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Friday, June 16, 2017 7:43 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


6ixStringJoker, I don't release my tax returns on fireflyfans.net because there is nothing in it for me. But then I'm not running for President. But then I also did not promise many times to release my taxes as soon as the IRS finishes my audit, while Trump did promise. But then again Trump did not expect to win, so why release his taxes?

Economists say the ultra-wealthy are dodging taxes far more than we think. They are not worried about jail. Trump had no need to worry until he won the election. Now he will be under scrutiny that he never considered before.
https://qz.com/994323

Do you know why he cheated? Any effort Trump put into tax evasion, assuming his time is worth as little as $10,000 per hour, will be well paid back in taxes avoided. That is his ROI. There is no way Trump would pass up the opportunity to cheat because there is hundreds of millions of dollars involved. Again we're talking about Donald Trump, not Honest Abe Lincoln nor George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump%E2%80%99s-businesses-show-mixed-
returns-during-campaign-and-presidency/ar-BBCMBWc?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by second:
If Trump is one of those indecent people whose every move is controlled by ROI (and he is) he obviously would cheat big time because it is so easy to do and a tax cheater's ROI is ENORMOUS.



The ROI on tax cheating is not ENORMOUS. Part of weighing out ROI is comparing possible benefits against possible consequences of your actions. Saving a few million here or there by outright breaking the law when you have a business the size of Trump's is potential career suicide.

Again, I'm not saying that he didn't do it. I just don't think that he did.

There are plenty of ways to avoid taxes legally, and I'm quite sure that the accountants and tax attorneys on his team took advantage of every single one of them for what they're likely getting paid. (He even admitted to the public already that there were years that he did not pay taxes, so I don't know what your point about this all is).

Maddow and Olberman would have countless hours worth of shows pouring over those things and vilifying Trump for them. The only people who would look at what they were talking about and say "Who the fuck cares? That's business." are other large corporation big-shots who know that's just how the game is played.

It's a no brainier not releasing those to the public when he doesn't have to.

Don't ever expect to see them, voluntarily or otherwise. It's not going to happen. They may subpoena them for investigation, but there is no way those are ever going to be released to the public unless they are illegally leaked or somebody changes the law to state that any president or presidential candidate MUST disclose their tax returns to the public.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 16, 2017 7:51 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJoker, I don't release my tax returns on fireflyfans.net because there is nothing in it for me. But then I'm not running for President. But then I also did not promise many times to release my taxes as soon as the IRS finishes my audit, while Trump did promise. But then again Trump did not expect to win, so why release his taxes?

Economists say the ultra-wealthy are dodging taxes far more than we think. They are not worried about jail. Trump had no need to worry until he won the election. Now he will be under scrutiny that he never considered before.
https://qz.com/994323

Do you know why he cheated? Any effort Trump put into tax evasion, assuming his time is worth as little as $10,000 per hour, will be well paid back in taxes avoided. That is his ROI. There is no way Trump would pass up the opportunity to cheat because there is hundreds of millions of dollars involved. Again we're talking about Donald Trump, not Honest Abe Lincoln nor George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington.


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If Trump is one of those indecent people whose every move is controlled by ROI (and he is) he obviously would cheat big time because it is so easy to do and a tax cheater's ROI is ENORMOUS.




What is your definition of "cheating"?

Are you inadvertently trying to say that you outright break the law when you do your taxes, or are you saying that you use every single legal loophole that, while maybe not "honest", are still avoiding outright breaking the law?

I'm sure there is some shady shit in those tax returns. What I'm saying is that I doubt there are any outright illegal things. Whether or not he ever had any intentions of becoming President it is stupid for somebody with that much responsibility to gamble not only with his own well-being but that of every single employee working for him around the world to blatantly spit in the face of the IRS.



I agree. He did promise to release his tax returns. In the debates where Hillary made a huge stink about it. There is no way he wasn't going to lie about releasing them in that forum. There would have been no argument by anybody that he lost the debates if he didn't make that promise.

I'd like to see how many promises of any type have been made in the debates over the years that were reneged on. Why is this one any more important than any of the other lies every presidential hopeful has ever said?

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Friday, June 16, 2017 8:17 PM

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The knowledge that some people are more trustworthy, honest, impulsive, and aggressive than others is essential to navigating life. It’s simply not a good personal policy to assume that everyone you stumble upon in life has your best interest at heart. You stumbled upon Trump.
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJoker, I don't release my tax returns on fireflyfans.net because there is nothing in it for me. But then I'm not running for President. But then I also did not promise many times to release my taxes as soon as the IRS finishes my audit, while Trump did promise. But then again Trump did not expect to win, so why release his taxes?

Economists say the ultra-wealthy are dodging taxes far more than we think. They are not worried about jail. Trump had no need to worry until he won the election. Now he will be under scrutiny that he never considered before.
https://qz.com/994323

Do you know why he cheated? Any effort Trump put into tax evasion, assuming his time is worth as little as $10,000 per hour, will be well paid back in taxes avoided. That is his ROI. There is no way Trump would pass up the opportunity to cheat because there is hundreds of millions of dollars involved. Again we're talking about Donald Trump, not Honest Abe Lincoln nor George "I cannot tell a lie" Washington.


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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
If Trump is one of those indecent people whose every move is controlled by ROI (and he is) he obviously would cheat big time because it is so easy to do and a tax cheater's ROI is ENORMOUS.




What is your definition of "cheating"?

Are you inadvertently trying to say that you outright break the law when you do your taxes, or are you saying that you use every single legal loophole that, while maybe not "honest", are still avoiding outright breaking the law?

I'm sure there is some shady shit in those tax returns. What I'm saying is that I doubt there are any outright illegal things. Whether or not he ever had any intentions of becoming President it is stupid for somebody with that much responsibility to gamble not only with his own well-being but that of every single employee working for him around the world to blatantly spit in the face of the IRS.



I agree. He did promise to release his tax returns. In the debates where Hillary made a huge stink about it. There is no way he wasn't going to lie about releasing them in that forum. There would have been no argument by anybody that he lost the debates if he didn't make that promise.

I'd like to see how many promises of any type have been made in the debates over the years that were reneged on. Why is this one any more important than any of the other lies every presidential hopeful has ever said?



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, June 16, 2017 8:54 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by second:
The knowledge that some people are more trustworthy, honest, impulsive, and aggressive than others is essential to navigating life. It’s simply not a good personal policy to assume that everyone you stumble upon in life has your best interest at heart. You stumbled upon Trump.



We all stumbled upon Trump. What is your point?

Even Democrats knew and admit that Hillary is a liar. Show me an honest politician, let alone presidential candidate.

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Friday, June 16, 2017 11:53 PM

JO753

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Interesting Salon articl:
http://www.salon.com/2017/02/02/president-trump-modifies-obamas-sancti
ons-against-russia
/


From the artikl:

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Any major change in America-Russia bilateral relations with Trump will look particularly troubling in light of reports that there was no transcript of Trump’s first call with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin because he turned off the recording.


Remember all the hubbub about our intel ajensyz dropping the ball allowing the 9/11 attack to sekseed so well? Seemz they didnt lern much.

More frum the articl - a wake up klaxon for any sheepl hoo think Putin running America mite not be so bad:

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In other news, journalist Vladimir Kara-Murza, one of Putin’s most prominent Russian critics and part of the pro-democracy group Open Russia, suddenly died of organ failure earlier on Thursday. He had previously been poisoned and become seriously ill as a result, although it was never proved that the poisoning was deliberate. He was described as healthy prior to his unexpected death.


Rachel Maddow interviewed that guy a few months ago!

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Saturday, June 17, 2017 11:48 AM

6STRINGJOKER


lol

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Saturday, June 17, 2017 11:51 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Kara-Murza is not dead. Your article links to a BBC article which was posted Feb 2, and which mentions "organ failure" and "medically-induced coma". But in a subsequent Feb 8 article ...

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Kremlin Critic Kara-Murza Emerges From Coma, Condition Improving

Kremlin critic Vladimir Kara-Murza Jr. who has been hospitalized in critical condition for the second time in two years in what his family and friends suspect was a deliberate poisoning, has awoken from a coma and improved noticeably, his lawyer and wife told RFE/RL.

Vadim Prokhorov said in a February 8 post on Facebook that his client’s heart was functioning normally and that he was conscious enough to interact with his wife, though he still was unable to talk. ...


https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-kara-murza-emerges-from-coma-improving/
28298654.html


Seems like your Salon article was "fake news". Or at least "jumped the gun and didn't add a retraction" news.

Yanno, I read several articles about this at the time, and the whole "poisoning" scenario seemed wobbly at the time. Here are snippets of articles and what I found troubling about them ...

From the BBC
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The journalist's wife said he had suffered the same sudden onset of symptoms as in his previous illness.

"The ambulance took him directly to the hospital where the same medical team has since been trying to determine what is happening," she said.

"He was brought there conscious but was put in a medicated coma and on life support later, because his organs began shutting down like last time."

... No cause was ever established for Mr Kara-Murza's last [previous] illness, but tests confirmed that he had ingested a poisonous substance.

There is NO generic test for "poison". If there was, it would make forensic investigation a whole lot easier! Why the BBC would post such claptrap is beyond me.

FROM RADIO FREE EUROPE
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Kremlin critic Vladimir Kara-Murza Jr. who has been hospitalized in critical condition for the second time in two years in what his family and friends suspect was a deliberate poisoning, has awoken from a coma and improved noticeably, his lawyer and wife told RFE/RL ....

Kara-Murza, 35, fell ill on February 2 in Moscow and was hospitalized in an intensive-care unit. His wife said later that her husband had suffered kidney failure and was on life support after being placed in a medically-induced coma.

His family says his symptoms are almost identical to those of his near-fatal 2015 illness, also in Moscow, which he believes was the result of a deliberate poisoning in retaliation for his political activities.

Earlier this week, Yevgeniya Kara-Murza said doctors had diagnosed her husband with "acute poisoning by an undetermined substance."


First of all, there are a lot of unsubstantiated quotes from Kara-Murza's friends and family. Did RFE ever go back to the doctors and ask for a confirmation of the diagnosis? Because, as I mentioned before, there is no such thing as a generic test for "poison". If I were a medical examiner I would have to reach that DX by excluding every other possible cause, AND I would have to find some sort of puncture mark or chemical burns in the mouth or on the skin or something unusual in the stomach indicating the administration of a foreign substance.

And then there is this ...
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Yevgeniya also said that samples of her husband’s blood, hair, and fingernails had been sent to a private laboratory in Israel for analysis.


No results have been forthcoming so far.

So despite the fact that every western article mentions "poison" in it many times, "poisoning" had not yet been demonstrated. So far, it's an allegation.

Now, there is at least one cause of sudden organ failure in previously healthy people - two people that I knew personally died of it - and that is sepsis. Literally, healthy one day and in a coma the next and dead two days after when family requested that the plug be pulled. I assume Russian doctors are aware of this condition, and I haven't read anything about THAT as a dx, so right now it's "cause unknown".

Finding a rare poison is incredibly difficult. It could be anything from radiological to chemical to biological. Some cases have taken over a year to suss out; the Israeli lab has only been at it for six months. Being generous - if, by early 2019 we haven't heard anything ... I guess there's nothing to hear.

But, again, Kara-Murza is not dead. You got hoodwinked by bad info, and failed to look for evidens of your claim.



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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:02 PM

6STRINGJOKER


lol. I'm not the one being programmed by the MSM everyday.

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Saturday, June 17, 2017 2:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.



Quote:

6stringJoker says: Sheep sounds and pictures
This from the guy who was wringing his hands over a poisoning death of Kara-Mruza (at the hands of big bad Putin) that didn't even happen.

Meanwhile ...

City Poisoned by Terrorists

I'll let you figure out what that is.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:05 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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6stringJoker says: Sheep sounds and pictures- GSTRING

This from the guy who was wringing his hands over a poisoning death of Kara-Mruza (at the hands of big bad Putin) that didn't even happen. - SIGNY

"wringing his hands??" no. Sad? If it had happened, yes, of course


Yes, IF it has happened.

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as you should have been.- GSTRINg
Are you telling me that I should let my emotions be jerked around by a piece of bad reporting (at best) or deliberate propaganda (at worst)?

... And you claim OTHER people are sheep?

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Are you unaware of Russia's poisoning history? No?
Yes, actually I am aware. I probably know a lot more about it than you do, because, as an analytical chemist, I know how difficult it is to look for "toxins". People have actually turned in analysis requests asking me to look for anything "toxic". My first response to them is that I goggle at them a bit and then ask "How much do you want to spend"? There are hundreds of thousands of toxics and thousands of effective poisons, and new discoveries are made every year. So I'm always in awe when someone tracks down a rarity.

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So you're just acting dim again? - GSRTING
No, that would be you. Not only did you fall for a a piece of fake news, you are now trying to pretend that somehow I'm the dummy and you're the smart one.

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Of course - that's what you bring half the time: bad acting. I get that it's easy for you to lie to strangers, but the facility you have for lying to yourself is truly sad.- GSTRING
I have absolutely NO IDEA what you're posting about. How am I "lying to myself"? All I said was that the person that you were wringing your hands over was not, in fact, dead.

You're like KRAPO, who claimed that I "cheered him [Putin] on in every expression of it http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61700 and, as far as I know, is still to this day trying to find those quotes where I did that.

BTW- You might want to back off on that spittle-laced personal attack on SIX. All it tells me is that you have nothing interesting to say.


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So, just to reiterate what this whole thread is about: It's about EVIDENS.

SOMETHING YOUR BOTH FAILED TO LOOK FOR WHEN YOU READ THAT SALON ARTICLE.

What was the flaw that caused you to be blind-sided?
Your "trust" in certain sites?
Your generous definition of "evidens" to include anything from rumors to allegations?
Your tendency to agree with anything that matches your assumptions/ expectations/ biases?
Your inability to notice logical flaws and weasel-words embedded in the articles that you "like" and"trust"?
Your unwillingness to look for contradictory information?

I think maybe your "evidens-parsing" skills need some work.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:15 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think maybe your "evidens-parsing" skills need some work.




That's the problem with people like T. Not that they exist, but that there are just so damn many of them, on both sides.

People who have lost the ability of critical thinking completely. People who listen only to the news that says what they want to hear and believe all of it as the truth because that's what makes sense to them. It becomes very easy to "tell them what to think" and to get them to connect the dots in their head about whatever narrative they are spinning without any proof and a bunch of anonymous sources.

I predicted every step of the way that Trump was going to win when even Fox news polls every day showed Clinton winning. I also said that there was nothing to the Russia investigation that the MSM had been yammering on about for months and it turned out that Trump was never being investigated although they said the opposite was true every single day. Now that that's over, they're scrambling to tie anything they can to Trump. The MSM is in soooo deep now that there is no turning back without losing face, and they have an army of useful idiots that are more than happy to follow them off the cliff.



G thinks having a smart phone makes him smart. He thinks that watching the MSM flavor he prefers everyday keeps him informed of what's happening.

I think these beliefs are flawed for the exact same reason.


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Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:56 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But, again, Kara-Murza is not dead. You got hoodwinked by bad info, and failed to look for evidens of your claim.



Score 1 for Siggy!

I failed to look at the date, Feb 2, wich wuz before hiz interview with Rachel.

Obviously Salon screwed up or intentionally published a lie.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:59 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile ...

City Poisoned by Terrorists

I'll let you figure out what that is.



Flint Michigan.

With Pruitt in charj uv the EPA you can bet on there being alot more uv that kind uv stuff.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 11:53 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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Having a smartphone definitely can make me a smarter person, for sure. Having access to wikipedia alone makes me able to run circles around anyone without it.
It doesn't make you smarter - because the minute that phone is unavailable, 'your' smarts go away. You, like everyone else, are pretty much stuck with whatever you ended up with after your brain quit developing, minus whatever dings and dents stress, injury and age gave you. But the fact you keep insisting you're smarter makes me think you grew up as the stupid one in a house where being smart was valuable.
Also, you have to ask the right questions to have valuable answers.
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Unlike you I rarely watch MSM. I have said that CNN and the like are good for telling us when something has happened but not always the why. "7 Navy mid-shipment in accident off the coast of Japan." See - the event happened, check, thank you MSM.
And sometimes, it's more important to understand what they're leaving out. That's the nature of propaganda which is what passes for news nowadays. You get treated to an endless stream of garbage while vital events go unmentioned.
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Why? Probably in this case yes, but at least they will let us know the versions of why.
What does this mean?





Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:24 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by G:
I gotta stop you right there... I don't think you understand what critical thinking is. It's not "a gut feeling," which is what seems to guide you throughout most of your judgements. It can only come from knowledge of something, the more the better genrally speaking. If you haven't watched Maddow you can't have any critical understanding of her. You maybe watch for a few minutes, hate her look and delivery and decide, "she's full of it." Not from her content, just your gut feeling.



I'm almost 40. I've been a part of this bullshit system we're all a part of for half of that life. I've worked in politics before. I've watched it all before. I know they're full of shit on both sides. Don't be so butt hurt that I don't like Maddow. I don't like Hannity either.

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You may have indeed decided Trump would win, but I seriously doubt it was based on anything other than your feelings. If so, do enlighten what studies you reviewed before making the decision. Or was it just, "Hillary sucks, Trump's gonna win... I can feel it."


I posted several things here about this very issue. I know I went into great deal the mathematics about why the Florida polls that showed Clinton up by almost nearly double digits were fabricated off of false data. I'm not going to bother explaining things like that to you again and I'm surely not going to look them up. Have T do that for you if you'd like. He loves doing that stuff.

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Even with Trump, you want him impeached not because of critical review of him asd a president, rather just because your so sick of hearing about it on the MSM (which you claim you don't watch).


I only know they can't stop talking about him on the MSM because here and other places I go, the clones of people like you can't shut up about the exact same things that you and T and J0 and Second are constantly bringing up. They were all proved wrong recently too, since they've been spouting the same bullshit for months almost verbatim.

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Having a smartphone definitely can make me a smarter person, for sure. Having access to wikipedia alone makes me able to run circles around anyone without it.


You're the one who is mistaken about what words mean.

Smart:


adjective, smarter, smartest.
7.
quick or prompt in action, as persons.
8.
having or showing quick intelligence or ready mental capability:
a smart student.
9.
shrewd or sharp, as a person in dealing with others or as in business dealings:
a smart businessman.
10.
clever, witty, or readily effective, as a speaker, speech, rejoinder, etc.
11.
dashingly or impressively neat or trim in appearance, as persons, dress, etc.
12.
socially elegant; sophisticated or fashionable:
the smart crowd.
13.
saucy; pert:
smart remarks.

We've been over this before. A smartphone does not make you smarter. It may make you more efficient if used properly, but it does not augment your actual intelligence, and studies have found that people who rely too heavily actually become dumber from prolonged use as they start using their smartphone as a crutch.

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Unlike you I rarely watch MSM.


If you're going to just talk complete nonsense, I'm done reading your post. Consider the rest of your post completely disregarded.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 3:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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So as an analytical human, do you understand a thing called "trends?" "Modus operandi?" Or are you just going to act stupid to cover for Russia again? (Trick question)
First of all, I'm (among other things) an analytical CHEMIST, which adds to my understanding of what REAL EVIDENS looks like, because I have to find REAL EVIDENS in order to bring it to hearing.

I'm aware that Russia has been accused of poisoning Litvinenko with polonium. I don't know what all of the "evidence" is linking the poisoning to Russia; but he was clearly poisoned. Just as an aside, polonium is easily obtained from scientific-supply sites as part of anti-static strips.

There was another demonstrated poisoning of an ex-Russian in England, Alexander Perepilichnyy, in this case using "Heartbreak Grass" (gelsemium elegans). This whistleblower was exposing various money-laundering schemes and receiving death threats from criminal gangs.

Other people's families have CLAIMED poisoning but which was never demonstrated, and for which there are other credible explanations.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:08 PM

JO753

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Notis that after 300 posts in this topic, nun uv the # facts hav been refuted. Nothing but squawking objectionz and bogus claimz uv fake newz.

The only thing even close to a refutation uv anything wuz Siggy finding the anti-Putin crusader iz still alive. Unfortunately, thats only tanjentially involved with Trump being a traitor.

Its kuz most, if not all uv the prezented facts are not refutable.

Trump DID hire Russian operativez during hiz campane.

He DID appoint Russian connected peepl to critical pozitionz.

He DID repeatedly praize Putin and insult Obama and Hillary.

Hiz cabinet appointeez DID fail to report Russian contacts on clearans formz.

They ALL denied the Russian connectionz repeatedly and were found out.

Perjury, felony misreporting, lying to investigatorz, obstruction, all to cover up the orijinal and continuing crime uv treazon and wutever dirt Putin haz on them.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:28 PM

1KIKI

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Links. Otherwise, it's just you rambling on. Again.
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Originally posted by JO753:
Notis that after 300 posts in this topic, nun uv the # facts hav been refuted. Nothing but squawking objectionz and bogus claimz uv fake newz.

The only thing even close to a refutation uv anything wuz Siggy finding the anti-Putin crusader iz still alive. Unfortunately, thats only tanjentially involved with Trump being a traitor.

Its kuz most, if not all uv the prezented facts are not refutable.

Trump DID hire Russian operativez during hiz campane.

He DID appoint Russian connected peepl to critical pozitionz.

He DID repeatedly praize Putin and insult Obama and Hillary.

Hiz cabinet appointeez DID fail to report Russian contacts on clearans formz.

They ALL denied the Russian connectionz repeatedly and were found out.

Perjury, felony misreporting, lying to investigatorz, obstruction, all to cover up the orijinal and continuing crime uv treazon and wutever dirt Putin haz on them.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:55 PM

SIGNYM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Notis that after 300 posts in this topic, nun uv the # facts hav been refuted.

Actually, none of your bogus allegations have been demonstrated.

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Nothing but squawking objectionz and bogus claimz uv fake newz.

The only thing even close to a refutation uv anything wuz Siggy finding the anti-Putin crusader iz still alive. Unfortunately, thats only tanjentially involved with Trump being a traitor.

Its kuz most, if not all uv the prezented facts are not refutable.

Trump DID hire Russian operativez during hiz campane.

"Russian operatives???" Which ones?

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He DID appoint Russian connected peepl to critical pozitionz.
You mean ... people who spoke to Russians once in a while? That's all of DC!

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He DID repeatedly praize Putin and insult Obama and Hillary.
That, he did. So what? Obama and Hillary are worthy of scorn.

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Hiz cabinet appointeez DID fail to report Russian contacts on clearans formz.
ALL of them??? I'll bet you can't even name three, let alone all of them. So ... ONE Cabinet appointee failed to report FOREIGN contacts on clearance forms, and that one ... is no longer there.

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They ALL denied the Russian connectionz repeatedly and were found out.
"They all" ... you mean, all of his Cabinet members? What the hell are you talking about?

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Perjury

No

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felony misreporting
Flynn

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lying to investigatorz
Who? How?

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obstruction
Only Hillary and her crew, son

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all to cover up the orijinal and continuing crime uv treazon
For which so far you have not managed to provide one jot of evidence

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and wutever dirt Putin haz on them.
More bullshit.

JO, I fear that you're as crazy as shithouse rat. Convincing you that there is no "treason", no "collusion", will be about as successful as trying to convince you that there were no WMD. I hope, in the future, when your emotions die down you will be able to look at this with a clearer head and learn something from both the Iraq War and the anti-Russian paranoia, and learn something about your reactions, and the utility of logic. And sang froid.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:34 PM

6STRINGJOKER


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Notis that after 300 posts in this topic, nun uv the # facts hav been refuted. Nothing but squawking objectionz and bogus claimz uv fake newz.



LOL J0. Comey refuted a lot of them. Time, I suspect, will refute most of the rest of them.

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Sunday, June 18, 2017 10:12 PM

JO753

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My mistake - 400 posts.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

LOL J0. Comey refuted a lot of them. Time, I suspect, will refute most of the rest of them.

Trump is wearing a shirt that reads on the front: "I Am Guilty! ** "
On the back, in tiny letters the shirt continues: "** (but I won’t tell you what of)"

Let me put this as simply as I can. After firing FBI Director James Comey for investigating the Trump campaign’s contacts with Russians, the president is now openly smearing and threatening to fire Comey’s replacement, Robert Mueller. There is no question about the motive behind all this, because Trump has told anyone within hearing distance or access to a television that he fired Comey to kill a vital and important investigation into Russian interference in our elections, which yesterday Putin all but admitted: “They meddle in all other countries’ affairs, what did they expect?” For good measure, Trump is now openly arguing through surrogates that Mueller is acting in bad faith, pursuing a “witch hunt,” and should be fired if his investigation gets anywhere near the president.

The president has not only been trying to prevent or rig any such investigation for months — demanding personal loyalty from the FBI director, pressuring national intelligence officials to exonerate him before the inquiry is finished — but also continues to boast about this obstruction of justice as if there were nothing wrong with it at all.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 1:21 AM

6STRINGJOKER


You don't have to dumb it down. I know exactly what you're accusing him of and how you're connecting the dots.

I don't agree with you. It's too simple. It's an orgy of evidence. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump and his team are just a bunch of stupid old men who have no idea how things work today and that everything is traceable.

If he is guilty, they will find out.

I guess in the mean time you would probably do better focusing on other stuff. Any of your continued "super sleuthing" here is fun and all but isn't actually going to accomplish anything.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
You don't have to dumb it down. I know exactly what you're accusing him of and how you're connecting the dots.

I don't agree with you. It's too simple. It's an orgy of evidence. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe Trump and his team are just a bunch of stupid old men who have no idea how things work today and that everything is traceable.

If he is guilty, they will find out.

I guess in the mean time you would probably do better focusing on other stuff. Any of your continued "super sleuthing" here is fun and all but isn't actually going to accomplish anything.

This is from last night: "NBC News Exclusive: Memo Shows Watergate Prosecutors Had Evidence Nixon White House Plotted Violence"
www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/nbc-news-exclusive-memo-shows-w
atergate-prosecutors-had-evidence-nixon-n773581


"If his is guilty, they will find out," you wrote. If we wait 45 years.

"Maybe Trump and his team are just a bunch of stupid old men who have no idea how things work today," you wrote. Trump is smart and knows how Congress works, today. He and Nixon could end in the same jail cell, but then Nixon didn't go to jail, did he? Trump has an impeachment advantage over Nixon that the GOP is every bit as honest as he is. See the short article "The Silence of the Hacks" about the Health Care bill.
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/the-silence-of-the-hacks/

I'll feel so very good about my huge tax cut when Trumpcare passes and only a little bad about the people who lose their health care. It will be a win for me! Hillary would have never given me that win, so thank God for Trump and the GOP. Let me rub it in: Life in the USA is not a zero sum game because every win for me, the 1%, is a loss for 99 people, some of whom will die. It is worst than zero sum. Hurray for me! Too bad for you!


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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:40 AM

6STRINGJOKER


I'm doing just fine. Been working on my hobbies for nearly 6 month of sobriety and haven't needed to look for a job yet. Money ain't everything.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 8:03 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm doing just fine. Been working on my hobbies for nearly 6 month of sobriety and haven't needed to look for a job yet. Money ain't everything.

I'm happy for you and me because it means there is one less person, you, who will revolt against me, the 1%. I win huge tax cuts when the GOP wins and my conscience remains untroubled by my good fortune because I voted for Democrats. Trump will truly have made America great again once my tax cuts arrive.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 8:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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About ALL your 'objectionz', why do you think Trump lawyered up yesterday?
WHAT A STUPID QUESTION!

Good lord, JO! You have lost it.

I can give you one very good reasons to "lawyer up" when you're innocent.

What about: Constitutional protections against false accusations???

Up until this, I was willing to give you a 10% chance that I was the crazy one, not you. 400 posts, and all of yours are vapor-ware. But now I KNOW that you're as nutty as a shit-house rat. And that you're a fascist: You'd tear down the Constitution itself to get your way, wouldn't you? And what you "want" ... or what you've been induced to want ... is to get rid of Trump by any means possible. ANY MEANS POSSIBLE. Amiright or amiright?

So, why should I vote for you, again? Because you're a born-again fascist? A sheep who can't keep his head above a tide of propaganda? Someone who gets so swept way with his emotions he can't even see where he's being swept to? You've already admitted to being fooled once. Apparently, you refuse to learn from experience.


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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 9:03 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


JO, GSTRING, THUGR, and SECOND: traitors. Unwilling to accept the results of our democratic process, or to allow Constitutional protections to people they hate.



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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 9:40 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
JO, GSTRING, THUGR, and SECOND: traitors. Unwilling to accept the results of our democratic process, or to allow Constitutional protections to people they hate.

You're always wrong, Signym. I'm pleased that Trump is President, because there is no other way for me to get the huge tax cuts I don't deserve. Hillary would never repeal Obamacare in order to give me more money. Neither would Hillary sign the bills from Republicans. It is nonsensical Republican & Trump policy, but good for me, a Democrat and a 1 percenter: "Senate Republicans are getting ready to admit they don’t care about deficits after all"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/19/15819364/tax-cuts-scoring-wi
ndow


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Monday, June 19, 2017 2:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Or to allow Constitutional protections to people they hate."

Concepts like "innocent until proven guilty" are just unnoticeable speed-bumps in your fevered minds.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Monday, June 19, 2017 6:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Or to allow Constitutional protections to people they hate."

Concepts like "innocent until proven guilty" are just unnoticeable speed-bumps in your fevered minds.

Per the Constitution, I would be excluded from serving on the jury for the trials of the Trump family because I am prejudiced, but then if the Constitution said "guilty until proven innocent", Mike Pence would already be President and I'd already have my huge tax cut from the Obamacare repeal and replace. Trump is a goofy incompetent.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 6:41 PM

1KIKI

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Per the Constitution, I would be excluded from serving on the jury for the trials of the Trump family because I am prejudiced
What part of the Constitution is that?




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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:04 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm doing just fine. Been working on my hobbies for nearly 6 month of sobriety and haven't needed to look for a job yet. Money ain't everything.

I'm happy for you and me because it means there is one less person, you, who will revolt against me, the 1%. I win huge tax cuts when the GOP wins and my conscience remains untroubled by my good fortune because I voted for Democrats. Trump will truly have made America great again once my tax cuts arrive.



I already said the other day that this day is coming. Nobody I care about is close to becoming that desperate, but already we see that people are hitting rock bottom with nothing to lose.

There's a lot of people in this country, Second. You might want to look into purchasing a moat and a drawbridge and some sharks with that big tax return.

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Monday, June 19, 2017 7:23 PM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by G:
A smartphone connected to the Internet does in fact, augment your actual intelligence - that's the point. If you just want to argue to argue, g'head. Consider further illogical posts on the subject completely disregarded.



You should probably go to dictionary.com every once in a while with that online brain of yours then, because a smartphone connected to the internet does not AUGMENT your actual intelligence. Here's the definition for you:

verb (used with object)
1.
to make larger; enlarge in size, number, strength, or extent; increase


Nope. It doesn't do that.

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I would love to hear you detail this one: "They were all proved wrong recently too, since they've been spouting the same bullshit for months almost verbatim." 'Cuz that's pure Jackshit.



There's no need to detail it. You already know what I'm talking about.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:08 AM

6STRINGJOKER


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Originally posted by G:
Heh - did you go to dictionary.com in the newspaper???? Geezus, think it through.
Having the knowledge of the Internet in your hand doesn't... make larger; enlarge in size, number, strength, or extent; increase how smart you are?????? Ok! You got me!



You have no idea what the basic concept of intelligence is, so this is very hard to explain to you.

A smart phone is a tool. Much like a cordless drill is a tool. I could use a screwdriver to put up drywall by hand, but I end up saving myself a lot of time and energy by using a cordless drill. Having the cordless drill doesn't make me stronger, and I'm not in any way handicapped physically so I am perfectly able to screw something in with a screwdriver, but having the cordless drill IMPROVES MY EFFICIENCY.

You keep mistaking INTELLIGENCE with EFFICIENCY.



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No really, I want you to see how much junk you post. Did you prove Manafort was not working for Russia? For both sides? Did you prove Trump hasn't been laundering money for Russia? Did you or anyone prove *anything* yet? Stop making sh&t up maybe.



You're joking right. DID YOU OR ANYONE PROVE ANYTHING YET!!!!?

Shut the fuck up, lemming.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:39 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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No really, I want you to see how much junk you post. Did you prove Manafort was not working for Russia? For both sides? Did you prove Trump hasn't been laundering money for Russia? Did you or anyone prove *anything* yet? -GOOSESTEPPER
Ah, the little fascist shows his true colors.

You seem to have forgotten yet another Constitutional principle, along with all of the other Constitutional principles that you're been so ready to ditch along the way. I even mentioned it to SECOND.

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You keep mistaking INTELLIGENCE with EFFICIENCY.- SIX
Yanno, it's funny that the discussion would come around again to the idea of "intelligence". I challenged GOOSETEPPER. KRAPO, and THUGR - many times- to define the term "intelligence". All I got out of it was "Well, why don't YOU?" Yanno, like they wanted to copy my test answers or something.

They STILL don't know what intelligence is, and they sure haven't demonstrated much of it.


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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake

THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm doing just fine. Been working on my hobbies for nearly 6 month of sobriety and haven't needed to look for a job yet. Money ain't everything.

I'm happy for you and me because it means there is one less person, you, who will revolt against me, the 1%. I win huge tax cuts when the GOP wins and my conscience remains untroubled by my good fortune because I voted for Democrats. Trump will truly have made America great again once my tax cuts arrive.



I already said the other day that this day is coming. Nobody I care about is close to becoming that desperate, but already we see that people are hitting rock bottom with nothing to lose.

There's a lot of people in this country, Second. You might want to look into purchasing a moat and a drawbridge and some sharks with that big tax return.

You are dreaming of the workers' revolution. Or is it the French Revolution? A violent overthrow. Only trouble is you have to sustain your enthusiasm for months, maybe years, not just once every 4 years at the voting booth for the next hoaxer like Trump.

You should read the article: “Amazon.com founder Jeff Bezos asked for help giving away his billions. How about paying his workers a living wage?”
www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/06/dear-jeff-bezos-remember-cha
rity-begins-home-170619073449644.html


Jeff Bezos’s employees live in misery. If they were enthusiastic to start the Revolution against the rich they’d band together in a union to squeeze more money from Amazon. But it is not happening. Even less likely to happen is the poorest half of Americans cooperating with each other to get the government to force Bezos to pay his employees more. Even less likely is Amazon employees burning down Bezos’s mansion to teach him a lesson in what is fair.

If the poorest half of America continue to act as individuals, not as a group, they will remain poor. As a group, they need to cooperate with each other every day, but it is hard to get them to even show up to vote once every 1,460 days. They need to put in a Revolutionary effort, about a thousand times more effort than voting once every 4 years, if they are going to change America for the better.

They could learn the most important lesson from the wealthy. The richest Americans act as a group inside the GOP (and smaller group inside the Democratic Party), not as a bunch of individuals. That is the secret to how the richest will continue to prosper. They learned to cooperate with each other every damn day of the week, not just once in a great while.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:20 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Per the Constitution, I would be excluded from serving on the jury for the trials of the Trump family because I am prejudiced

What part of the Constitution is that?

5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments.
http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-06/07-impartial-jury.h
tml


But I might lie about my Trump bigotry in order to get on a jury that would fry his fat. I wouldn't be even among the first million jurors who committed perjury to qualify for sitting in judgment at a trial.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:08 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


I didnt realize how bad Nixon wuz till I watched the NBC special on Watergate.

A big lesson to be lerned iz that freedom uv the press iz an essential part uv our democrasy. If not for Woodward & Bernstien, Nixon woud hav gotten away with it.

At hiz core, he wuz a 2 bit banana republic strong man. How far he coud hav taken it with a little less press freedom and a little more GoP colusion?

Trump haz haf the media working for him and at least 90% uv the GoP. With Russia'z help, maybe he can sekseed where Nixon failed.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:06 AM

6STRINGJOKER


What world are you living in J0?

I'm pretty sure the only MSM that is on Trump's side is Hannity.

The larger "half" of the media has been talking shit about him every single day for 6 months. Never before has any president in history had this many eyes on him.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
What world are you living in J0?

I'm pretty sure the only MSM that is on Trump's side is Hannity.

The larger "half" of the media has been talking shit about him every single day for 6 months. Never before has any president in history had this many eyes on him.

Except for LBJ, Nixon, Bill Clinton, Bush II. There was a high degree of hostility toward those Presidents about their screwed up administrations.

I should add that LBJ didn't run for a second term because his endless lying (reported by MSM) about the justification for the Vietnam War caused trouble for him. Endless, nonstop lying by Nixon (reported by MSM) about Watergate caused trouble for him. Nonstop lying by Bush II (reported by MSM) about the Iraq War caused trouble for him.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 8:46 AM

6STRINGJOKER


Funny how the MSM didn't have much to say about the endless nonstop lying of Obama. Imagine that.

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:21 AM

JO753

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Exept there wuznt any. (OK, a few thingz, but they get repeated by the rite wing endlessly)

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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:30 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
What world are you living in J0?



The wun that iz outside uv the eko chamber you are in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_talk_radio

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/06/11/what-rupert-m
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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Funny how the MSM didn't have much to say about the endless nonstop lying of Obama. Imagine that.

What were the lies? And please don't quote from Trump or similar sources. Remember that Trump said Obama was born in Kenya and that because he was a Kenyan first and always he could not legally be the President. Or did 6stringJoker erase that Trump scam from memory after Trump said it was Hillary said Obama was a Kenyan?

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/23/donald-trump/h
illary-clinton-obama-birther-fact-check
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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:20 AM

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No really, I want you to see how much junk you post. Did you prove Manafort was not working for Russia? For both sides? Did you prove Trump hasn't been laundering money for Russia? Did you or anyone prove *anything* yet? -GOOSESTEPPER

Ah, the little fascist shows his true colors. - SIGNY

Huh? I'm a facist now because I want Jack to explain his statements? Because I ask him not to make sh*t up? Explain please, I need a laugh. Or run to the next thread like you usually do when your intelligence fails you.- G-OOSESTEPPER

You've so thoroughly forgotten one of our legal foundations that you don't even know what I'm referring to, do you?

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You seem to have forgotten yet another Constitutional principle, along with all of the other Constitutional principles that you're been so ready to ditch along the way. I even mentioned it to SECOND. - SIGNY

You really are just like Jack - more made up sh*t you can't defend. G'head! I think most of us know it will be more deflection.- GSTRING

Yep, you can't even figure out what I'm referring to. I even posted it. Just scroll up and read with comprehension this time.

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You keep mistaking INTELLIGENCE with EFFICIENCY.- SIX

Yanno, it's funny that the discussion would come around again to the idea of "intelligence". I challenged GOOSETEPPER. KRAPO, and THUGR - many times- to define the term "intelligence". All I got out of it was "Well, why don't YOU?" Yanno, like they wanted to copy my test answers or something. They STILL don't know what intelligence is, and they sure haven't demonstrated much of it.- SIGNY

Geezus Krist - I know you so well by now... all you want to do is lecture us and fill the forum with useless typing. So, again, g'head, lecture away - prove me wrong if you can. Show us your great intelligence isn't just obvious deflection. - GSTRING

GSTRING, you still haven't defined intelligence, and you still haven't figured out which legal protection so thoroughly slipped your mind that it's not even a speed bump in your mentation? (That's a hint, by the way. Please scroll up and read with comprehension.)

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What were the lies?








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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 11:34 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thanks for that, SIX.

Now, to be fair, some of Obama's failures really were the result of GOP intransigence. The few that come to mind are the plan to spend on infrastructure (GOP did not want to raise the deficit), the inability to work in a bipartisan fashion (hard to negotiate with an intransigent party) the inability to close Gitmo (GOP refused to allow prisoner releases into the USA, and difficulty in finding partner nations).

However, appointing Timmy Geithner, shoveling money at the banks, Obamacare, endless warrantless surveillance (as exposed by Snowden), TTP, TTIP ... that was all on Obama and his buddies. Ukraine, Libya, and Syria are at least half Obama's fault.

All that hopey-changey stuff: pure hogwash.

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THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one


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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What were the lies?


"Did I ever tell my constituents that, if they like their plan, they could keep it? I would have, if I'd ever met anybody who liked his or her plan, but that was not my experience."
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/dec/12/lie-year-if-you-l
ike-your-health-care-plan-keep-it
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Tuesday, June 20, 2017 6:03 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Did you prove Manafort was not working for Russia? For both sides? Did you prove Trump hasn't been laundering money for Russia? Did you or anyone prove *anything* yet? -GOOSESTEPPER

Ah, the little fascist shows his true colors. - SIGNY

Huh? I'm a facist now because I want Jack to explain his statements? Because I ask him not to make sh*t up? Explain please, I need a laugh. - GOOSESTEPPER

Can't explain, huh? I'll make it even simpler for you: Did Jack prove all of those things he claimed? So how does his inability and false statement make me a fascist? You love throwing that word around but clearly you don't know what it means.- GOOSESTEPPER



Nobody needs to "prove" that Manafort was NOT working for Russia, or that Trump wasn't laundering money, because of the concept of "innocent until proven guilty". That's the the cornerstone of our justice system, the one that seems to have rather permanently slipped your mind.

All anyone has to do .... and I think we've done that, over and over .... is to show that there is "reasonable doubt". Not only is there "reasonable doubt", just about everything that you and JO have brought to the board doesn't even rise to the level of "evidens". In doesn't even rise to the level of "hearsay"! It's anonymous gossip and rampant speculation, and some of it has already been disproved by Comey's own testimony. But your insistence that people "prove innocence" is just another example of your warped, authoritarian thinking.


SECOND- wow, that's an abnormally paltry defense of Obama! It almost sounds as if you're AGREEING with SIX that Obama lied, because your very own link says ...

Quote:

It was a catchy political pitch and a chance to calm nerves about his dramatic and complicated plan to bring historic change to America’s health insurance system. "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," President Barack Obama said -- many times -- of his landmark new law.

But the promise was impossible to keep.

So this fall, as cancellation letters were going out to approximately 4 million Americans, the public realized Obama’s breezy assurances were wrong.

Boiling down the complicated health care law to a soundbite proved treacherous, even for its promoter-in-chief. Obama and his team made matters worse, suggesting they had been misunderstood all along .... For all of these reasons, PolitiFact has named "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it," the Lie of the Year for 2013. Readers in a separate online poll overwhelmingly agreed with the choice.



So, are you agreeing that Obama lied? Or what?



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