The Evidens by JO753

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I didn't think the movie was bad... I just thought it sucked because it wrapped so many things up and killed off some characters all within a few hours. For years I held out hoping they'd start making the show again and just throw the movie away because there was so much left to tell until the movie came out. I felt the movie was an end to Firefly, not the hope of the series being picked back up.

I thought the movie could have been the start of further adventures in the style of the TV show in the comics, but it's not happening. The comics that came out since the movie are nothing like the TV show. The last page of the last issue of the comic has Mal say "somehow, some way, we're bringing the Alliance down once and for all." Yeh, sure Mal. That is even less likely than Comey bringing down Trump in tomorrow's testimony. Which brings me back to this:

Former FBI director James Comey gave a written statement to the US senate committee on intelligence ahead of his deposition tomorrow (June 8). It reads more like it was written by a crime novelist than by a cop: Detailed, evocative, and with just enough tension, the seven pages are quite the read, likely to captivate even those not especially into official hearings.

From the unusual presidential requests of loyalty to awkward dinners and the chronicling of growing tension between players in the DC halls of power, Comey delivered a remarkably well-written first draft of history that seems too novelistic to be true, and yet….

Read it in full below: https://qz.com/1001135

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:34 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

For as god awful as everyone says Trump is, no one has yet been able to put him away.

Originally posted by G: "I coined the slogan "We Suck!"© many years ago." G is an avowed Putin-loving, pro-Russian, anti-American troll.
You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER. In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it.

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

For as god awful as everyone says Trump is, no one has yet been able to put him away.

Based upon Texas Republicans' behavior, both voters and politicians, so long as the houses of Congress are controlled by Republicans, Trump will not be put away. I hope to be entertained by Trump sinking into Nixonian madness, but without Trump having Nixon's goodsense to resign.

I Am Not a Kook: Richard Nixon's Bizarre Visit to the Lincoln Memorial
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/11/i-am-not-a-kook-richard-n
ixons-bizarre-visit-to-the-lincoln-memorial/248443/

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:46 AM

I'm still adjusting to the fact that you're a dude, Second.

Probably not the same thing as finding out your best friend is having a sex change, but I think I can empathize with that scenario now.

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:35 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Trump will not be put away

I was thinking more like in tennis or racquetball - yanno, you think your opponent is a complete tyro, but they keep returning the ball - you just can't. quite. put them away.

In this case, get the slam dunk goods on him. Despite all the claims, no one .quite. has it.

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:38 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Trump will not be put away
I was thinking more like in tennis or racquetball - yanno, you think your opponent is a complete tyro, but they keep returning the ball - you just can't. quite. put them away.

In this case, get the slam dunk goods on him. Despite all the claims, no one .quite. has it.

If Comey gives Congress a slam dunk case for obstruction of justice against Trump, a Congress controlled by Republicans will ignore it because that is what Republicans do. On the other hand, if it was Hillary instead of Trump, Hillary would be a dead President because that is what Republicans do to Democrats.

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:13 AM

lol

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
lol

It is laughable. The Democratic Party is under the delusion that beating the Republicans is only a matter of saying the right words on paper or TV as if logic and facts will carry them to victories in thousands of different elections. I think it will take more. The Democrats could learn how much more from the Republicans. "Do unto others as they have done unto you" is a lesson Democrats need to learn. This needs a few examples:

There’s so much more about Trump to investigate than just Russia. Tax evasion, fraud, misuse of charitable funds... when it comes to investigating Trump, Russia is just the tip of the iceberg.
www.vox.com/2017/6/8/15749592/trump-tax-evasion

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:27 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Refer to my edit above.

FYI, I don't recognize the movie Serenity as cannon. I'm only a fan of the original TV show.

Ditto.

Sho 'Nuff

Sorry, I don't remember saying anything about the movie. What I recall saying is "a fan of firefly" and that the picture was a picture of Serenity. As in Serenity, the ship the crew traversed the verse in.

And I quote what I said "And you are a member of this site why? It can't be because you are a firefly fan. You don't even recognize Serenity."

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Thursday, June 8, 2017 4:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:
There’s so much more about Trump to investigate than just Russia.

Maybe they should start by investigating Trump and Russia, huh Second?

I thought they were. What happened?

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Friday, June 9, 2017 3:10 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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If Comey gives Congress a slam dunk case for obstruction of justice against Trump

But he won't. Because no matter how many notes Comey took at whatever time he claims he took them - it's still a matter of he said - he said. Unless one - preferably both - were taping the conversation, neither party has 'slam-dunk' evidence.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 3:37 AM

rezident owtsidr

Incorrect.

Trumps own wordz make it an open & shut case. Have you not seen the Lester Holt interview?

Not good enuff for you? Then add hiz bogus cover story that he set up, ran, then trashed himself with that interview.

Then therez firing Sally Yates for warning him that Flynn wuz trouble.

Then therez finally getting flynn to rezine 18 dayz after that ONLY kuz the Washington Post wuz going to expoze Flynn.

The only thing holding up the impeachment iz Ryan and McConnel being too blind to see their anklez tangled in the ropes tied to the Trump ankor.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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If Comey gives Congress a slam dunk case for obstruction of justice against Trump
But he won't. Because no matter how many notes Comey took at whatever time he claims he took them - it's still a matter of he said - he said. Unless one - preferably both - were taping the conversation, neither party has 'slam-dunk' evidence.

There will never be a Republican controlled Congress that would impeach Trump, no matter what was recorded with Comey. That is how Republicans behave. Now if Special Counsel Robert Mueller found out Trump cheated on his taxes or something else simple and straightforwardly criminal, Trump's legal problems would NOT go through Congress, but through the ordinary court system where his political party has less than total control.

Michael Isikioff of Yahoo News reported that four top D.C. lawyers had refused to handle Trump’s defense.

“The concerns were, ‘The guy won’t pay and he won’t listen,’” said one lawyer close to the White House who is familiar with some of the discussions between the firms and the administration, as well as deliberations within the firms themselves.

If accurate, Isikoff’s reporting suggests that a lifelong habit of skipping out on bills has saddled Trump with an attorney ill-prepared for the task ahead.

Friends of the president will reply that the Comey hearing did not produce a smoking gun. That’s true. But the floor is littered with cartridge casings, there’s a smell of gunpowder in the air, bullet holes in the wall, and a warm weapon on the table. Comey showed himself credible, convincing, and consistent. Against him are arrayed the confused excuses of the least credible president in modern American history.

www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/06/the-five-lines-of-defense
-against-comeyand-why-they-failed/529743/

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Friday, June 9, 2017 7:16 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:

The only thing holding up the impeachment iz Ryan and McConnel being too blind to see their anklez tangled in the ropes tied to the Trump ankor.

It is not only the Republican leadership. For example, Texas’ own U.S. Sen. John Cornyn looks like he’d rather play defense attorney for Trump. As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee panel that questioned Comey, Cornyn used his few minutes with the microphone to raise the now-closed investigation into Hillary Clinton’s misuse of a private email server — a topic that would be distinctly more relevant if Clinton had not lost the 2016 election.

U.S. intelligence agencies assert that Russia interfered with that election, and Comey reminded Congress that Russia will interfere again. But the Republican Party has made no secret of its intent to spin Comey’s testimony as nothing more than fodder for cable TV talking heads . . .

My quick survey of ordinary Republican voters in Texas all agreed that everything Comey said in testimony should be ignored, but evil Hillary's email server must be investigated. From top to bottom, the entire GOP is protectively embracing Trump.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 8:47 AM

rezident owtsidr

Its like they hav a brain virus. It started out az Obama Deranjement syndrome then mutated into Trump Mania.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 8:51 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Its like they hav a brain virus. It started out az Obama Deranjement syndrome then mutated into Trump Mania.

As opposed to the brain virus that started with Obama Mania and devolved to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 9:17 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
Its like they hav a brain virus. It started out az Obama Deranjement syndrome then mutated into Trump Mania.

As opposed to the brain virus that started with Obama Mania and devolved to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

When the president’s id speaks, the world listens.

Consider his tweets mocking the mayor of London after the most recent terror attack. This is a time when a president expresses sympathy and solidarity — and stops there. Trump can’t stop, ever. He used the atrocity to renew an old feud with a minor official of another country.

He used London to support his travel ban, to attack his own Justice Department for having “watered down” the original executive order (ignoring the fact that Trump himself signed it) and to undermine the case for it just as it goes to the Supreme Court.

He boasted by tweet that the administration was already doing “extreme vetting.” But that explodes the whole rationale for the travel ban — that a 90-day moratorium on entry was needed while new vetting procedures were developed. If the vetting is already in place, the ban has no purpose. The rationale evaporates.

And if that wasn’t mischief enough, he then credited his own interventions in Saudi Arabia for the sudden squeeze that the Saudis, the UAE, Egypt and other Sunni-run states are putting on Qatar for its long-running dirty game of supporting and arming terrorists (such as the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas) and playing footsie with Iran.

It’s good to see our Sunni allies confront Qatar and try to bring it into line. But why make it personal — other than to feed the presidential id? Gratuitously injecting the U.S. into the crisis taints the endeavor by making it seem an American rather than an Arab initiative and turns our allies into instruments of American designs rather than defenders of their own region from a double agent in their midst.

And this is just four days’ worth of tweets, all vainglorious and self-injurious. Where does it end?

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Friday, June 9, 2017 12:01 PM

Oh... you mean the Mayor that has called moderate Muslims who don't partake in violence and speak out against it a disgrace?

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Friday, June 9, 2017 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Oh... you mean the Mayor that has called moderate Muslims who don't partake in violence and speak out against it a disgrace?

No. I mean @realDonaldTrump who tweeted 2 hours ago: "Congratulations to Jeb Hensarling & Republicans on successful House vote to repeal major parts of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial law. GROWTH!" If you knew why the economy crashed in 2008, and you remember the multi-trillion dollar bailout that went to the fabulously wealthy and none to you, you would know why Trump should not congratulate this vote.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/873183401620230144

This article will jog your memory:
www.ibtimes.com/will-trump-start-recession-president-plans-roll-back-d
odd-frank-dol-fiduciary-rule-2485974

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Friday, June 9, 2017 3:46 PM

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Trump is claiming James Comey perjured himself. That’s extremely hard to believe.

Why would Comey lie under oath when Trump has said there might be tapes of their conversations? If only Trump would testify under oath, he would be taken seriously when he accuses Comey of a crime punishable with 5 years in jail. But Trump is not offering to testify under oath, he is not offering to place himself at risk for a perjury charge, which is a strong indicator of who is the real liar. I happily await Trump's testimony under oath to prove me wrong about him.

I'd even be happy to hear Trump's recordings of his conversations with Comey since Trump said the tapes "might" exist, then Trump could prove Comey is a liar without Trump testifying.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15768190/comey-testimony-trum
p-perjury

Did Trump just say he’d testify under oath about Comey? He seemed to suggest that he’d be willing to give his own version of events under oath. But the exchange, with ABC News’s Jonathan Karl, was a bit of a muddle, and it’s unclear whether the president intended his answer to come across that way.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15772332/trump-under-oath-com
ey

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Friday, June 9, 2017 6:29 PM

rezident owtsidr

Thinking about why Trump woud say "Thats taken off now" to Lavrov and Kislyak wen its plainly rediculous.

Its bekuz he wuz desperately hoping that hiz boss woud think that at least Trump believz it, so he iz doing hiz job.

Its another clue to the size uv the blackmail hanging over hiz hed.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 6:56 PM

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Originally posted by JO753:

Its another clue to the size uv the blackmail hanging over hiz hed.

More clues that something weird is happening in his brain: Trump cannot answer the simplest question in a straightforward manner.

KARL: And you seem to be hinting that there are recordings of those conversations.

TRUMP: I’m not hinting anything, I’ll tell you about that over a very short period of time.

KARL: When will you tell us about the recordings?

TRUMP: Over a very short period of time.

KARL: Are there tapes, sir?

TRUMP: Oh, you’re gonna be very disappointed when you hear the answer, don’t worry.

So overall, this cleared up nothing.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/9/15772332/trump-under-oath-com
ey

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Friday, June 9, 2017 10:49 PM

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If you were the creator of a TV crime series, what would you see as the key plot points of Trump vs Comey? The Wire’s David Simon with an interesting take:
https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/872966218738741250

A year with some good detectives taught me that often WHAT ISN'T SAID is the actual tell. And note what isn't discussed between Trump and Comey. At no point does Trump make any concerted effort to discern whether or not Russia did in fact attempt to interfere in the election. Indeed, he notes that the claim has created a cloud over his governance -- so he can scarcely say that it isn't of real concern to him; his concern is premised in this meeting. Yet, he doesn't inquire as to what Comey and the FBI is yet discerning about Russia's role. He doesn't even do so as a means of disparaging the claim. (i.e. "I'm sure you're finding out that there's nothing to the claims of Russian interference, right?" It. Doesn't. Come. Up.

In this regard, I am reminded of every innocent and guilty man I ever witnessed in an interrogation room. The innocent ask a multitude of questions about what the detectives know, or why the cops might think X or Y or whether Z happened to the victim. The guilty forget to inquire. They know.

An old law school saw tells young trial lawyers to remind their clients to stay curious in front of a jury. There's a famous tale of a murder case in which the body of the defendant's wife had not been recovered yet he was charged with the killing. Defense attorney tells the jury in final argument there's been no crime and the supposed victim will walk through the courtroom doors in 10 seconds. 30 seconds later the door remains shut. "OK, she isn't coming today. But the point is all of you on jury looked, and that my friends is reasonable doubt. You must acquit."

Jury comes back in twenty minutes: Guilty. Attorney goes to the foreman: "I thought I had you." Foreman: "You had me and ten others. But juror number 8 didn't look at the door, he looked at your client. And he didn't eye the door, he was examining his nails."

Even when he was completely alone with Comey, Trump didn't look at the door. He eyed his nails. It's an absolute tell.

Why? Because Trump already knows that there is some fixed amount of Russian interference on his behalf, and possibly, collusion as well.

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Friday, June 9, 2017 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Oh... you mean the Mayor that has called moderate Muslims who don't partake in violence and speak out against it a disgrace?
No. I mean @realDonaldTrump who tweeted 2 hours ago: "Congratulations to Jeb Hensarling & Republicans on successful House vote to repeal major parts of the 2010 Dodd-Frank financial law. GROWTH!" If you knew why the economy crashed in 2008, and you remember the multi-trillion dollar bailout that went to the fabulously wealthy and none to you, you would know why Trump should not congratulate this vote.

No. That's not what you mean. Once again you quote me and reply with something completely unrelated. Read your prior post.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:20 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I have to say that you (JO, SECOND, SHINY, and GSTRING) aren't bothering to get the facts. As usual.

I was troubled by the conflicting views of Comey's testimony, and the garbled interpretations being made of it, so rather than relying on what "people said" about the testimony, I decided to go to the full transcript. I'm only about about halfway through, but I did want to clarify a few things and pass along some interesting information. Here is the transcript, if you're interested in facts:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/senate-hearing-transcri
pt.html

Part of the confusion is that there are at least FOUR issues being discussed in these hearings:

1) Did Russia attempt to interfere in our elections?

2) Did the Trump campaign collude with the Russians?

3) Did Trump attempt to obstruct justice?

4) What other testimony came out, about Comey's handling of the Hillary investigation, for example, or whether or not the NYT printed a false (leaked) story about Trump and whether or not any in the intelligence community chose to correct the story.

The other part of the confusion is that Comey is being questioned alternately by Republicans and Democrats in order of rank, so each party is trying to elicit a different response.

========

Although I'm only halfway through, this is what I've gotten so far

1) Comey is convinced that the Russians attempted to influence our elections, although he himself admits that the FBI was prevented from examining the DNC server, and had to rely on private party to provide the info. In Comey's view, no votes were ever hacked.

2) Trump himself was NOT under investigation. Flynn, of course, is mentioned as a person under investigation for having undisclosed contact with Russians (and Turks, BTW, an issue that Muller will be looking into). All of the crap about intercepted communications in the NYT was false.

3) Comey himself felt under pressure about the "Russia" investigation. That "pressure" was in the form of Trump's "hope" that the Flynn investigation could be let go. Trump also mentioned that the Russia investigation created a "cloud" which Comey testified that he took to mean that it was taking up too much oxygen and distracting from Trump's bigger agenda. The "ask", according to Comey, was to tell the press that Trump was NOT under investigation (which he wasn't). It was FEINSTEIN (D) who characterized it as a request to stop the investigation.

4) There were other politics going on. Comey was also told by Loretta Lynch - apparently more directly than with an expressed "hope" - to call the Hillary investigation a "matter" instead of an investigation.

Comey knew for a fact that at least one story printed about Trump was false, but chose not to correct it. He also chose not to investigate who leaked it.

It was only after he was fired did Comey suddenly realize that maybe he WAS pressured, after all.

But outside of this testimony, before his dismissal he said he was NOT experiencing interference in the investigation, and according to statements given by the current investigators, they're not experiencing any pressure either.

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So far, I don't see any...

1) Evidence about Russian hacking, just assertions, suppositions, and private-party "information" which was never independently investigated or validated

2) "Collusion" between the Trump campaign and "Russia", although one former Cabinet member is under investigation

3) Enough evidence to make "obstruction of justice", since it has a fairly high bar to meet. All I've seen is Comey's hurt feelings changed outlook since his dismissal, at odds with his earlier statement that he WASN'T experiencing any pressure, and current investigators that nobody is interfering with them either. So, maybe the problem really is just Comey.

4) However, the Comey was not treating all serious crimes equally seriously.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 8:44 AM

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Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more. Trump said:

“[Rosenstein] made a recommendation, but regardless of recommendation I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it,” Trump said. “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should have won.’”
www.factcheck.org/2017/05/trump-fire-comey/

Trump has an emotional problem with his election being questioned, doesn't he?

Trump is angry that Special Counsel Robert Mueller was appointed by Rosenstein because Comney was fired. Mueller will not be giving Trump any updates until the investigation into Russia is done. An emotionally distraught Trump might fire Mueller just because it feels right.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/05/special_coun
sel_robert_mueller_was_born_and_bred_to_torment_donald_trump.html

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I have to say that you (JO, SECOND, SHINY, and GSTRING) aren't bothering to get the facts. As usual.

. . .
So far, I don't see any...

1) Evidence about Russian hacking, just assertions, suppositions, and private-party "information" which was never independently investigated or validated

2) "Collusion" between the Trump campaign and "Russia", although one former Cabinet member is under investigation

3) Enough evidence to make "obstruction of justice", since it has a fairly high bar to meet. All I've seen is Comey's hurt feelings changed outlook since his dismissal, at odds with his earlier statement that he WASN'T experiencing any pressure, and current investigators that nobody is interfering with them either. So, maybe the problem really is just Comey.

4) However, the Comey was not treating all serious crimes equally seriously.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:44 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.

Maybe he fired Comey because Comey was the guy who could come out and say to the world that Trump was not currently being investigated by the FBI, yet he refused to do it.

Maybe he fired Comey because he was the head of the organization that has been leaking information like a sieve to the MSM for months. Well... everything except for the fact that Trump wasn't under investigation.

I would have fired him too.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.

Maybe he fired Comey because Comey was the guy who could come out and say to the world that Trump was not currently being investigated by the FBI, yet he refused to do it.

Maybe he fired Comey because he was the head of the organization that has been leaking information like a sieve to the MSM for months. Well... everything except for the fact that Trump wasn't under investigation.

I would have fired him too.

Comey is a side show. The real drama is how Trump reacts to Mueller. Whatever the real reason for Trump firing Comey, Trump's interaction with Mueller will tell the world whether or not Trump wants Russia investigated.

If Trump makes a stink, refuses to turn over documents, makes disparaging remarks about Mueller, even tweets about Mueller, goes too far by firing Mueller, cuts back Mueller's budget, it means Trump does not want Mueller to finish the investigation into Russia.

Any Congressional investigations mean less than nothing because the Republicans controlling those inquiries are simply pretending to do the job. There is no reason to believe they are unprejudiced seekers of truth, neutral about Russia.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:23 AM

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Comey is a side show.

He wasn't last week. He was the great vindicator that was going to unmask Trump for the treasonous Russia collaborator you all knew he was.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:48 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
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Originally posted by second:
Comey is a side show.
He wasn't last week. He was the great vindicator that was going to unmask Trump for the treasonous Russia collaborator you all knew he was.

The GOP had already made up its collective mind last year, long before Comey spoke.

The FBI chief he fired called the president a liar, but the response from many Republicans was a collective shrug. The GOP still needs Donald Trump if it has any hope of accomplishing its legislative agenda and winning elections, and it's going to take more than James Comey's testimony to shake them.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Friday boasted of the GOP's accomplishments under Trump thus far, and promised more to come, making no mention of Comey in a speech. A group of House conservatives discussed taxes and the budget, with no reference to Comey or the federal investigations into Russia's election meddling and possible collusion with the Trump campaign.

Elsewhere, there were few outward signs of concern from the top Republican officials, donors and business leaders who gathered largely behind closed doors in Park City, Utah, for a conference hosted by former presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

"The people in this room, who give money to the Republican Party and who are focused on helping get Republicans elected, they do it because they believe in an agenda," Spencer Zwick, House Speaker Paul Ryan's fundraising chief, said in an interview. As for the Comey testimony, "there's nothing we can do about it," Zwick said.

It all underscored what's become a hardening dynamic of the Trump presidency: Republicans on Capitol Hill and off are mostly sticking with the president despite the mounting scandals and seemingly endless crises that surround him.

Though some are privately concerned, and frustration is regularly voiced about the president's undisciplined administration and the distractions he creates, Republicans have scant incentive to abandon him now. Trump's signature remains key to the still-nascent GOP agenda, and he has the ability to appoint judges to lifetime appointments, a thrilling prospect for conservatives.

And, despite Trump's low approval ratings nationally, his core base of supporters remains firmly behind him. Those voters will be key to the GOP's success in next year's midterms when Republicans will be defending a fragile majority in the House and looking to pick up seats in the Senate, thanks to a favorable map that has a large group of Democratic incumbents up for re-election in states that voted for Trump.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-shrugs-off-comey-revelations-stick
s-with-trump/ar-BBCnzNm?li=BBmkt5R&ocid

Republicans won't abandon Trump, no matter what Mueller finds or Comey says before election day, Tuesday, November 6 2018, because that will screw up their plans. Don't change horses in midstream -- Abe Lincoln
www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/115400.html

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:08 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.- SECOND

And yet ... the investigation goes on!

SECOND should have known that FBI investigations don't shut down when the director leaves or is fired. That's because the director isn't conducting the investigations, it's staff.

Next?

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If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by second:
...and it's going to take more than James Comey's testimony to shake them.

Yes it will. Especially when there was nothing in James Comey's testimony was particularly damning of Trump.

Whiny opinions and coulda, woulda, shoulda's from a coward who made the wrong decision every step of the way and got himself fired don't count as anything substantial.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 12:25 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Trump fired Comey before Comey could come to any conclusion about the 4 subjects listed by Signym. Trump didn't want Russia investigated more.- SECOND
And yet ... the investigation goes on!

SECOND should have known that FBI investigations don't shut down when the director leaves or is fired. That's because the director isn't conducting the investigations, it's staff.

Next?

You moved to "Next" too fast. Did you forget Robert Mueller? He would not have been appointed if Comey had not been fired. Your understanding misses all the most important information. I expect Trump to fire Mueller, too. That is the most straightforward way to shutdown the investigation. Give Trump a few months to build his outrage at Mueller asking for documents, Trump refusing, and the firing will seem inevitable.
www.thenation.com/article/all-eyes-are-now-on-robert-mueller/

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:15 PM

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Originally posted by second:]"You know, this Russia thing..."

Actually he sez "this Rusher thing".

I suspect its a childhood mispronunsiation sins I dont think he'z from an area with the r adding dialect, like New England. I coud be rong, there are bunchez uv dialects in New York.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:27 PM

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I fear that you are correct, 2nd. The GoPs hav repeatedly found lower depths to sink to after I thot theyd hit bottom.

Russian tanks will be parked on the Wite House lawn befor they finally think they need to dial down the party loyalty and turn their patriotizm back on. Too late.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 2:11 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by JO753:
I fear that you are correct, 2nd. The GoPs hav repeatedly found lower depths to sink to after I thot theyd hit bottom.

Russian tanks will be parked on the Wite House lawn befor they finally think they need to dial down the party loyalty and turn their patriotizm back on. Too late.

Trump might not fire Mueller this year since Mueller works so slowly. Trump will have years before anything official comes out about Russia from Mueller's office, although if there are leaks, Trump might get enraged and fire Mueller early. No one knows, not even Trump, what Trump will do:

"Bob Mueller's investigation is just beginning," says Kevin Andrew Chambers, white collar partner at Latham & Watkins and former Assistant US Attorney in DC. "It is far too early for anyone to speculate where he will end up and folks should get comfortable with the fact that it could be a couple years before he reports his findings. Remember, he is a career prosecutor. His focus will be on accumulating and reviewing the entire body of evidence rather than fixating on any one document, witness, or event."

www.cnn.com/2017/06/10/politics/robert-mueller-russia-investigation-te
am/index.html

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 4:01 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Trump will have years before anything official comes out about Russia

If indeed there IS anything to come out.

And despite all the leaks, the moaning, the histrionics, the many, many. MANY unsubstantiated claims that have been spun into mountains of fluff like cotton candy - nothing substantive has been revealed to date.

You just can't wait for evidence to validate that your beliefs have some basis in reality, can you SECOND?

Well, I hope you enjoy your stay in loony land, with the rest of the unhinged deluded. Just don't stay too long, or it'll become your permanent residence.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 5:04 PM

Yep J0. It's party loyalty. That's why I was so supportive of almost everything GWB did.

Comey didn't fail at exposing Trump's "ties" with Russia. It turns out he wasn't even investigating Trump's ties with Russia. Rachel Maddow and your boy Olbermann kept saying he was, and he would, but even you admitted the day before the testimony that it wasn't going to be the bombshell that the Left has been looking for.

Time to show some evidence. Because at this point, yes... It would take Russian tanks on the White House lawn for me to believe it. People should go back to their lives instead of MSM conspiracy theories.

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:04 PM

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You moved to "Next" too fast. Did you forget Robert Mueller? He would not have been appointed if Comey had not been fired.

Another stupidity from SECOND.
Guess what? THE FBI INVESTIGATION CONTINUES, WITH OR WITHOUT MUELLER.

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"The Russia investigation will continue," says a former FBI cybercrimes investigator, who spoke with WIRED on the condition of anonymity. "The director doesn’t run the investigation, the assistant director doesn’t run it, the unit chiefs don’t run it. There's a case agent or a series of case agents assigned to run it all the way through."

That means that, at least until Congress approves Comey's replacement, the investigation should continue undaunted

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/trump-firing-fbi-director-comey-wont-slo
w-russia-investigation-yet/

Until or unless the FBI investigation is shut down by Comey's replacement ... much like Comey shut down the Hillary investigation ... it goes on.

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Your understanding misses all the most important information. - SECOND

Such as??? Do tell!
Your statement is ironic, considering that is comes from such a profound lack of understanding.

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I expect Trump to fire Mueller, too. That is the most straightforward way to shutdown the investigation. Give Trump a few months to build his outrage at Mueller asking for documents, Trump refusing, and the firing will seem inevitable. -SECOND

IF this is the "important information" that I missed, that statement isn't "information", it's "speculation". Just OOC, SECOND, if your speculation doesn't come true, will you admit that you were wrong and change a single jot of any of your prejudices?

I doubt it.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:10 PM

Second would never admit to being wrong about anything. Whenever I've caught him in something he can't get out of he either stops posting on the thread for a few weeks or he replies with something completely unrelated.

Hard to miss the downplaying of the importance of Comey's testimony and the FBI investigation of Trump now that we know that there was no investigation and his testimony actually did more potential damage to the Democratic Party instead of putting Trump's head on a pike.

Paging Loretta Lynch...

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:21 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

One of the interesting things about this whole "Russia"-obsession is the incredibly unbalanced view that liberals and democrat take of this.

They get all in a panic about the fact that some computer in Alfa Bank "pinged" a server in Trump Tower .... and, to let you know how meaningless that is, it's the equivalent of dialing a phone number just to make sure that you get a ring at the other end ... but those 33,000 "private" emails on Hillary's unsecured server? Overlooked.

They chase phantoms, as described by "anonymous sources" who may or may not be honest or accurate, to confabulate some sort of "security risk" from a concoction of speculation, lies, and leaks, but Hillary's handing over control of 20% of USA uranium to Russia? ... well, it's invisible.

It seems to me that if everyone is so all-fired concerned about our security and wants to see our intelligence agencies crawl up everyone's anus in DC, maybe one place to crawl would be Hillary's. It's just a damn shame that the FBI and the DOJ "botched" the evidence-gathering and immunity-granting so thoroughly that righting the effort would be a monumental task. It's almost as if THEY were obstructing justice. Another set of anuses to crawl up would be the leakers'.

Just describing the comparative security risks makes me realize how driven this is by a fear-mongering media, and politics. 99% of the effort is going into a 10% risk. That's stupid.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:36 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Saturday, June 10, 2017 9:34 PM

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The fact that they have found PLENTY is why there are 5 investigations. Swing and a miss! Again! Keep trying! At least Jack is listening.

Eventually you'll learn that I'm listening to the right sources. Or maybe you won't.

You said I was stupid for not watching any news from either side, yet I was right about Trump becoming president and I was right again about the Russia investigation.

I actually have watched the testimony several times now. That actually happened. How much "coverage" of the testimony and opinion pieces by embarrassed MSM talking heads have you watched in the last 2 days?

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:43 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Trump will have years before anything official comes out about Russia
If indeed there IS anything to come out.

And despite all the leaks, the moaning, the histrionics, the many, many. MANY unsubstantiated claims that have been spun into mountains of fluff like cotton candy - nothing substantive has been revealed to date.

You just can't wait for evidence to validate that your beliefs have some basis in reality, can you SECOND?

Well, I hope you enjoy your stay in loony land, with the rest of the unhinged deluded. Just don't stay too long, or it'll become your permanent residence.

Once upon a time, 1kiki, you wanted Bernie for President. Now you are defending Trump, the GOP, and Russia against the accusations of the rest of the World. You have fallen a very long way from your previous role as a Lefty. Maybe you were always faking your love for the policies, personality and the soul of Bernie Sanders? Maybe you were simply trolling, always?

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 7:56 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Second would never admit to being wrong about anything. Whenever I've caught him in something he can't get out of he either stops posting on the thread for a few weeks or he replies with something completely unrelated.

Hard to miss the downplaying of the importance of Comey's testimony and the FBI investigation of Trump now that we know that there was no investigation and his testimony actually did more potential damage to the Democratic Party instead of putting Trump's head on a pike.

Paging Loretta Lynch...

You got lost in the wilderness and I'm not going on a search party to find you and bring you back. You are too much work and not enough benefit for me to change your mind. But you should know that when Comey calls Trump a liar and Trump calls Comey a liar, it is Trump that is the liar. Trump’s version of the story does not make sense.
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/06/trump_s
_claims_that_comey_lied_under_oath_put_him_in_a_pickle.html

Trump has told many lies in the past and has gone to court to prove he wasn't lying. He lost, but only after years of litigation. This will be more of the same.
www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:17 AM

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:54 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Trump will have years before anything official comes out about Russia- SECOND

If indeed there IS anything to come out. And despite all the leaks, the moaning, the histrionics, the many, many. MANY unsubstantiated claims that have been spun into mountains of fluff like cotton candy - nothing substantive has been revealed to date.
You just can't wait for evidence to validate that your beliefs have some basis in reality, can you SECOND?
Well, I hope you enjoy your stay in loony land, with the rest of the unhinged deluded. Just don't stay too long, or it'll become your permanent residence. - KIKI

Once upon a time, 1kiki, you wanted Bernie for President. Now you are defending Trump, the GOP, and Russia against the accusations of the rest of the World. You have fallen a very long way from your previous role as a Lefty. Maybe you were always faking your love for the policies, personality and the soul of Bernie Sanders? Maybe you were simply trolling, always?- SECOND

MORE histrionics, moaning, unsubstantiated claims spun into mountains of fluff ...

KIKI isn't "defending Trump", you dolt, KIKI is arguing against mass-manufactured hyperventilating hysteria.

"The rest of the world"??? India and Pakistan just joined the SCO military alliance - yanno, WITH RUSSIA. This tempest in a teapot is not even on their agenda.

That's pretty self-important if you, wouldn't you say, SECOND? Yes, of course it it. Making mountains of molehills seems to be your specialty. Well, I guess everyone's got to be good at SOMEthing!

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

JO, the reason why this thread has gotten so much traction is because the title promises, once and for all, to show some real EVIDENCE of .... something.

Well, not only have you not defined your concerns, you've twisted the definition of evidence to mean anything you want it to mean ... and still, you've failed to come up with anything on Trump's so-called collusion with Russia.

And despite actual testimony from a fired employee who has shown himself to be enmeshed in political partisanship and who has every reason to be disgruntled, there is STILL no "there" there!

You're right- despite the title's promise of "evidens" there's nothing to see here. Except for a detailed analysis of Comey's testimony - which BTW I posted a link to, so you all would have every oppty to study it for yourselves - I, personally, will be moving along. You're just another disappointing wanna-be.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

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Sunday, June 11, 2017 9:21 AM