamed.


The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased. The movement has been seized by a kind of discrediting madness, in which conspiracy delusions figure prominently. Institutions and individuals that once served an important ideological role, providing a balance to media bias, are discrediting themselves in crucial ways. With the blessings of a president, they have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion. They have allowed political polarization to reach their hearts, and harden them. They have allowed polarization to dominate their minds, and empty them.

Conspiracy theories often involve a kind of dehumanization. Human tragedy is made secondary — something to be exploited rather than mourned. The narrative of conspiracy takes precedence over the meaning of a life and the suffering of a family. A human being is made into an ideological prop and used on someone else’s stage. As the Rich family has attested, the pain inflicted is quite real.

A conspiratorial approach to politics is fully consistent with other forms of dehumanization — of migrants, refugees and “the other” more generally. Men and women are reduced to types and presented as threats. They also become props in an ideological drama. They are presented as representatives of a plot involving invasion and infiltration, rather than being viewed as individuals seeking opportunity or fleeing oppression and violence. This also involves callousness, cruelty and conspiracy thinking.

In Trump’s political world, this project of dehumanization is far along. The future of conservatism now depends on its capacity for revulsion. And it is not at all clear whether this capacity still exists.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-conservative-mind-has-beco
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Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:45 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Jo, I'm still waiting for evidence.

Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Reread the openning post.

Well, JO, you have many problems, one of which is you dismiss normal word meanings that normal people understand. So, rather than use YOUR extremely peculiar non-definition of 'evidence'
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Most peepl confuze it with 'proof' - sumthing that leadz directly to an undeniabl conclusion.
I decided to use the normal understanding normal people have
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ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence

1.
the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"


I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Thursday, May 25, 2017 11:50 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased



lol...


I'm sure, based on that title alone, that there is a WEALTH of great information in that article.

It's no wonder you are oblivious to how condescending and judgemental you are T when you read articles like that all day.



One wonders, what is the point of writing an article with a title like that? Obviously the only people who would ever read it are people who are already squarely in that "camp".

Seems to me like Mr Gerson was just masturbating in public when he put that out there, and anybody who is reading it and posting the link to it just joined in his circle jerk.

Have fun boys.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 4:14 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased



Good article.

I hope the parents sue Hannity. I think he'z Fox'z last prime time ratingz winner, so if they dump him, the hole dam station will crash.

They hav dun real damaj to the country.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 11:48 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The conservative mind has become diseased



lol...


I'm sure, based on that title alone, that there is a WEALTH of great information in that article.

It's no wonder you are oblivious to how condescending and judgemental you are T when you read articles like that all day.



One wonders, what is the point of writing an article with a title like that? Obviously the only people who would ever read it are people who are already squarely in that "camp".

Seems to me like Mr Gerson was just masturbating in public when he put that out there, and anybody who is reading it and posting the link to it just joined in his circle jerk.

Have fun boys.



In the process of setting electoral districts, gerrymandering is a practice intended to establish a political advantage for a particular party or group by manipulating district boundaries. The resulting district is known as a gerrymander; however, that word can also refer to the process. The term gerrymandering has negative connotations. Two principal tactics are used in gerrymandering: "cracking" (i.e. diluting the voting power of the opposing party's supporters across many districts) and "packing" (concentrating the opposing party's voting power in one district to reduce their voting power in other districts).

When this is done successfully, the hardliners, religious zealots, people who are fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals have all the influence. This is because those who believe otherwise are no longer within these voting districts. They have been carved out of the district. It leaves those holding office hostage to their wishes. To pursue a different course of action against their wishes is political suicide.

The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack. It will be the doom of the Republican party. They only remain afloat because of the anger permeating throughout the countryside. Remember, there were 16 of the top Republican leaders running for president. All were rejected before they got started.






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Friday, May 26, 2017 12:17 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack.



It's not that I didn't understand it. I didn't read it. My point was that the only people who would read an article with that title are people who will already agree 100% to everything inside of it.

So the question is, what's the point of writing it?

The answer is self-gratification and patting of his back by those who join in the circle jerk.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 12:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I only have time for this
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A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit ... that he iz not interested in helping America.- JO


GOOD HEAVENS! OF COURSE he's not interested in helping America! Why would he be? He's (presumably) interested in furthering Russia's interests: That's his job; that's what he's supposed to be doing!

Not only is he NOT interested in helping America, Russia's (or his) interests can conflict with ours.

But you'll notice I said OUR interests. America's interests. Not our interests for Syria, or Iraq, or Russia, or Cuba or Malawi. Not abstract concepts like "democracy", or "freedom" or "human rights" elsewhere. Not some vague desire to "win".

OUR interests.

That's why its so important to figure out what OUR interests are: So we can defend them and not get distracted into spending money and lives doing things that are (at best) for some other nation's benefit and (at worst) counterproductive to our own.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Friday, May 26, 2017 3:54 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
The fact that you don't understand this in of no surprise to me Jack.



It's not that I didn't understand it. I didn't read it. My point was that the only people who would read an article with that title are people who will already agree 100% to everything inside of it.

So the question is, what's the point of writing it?

The answer is self-gratification and patting of his back by those who join in the circle jerk.



We know you didn't read it. Why, because we can tell you don't read by what you post. I've stated that many times here about you. Now, I'm not going to dispute you in this post. I'll let a republican do it. A republican who is a conservative but not a nut. Pay attention Jack, he's speaking to you.








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Friday, May 26, 2017 4:21 PM

6STRINGJOKER


The Joe Scarborough show... known most recently for telling us that it was their job to tell us what to think.

I'll pass.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 4:33 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
The Joe Scarborough show... known most recently for telling us that it was their job to tell us what to think.

I'll pass.







Yep, no surprise there. That's OK though. Your ignorance doesn't change the facts. It never has.

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Friday, May 26, 2017 5:08 PM

THGRRI


John Boehner Says Trump’s Presidency Has Been Mostly A ‘Disaster’

Former House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) isn’t impressed with President Donald Trump.
Speaking at an energy conference in Houston on Wednesday, Boehner did praise Trump on foreign affairs and said he had stepped up the fight against the Islamic State militant group. But he generally gave a grim assessment of the president’s first few months in office, according to energy publication Rigzone. 

“Everything else he’s done [in office] has been a complete disaster,” Boehner said. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-boehner-donald-trump_us_59284
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Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The conservative mind has become diseased
By Michael Gerson Opinion writer

This is just a way of discrediting anything a Trump supporter might say by calling them "crazy", and then pretending to be nice by "worrying" about them.

Nothing quite so hypocritical as a liberal "worrying" about the future of the conservative movement!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:36 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is just a way of discrediting anything a Trump supporter might say by calling them "crazy", and then pretending to be nice by "worrying" about them.



It's called Virtue Signalling. T is very good at it. Most of the SJW crowd is. If you saw any of the crap he was posting the last few days to me, that's exactly what he was doing.

It stems from the Democratic platform of wrapping their campaigning with virtuous slogans like "Hope" and "Change" when that doesn't actually mean anything.

So if you were against Obama, you were against Hope. I think most of us agree that after 8 years of Bush it was definitely time for a change, but if you were against Obama you were also against Change.



So that's what the article was about, huh Sigs.

I think Mr Gerson deserves an award.


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:21 AM

JO753

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Just curious - how much duz Putin pay?

Iz it salary, or per word, or wut?



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Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Okay, JO, I have time to get back to this:

Quote:

I admit I wuz fooled by Bush. I didnt pay much attention to politics back then, but even tho I knew he wuz a dimwit, I wuz behind him about going into Afganistan.

About Iraq, not so much, but figured it woud be over in a few weeks, just like Dezert Storm. And I still think its not a bad thing to topple evil dictatorz. Its the follow up that we alwayz get rong!

The BIG lesson that I expected everybody to lern from the Bush yirz iz that we cant hav an idiot in the Oval Offis.

Even if he wuznt an actual clinical idiot, he wuz not smart enuf for the job, wich iz effectively the same az being an idiot.

I've been paying attention to politics since Vietnam.

One thing which has happened over and over is that politicians lie about war. I don't mean that politicians evade or shade facts, I mean that they tell big, fat, juicy, deliberate whoppers. The "attack" in the Gulf on Tonkin that justified Johnsons's escalation of Vietnam ... never happened. Noriega (Panama) wasn't a major drug runner. While Carter was desperately trying to rescue the hostages in Iran, Reagan was making arms deals with the ayatollahs. (If you want to talk about REAL collusion with the enemy during an election, there's an example!) Afghanistan had nothing to do with 9-11. Iraq slant-drilling into Kuwait wasn't the reason for the Gulf War I. 9-11 wasn't the reason for invading Afghanistan, WMD wasn't the reason for Gulf War II, and Gadaffi wasn't "massacring his own people".

It didn't matter that Johnson was a smart man, he made the "mistake" of escalating Vietnam. It didn't matter that Reagan was an intellectual midget, or that Bush I was smart, or that Bush II was drug-burned. Obama was smarter than Bush II, but he made the same "mistakes" in Libya and Syria that Bush made in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem isn't lack of IQ, JO.

We'll only know what the REAL problem is if we know the REAL reasons for war. Whatever the reason is, it's not stupidity. Don't ever think that the people who are running the show are stupid.

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Obviously that lesson haz not been lerned by enuf uv us. Trump iz an outrite idiot, straddling the border uv insanity. The perfect puppet for an evil genius.
Trump is not the problem. Who is behind ours wars, JO?

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A segjestion for you: If you dont want us to think you are a Putin operativ, at least admit hiz crimez and that he iz not interested in helping America. -JO
I think I answered the second part (OF COURSE he isn't interested in helping us!). As far as Putin's "crimes" I only know of one: the taking of Crimea. But still, the people there seem pretty happy about it. Other than that, what?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:43 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Just curious - how much duz Putin pay?

Iz it salary, or per word, or wut?



I just phoned him earlier J0. He's holding my Russian bride on layaway.

What do you think? Ain't she a beauty?


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:46 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:48 AM

JO753

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OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!

The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free. Here'z Lawrence O'donald to tell you about it:



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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:16 AM

THGRRI


Stay tuned for more of Jacks insights, a troll update defending Trump, followed by some here calling this a witch hunt while blaming Hillary for whatever.






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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:24 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yep, AFTER THE ELECTION, Kushner tried to establish a confidential communications channel with a foreign power LIKE MOST PRESIDENTS DO.

JO, THUGR, try to stop hyperventilating for a bit, okay?

The Trump transition team was preparing to do exactly what it said it was going to do: Try to find common ground with Russia, and fight ISIS. Personally, I'm all for it. I don't see any reason to (1) destroy nations willy- nilly, (2) antagonize Russia for no reason, and (3) use ISIS as our proxy in the Middle East. The headlines may as well have read TRUMP TRANSITION TEAM PREPARES TO IMPLEMENT PLATFORM PLANK. I happen to be all for it because I think it's good for America.

Just because you don't LIKE that policy doesn't make it "treason". You have to show ....as you have not yet done ... how that might be bad for America. Also, show that it was deliberately against our interests. Will you ever get to "step two"? 'Cause you've been stuck at "step one" for four months now.

Now, I can show you top security people and Presidents who HAVE broken the Constitution and lied about it and have made ruinous decisions. Some of those people ... well, let's just say that they're still lying today. When are you going to start noticing THAT as treason?


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:37 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


By the way, JO .... like KIKI, I'm still waiting for "evidens".

Because, yanno, I'll stack up my evidence against yours any day.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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GSTRING, Oh Wise One, I have a question for YOU that I doubt that you'll answer: You're unhappy with our politicians. Clearly, you must have a better plan in mind! So, what should our politicians DO, vis-a-vis Russia? Bomb Russia in Syria? Just go straight to bombing Russia itself? - GSTRING


Dripping with condescension as always... thanks you!= GSTRING

You're welcome!

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My Plan: We should start killing as many innocent people as possible... using my new invention: Baby Bombs.

Seriously though...

My "plan?" I guess I'm not as naive as you to think that any of us having a "plan" means anything. Other than maybe to show off your plan to show how smart you think you are. It's just another kind of religion: the Practicing Elitist, imho. "Look at my great car, look at my cool house, my designer dog, and here's my plan to save the world - aren't I just the greatest?"
So, sorry hon, plans mean very little if not zip from people like us. I do have hopes though. I hope the smarter, better part of our country wins out over the shitty, selfish people. You want a real revelation?!? I want the same thing for the Russian people. Putin, Trump - guess what camp I put them in?= GSTRING

OK, so no plan. Got it

I noticed that about you, GSTRING- you'll attack from the side, but never say what you're FOR. That way you an disavow anything with .... I never said that.

Your answer was worthy of condescension!



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:57 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep, AFTER THE ELECTION, Kushner tried to establish a confidential communications channel with a foreign power LIKE MOST PRESIDENTS DO.

JO, THUGR, try to stop hyperventilating for a bit, okay?

The Trump transition team was preparing to do exactly what it said it was going to do: Try to find common ground with Russia, and fight ISIS. Personally, I'm all for it. I don't see any reason to (1) destroy nations willy- nilly, (2) antagonize Russia for no reason, and (3) use ISIS as our proxy in the Middle East. I happen to be all for it because I think it's good for America.

Just because you don't LIKE that policy doesn't make it "treason". You have to show ....as you have not yet done ... that not only was this against America's interests (define our interests) but that it was deliberate. You've been stuck at "step one" for three or four months now.

Now, I can show you top security people and Presidents who HAVE broken the Constitution and lied about it and have made ruinous decisions. Some of those people ... well, let's just say that they're still lying today. When are you going to start noticing THAT as treason?










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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:07 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.





Good to know that YOU think treason is funny!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:13 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Well, since THUGR just excluded himself from reasonable conversation ... wait, what am I saying? He did that a long time ago!

I guess this is for YOU, JO:

To give you an idea of what I mean, the man who talked about people being lured into treason unknowingly ... Brennan .... was the same guy who HIMSELF committed treason by accessing the Senate Intelligence Committee computers - the CIA acting as a spy agency within the borders of the USA (itself against the law) not to investigate a crime (which would belong with the FBI) but to interfere with our political process on CIA oversight. And lied about it.

Was the same guy who lied about the CIA not having a torture program.

“As far as the allegations of the CIA hacking into Senate computers, nothing could be further from the truth… We wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the, you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we do.”


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:13 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Good to know that YOU think treason is funny!




Really SIG, you're going with that? Don't you think maybe that's like the pot calling the kettle black? There are years worth of posts here of you defending Russia and me calling you on it. So really comrade, you're going with that?






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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:21 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tell me, THUGR, what did YOU think of the invasion of Iraq? And did all of that collective hysteria turn out to be GOOD for America?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer either question.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 10:59 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Tell me, THUGR, what did YOU think of the invasion of Iraq? And did all of that collective hysteria turn out to be GOOD for America?

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you won't answer either question.




No no comrade. That's subjective, deflective and off topic. Trumps son in law tried to work with the Russians to open a direct line of communication with the Kremlin. Within SIG, within the Russian Embassy. One that bypasses American intelligence and the American people. He was going to visit the Embassy whenever he need to speak directly with Putin. And, on his disclosure form to gain his clearances to see our intelligence reports he lie about it. If True, that's treason. It's all coming down on your head here comrade. You won't be able to show your face without people jumping all over you troll.






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Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:38 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

No no comrade. That's subjective, deflective and off topic. Trumps son in law tried to work with the Russians to open a direct line of communication with the Kremlin. Within SIG, within the Russian Embassy.
OMG!!! COMMUNICATION WITH RUSSIA!

OH, THE HORROR!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:47 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!



A month ago I wouldn't have gotten that. I saw some Yakov standup on YouTube one day recently in the backround while just letting YT run while I was doing some work. Pretty funny stuff but I could see why he didn't last very long since most of his platform was based around one joke.

So somebody please explain Jeff Foxworthy to me!!!!! How is he the richest comedian that ever was???? Why do people even find him funny???????

Quote:

The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free.



Commercial free! That must mean it's really important, like the season premier of Alias was.

Quote:

The premiere episode aired uninterrupted commercial-free for 69 minutes. There were only commercials before and after the show for Nokia. In syndication, this episode is sometimes cut down to fit into a normal 60-minute timeslot with commercials.


Say what you will about Trump, but he has been extremely kind to MSNBC in terms of ratings.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/msnbc-fox-news-ratings-cable-news-cnn-
1202440320
/

Quote:

For the first time in its history, MSNBC ranked number one in both total viewers and the key adults 25-54 demographic during primetime for a full week among the big three cable news networks, according to Nielsen data.

For the week of May 15, MSNBC averaged 2.44 million viewers with 611,000 in the key demo from 8 p.m.-11 p.m., beating out CNN and Fox News in both measures.



Before anybody celebrates, keep in mind that if Firefly had twice those numbers that it would have been canceled after one se.... oh..... yeah.... :(

Quote:

Firefly premiered in the U.S. on the Fox network on September 20, 2002. By mid-December, Firefly had averaged 4.7 million viewers per episode and was 98th in Nielsen ratings. It was canceled after eleven of the fourteen produced episodes were aired.



4.7 million viewers and it was 98th in Nielson ratings....

That means that even though anybody on any side watching the news and hanging out with like minded people watching the news might feel like everybody else is in on it, when the truth is that most people just really don't care. MSNBC gets number 1 of the big MSM outlets for the first time in history and it doesn't even come close to the top 100 watched shows for the week.

100 shows? How much of that is "reality" TV? Trump should have stayed in TV if he wanted to keep the ratings.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:42 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

For instance: I just said, in that post, that one you just responded to, what I was for.- G
Yup, ice cream and rainbows coming out of unicorn's asses. How did you say that again? Oh, yes ...
Quote:

I do have hopes though. I hope the smarter, better part of our country wins out over the shitty, selfish people.
Yeah, me too.



Quote:

Go ahead, dazzle with your PLAN for World peace! Let us be amazed at you great big ideas that will work beautifully in a forum but get crushed under the immense weight of The Real World. G'head! Make us LAUGH!- GSTRING
No, that would be JO's platform. You see, he has worldwide ambitions: global population control, global greenhouse gas reductions, global end to poverty.

Me? I don't think the USA can guarantee world peace. Hell, it can't even guarantee whirled peas. What we CAN do is promise to stop bombing people in the guise of "helping" them, get our own nation in order, and provide practical open-handed assistance (not just "foreign aid" that recycles right back into our corporations or military) to those who ask.

So yeah. Your plan, again? I have one, and it doesn't even involve world domination. What about you?


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:42 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Why would I bother reading a bunch of partisan bullshit from either side, is the question I want to know the answer to.

I can think for myself just fine.

What I have noticed is that people like me, yanno... those with the ability to form their own opinions without being told what to think by the MSM... we're finding ourselves on an entirely different side of the political spectrum over the years because everything has shifted based off of what the MSM has told us to believe.

I came to this forum 12 years ago and was one of the largest detractors of GWB and Conservatives on this board.

What changed?

The MSM brainwashing is what. From both sides.

Anybody claiming that I'm illiterate and/or stupid automatically loses the argument. Especially when it comes to modern MSM click bait.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:

ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"

I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

HAHAHAHA!

How is that faint hope working out for you 2, in regards to this thread?

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
OK, Yakov, I can see how the pay mite be worth the work & risk!

A month ago I wouldn't have gotten that. I saw some Yakov standup on YouTube one day recently in the backround while just letting YT run while I was doing some work. Pretty funny stuff but I could see why he didn't last very long since most of his platform was based around one joke.

So somebody please explain Jeff Foxworthy to me!!!!! How is he the richest comedian that ever was???? Why do people even find him funny???????
Quote:

The latest bit uv evidens haz MSNBC running commercial free.
Commercial free! That must mean it's really important, like the season premier of Alias was.
Quote:

The premiere episode aired uninterrupted commercial-free for 69 minutes. There were only commercials before and after the show for Nokia. In syndication, this episode is sometimes cut down to fit into a normal 60-minute timeslot with commercials.
Say what you will about Trump, but he has been extremely kind to MSNBC in terms of ratings.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/msnbc-fox-news-ratings-cable-news-cnn-
1202440320
/
Quote:

For the first time in its history, MSNBC ranked number one in both total viewers and the key adults 25-54 demographic during primetime for a full week among the big three cable news networks, according to Nielsen data.

For the week of May 15, MSNBC averaged 2.44 million viewers with 611,000 in the key demo from 8 p.m.-11 p.m., beating out CNN and Fox News in both measures.

Before anybody celebrates, keep in mind that if Firefly had twice those numbers that it would have been canceled after one se.... oh..... yeah.... :(
Quote:

Firefly premiered in the U.S. on the Fox network on September 20, 2002. By mid-December, Firefly had averaged 4.7 million viewers per episode and was 98th in Nielsen ratings. It was canceled after eleven of the fourteen produced episodes were aired.
4.7 million viewers and it was 98th in Nielson ratings....

That means that even though anybody on any side watching the news and hanging out with like minded people watching the news might feel like everybody else is in on it, when the truth is that most people just really don't care. MSNBC gets number 1 of the big MSM outlets for the first time in history and it doesn't even come close to the top 100 watched shows for the week.

100 shows? How much of that is "reality" TV? Trump should have stayed in TV if he wanted to keep the ratings.

O'Reilly used to have 2.8 million viewers, but the Extreme Libtard Brothers Lochlan and James Murdoch are working feverishly to destroy and dismantle FOX News, so where can thinking people go to instead?

Yes, I understand you are trying to make a point about the lack of impact, however you are discounting the fact that those other 100 shows are drive-by fluff - they are not for thinking people. The thinking people are now searching for News worth watching.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:21 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Why would I bother reading a bunch of partisan bullshit from either side, is the question I want to know the answer to.



Geezus - you can't understand anything if you don't have any actual fucking knowledge. Unbelievable. You have no clue about actually studying and understanding something do you? Everything is like a pop song to you, "I like it, I don't like it." This isn't Dancing with the Stars df.

==============================



Then stop acting like it is Dancing With The Stars, G.

Maybe somebody would have taken you seriously about your opinions on Trump if you weren't whining about it being the end of the world from day one.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:23 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
O'Reilly used to have 2.8 million viewers, but the Extreme Libtard Brothers Lochlan and James Murdoch are working feverishly to destroy and dismantle FOX News, so where can thinking people go to instead?

Yes, I understand you are trying to make a point about the lack of impact, however you are discounting the fact that those other 100 shows are drive-by fluff - they are not for thinking people. The thinking people are now searching for News worth watching.



Though I don't necessarily agree that "thinking people" watched O'Reilly regularly anymore than I believe that "thinking people" watch Rachel Maddow, I see what your point is.

Let me know if you ever find something worth watching on either side, because I don't see anything.



There is actually quite a bit more than 100 shows weekly that people watch on average than any of the news outlets. The recent numbers for MSNBC finally becoming the top network for one week were just barely half of what Firefly was getting on a weekly basis, and that was a failed show at 98th place in the Neilson rankings.

There's still a gap of well over 2 million viewers between Firefly and the top performing news outlet, which would mean that there were quite a bit more than 100 shows that were watched by more people any given week than the news.

The fact that most of that is drive-by fluff just solidifies my point. Most people aren't "thinking people" or at least they tune out of politics in general.

Just something for everybody to keep in mind. Most people you know aren't paying any attention at all.


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Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
ev·i·dence
'ev?d?ns/
noun
noun: evidence
1.the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"
I don't think anonymous gossip can be used to indicate whether anything at all is valid. I sure hope you don't either.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
HAHAHAHA!

Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
How is that faint hope working out for you 2, in regards to this thread?

This thread was supposed to be about all that evidence of ... something. I'm waiting too see it.

But I'm curious what people think that Trump has actually DONE. It looks like some of his surrogates tried to open up lines of communication with Putin. I can see how that would be helpful to avoid all out war with Russia. For example: "Vlad, I'm pretty sure they didn't do it but everyone here's howling about how Syria supposedly chemically attacked a small, non-strategic village. I have to do SOMEthing to get people off my back, politically speaking. How about I bomb a Syrian airfield? Can we not escalate from that?" Talking to the Russians, especially Putin, could be a real world-saver. And hell, even Reagan privately talked with Gorbachev. (And from thence came the START missile treaty. http://www.nytimes.com/1987/12/09/politics/09REAG.html?pagewanted=all&
amp;mcubz=1
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_07-08/Reagan)

It's not treason for Trump to talk with Putin. Or even illegal.

So - what has Trump DONE that people are so upset about?




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:09 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
It's not treason for Trump to talk with Putin. Or even illegal.



If you arent going to watch any real newz even wen we link to it here, its going to take a lot uv typing to spell it all out for you.

Sig & 6 both posted the same uninformed comment, so I'll ansr:

1.There are alredy established communication channelz.

2. Kushner & Flynn were trying to set up a secret communication channel uzing the Kremlin'z secure system. The only reazon to do that woud be to hide it from our intel ajensyz. The only reazon to do that iz kuz they hav private dealz going on with the Russianz.

3. Jared didnt also try to establish secret communication channelz with any other country.

4. This iz so wakky that even Kislyak wuz suprized.

Sins Flynn wuz in on the meeting in Trump Tower, it cant be dismissed az merely Jared being naive and stoopid. That only leavez DESPERATE, further evidensed by the date - early Desember.

It only gets worse the more you know. There iz no innosent 'O! Thats why!' fact in this little story.

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Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:35 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

1.There are alredy established communication channelz.
link please
Quote:

2. Kushner & Flynn were trying to set up a secret communication channel uzing the Kremlin'z secure system.
link please
Quote:

3. Jared didnt also try to establish secret communication channelz with any other country.
link please; also, explain in detail how that's a problem
Quote:

4. This iz so wakky that even Kislyak wuz suprized.
link please; also, explain in detail how that's a problem
Quote:

That only leavez DESPERATE
so you say




Jo - IT'S NOT TREASONOUS, OR EVEN ILLEGAL, FOR TRUMP TO TALK WITH PUTIN, OR TRY TO TALK WITH PUTIN.

I keep waiting for the big reveal - what did Trump DO that was so bad?

But not only have you failed to provide any evidence, you can't even point to a genuine issue.





Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I repeat my previous reaction: The headlines may as well have said

TRUMP BEGINS TO IMPLEMENT PLATFORM PLANK


There was nothing "secret" about his desire to find areas of overlapping concern (i.e. ISIS) and to work with Russia on dealing with them.

Here's an example: We have a common problem with ISIS (supported by Qatar) and al Qaida, which is funded, armed, and supplied by Saudi Arabia. Despite our increased internal oil production, we still depend on imports for about 38% of our oil, and Saudi Arabia is our second-largest supplier, and pillar of the petrodollar system. Because any interruption in oil supply and dollar flow would be a crippling blow, Saudi Arabia has our Mideast policies by the short hairs.

So, what if we could develop a competing supplier of oil? You know, someone like ... Russia? There is little love lost between Saudi Arabia and Russia, and if we could get the two nations to compete against each other that would put us in a stronger position. I don't see the downside to THAT, do you?



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, May 28, 2017 1:19 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Risking T and G adding me to the list of Communists in here, that seems reasonable to me Signy.






To J0....

I won't bother even asking for links to anything you say in here because nobody ever actually has any proof of any of these allegations. The best they could do for months now themselves is cite "anonymous sources" or "one official said".

There is no accountability for the Press anymore. It's all about ratings. And it's working! MSNBC was top dog for the first time in history. Trump becoming president was the best thing that ever happened to MSNBC.



Anything Team Trump has been accused of doing is provable because you can't hide your tracks on the internet. It's one of the main reasons I wouldn't even look in to purchasing a VPN. They advertise them as secure and anonymous, but there is no such thing online. If the government wants to know what you're up to, they know what you're up to.

My belief is that people who are stupid and/or paranoid enough to actually pay a monthly fee for a VPN are only putting themselves on a Government watch list that they wouldn't have been on had they not linked their credit card to it. A kind of Orwellian "if you're not doing anything wrong, than what are you trying to hide" mindset.


I've said on these boards at least three times that I want to see Trump impeached so we can get to the bottom of this. I'm a big boy and can admit when I'm wrong. I don't think I am, but I'm sure as shit getting sick of having this same conversation every single day.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:07 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:37 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuze to look at the evidens and then say I'm not providing any, this thred turnz to pure churn.



It's not my job to look at evidence. I'm not prosecuting or defending the case. I'm just getting tired of hearing the same old nothing each and every day for going on half a year now.

Impeach him. Prove his innocence or guilt. Move on as a country.

Don't expect me to play the MSM game for the next 4 to 8 years though.

And don't be surprised when everybody loses interest either.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:38 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Common sense train wreck.



Yep. That pretty much sums you up in 4 words.

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:47 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Translation: "It's not my job to understand!"



Sure. I don't understand why they haven't been able to bring one actual legitimate claim against Trump in 6 months. It's not my job to worry about it.

Quote:

"I'm just getting tired of hearing the same old nothing each and every day for going on half a year now." = Jack
Then stop watching - no one is forcing you.



I don't watch any news. I get to hear crybaby college kids and people like you bring this up everyday.

Quote:

"Impeach him. Prove his innocence or guilt. Move on as a country." - Jack
Awww, are we inconveniencing you Jack? It sucks that this isn't instant isn't it? Someone flip a coin already!



What more do you want from me? I've already said that I can admit it if I'm wrong and I'm perfectly fine with an impeachment. Ball is in your court libs. Stop whining and get to work.

Quote:

I won't be surprised when people like you loose interest. Thank god there's enough other people that will continue to try and find what the eff is happening.==============================



LOL... and what exactly are you personally doing to find out what the eff is happening G? Watching Maddow every night?

Thanks for doing your part. [/sarcasm]

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Sunday, May 28, 2017 6:49 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
I'm dun.

If you 3 are going to refuse to look at the evidence and then say I'm not providing any, this thread turns to pure churn.

Your so-called 'evidence' is still anonymous gossip, Jo, no matter how many times you try to redefine the word 'evidence'.

MEANWHILE, I've been asking over several different threads - what has Trump DONE that's illegal?

Can you answer that?




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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Monday, May 29, 2017 12:11 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JO, I'm with KIKI on this.

There's a reason why there are different words ... like "hearsay", "allegation", and "evidence", and that's because they really are different things.

Second-hand, third-hand statements (or statements even further removed from the source) don't count as "evidence". In a courtroom, they would be called "hearsay" and not even brought up.

Evidence includes sworn testimony to eyewitness events (i.e. "I saw it myself"), permanent or unaltered records (telephone records, travel receipts, audio recordings etc.) or physical items.

You speculating on "what people said" in the media, who are themselves speculating on what someone else in the media said, who themselves may be referring to what someone else wrote, which may or may not be an accurate representation of what an anonymous source said, which might or might not be a lie ... well, it's the equivalent of a bum in the alley with a hot stock tip. It might even be true! But unless it could be verified in some way it would NEVER be called evidence.

I agree that one can can glean meaningful information from the media, but at this point I wouldn't call it "evidence". (If you want to know what I WOULD call "evidence", see above: sworn testimony etc) The information that I get from "the media" is that they are conducting a smear campaign and hellbent on bringing Trump down, in collusion with some in the security state. And there are a lot of gullible people around who can be fooled by a relentless media campaign, such as preceded the destruction of Iraq, because they ASSUME that the media is interested in telling them "the truth", instead of some sort of useful narrative. (At this point, you should be asking - "useful to whom?")

-----------

"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, May 29, 2017 7:49 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Did sumwun snag your eyeballz with fishing hooks & linez and they forse you to look at this every few owrz?

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Monday, May 29, 2017 8:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Did sumwun snag your eyeballz with fishing hooks & linez and they forse you to look at this every few owrz?

Who are you posting to?

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, May 29, 2017 9:23 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


What ARE you talking about?




Originally posted by G:
"I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago."
G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.

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