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Saturday, November 25, 2017 2:11 PM

THGRRI


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Siggy posted a pik uv Louie Gomert's chart in her Evidence II distraction thred. Here'z Steve Colbert to explain how stupid it iz:






It's just to funny JO, great post. Kiki says Sessions has agreed to asign a special counsel to investigate all this. I'm still waiting for her to tell us who that is.

Personally, I heard Sessions respond when asked why there isn't one,
that there isn't any evidence to warrant one. As for Trump, tick tock.


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Saturday, November 25, 2017 4:04 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Btw comrade troll, where's the quote and link? Can you only pretend to have an argument by making things up out of thin air?
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It's just to funny JO, great post. Kiki says Sessions has agreed to asign a special counsel to investigate all this.

Actually, I noted that he DISCUSSED THE TOPIC OF APPOINTING A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, when he said he was not at liberty to DISCUSS THE TOPIC.

And you agree. He DISCUSSED THE TOPIC OF APPOINTING A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, when he said he was not at liberty to DISCUSS THE TOPIC.
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Personally, I heard Sessions respond when asked why there isn't one, that there isn't any evidence to warrant one.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Saturday, November 25, 2017 8:56 PM

THGRRI


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Btw comrade troll, where's the quote and link? Can you only pretend to have an argument by making things up out of thin air?
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's just to funny JO, great post. Kiki says Sessions has agreed to asign a special counsel to investigate all this.

Actually, I noted that he DISCUSSED THE TOPIC OF APPOINTING A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, when he said he was not at liberty to DISCUSS THE TOPIC.

And you agree. He DISCUSSED THE TOPIC OF APPOINTING A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, when he said he was not at liberty to DISCUSS THE TOPIC.
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Personally, I heard Sessions respond when asked why there isn't one, that there isn't any evidence to warrant one.




You may be right. It would be stupid to suggest from the tapes that he spoke about ongoing investigations. I may have misunderstood because apparently that's what you said he did. In the case of the Mueller or any ongoing investigation, he would not discuss specifics, but everyone already knows this is going on. So again, it would be pretty stupid to suggest Sessions discussed different investigations, or anything about what was going on within those investigations.

What he did discuss was what it would take to initiate an investigation. He said evidence of wrong doing, and he was in no way timid about implying the calls for investigations into Clinton lacked any.



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Monday, December 11, 2017 7:35 PM

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#1,293

The newz that Flynn pled gilty came out on Desembr frst, but sumhow didnt get mentioned in this topic till now.

Let me try to convey to the denierz here how important this must be.

Trump knew he wuz doing sumthing illegal wen he asked Comey to 'let Flynn go'. Furthermore, its clear that hiz cabinet knew he wuz going to do it and warned him agenst it. Assuming Trump didnt know befor their warning (bekuz he iz an ignoramous), they woud hav tried to explain that obstruction uv justis iz groundz for impeachment and mite even lead to prizon time for him and anybody near him.

Their own assez were on the line, so they woud be very forsful about it.

YET HE DID IT ANYWAY!

So wuts so much worse than impeachment & prizon for obstruction uv justis that its worth the risk?

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Monday, December 11, 2017 9:05 PM

OONJERAH


Quote JO753, "So wuts so much worse than impeachment & prizon
for obstruction uv justis that its worth the risk?"

The reply would vary significantly depending on who you ask ...
Like are they rational or not? Do they have a foothold in reality?

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

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Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:36 AM

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'Kuz theyre crazy' iz alwayz a possible explanation befor the truth iz known.

They beleevd they coud get away with it, but probably not any more.

The new idea iz that the entire GoP will unite to stop the investigation.

I dont see how anybody with a brain can not see that this iz an admission that they know Trump iz gilty.

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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:01 AM

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I still hav a glimmer uv hope on collecting 50 buks kuz Trump duznt make it to 2018.



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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:09 AM

OONJERAH


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I still hav a glimmer uv hope on collecting 50 buks kuz Trump duznt make it to 2018.

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That's a week after Christmas ... But Good Luck !!


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Wednesday, December 13, 2017 3:16 AM

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Roy Moore added another pies uv evidens. If not to the collusion aspect, at least to Russian meddling.



He haz NO connection at all to Russia according to hiz Wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore
Yet suddenly he'z doing the Trump blame America/Praiz Putin evasion and speaking Russian!

To my nonRussian earz, he soundz like he speaks it fluently, but maybe he just memorized that 1 fraze just for this occasion. Either way, it shoud alarm everybody.

The most likely theory here iz that Roy vizited Russia at sum point and got taped having sex with underaje girlz in wun uv the Kompromat hotelz.


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Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:05 AM

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The Fusion GPS testimony:
https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/3/9/3974a291-ddbe
-4525-9ed1-22bab43c05ae/934A3562824CACA7BB4D915E97709D2F.simpson-transcript-redacted.pdf


In case you havent been keeping up with the GoP propaganda, Senator Grassley haz been keeping this hidden wile painting a picture that its evidens to prove that Trump iz innosent. You cant get thru any owr uv Fox Cable Newz and not hear that the Steele Dosea iz total bunk.

Grassley and Graham went so far az to recommend to the Justis Dept. that Mr. Steele shoud be charjed with a crime.

Dem Senator Diane Feinstien finally had enuf and relaesed the transcript today.

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Friday, January 19, 2018 8:10 PM

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#..lost count
Putin crony Torchin may hav funneled money thru the NRA to the Trump campane.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article195231139
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Monday, January 22, 2018 2:21 PM

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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/key-gop-rep-removed-ethics-pan
el-after-harassment-settlement?cid=eml_mra_20180122

Meehan remoovd from ethics panel over sexual harrassment case.

Why am I posting this here insted uv the splooj monkey thred?

Bekuz Speaker uv xu House Paul Ryan kikt him off the panel imediatly wen it hit the newz, but for sum reazon, Devin Nunes iz still the chairman uv the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligense in spite uv being a member uv Trump's transition team and haz repeatedly been caught comprimizing the investigation.

Even the appearens uv conflict uv interest iz routinely avoided by goverment officialz, yet here'z Ryan letting a blatant case uv actual conflict begin and continue for over a yir.

Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel are openly supporting the efforts to obstruct Meullerz investigation. They are that confident in their propaganda machine to maintain the eko chamber alternate reality and stay in offis.

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Monday, January 22, 2018 2:41 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"According to an FBI statement, Flynn communicated with then-Russian Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak after being asked by a senior Trump transition official to find out how foreign governments stood on a coming UN Security Council resolution about Israel. The prosecutors did not name any transition officials."
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.htm
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Because ... AFTER you've been elected President, having your National Security advisor talk to the Russian Ambassador about an upcoming vote in the UN is proof of pre-election collusion.






HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Monday, January 22, 2018 3:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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OR...
Because ... AFTER you've been elected President, having your Son, Son-in-Law, and your campaign manager admit to meeting with Russians who say they have your election opponent's stolen emails is proof of pre-election collusion.

That's way better.



Only if you're a dolt, or a liar.

#FAKENEWS

CNN forced to climb down over Trump-WikiLeaks email report

Network said Trump had received email that offered hacked WikiLeaks files – but CNN got date wrong and later admitted material was already in public sphere

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/08/trump-email-key-wikile
aks-hacked-documents





HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Friday, January 26, 2018 2:02 PM

JO753

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Fake conspirasyz created by Hannity get promoted by the FSB on Twitter:
http://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org/
Collusion, even if they arent communicating with each other. Collusion without conspiracy.

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Wednesday, January 31, 2018 4:28 PM

JO753

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They are just that stooopid!

Granted, Nunes iz on hiz way to the slammer anyway, so hiz bogus 'secret memo' iz a panic reaction sumwhere between desperation and dispair, but he required alot uv colusion with Ryan and many otherz to pull it off.

They wer attempting to protect Trump, but wut they hav actually dun iz create Exibit A for the prosecution to uze in their own obstruction and conspirasy trialz.

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Thursday, February 1, 2018 5:47 AM

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Mueller needz to step up the pase, otherwize there may be no America to defend wen he'z dun dotting all the iz and crossing all the Tz.

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Tuesday, February 13, 2018 3:24 AM

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:16 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Still no evidence?
None at all?
All of your hopes and dreams, hype and spin, smoke and mirrors, for naught?

What good witch hunters you are.

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:55 PM

THGRRI


263 days, 6 hours and 5 minutes until elections.

Tick tock


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:06 PM

THGRRI


We here would be derelict in our responses to the deniers, if we fail to point out there has to be a reason why they continue to do so. We need to ask, who do you believe when it comes to whether or not the Russians interfered with our elections. . All our intel agencies, the republican and democrat parties? Or do you believe the Russians?

Even a non answer is in itself, an answer.



Why Does Trump Ignore Top Officials’ Warnings on Russia?

The phalanx of intelligence chiefs who testified on Capitol Hill delivered a chilling message: Not only did Russia interfere in the 2016 election, it is already meddling in the 2018 election by using a digital strategy to exacerbate the country’s political and social divisions.

No one knows more about the threats to the United States than these six officials, so when they all agree, it would be derelict to ignore their concerns. Yet President Trump continues to refuse to even acknowledge the malevolent Russian role.

It’s particularly striking that four of the men who gave this warning to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday — the C.I.A. director, Mike Pompeo; the director of national intelligence, Dan Coats; the F.B.I. director, Christopher Wray; and the Defense Intelligence Agency director, Lt. Gen. Robert Ashley — were all appointed by Mr. Trump.

They testified that the president has never asked them to take measures to combat Russian interference and protect democratic processes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/opinion/trump-officials-warning-rus
sia.html



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:31 PM

THGRRI


Again I would ask of the deniers. Who do you believe, the British or the Russians? Who do you believe, the French or the Russians? I could go on but it would be pointless. Trolls only troll.


Britain blames Russia directly for NotPetya 'ransomware' cyber attack on Ukraine

"Russia is ripping up the rule book by undermining democracy, wrecking livelihoods by targeting critical infrastructure, and weaponising information.

"We must be primed and ready to tackle these stark and intensifying threats," he said, according to the Times.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/britain-blames-russia-directly-fo
r-notpetya-ransomware-cyber-attack-on-ukraine/ar-BBJ9cWw?li=AA59G2



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:39 PM

THGRRI


Russia Election Hacking: Countries Where the Kremlin Has Allegedly Sought to Sway Votes

Ukraine
Ahead of Ukraine’s presidential election in 2014, Russia launched a series of coordinated cyber-attacks, including attempting to fake vote totals, according to Ukrainian officials. The hacked results would have seen ultra-nationalist Dmytro Yarosh, who in reality received less than one percent of the vote, declared the winner.

“This is the first time we’ve seen a cyber-hacktivist organization act in a malicious way on such a grand scale to try to wreck a national election,” Joseph Kiniry, an Internet voting systems cyber-security expert, told The Christian Science Monitor at the time.

United States
Ahead of the U.S. presidential election, thousands of emails were leaked from the account of the Democratic National Committee and from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, via WikiLeaks. Both the CIA and the FBI found that the hacks originated from Russia and then-President Barack Obama issued sanctions against the country. Speaking Tuesday, Rogers said it was “very clear” that Russia’s interference demonstrated a desire for Donald Trump to win the election. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has denied that Russia was the source.

Bulgaria
Just days following the U.S. election last November, Bulgaria elected its new president. And, according to Bulgarian officials, Russia used rigged polls and fake news to successfully sway the election toward pro-Moscow candidate Rumen Radev. Russia has also been accused of hacking the country’s Central Election Commission ahead of a referendum and local elections in 2015.

Austria
In the months before its presidential election, a dossier produced by U.S. intelligence agencies identified Austria as one of the countries in which Russia was attempting to interfere in national politics. The election, which had to be re-staged last December, saw Norbert Hofer of the far-right Freedom Party suffer a narrow defeated. Just day safter the election, the Freedom Party signed a cooperation agreement with Russia’s ruling party.

Norway
Around the same time as Russia was interfering in the U.S. election, the same group of hackers hit Norway’s Labour Party, according to the country’s Police Security Service. The alleged attack came at a time of growing tension between the neighboring countries.

Netherlands
Russia attempted to influence March’s Dutch election by spreading fake news, the Dutch intelligence service AIVD claimed in its annual report. In the election, the party of far-right nationalist Geert Wilders was defeated by the party of incumbent Prime Minister Mark Rutte. Shortly before the election, the Dutch government announced it would be counting all votes manually over fears of Russian hacking.

France
Even before the last-minute leaks, Macron’s campaign had complained about Russian attempts to hack its emails. Macron’s rival, Marine Le Pen, who favored better relations with Russia and the removal of sanctions, had long been seen as the favorite of the Kremlin. In addition to meeting with Putin at the Kremlin in March, Le Pen received a loan of 9 million euros ($9.8 million) from a small bank with links to the Kremlin.

Germany
A Russian group has been blamed for seizing large amounts of data during an attack on its parliament, while the country’s intelligence agency has also accused Russian media of spreading “disinformation” and “fake news” ahead of September’s federal election. Just this week, the country’s intelligence agency said it expects further cyber-attacks.

United Kingdom
A snap election set for next month has raised fears that Britain could be the next target of Russian interference. Already, a former Labour minister has said there is “clear evidence” that Russia had sought to influence previous U.K. elections.


http://www.newsweek.com/russia-election-hacking-france-us-606314


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Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:57 PM

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263 days, 6 hours and 5 minutes until elections.

Tick tock


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lol. I guess the clock is keeping track of something different now.

Good for that clock. You can't be too versatile in this new economy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:25 PM

THGRRI


Please note that jacks answer is no comment when it comes to Russian meddling. Ask yourselves, why is that?


Russian opposition leader Navalny's website blocked before election

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian authorities blocked opposition leader Alexei Navalny’s website on Thursday a month before a presidential election, a move Navalny said was designed to blunt his campaign for a boycott of what he says is a sham vote.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-election-navalny/russian-opp
osition-leader-navalnys-website-blocked-before-election-idUSKCN1FZ16Z



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:33 PM

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Navalny Website Blocked In Russia Over 'Rybkagate' Report

Internet service providers in Russia began blocking access to opposition politician Aleksei Navalny's website on February 15 following an order from the country's communications regulator, Roskomnadzor, according to news reports and social-media posts by Navalny and others.

The development came Roskomnadzor told Navalny -- along with YouTube and Instagram --that they must delete or block access to a video and photos in an online report about an alleged meeting between billionaire Oleg Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko, a longtime former senior adviser to President Vladimir Putin.

https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-website-blocked-russia-rybkagate-derip
aska-prikmhodko/29041486.html



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:38 PM

THGRRI


Trump-Russia probe muddies House hearing on U.S. threat assessment:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republicans are resisting requests by Democrats for U.S. intelligence chiefs to present their annual global threat report to a congressional panel so they can avert a likely showdown with the head of the FBI over aspects of the Trump-Russia investigation, two Democratic sources said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-intelligence/trump-rus
sia-probe-muddies-house-hearing-on-u-s-threat-assessment-sources-idUSKCN1FZ04R



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Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:40 PM

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Please note that jacks answer is no comment when it comes to Russian meddling. Ask yourselves, why is that?



I think I've made it very clear that I don't buy the Russian narrative.

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:47 AM

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The floresent lite abuv my kichen sink died after only a yir & 1/2. Ten minits later I got a text messaj from Donald Trump saying that it provez NO COLLUSION.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:51 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump blames Florida school shooting on Russia investigation.

Trump’s attacks on the FBI hit a new low on Saturday evening, when the president suggested in a tweet that the bureau had failed to prevent Wednesday’s mass shooting at a Florida high school because of its ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

While it’s true that the FBI had been alerted about Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who killed 17 people, there’s absolutely no evidence that the bureau missed anything because of its investigation into the Trump team’s possible collusion with Russia.

“Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable,” Trump wrote. “They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign — there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!”

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/965075589274177536

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:21 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
No evidence, no evidence is all some here keep posting. It's an encumbrance around their necks as facts continue to be revealed.

Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's an investigation being led by a pro. His team doesn't leak. All we can do is accept what is known and wait for the rest.

Which is it, THUGGER? Is there evidence of collusion with Russia, or not?




Thirteen Russians indicted.


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Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Which is it, THUGGER? Is there evidence of collusion with Russia, or not?




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:04 PM

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:48 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

any links and/ or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump



All of Robert Mueller’s indictments and plea deals in the Russia investigation so far
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-ind
ictments-grand-jury


The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.
Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians
Michael Flynn Mario Tama/Getty

So far, no Trump associates have been specifically charged with any crimes relating to helping Russia interfere with the 2016 election.



As for people 'believing' in Russian meddling, let me point out that if the government says something loudly enough, often enough, long enough, people will believe all sorts of tripe. For example, 93% of people 'believed' Hussein had WMDs. http://news.gallup.com/poll/8623/americans-still-think-iraq-had-weapon
s-mass-destruction-before-war.aspx
In general, people 'believe' all sorts of crap.





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Sunday, March 4, 2018 4:52 PM

THGRRI


Nothing you and others say or post matters kiki. What is will be found out. What is will be revealed. What is, is now and and will continue to be dealt with.

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Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:12 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I noticed that, once again, you failed to address facts and logic with facts and logic.




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Sunday, March 4, 2018 5:33 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I also wanted to point out that WAAAAAaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy back when, I was part of the very small minority that didn't 'believe' Iraq had WMDs. And that was because I noticed the government was substituting volume, intensity, and frequency in their claims, in place of evidence.

And I'm coming around to the question - if Russian influence is such a threat, why not investigate Hillary's campaign, too? There is far more documented collusion and influence between Hillary and Russia.




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Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:45 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Nothing you and others say or post matters kiki. What is will be found out. What is will be revealed. What is, is now and and will continue to be dealt with.

T



Nothing you've said so far has mattered. When is it that anyone is supposed to take you seriously, T?

BTW... add a closing italics tag to your posts. You're being annoying again.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 5, 2018 5:56 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


This iz sum seriously wakky stuff rite here:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/sam-nunberg-analysis/index.htm
l


I dont think he noz wut a subpeona iz.
http://litigation.findlaw.com/going-to-court/what-is-a-subpoena.html

Sooo...
You dont want to spend "30 owrz" ansrring questionz, but months or yirz in jail iz OK?

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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:23 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
This iz sum seriously wakky stuff rite here:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/sam-nunberg-analysis/index.htm
l


I dont think he noz wut a subpeona iz.
http://litigation.findlaw.com/going-to-court/what-is-a-subpoena.html

Sooo...
You dont want to spend "30 owrz" ansrring questionz, but months or yirz in jail iz OK?




Tick tock JO.


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Monday, March 5, 2018 6:29 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Sumwun new here reading this thred from the start woud probably think that Sig, KIKI and 6 are FSB operativez. They woud see how they defend Putin, distract with unrelated stuff and divert the conversation away from the orijinal topic.

Count how many posts there are about the election. Derailment seksesful!




Yep, you got that right JO. The proof lies in thread after thread here.





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Monday, March 5, 2018 7:10 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump Team Was in Routine Communication With Moscow in 2016
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/jane-mayer-trump-team-was-in-ro
utine-communication-with-moscow-in-2016
/

Jane Mayer reports today in the New Yorker on the events of August 2016, three months before the election:
www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/03/12/christopher-steele-the-man-behin
d-the-trump-dossier


According to an article by the Washington Post, that month the C.I.A. sent what the paper described as “an intelligence bombshell” to President Obama, warning him that Putin was directly involved in a Russian cyber campaign aimed at disrupting the Presidential election—and helping Trump win. Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted. (The content of these intercepts has not become public.)

Um, what? A “stream of illicit communications”? Between “Trump’s team and Moscow”? I would like to know more about that! I’ll bet everyone would like to know more about that. When did this happen? Who, precisely, is “Moscow”? Is this shorthand for people in government, or just some private citizens who live in Moscow? And what exactly does “illicit” mean?

This is almost certainly the single most interesting sentence published today.

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Monday, March 5, 2018 9:28 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


Which sentence? I count 9 of them.


I agree though. A year later and now we supposedly have some real evidence, but they're not showing it to us.

#ReleaseTheMemo2

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Monday, March 5, 2018 10:14 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Which sentence? I count 9 of them.


I agree though. A year later and now we supposedly have some real evidence, but they're not showing it to us.

#ReleaseTheMemo2

Which sentence? This sentence:
Quote:

Robert Hannigan, then the head of the U.K.’s intelligence service the G.C.H.Q., had recently flown to Washington and briefed the C.I.A.’s director, John Brennan, on a stream of illicit communications between Trump’s team and Moscow that had been intercepted.
Mueller is not showing you the real evidence because Trump and his lawyers would then know and then their new strategy would be to destroy evidence. Trump can order assassinations and Mueller probably doesn't want Trump killing his witnesses. Mueller is treating Trump as if Trump is the head of an organized crime family.

In more ordinary situations, prosecutors never share their evidence with the defendant's attorney until the last moment that the judge will allow.

Sharing evidence with 6ixStringJack would screw-up Mueller's investigation by tipping off Trump's lawyers. It’s not just Russia — Mueller is digging into Trump associates’ potentially corrupt foreign ties. He’s looking at Trump associates’ dealings with investors or governments in Qatar, the UAE, Turkey, and China.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/5/17080302/trump-russia-news-ku
shner-mueller


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 5, 2018 10:21 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Tick tock JO.



The ticks hav run out and there arent many tocks left. This week? Next week?

I'm feelin a major inditement rumbling down the chute, probably Kushner. Maybe Don Jr. Maybe both!

After that, Trump Sr haz to giv up the gost.

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Monday, March 5, 2018 11:07 PM

THGRRI


Former Trump Campaign Aide Now Says He'll Likely Cooperate With the Russia Probe

(WASHINGTON) — A former Trump campaign aide spent much of Monday promising to defy a subpoena from special counsel Robert Mueller, even throwing down the challenge to “arrest me,” then backed off his defiance by saying he would probably cooperate in the end.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Sam Nunberg said he was angry over Mueller’s request to have him appear in front of a grand jury and turn over thousands of emails and other communications with other ex-officials, among them his mentor Roger Stone. But he predicted that, in the end, he’d find a way to comply.

http://time.com/5187176/sam-nunberg-trump-robert-mueller/


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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:08 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Instead of going on ... and on ... and on ... about what OTHER people say about the dossier, why not look for yourself?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


Some things don't make sense to me.
Quote:

2015 Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.
Putin courted Trump for at least 5 years before the campaign as a political influence? What crystal ball was Putin using? I want it, too! Aside from finding amusement, this is a ridiculous premise. Russia was feeding Trump dirt on Hillary for YEARS before either ran in the primaries or was a presidential candidate? Anything related to that claim needs a whole lot of explaining, which it never gets. As does the fact that Trump never, according to Steele, took up any of Russia's business offers.

Quote:

A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by Russian Intelligence Services over many years and comprises mainly bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ...
That means that there should be evidence of this in OUR records. And that means, either our 'intelligence' services are insufficiently non-partisan and diligent, or the dossier is bunk.
Quote:

2016 Source E
This section is nearly completely comprised of the unverified claims of Source E. And that requires a lot of trust in whoever that source is, their position to acquire knowledge, and their ability to transmit it without embellishment or bombast.

The rest of the document reads like a lurid diary. It makes many, many, many claims of contacts between Trump's people and various Russians, and documents the supposed Russian/ wikileaks efforts (but managed to not notice the 13 Russians in social media efforts).

Items of interest are that at least THREE secret overseas meetings between Trump's representatives and Russian government officials are alleged to have occurred. Trips should be easy enough to document.

Finally, one of Steele's sources claimed Russia attempted to curry favor with Jill Stein and others by arranging to have their visit to Russia paid for. I thought Stein being questioned was bizarre. But that's one thing in the dossier that can be definitively crossed off the list as completely bogus. Stein paid for the trip herself. And that means, the OTHER thing that can be crossed off the list as bogus is the claim that nothing in the dossier has been disproven.





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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:14 AM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
Instead of going on ... and on ... and on ... about what OTHER people say about the dossier, why not look for yourself?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-All
egations.html


Some things don't make sense to me.
Quote:

2015 Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance.
Putin courted Trump for at least 5 years before the campaign as a political influence? What crystal ball was Putin using? I want it, too! Aside from finding amusement, this is a ridiculous premise. Russia was feeding Trump dirt on Hillary for YEARS before either ran in the primaries or was a presidential candidate? Anything related to that claim needs a whole lot of explaining, which it never gets. As does the fact that Trump never, according to Steele, took up any of Russia's business offers.

Quote:

A dossier of compromising material on Hillary CLINTON has been collated by Russian Intelligence Services over many years and comprises mainly bugged conversations she had on various visits to Russia ...
That means that there should be evidence of this in OUR records. And that means, either our 'intelligence' services are insufficiently non-partisan and diligent, or the dossier is bunk.
Quote:

2016 Source E
This section is nearly completely comprised of the unverified claims of Source E. And that requires a lot of trust in whoever that source is, their position to acquire knowledge, and their ability to transmit it without embellishment or bombast.

The rest of the document reads like a lurid diary. It makes many, many, many claims of contacts between Trump's people and various Russians, and documents the supposed Russian/ wikileaks efforts (but managed to not notice the 13 Russians in social media efforts).

Items of interest are that at least THREE secret meetings between Trump's representatives and Russian government officials are alleged to have occurred. Trips should be easy enough to document.

Finally, one of Steele's sources claimed Russia attempted to curry favor with Jill Stein and others by arranging to have their visit to Russia paid for. I thought Stein being questioned was bizarre. But that's one thing in the dossier that can be definitively crossed off the list as completely bogus, as is the claim that nothing in the dossier has been disproven.





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Oops...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#1048876



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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:15 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
The ticks hav run out and there arent many tocks left. This week? Next week?

I'm feelin a major inditement rumbling down the chute, probably Kushner. Maybe Don Jr. Maybe both!

After that, Trump Sr haz to giv up the gost.

I'll be looking for those indictments against Kushner and/ or Trump Jr. this week and next week.

If you're wrong, will you admit it?




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Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:28 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:Oops...

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61377&mid=10488
76#104887

You mean a lady of the evening is trying to get out of a Thai jail and avoid extradition to Belarus by claiming unspecified information about unnamed people? I'm smelling a lot of if coming off of that.

And considering this is a thread about 'evidens', do you suppose you could bring evidence to the table - ever?




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