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interesting Republican action in Congress

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Monday, December 20, 2010 8:55 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/12/20/republicans
-start-teaching-members-how-to-obey-the-constitution.aspx

Republicans Start Teaching Members How to Obey the Constitution

The new GOP majority wants all Congressmen to insert a clause in every new bill or resolution stating the Constitutional authority of Congress to legislate on that subject, as a starting point for debate.

Interesting idea-- I'm not sure whether I approve or not. The article makes the point that this might interfere with the Supreme Court's right to judge something constitutional or not.

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Monday, December 20, 2010 9:00 PM

ANTHONYT

Freedom is Important because People are Important

Hello,

I think that stating why you think your law is constitutional is a good idea. Their opinion by no means invalidates the Supreme Court's future judgment, but it MIGHT help the Court make a judgment if they know where you were coming from when you wrote the bloody thing.

Clarity in law, clarity in purpose, and clear references to Constitutional authority are not bad ideas.

--Anthony

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Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:44 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

And I'm sure that they would follow such a law, right up until such time as they didn't want to, or couldn't find a constitutional justification, at which time they'd suspend it or just outright ignore it. Business as usual. (See also "Patriot Act", "warrantless wiretaps", "waterboarding", "Iraq invasion", etc., for examples)

Congress and the Executive Branch have a long and cherished (by them) history of ignoring the Constitution and any law that gets between them and what they want to do.

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Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:45 AM

DMAANLILEILTT

It's just gonna make the machine more ineffective by adding more options for people who want to stall.

"I really am ruggedly handsome, aren't I?"

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Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:31 PM

FREMDFIRMA

No they're not Anthony, but again, the answer to someone wholly and intentionally ignoring the Constitution or a Law isn't a polite reminder, nor making a new Law or, as has been suggested (on a state level here, at least) a new Constitution...

It is to ENFORCE that upon them - problem is, when you have the ones supposed to *do* the enforcing as the violators, it raises the problem of "then what?" which was never answered to the satisfaction of the antifederalists back in 1788, nor has it been effectively answered since.

Far be it for me to suggest taking an august member of that ruling body who has neglected or violated their oath aside somewhere and breaking their fucking legs, but it would bring a whole new awareness of potential consequence to them which they could never quite effectively insulate themselves from - problem with that is, like most violent solutions, it opens the door for even more abuses cause those ordering the abuses in exchange for money not only can outbid the general public financially, but as well can offer substantively more violence to encourage action or inaction in that respect as well.

And so, we must then go to what is really the only logical option left to us, noncompliance.

For if those enforcing the law are not subject, then neither are we - and while they can enforce upon us when they are watching, when they have violence and force at hand to visit upon us, despite our growing surveillence society they simply cannot watch us all, all at once, and then watch the watchers because that system will break under it's own weight long before it ever reaches a point where it IS any kind of effective.

And the FIRST thing you do, is strip them of the goons willing to carry out their will, by smashing the infrastructures which create them, and by financially revoking community support OF them, till you reach a point where all the bastards can do is rail and rave into the darkness, pretending they're still in charge.

My nefarious plan, in all it's unholy glory, is really no simpler than that.

DO NOT COMPLY.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:11 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Will be interesting to see how that turns out. I don't think it makes any difference to the Supremes, it appears to me that they've become so ideological at this point that their opinions are pretty easy to predict.

If it were a valid thing to do, I think it would be a great idea. But personally I'll wait to see if the Republicans follow it, and doubt the Democrats will. Given how many things the Republicans have proposed or promised which disappear almost immediately (earmarks for example), I don't have high expectations.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:23 AM

KWICKO

Quickest way for the Democrats to kill this idea would be to sign on as co-sponsors. At that point, the right-wingers would have no choice but to vote against it, lest anyone accuse them of trying to get anything done!

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Wednesday, December 22, 2010 9:40 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Yup, but rather than "lest anyone accuse them of trying to get anything done", I would say "lest anyone in their own party go after them for not towing the line of "Party of No".

That's been shown to be the case over and over, so many times one wonders why their followers haven't groked it; again, the things they came up with, sponsored and/or supported were abandoned the minute the Democrats agreed; this would be too.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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