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The collapse of globalization and the end of the world are two entirely different things.

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The collapse of globalization and the end of the world are two entirely different things.

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I gotta respond. Hey stupid, you couldn't even handle community college. You flunked out twice.

Why oh why would you think you are considered here to be anything other than an idiot?

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The collapse of globalization and the end of the world are two entirely different things.

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I gotta respond. Hey stupid, you couldn't even handle community college. You flunked out twice.

Why oh why would you think you are considered here to be anything other than an idiot?

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So, college genius...

Explain to the class how the end of globalization and the end of the world are the same thing.

Meanwhile, at least I know what the difference between a minor and a coal miner are. Your writing ability is lower the retarded kid in class, and there's been plenty of evidence here to suggest your reading abilities are even worse than that.

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Trump will be fine.
He will also be your next President.

Wicked funny...Jacks defense is that I misspelled a word once.

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The collapse of globalization and the end of the world are two entirely different things.

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I gotta respond. Hey stupid, you couldn't even handle community college. You flunked out twice.

Why oh why would you think you are considered here to be anything other than an idiot?

T

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So, college genius...

Explain to the class how the end of globalization and the end of the world are the same thing.

Meanwhile, at least I know what the difference between a minor and a coal miner are. Your writing ability is lower the retarded kid in class, and there's been plenty of evidence here to suggest your reading abilities are even worse than that.

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Trump will be fine.
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Wicked funny...Jacks defense is that I misspelled a word once.

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So...

I take it you're not going to explain to anyone how the end of globalization and the end of the world are the same thing then, huh?



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Trump will be fine.
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
It took you a long time to write that reply.



Be gone with you now.

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It took you a long time to write that reply.



Be gone with you now.

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You think that because you're a dummy. It took but a brief moment to write, once I decided to point out again what a moron you are. And your comeback here is priceless. Completely proves my point.

And yes, I'm gone.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

The non- Western world doesn't even exist, as far as Zeihan's concerned.

Anyone who has that significant blind spot can't possibly be accurate. I believe that was my very first reaction to one of his videos, and apparently it's still true.

That, and his "facts" have turned out to be garbage so far.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Well, yes and no.

What I think will happen (again IMHO) in the not too distant future is an outgrowth of what government (and the elites that run it) are doing today:

Our propensity for making enemies and failed states. We could do it as long as nobody stood up to us. Like the bully on the playground who terrorizes everyone until a few other kids stand up to him and show everyone else there is an alternative.

It was bad enough that we launched a large scale proxy war against Russia. Biden* is now apparently antagonizing China as well.

Putting a timeline on all of this, the Kremlin knew, in 2014, that it would eventually have to fight NATO militarily. Russia appointed Shoigu at that time and designated 3-4% (IIRC) of its budget to the military, up from 2%. They also developed a non -SWIFT interbank payment system, tossed American software (Microsoft) out of governemnt offices, semi-nationlaized the oil and gas industry and started to bring western- linked oligarchs to heel, and in 2012 restricted foreign NGOs. They also supported Syria and their own military bases in Crimea and Syria, engaged in a proxy war in the Donbas, and forged closer relationships with China and Iran.

So, they were preparing their military, financial system, commodities base, trade relations, and information space for an eventual split from the west. (Our sanctions caused them to complete the effort - sucessfully). Just as we were diddling Russia along to give ourselevs time to arm Ukraine, Russia was playing along to give themselves time to become independent.

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China's Treasury holdings (still over $1 trillion)

I think China can huff and puff about western aggression in Taiwan but thry sre still linked to us as much as we are to them.

So China will break from us only as much as we break from them with arms rp Taiwan and tariffs and sanctions. Because judging from their trade partners and foreign reserves, while China's trade with Russia and Africa is just coming up to normal internationsl levels, it has yet to break into the top 4.

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Here's what I think China is doing wrong:

Instead of working on developing independently, the Chinese government took the easy and quick way out. They duplicated the Japan model of development: count on foreign investment and foreign markets and export your labor. Walmart suppliers, Apple, Nike, CocaCola, and a whole host of formerly western- based industries relocated right quick. For a while, whole factories were being dismantled and shipped to China! But while it gave quick results, it distorted Chinese production and geared it to western markets. China is STILL taking the easy way out. Why else do you think they were doing Covid research in Wuhan?

And if the foreign markets dry up, as they did in 2008 and are doing again now, yiur economy will nosedive as well.

China still believes, apparently, that having a grossly and endlessly positive trade balance is a good thing. It's not. If having an endlessly negative trade balance is endlessly borrowing money, then having an endless positive trade balance is endlessly lending money. It's all well and good to be sitting on piles of dollars and euros, as long as the dollars and euros retain their value. But it makes them hostage to American and European fiscal policy and affects China's foreign policy. Why else do you think they keep whinging about win- win, and peace and prosperity?

China has made a clusterfuck of its lending policies, and blew up debt loads beyond all reason, only to have that money plunked into speculation.

China also has made a clusterfuck of its revenue sharing. The central government collects taxes. It does not share revenue and provincial governments can't collect taxes. So they float bonds. Lots and lots of bonds! For lots and lots of pointless infrastructure! Because like any good bureaucracy, they want to see their budgets grow!

And like revenue sharing, China has made a clusterfuck of social benefits, which are based on provincial registration and not national. It ties people to their province.

China's emphasis on The Next Big Thing. They jump in with both feet, withiut being able to develop, test, and modify if necessary.

And finally, China's social policy. With its emphasis on standard of living, it leaves China with nothing to fall back on in adversity.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, moving past the point about Zeihan being an idiot and whether he's right in the specifics, I also think OUR world as WE (USA, UK, EU) know it will end. There will still be global trade ... China will want to trade with Africa, South America, Russia etc, and Russia probably wouldn't notice if the west ("us", "we") dropped off the face of the globe bc they're an autarky.

But "they" will probably stop dealing with us bc, frankly, we aren't agreement capable and our dollar will be worth a lot less. And until we stop trying to be Masters of the Universe we'll be in semi- quarantine.

Which in the end will be a good thing bc we'll have to learn to "do for ourselves" again instead of expecting everybody else to "do" for us. Transition is going to be mighty rocky, tho.

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Sounds like NYT and I agree

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Here's what I think China is doing wrong:

Instead of working on developing independently, the Chinese government took the easy and quick way out. They duplicated the Japan model of development: count on foreign investment and foreign markets and export your labor. Walmart suppliers, Apple, Nike, CocaCola, and a whole host of formerly western- based industries relocated right quick. For a while, whole factories were being dismantled and shipped to China! But while it gave quick results, it distorted Chinese production and geared it to western markets. China is STILL taking the easy way out. Why else do you think they were doing Covid research in Wuhan?

And if the foreign markets dry up, as they did in 2008 and are doing again now, yiur economy will nosedive as well.

China still believes, apparently, that having a grossly and endlessly positive trade balance is a good thing. It's not. If having an endlessly negative trade balance is endlessly borrowing money, then having an endless positive trade balance is endlessly lending money. It's all well and good to be sitting on piles of dollars and euros, as long as the dollars and euros retain their value. But it makes them hostage to American and European fiscal policy and affects China's foreign policy. Why else do you think they keep whinging about win- win, and peace and prosperity?

China has made a clusterfuck of its lending policies, and blew up debt loads beyond all reason, only to have that money plunked into speculation.

China also has made a clusterfuck of its revenue sharing. The central government collects taxes. It does not share revenue and provincial governments can't collect taxes. So they float bonds. Lots and lots of bonds! For lots and lots of pointless infrastructure! Because like any good bureaucracy, they want to see their budgets grow!

And like revenue sharing, China has made a clusterfuck of social benefits, which are based on provincial registration and not national. It ties people to their province.

China's emphasis on The Next Big Thing. They jump in with both feet, withiut being able to develop, test, and modify if necessary.

And finally, China's social policy. With its emphasis on standard of living, it leaves China with nothing to fall back on in adversity.

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I would like to add, demonstrating China's piggybacking on USA research, that Russia would NEVER allow USA bioweapon lab research on its own soil (i.e. Covid). And look where it got THEM. And, ultimately, everyone.

China's development is at a "running scared" pace. I've read they are trying to avoid another Tiananmen Square. They're doing everything at breakneck speed, but -like a lot of their showcase projects - not very well. They need to slow down and make sure their development is done well and makes sense from a demand standpoint.

I still think that Xi wants to break from co-deoendence with the west. But China's trade with Africa, which currently stands at $250-300b, would need to triple to rival it's trade with the USA at $1T, and at its previous rate of increase that would take 49 years.
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27880.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/27880/trade-between-china-and-africa/

China's trade with Russia, while important, only totals about $100b, between exports and imports

https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graphic-truth-china-russia-trade-ties

That would have to multiply by a factor of 10 to rival its trade with the USA.

So even tho China is casting about - desperately, some might say- for non western trade partners, it would take at least 15 more years to rearrange its production and trade.
Xi, given his age, doesn't have that much time! And unlike Putin, he doesn't appear to be arranging for a successor.

So unless the west literally pushed China away thru tariffs, sanctions, and saber- rattling and forces China to become independent, China has no interest in breaking up with us.

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The non- Western world doesn't even exist, as far as Zeihan's concerned.

Anyone who has that significant blind spot can't possibly be accurate. I believe that was my very first reaction to one of his videos, and apparently it's still true.

That, and his "facts" have turned out to be garbage so far.

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What non-western countries are you talking about? He predicts their collapse, and he does it in detail. He uses facts to do so. If you've watched the different videos I've posted, you'd have seen all this. Pick a non-western country and I'll post a video explaining their coming demise. Don't like Zeihan, I'll post another globalists video.

What facts are garbage? You have no facts to dispute Zeihan or you'd post more than gibberish. Real numbers comrade, not Chinese or Russian self declared numbers.

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SIGNY: Sounds like NYT and I agree

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SIGNY: Here's what I think China is doing wrong:

Instead of working on developing independently, the Chinese government took the easy and quick way out. They duplicated the Japan model of development: count on foreign investment and foreign markets and export your labor. Walmart suppliers, Apple, Nike, CocaCola, and a whole host of formerly western- based industries relocated right quick. For a while, whole factories were being dismantled and shipped to China! But while it gave quick results, it distorted Chinese production and geared it to western markets. China is STILL taking the easy way out. Why else do you think they were doing Covid research in Wuhan?

And if the foreign markets dry up, as they did in 2008 and are doing again now, yiur economy will nosedive as well.

China still believes, apparently, that having a grossly and endlessly positive trade balance is a good thing. It's not. If having an endlessly negative trade balance is endlessly borrowing money, then having an endless positive trade balance is endlessly lending money. It's all well and good to be sitting on piles of dollars and euros, as long as the dollars and euros retain their value. But it makes them hostage to American and European fiscal policy and affects China's foreign policy. Why else do you think they keep whinging about win- win, and peace and prosperity?

China has made a clusterfuck of its lending policies, and blew up debt loads beyond all reason, only to have that money plunked into speculation.

China also has made a clusterfuck of its revenue sharing. The central government collects taxes. It does not share revenue and provincial governments can't collect taxes. So they float bonds. Lots and lots of bonds! For lots and lots of pointless infrastructure! Because like any good bureaucracy, they want to see their budgets grow!

And like revenue sharing, China has made a clusterfuck of social benefits, which are based on provincial registration and not national. It ties people to their province.

China's emphasis on The Next Big Thing. They jump in with both feet, withiut being able to develop, test, and modify if necessary.

And finally, China's social policy. With its emphasis on standard of living, it leaves China with nothing to fall back on in adversity.

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I would like to add, demonstrating China's piggybacking on USA research, that Russia would NEVER allow USA bioweapon lab research on its own soil (i.e. Covid). And look where it got THEM. And, ultimately, everyone.

China's development is at a "running scared" pace. I've read they are trying to avoid another Tiananmen Square. They're doing everything at breakneck speed, but -like a lot of their showcase projects - not very well. They need to slow down and make sure their development is done well and makes sense from a demand standpoint.

I still think that Xi wants to break from co-deoendence with the west. But China's trade with Africa, which currently stands at $250-300b, would need to triple to rival it's trade with the USA at $1T, and at its previous rate of increase that would take 49 years.
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/27880.jpeg
https://www.statista.com/chart/27880/trade-between-china-and-africa/

China's trade with Russia, while important, only totals about $100b, between exports and imports

https://www.gzeromedia.com/the-graphic-truth-china-russia-trade-ties

That would have to multiply by a factor of 10 to rival its trade with the USA.

So even tho China is casting about - desperately, some might say- for non western trade partners, it would take at least 15 more years to rearrange its production and trade.
Xi, given his age, doesn't have that much time! And unlike Putin, he doesn't appear to be arranging for a successor.

So unless the west literally pushed China away thru tariffs, sanctions, and saber- rattling and forces China to become independent, China has no interest in breaking up with us.


THUGR: I think it's safe to say you've been forced to accept China's fucked.

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THUGR: Your links only confirm minimal success with other trade partners.

And remember; Be careful believing Chinas' numbers. Chinese Local financing bonds, a thirteen trillion-dollar market, it's how all the local markets fund themselves mostly through realistate, is in default. 80% is in default.

The peoples bank of China, the Chinese Fed that regulates their banking system, issued an edict. The Chinese government said they should just say those bonds are current. Thats a 13 trillion-dollar coverup.

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Comrade, your first two polls are 6 and 7 years old. The last two are 4 and 3 years old. As for Chemicals, do you even understand the subject?

As for steel, we're going to be building a lot of factories and warehouses going forward. US steel will grow bigtime.

Are you that desperate to bash or make America look bad?

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USA Chemicals - lower

chip production - good news

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Monday, September 26, 2022 12:40 PM

SIGNYM

Why did you even post nonsense to begin with?

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SIGNY: Why did you even post nonsense to begin with?

THUGR: Comrade signym's first visit to the China thread.
Comrade signyms second post in the China thread. It clearly shows she didn't understand any of the consequences of China going under.

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Peter Zeihan has started writing at Stratfor.com. Up until now the only
authored articles from Stratfor have come from Chairman and Founder
George
Friedman. The rest of the analysis is anonymously authored. Who is this
new
face at everyone's favorite "private CIA," and what's so special about
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Peter Zeihan returned to twitter after his big Anti-Musk temper tantrums

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The non- Western world doesn't even exist, as far as Zeihan's concerned.

Anyone who has that significant blind spot can't possibly be accurate. I believe that was my very first reaction to one of his videos, and apparently it's still true.

That, and his "facts" have turned out to be garbage so far.

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Dood, I already addressed this, briefly.

Since his facts are garbage his conclusions are garbage.
The GIGO principle still holds.

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Good call comrade signym. Tell all your friends and family to invest heavily in China.

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Why does Ted have his tongue so far up Peter Zeihan's asshole right now?

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Zeihan's got books to sell and talks to get fees for.

You can tell by his TED-talk style: chirpy quips and wry asides and gaspingly outrageous headliners. And his totally trashed facts.

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homosexual Pedo Zeihan claims the electric car has failed and will mostly “disappear”

https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2023/01/peter-zeihan-made-up-and-false-c
laims-about-evs-for-his-business.html

the pervert weirdo Pedo Zeihan claims Argentina will destroy British it be able to defeat the England types militarily and conquer the Falklands

https://zeihan.com/argentina-after-america/

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Why does Ted have his tongue so far up Peter Zeihan's asshole right now?

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its easier to parrot others, saves people from having to use their brains

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Zeihan's got books to sell and talks to get fees for.

You can tell by his TED-talk style: chirpy quips and wry asides and gaspingly outrageous headliners. And his totally trashed facts.

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We do not always agree but I think I might agree here

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Ok, maybe this will help you to understand. Probably not, but maybe. If you do any kind of search comrade signym you'll see mostly the same things being said by globalists from everywhere.

And one thing that's agreed to by all, is Russia's dead.

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Like I'm supposed to believe the Davos crowd? Well, a billion flies eat shit.

And Zeihan isn't even a decision-maker. Why do you think he's talking to community colleges and small audiences like ECC (Engineering Construction Contractors) and BEC (Fintech) and shopping his talks to every YouTuber who will interview him. He's a lightweight who grabs random factoids and bogus stats and entertaining quips and ties it all off with click-bait headlines.


ETA: I listen to a lot of people. I even check in with M$M. I've listened to two Zeihavideos. Enuf to know that, for the most part, I don't think I'll get much useful info or analysis. But thanks for bringing him to my attention.





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