A thread for Democrats Only by THGRRI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

There were two whole years when democrats had control of Congress and the WH. That would have been an opportune time for them to show how much they cared about the average American worker.

But Obama showed who he REALLY cared about pleasing when his administration prosecuted no one significant for the meltdown, and then shoveled money as fast as possible to financialism while leaving average Americans to twist in the wind.

He couldn't even put his MOUTH behind the pretense of caring ... let alone reform an economy that's been crushing working Americans for decades.

That's the difference between democrats and Trump - and even Trump and republicans. Trump says the economic emperor has no clothes.

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 6:03 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

But Obama showed who he REALLY cared about pleasing when his administration prosecuted no one significant for the meltdown, and then shoveled money as fast as possible to financialism while leaving average Americans to twist in the wind.

He couldn't even put his MOUTH behind the pretense of caring ... let alone reform an economy that's been crushing working Americans for decades.

That's the difference between democrats and Trump - and even Trump and republicans. Trump says the economic emperor has no clothes.

1kiki. you are kidding. President Obama had a majority that was only filibuster proof for a period of 72 working days while the Senate was actually in session. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

It was less than "72 days". One of Obama's so-called 60 members of his filibuster proof Senators was Joe Lieberman, who actually quit the Democrats and had been elected by the "CT for Lieberman" party because Joe had lost in the Democratic primary. Lieberman famously screwed over the Democrats during the drafting of Obamacare.

Another of Obama's so-called 60 Democratic Senators was Senator Arlen Specter, who switched from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party on April 28, 2009. Specter was still a Republican in everything but name.

How did Obama lose his 60 nominally Democratic Senators, which he must have to get around the stonewall of the GOP? The April 2009 party switch of Pennsylvania senator Arlen Specter from Republican to Democrat and the July 2009 resolution of the Minnesota election in favor of Democrat Al Franken increased the Democratic majority to 60–40. Republicans gained a seat in a January 2010 special election in Massachusetts, making the balance 59-41 before the start of the next election cycle. AT THAT POINT, UNTIL THE END OF OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO PASS ANY LAW THE GOP OBJECTED TO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_United_States_Senate_elections

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:10 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.
You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?

MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/
There you go again with the insinuation that Obama could change the minimum wage without Congress. The GOP Senators stood in his way, making sure it did not go up. If Biden becomes President, the GOP Senators will still be there stopping the minimum wage from being raised to $15 per hour.

As for www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/ -- You know wages are set by people like me. If we want to pay only $20 per hour on average, which is well above minimum, we can keep it at $20 for decades with inflation actually slowly eroding what $20 is worth. It's like a stealthy pay decrease. The Federal Reserve knows what the top 1 Percenters are doing and as long as there are 34 or more GOP Senators, we cannot be stopped:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uOsx

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2018/02/are-wages-increasing-or-decrea
sing/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Exactly as I said on the last post of the previous page that people may have missed:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Stop yourself for just a second, 1kiki. Please go look intensely at just the minimum wage. Come up with your own theory of why it has been stuck at one number since July 24, 2009.
You tell me - who was president in 2009? 2010? 2011? 2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?

MEANWHILE - why did the wages decline during Obama's presidency?

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

Queue Second bitching about Republicans in Congress.

Because he uses the same cop out every time he's asked about this.

And honestly, if he gives a single shit about this issue (which he doesn't) it makes me wonder why he even cares about Biden being elected since it's not going to change the minimum wage at all and in the alternate timeline where Biden wins the minimum wage isn't going to change in any meaningful way anyhow and he'd just use the same excuse for the next 4 to 8 years.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Second did not disappoint.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, August 27, 2020 11:47 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Second did not disappoint.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I figured out what is wrong with 6ix, 1kiki, and Signym. You three are the political science equivalent of a Flat Earther. Here is a real physicist talking seriously about the Flat Earth "Science" -- Wrong, but not Stupid. You should listen to it and learn how smart people can be very wrong yet it is impossible to change their minds with words:

"The world looks flat, the bottoms of clouds are flat, the movement of the Sun; these are all examples of your senses telling you that we do not live on a spherical heliocentric world. This is using what's called an empirical approach, or an approach that relies on information from your senses." - www.tfes.org

You will love the section called "Astronomy is a Pseudoscience". All those telescopes in the world or in orbit? That is NOT science according to the Flat Earth Society.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Astronomy_is_a_Pseudoscience
"Astronomy does not, and can not, follow the Scientific Method; which is an empirical method of inquiry which demands that hypothesis is tested with experiment. The astronomer cannot put the stars under controlled experimental conditions to demonstrate ideas and come to the truth of a matter, as a chemist can do with his or her materials. The astronomer can only observe and interpret—a scientific fallacy which hinders truth and progress."

"No man knows the ultimate shape of the earth, but that portion we live on is definitely flat. No one will ever know what the whole complexity is like, I suppose, because it goes beyond his sphere of observation, investigation and comprehension." – Samuel Shenton

"I don't think there is solid proof the earth is round. I'm not intentionally being stubborn about it, but I feel our senses tell us these things, and it would take an extraordinary level of evidence to counteract those. How many people have actually investigated it? Have you?" – Daniel Shenton

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 2:49 AM

^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.

Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:32 AM

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:46 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.

Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

33% of Americans are Republicans. 33% of Americans are unsure the world is round.

www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american
-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/

YouGov polled 8,215 US adults on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round.

Why so many people believe the Earth is flat and NASA is in on the 'conspiracy'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/many-people-believe-earth-flat-2
1592454
As part of an ongoing attempt to prove that the Earth is flat, he shot off into the sky on a steam-powered homemade rocket aiming to reach 5,000ft, the very edge of space, before returning to the Earth with some kind of evidence that had apparently eluded scientists thus far. Unfortunately, Mr Morris did in fact return to Earth but, as his parachute had failed to deploy correctly, he was killed. Before his death, Mr Morris said, “I just want people to question everything. Question what your congressman is doing, your city council. Question what really happened during the Civil War. What happened during 9/11.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:48 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

I am certain that the GOP will oppose in the Senate the following:

How to decarbonize America — and create 25 million jobs

The US has the technology to decarbonize by 2035. Here’s a plan to do it.

The point is that America has enough renewable resources such that we could probably keep exactly the same lifestyles, and if we do it all electrically, we can do it at half the energy. And we can produce all of that energy cleanly, domestically in America.

Today, if you’re paying about 10 cents per kilowatt-hour for electricity and putting it into an electric car, that’s about two or three cents per mile. If you’re paying two or three dollars a gallon for gasoline into an equivalent-sized car, you’re paying more like 15 cents a mile for the fuel. So you’re saving more than 10 cents for every mile you’re driving with an electric vehicle.

We do need to focus very clearly on keeping the cost of the electricity low. If we look around, there is proof that that can be done. Australia has very successfully run policies and utility regulation that has enabled rooftop solar in Australia to cost about six or seven cents per kilowatt-hour, cheaper than basically any utility in America can deliver. So there is a future where the cheapest energy that you can use will be the solar. (I’m paying 8.0 cents per kilowatt-hour for 100% renewable from Green Energy Exchange https://getgex.com )

More at www.vox.com/podcasts/2020/8/27/21403184/saul-griffith-ezra-klein-show-
solve-climate-change-green-new-deal-rewiring-america

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 9:32 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
^ This entire post is based off of an erroneous belief that Second's opinion is universally accepted and scientifically backed.

Not only are neither of those things true, but both of them could be said about his own opinions.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
33% of Americans are Republicans. 33% of Americans are unsure the world is round.

www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2018/04/04/only-two-thirds-of-american
-millennials-believe-the-earth-is-round/

YouGov polled 8,215 US adults on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round.

Why so many people believe the Earth is flat and NASA is in on the 'conspiracy'
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/many-people-believe-earth-flat-2
1592454
As part of an ongoing attempt to prove that the Earth is flat, he shot off into the sky on a steam-powered homemade rocket aiming to reach 5,000ft, the very edge of space, before returning to the Earth with some kind of evidence that had apparently eluded scientists thus far. Unfortunately, Mr Morris did in fact return to Earth but, as his parachute had failed to deploy correctly, he was killed. Before his death, Mr Morris said, “I just want people to question everything. Question what your congressman is doing, your city council. Question what really happened during the Civil War. What happened during 9/11.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

^ False Dichotomy

https://wiki.c2.com/?FalseDichotomy

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 2:06 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

^ False Dichotomy

https://wiki.c2.com/?FalseDichotomy

Do Right, Be Right. :)

The Flat Earthers also screech about False Dichotomies, thinking of themselves as very sophisticated people who realized that astronomers are not scientific because they have performed no experiments to prove the Earth is round, at least not proof that Flat Earthers will accept. Republicans are still the political science equivalent of Flat Earthers who, being extremely sophisticated people, refuse to accept proof that doesn't meet their exacting criteria.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 2:34 PM

Dude, quit pretending you're anywhere on my level.

You're a retard that's hardly capable of even typing.

Everything you say and everything you do is bullshit. Your life is meaningless. You are a waste of carbon, and you insult me by breathing the same air that I do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, August 28, 2020 5:11 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Dude, quit pretending you're anywhere on my level.

You're a retard that's hardly capable of even typing.

Everything you say and everything you do is bullshit. Your life is meaningless. You are a waste of carbon, and you insult me by breathing the same air that I do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Jacks about as smart as this guy.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:31 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Dude, quit pretending you're anywhere on my level.

You're a retard that's hardly capable of even typing.

Everything you say and everything you do is bullshit. Your life is meaningless. You are a waste of carbon, and you insult me by breathing the same air that I do.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Jacks about as smart as this guy.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

Homo sapiens have been around for 315,000 years or more. For most of that time, humans weren't accomplishing much. If I had to speculate why so little material progress was made in prehistory, or why so many Republicans I know in Texas don't prosper, I'd say that it was not because ancient humans or today's Republicans have weak, primitive brains in their heads, but that the ideas in our heads have held humanity back and made 6ix's life less rewarding.

When Did Homo Sapiens First Appear?
www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/when-did-homo-sapiens-first-appe
ar
The oldest Homo sapiens fossils that anthropologists have found thus far date to around 315,000 years ago. That means we can say that modern humans are at least that old. But our lineage likely extends further back in time — we just don’t have the fossils to prove it.

DNA evidence drawn from comparisons of different human genomes, as well as those of close cousins like Neanderthals and Denisovans, put the split between the three groups at at least 400,000 years ago. So it’s possible that H. sapiens is over half a million years old.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
There were two whole years when democrats had control of Congress and the WH.

Please stop repeating that stupid, debunked lie. It just makes you look even dumber, if that's possible.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/article/20120909/NEWS/309099447

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:45 PM

Ex-OANN Reporter Emily Miller Out as FDA Spokeswoman After Just 11 Days on the Job
https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-oann-reporter-emily-miller-fired-as-f
da-spokeswoman-after-just-11-days-on-the-job

That didn't last long. Oh well, she'll find another grift.

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Friday, August 28, 2020 7:57 PM

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Friday, August 28, 2020 8:17 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
There were two whole years when democrats had control of Congress and the WH.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Please stop repeating that stupid, debunked lie. It just makes you look even dumber, if that's possible.
https://www.beaconjournal.com/article/20120909/NEWS/309099447]

Remember Harry Reid? "Harry Reid ... was the Senate Majority Leader from 2007 to 2015." Wikipedia

Yanno, THAT Harry Reid - the human-shaped marshmallow that NEVER ONCE got up on its hind legs to make the republicans actually - what's that word - filibuster?

Nope. Democratic Senators just shrugged their shoulders and all agreed collect their paychecks and go home quietly without making any effort at all - let alone use the filibuster as an ongoing tactic so republicans would make a major spectacle of themselves.

And Obama was fine with it. And why not? DEMOCRATS REALLY DIDN'T CARE ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY EFFORT AT ALL.

Yep. Obama's first year as president was the year his approval rating dropped from 68% to 48% AND NEVER RECOVERED because of all the things he DIDN'T do, and all the things he DID do that were the opposite of getting justice for the average worker - failure to prosecute banksters (he actually protected them), putting the government is deep debt by endlessly shoveling money at financialism, and his failure to protect home owners.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chickenshit-club_n_5963fcc6e4b005b0fdc7
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How Obama’s Failure To Prosecute Wall Street Set The Stage For Trump’s Win
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_app
roval-1044.html
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/23/untouchables-wal
l-street-prosecutions-obama

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

ETA: RF I find it interesting that you're such a radical you're ready to endorse violence ... and yet you can't find it in your heart to criticize Obama democrats for failing to perform the simplest legislative tactics.

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:25 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

ETA: RF I find it interesting that you're such a radical you're ready to endorse violence ... and yet you can't find it in your heart to criticize Obama democrats for failing to perform the simplest legislative tactics.

If you think Obama had the power to punish the bankers, you have never litigated a complex case. Any banker who could afford a competent legal team could have kept the Federal Court System tied in knots for decades. I'll give you a simple legislative tactic that bypasses the slow court system: GOP Senators should threaten to remove Trump from office if he breaks a law. That can't be used on bankers, but can be used on Presidents and is brutally fast if the Senate wants it to be.

In that contest between President and the GOP Senators, the Winner is always Donald Trump

That the president of the United States chose to stage his convention speech at the White House as a flagrant violation of the Hatch Act is on some level not important.

But maybe it’s the most important thing of all.

In the earliest days of his political career it was often said Trump wouldn’t really run for president, because if he did he would “have to” release his tax returns and engage in other forms of financial disclosure. As a candidate, even Trump himself claimed to believe he would “have to” divest himself from control over his operating companies. And in the early days of his administration, he would frequently be told that on the small number of policy issues he did care about, there were various legal or constitutional reasons he couldn’t do what he wanted to do.

But as his first term enters its final months, it’s now clear to everyone that none of that is true. If I earnestly wrote that it is bad that the president of the United States is in a position to collect cash bribes in unlimited quantities through his hotels and opaque network of shell companies, I’d be laughed out of the room as hopelessly naive and a tedious bore to boot. The smart set of DC journalists who set the political agenda declared days ago that the Hatch Act is something real people don’t care about, so the same television networks that devoted more time to Hillary Clinton’s emails than all policy issues combined in 2016 feel free to ignore it.

Fundamentally, the American system of government depends on the supposition that a president’s co-partisans in Congress will be bothered by lawbreaking — especially lawbreaking that has no ideological purpose. What congressional Republicans learned about themselves in this year’s impeachment process is that they aren’t actually bothered. And now Trump knows that they know this. And they know that Trump knows that they know it. So in essence, the gloves are off, the rule of law is dead, and we’re simply left with the question of whether or not Trump’s illegal orders are followed.

Sure, Trump’s finishing speech was long, tedious, and poorly delivered. But he also used the convention to broadcast a series of blatant lies about his administration’s competency, largely uninterrupted, for 10-plus hours over the course of four nights.

And while the theme Trump pushed all week, on the side of police and law and order, could have come across flat — much like his “immigrants are coming to kill you” argument did in 2018 — events in Kenosha, Wisconsin, made the message suddenly relevant, and some Democrats are newly worried at the prospect of a Trump reelection.

For a political neophyte often caricatured by both his foes and his allies as somewhat dimwitted, it’s genuinely an impressive achievement, and it’ll be his no matter what the outcome in November.

www.vox.com/2020/8/28/21404956/winners-and-losers-rnc

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:36 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I see you had to step in for your alternate persona who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - since you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:56 AM

The problem comrade kiki has SECOND. Is that the majority of Americans and the world thinks Obama was a great President. I'd say that negates any complaints she has about him.

As Trumps Presidency unfolds. Kiki finds different ways to deflect away any and all, mayhem in the streets due to Trump. Any and all, harm to our relations with our allies. Any and all, of his stupid foreign policy decisions and pandering to dictators. Any and all, of his attempts to dismantle our democratic institutions. Any and all, of his complete disregard for the rule of law. Any and all, of his trolling tweet attacks against good and honorable people. Any and all, of his thousands upon thousands of lies.

The list of Trumps any and all’s is endless. So I'll just say; all the different ways comrade kiki finds to defend him shows who she is. It also shows the issues she complains about are completely and thoroughly disingenuous. She has no real concerns, other than Trump staying in the White House.

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 9:23 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 9:43 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

Nope, the Parmenter's of any topic is what the title says they are to be. "A thread for Democrats Only." Topics are to be confined to what democrats want to discuss. Not Russian trolls. Take it from me. I created the thread comrade. So shoo...

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Saturday, August 29, 2020 9:53 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

And yet here you are, an avowed independent posting in "A thread for Democrats Only", who doesn't want a registered democrat to opine on democrats.

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Sunday, August 30, 2020 7:33 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

I see you had to step in for your comrade who very obviously couldn't address the issue - by trying to derail the topic - though you can't seem to address it either.

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

You might want to look at the $trillions that got spent to help people out of work this year. For Democrats, they were helping those who are out of work. For the GOP, the money was to reelect Trump. Then the GOP decided Trump had not gotten a boost from all the spending, so the Senate killed $3 trillion more spending on the unemployed by the House of Representatives Democrats. www.cnn.com/2020/06/04/politics/coronavirus-stimulus-relief-money/inde
x.html

1kiki, over all those decades, don't you remember a least one damn thing about Obamacare, Medicare, Social Security, Minimum Wage, Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? Over the last 4 decades it was Democrats making those better or preventing Republicans from doing away with them completely. When Republicans are in ascendancy, they tried to kill each or, if that is not possible, make each of them worse by suing or placing incompetent administrators in charge. Sometimes the GOP succeeded in making things worse. The GOP has certainly put in their maximum effort. Just look at Obamacare, where the GOP has gone to crazy lengths to sabotage it. Go ahead and read one article, 1kiki, and try for once in your life to understand politics:

Opposition to Obamacare Becomes Political Liability for GOP Incumbents
https://khn.org/news/opposition-to-obamacare-becomes-political-liabili
ty-for-gop-incumbents/

How crazy are the Republicans? This crazy: GOP Aims To Kill Obamacare Yet Again After Failing 70 Times
www.newsweek.com/gop-health-care-bill-repeal-and-replace-70-failed-att
empts-643832

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Fact of the Day: Manufacturing as a % of the Workforce, 1985-2020

Margaret Sullivan notes today that fact checking has outlived its usefulness:

As scholars have observed, calling out falsehoods forcefully may actually cause people to hold tighter to their beliefs. That’s the “backfire effect” that academics Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler wrote about in their study “When Corrections Fail” about the persistence of political misperceptions: “Direct factual contradictions can actually strengthen ideologically grounded factual beliefs.”

Fact checking has always been a mug’s game. Politicians discovered long ago that they could say anything they wanted no matter how obviously wrong it was and it would do them no harm. Any fact checking would be seen by a tiny fraction of the audience that saw the original claim, so lies were net positives no matter how upset fact checkers got about them.

Donald Trump has taken this to its logical conclusion, where he practically invents a whole different reality, but fact checking has little impact even on this. At this point, virtually everyone already believes that either (a) the media hates Trump and calls everything he says a lie, or (b) Trump lies all the time.

This is why I favor a sort of “Fact of the Day” approach to this. That is, short blurbs that simply display something in the news without reference to anything Trump has said. Like this:

Sure, Trump’s claim is false that he’s been great for manufacturing. But there’s no need to say that, which immediately loses half your audience. Just show the facts with minimal comment. Manufacturing’s share of the workforce has been declining since 1946 and it continues to decline to this day. Then let people draw their own conclusions.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/fact-of-the-day-manufacturing-a
s-a-of-the-workforce-1985-2020/

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uWpx

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Monday, August 31, 2020 6:30 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

A crisp and short example of the difference between Democrats and Republicans: $600 a week

Republicans were not happy. The whole thing was too big. They were particularly displeased with a Democratic proposal to expand unemployment benefits by $600 a week, which meant some unemployed workers would collect more in benefits than they had earned while working.

Mr. Mnuchin wasn’t thrilled, either, but he gave in to Democrats to speed the bill through the House. He told Republicans that it wasn’t technically feasible to tailor the size of the unemployment benefit to a worker’s previous wages.

For a while, that looked like it might be a deal breaker for Republicans. The stock market seesawed along with the perceived odds of a deal. By Friday, March 20, the S&P 500 index was down 34 percent from its February peak — below where it was when Mr. Trump took office.

Mr. Mnuchin spent the weekend working the phones, with 49 phone calls on Sunday alone, including to influential Republican senators. “We need to get this deal done today,” he told Mr. Cramer on CNBC on Monday.

Republican senators slowly got on board, fearful of the fallout if they were seen as blocking a rescue package. The Senate passed the bill, markets soared, and Mr. Trump signed the $2.2 trillion CARES Act.

At a news conference, the president declared himself pleased with “our great secretary of the Treasury.” He added, “He’s a fantastic guy and he loves our country, and he’s been dealing with both sides — Republican and Democrat.”

But Republicans were furious with Mr. Mnuchin. The $600-per-week unemployment benefit was a particular sore spot.

Much more about the difference between Democrats and Republicans at www.nytimes.com/2020/08/30/business/steven-mnuchin-trump-economy.html

or

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steven-mnuchin-tried-to-save-the-econo
my-not-even-his-family-is-happy/ar-BB18w5FW

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Monday, August 31, 2020 6:52 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hey lookatthat! Trump stopped the hemorrhaging! I didn't realize he was that successful!

No wonder his approval rating is as sturdy as it is!

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Monday, August 31, 2020 10:30 AM

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Monday, August 31, 2020 10:36 AM

Your lack of self awareness is astounding, Ted.

One of the largest perpetrators of gaslighting I've had the displeasure of knowing in my life, yet you still don't even know what that word means.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 31, 2020 9:37 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Hey lookatthat! Trump stopped the hemorrhaging! I didn't realize he was that successful!

You better look again. Go to Federal Reserve and run your cursor along the graph at: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=uWpx

Trump's failure to bring factory jobs back to America still cost a fortune. The price of failure is the Cost of Tariffs

Like most taxes, tariffs on goods and services get passed along to consumers in the form of higher prices. The cost of these tariffs has amounted to a steady $300 per household per year, adjusted for inflation, since the Reagan era, but that changed two years ago when President Trump imposed an array of new tariffs on foreign goods. American households now pay an average of $700 each in tariffs, more than double what they’ve paid under previous administrations.

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2020/08/fact-of-the-day-the-cos
t-of-tariffs/

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:05 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Hmmm ...would you rather pay $400 over a year (a bit over a buck a day) and have a job making $25K a year ... or save the $400 and not work at all??

Yeah, it's a tough choice.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 1:08 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

democrats, democrats, democrats ...

California to Set Up Task Force to Examine Slavery Reparations
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/08/30/california
-to-set-up-task-force-to-examine-slavery-reparations-n865355

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:35 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

Mister Working Class, why are you so glum?

"I am glum because I have a $300 Payday Loan - Bi-Weekly Consumer Disclosure from Speedycash. The interest rate is 730% !"
www.speedycash.com/rates-and-terms/Texas

Payday loan companies, operating off the internet, want to expand into states with Democrats controlling state banking. The Democrats resist, but the Republicans are changing the rules to bring 730% APR loans to Mister Working Class in every state:

In late May, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which regulates federally chartered banks, finalized a rule that would supercharge the online lending industry by bowling over the state interest rate limits that currently protect consumers. In June, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation finalized an equivalent rule that would cover the state-chartered financial institutions that currently dominate the online lending industry.

The attorneys general of California, New York, and Illinois have sued the OCC, contending that its rule violates federal banking law and other statutes, “and would facilitate predatory lending.” If those rules stand, borrowers in many states will face even higher interest rates than they do today, with state regulators powerless to stop them. A second lawsuit targets the FDIC rule.

The OCC is now taking comments on a separate proposed rule that declares a national bank the “true lender” in any partnership, further adding to fintechs’ ability to sidestep state banking regulations.

https://theintercept.com/2020/08/30/fintech-debt-personal-loans-econom
ic-crisis/

Are you working class and need a SpeedyCash.com loan at 730% interest rate?
Then give thanks to Donald Trump for making it possible!

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 7:52 AM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Hmmm ...would you rather pay $400 over a year (a bit over a buck a day) and have a job making $25K a year ... or save the $400 and not work at all??

Yeah, it's a tough choice.

The correct formulation is ... would 1,000 of your friends be willing to pay $400 over a year so that you can have a job making $25K a year? Or would they rather not be your friend and keep the $400?

Trump’s steel tariffs cost U.S. consumers $900,000 for every job created, experts say
www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/07/trumps-steel-tariffs-cost-u
s-consumers-every-job-created-experts-say/

Trump’s Washing Machine Tariffs Cost Consumers $800,000 Per Job Created
https://fee.org/articles/trump-s-washing-machine-tariffs-cost-consumer
s-800-000-per-job-created/

Based on a 12% increase in the price of washers -- or about $86 per machine -- each the 1,800 jobs created cost American consumers $815,000
https://web.archive.org/web/20200901114315/https://www.bloomberg.com/n
ews/articles/2020-08-06/trump-touts-whirlpool-job-gains-from-tariffs-that-hit-consumers

Trump’s steel and aluminium tariffs cost US consumers $900,000 a year for every job saved, experts say
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-tariffs-steel-
aluminium-jobs-consumers-cost-a8904366.html

Aluminum Tariff Tradeoff: 300 Jobs for $690 Million in New Taxes
https://reason.com/2018/12/11/study-claims-aluminum-tariffs-create-job/

How much does it cost in tariffs to create one job? Google says 101 million times that it costs much more than the job is worth. It would be 1,000 times cheaper to stay home and do nothing but collect unemployment:
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+much+does+it+cost+in+tariffs+to+cr
eate+one+job

There are other ways to create jobs than raise tariffs:
"How to decarbonize America — and create 25 million jobs"
www.vox.com/podcasts/2020/8/27/21403184/saul-griffith-ezra-klein-show-
solve-climate-change-green-new-deal-rewiring-america
1kiki, the GOP will powerfully oppose, and eventually kill if the GOP has at least 34 Senators, this idea of creating 25,000,000 jobs because decarbonizing America would reduce production of oil and natural gas, the industry that contributes most to Trump's reelection campaign.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:00 AM

You can't reason with people who refuse to reason.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:44 AM

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You can't reason with people who refuse to reason.

Correct

T

Stupid people don't know they're stupid, and they certainly don't realize how obvious it is to others.

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 8:46 AM

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Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:40 AM

Aptly named.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 9:21 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

President Donald Trump has vowed to kill funding for a critical, gargantuan program that nearly 70 million Americans depend on.

What? You haven’t heard Trump say he wants to kill Social Security’s funding? Actually, you have. Trump says he wants to kill the payroll tax — which is how Social Security is funded.

Perhaps like many Americans, you’re unaware of how Social Security is financed. It comes from payroll taxes that are paid by you and your employer. The past four years have convinced me that there are many other things that Trump’s supporters don’t seem to understand either (trade/tariffs, regulations, the stock market, etc.) but I digress.

“If victorious on November 3rd,” the president said on Aug. 8th, “I plan to forgive these taxes and make permanent cuts to the payroll tax.” He then added: “I’m going to make them all permanent.”

So when Trump talks of a “payroll tax cut,” you might think that sounds great. A tax cut! But this is deceptive election year politics, designed to take advantage of voter ignorance. Anyone in the media that’s going along with Trump’s framing of this as a mere tax cut is also being played.

It doesn’t get more delusional than this except, perhaps, for kooky Trump advisers like economist Stephen Moore, and even Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who has said that Social Security could always be paid for by moving trillions of dollars from the government’s “general fund to those trusts funds.”

Trillions of dollars from the general fund? What trillions of dollars? The federal deficit for fiscal year 2019 that ended last Sept. 30 was $984 billion. It has nearly quadrupled this year to a staggering $3.7 trillion, and this will skyrocket even further if another round of pandemic aid gets passed. These sums — so vast as to be nearly incomprehensible — get added on to the national debt, which as of last week was $26.6 trillion, up 33.6% on Trump’s watch.

Remember: Trump said he would eliminate the entire national debt — not the deficit, the national debt itself — in eight years, because of all the brilliant trade deals he would do. Here we are four years later and things are worse, far worse, than ever.

www.marketwatch.com/story/why-you-might-not-know-that-trump-is-threate
ning-your-social-security-2020-09-02

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:27 AM

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^ This is a brain disease.

Wow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:32 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

Quote:

President Donald Trump has vowed to kill funding for a critical, gargantuan program that nearly 70 million Americans depend on.

And democrats are up in arms! They're making speeches, filibustering the Senate, airing commercials ...

...

...

... what's that you say? They're not doing any of that?

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better? RF is an idiot.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:08 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

^ This is a brain disease.

Wow.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Reality is a disease to inbred white trash like 6ix.

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:09 AM

She's in MO-18. That is a trash portion of a trash county in the trashiest area of the state. Per capita income is 17 grand. 98.8 percent white. It's uneducated, poor, stupid, white, and "Christian."

She isn't even that popular and she pulled 70%.

Here’s her office number if you’d like to voice a complaint.

(573) 751-7985?

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 11:14 AM

Why don't you get a hobby?

You'll feel better about yourself and the world, and it will keep your mind off of all of your paranoia and hatred for America.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 12:06 PM

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?
Quote:

President Donald Trump has vowed to kill funding for a critical, gargantuan program that nearly 70 million Americans depend on.
And democrats are up in arms! They're making speeches, filibustering the Senate, airing commercials ...

...

...

... what's that you say? They're not doing any of that?

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better? RF is an idiot.

1kiki, you are full of shit. Your fat, dumb Trump's plan to simultaneously ruin Social Security and Medicare is in deep trouble. Find out what kind of trouble by googling Are Democrats outraged by Trump FICA tax change?
www.google.com/search?q=Are+Democrats+outraged+by+Trump+FICA+tax+chang
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Wednesday, September 2, 2020 4:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 1KIKI:

That topic is:

And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

More specifically, what did the democrats do to change the economy to help the average American worker over the past 4 decades?

Quote:

President Donald Trump has vowed to kill funding for a critical, gargantuan program that nearly 70 million Americans depend on.

Quote:
And democrats are up in arms! They're making speeches, filibustering the Senate, airing commercials ...

...

...

... what's that you say? They're not doing any of that?

Quote:
1kiki, you are full of shit. Your fat, dumb Trump's plan to simultaneously ruin Social Security and Medicare is in deep trouble. Find out what kind of trouble by googling Are Democrats outraged by Trump FICA tax change?
www.google.com/search?q=Are+Democrats+outraged+by+Trump+FICA+tax+chang
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www.google.com/search?q=Are+Democrats+outraged+by+Trump+FICA+tax+chang
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And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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