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Some Covid-19 thoughts
Monday, March 23, 2020 11:32 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Monday, March 23, 2020 12:00 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: - if I was someone with bad intentions and hated the US, or any large country - say ISIS, etc - I would be taking notes right about now. To see how much of the world is fubarred over this super easy to transmit virus... crap! How does this not happen again and again?
Quote:- drove by our grocery store early last week to mail in my tax docs (we had no intention of leaving the car). We couldn't believe how many people were out an about wandering in and out of the store. "What don't these clowns get about infection?" Drove out yesterday since it was sunny - still no intention of getting out - and the same thing. It looked like a freaking game day weekend. No masks, no gloves, no nothing but full carts. Actually some of the carts were only partially full. If you're going to risk this wouldn't you fill the damn cart? Just wandering in and out and everywhere even after the gov put the state on lock down.
Quote:- I remember when I thought the market was high when it went over 10,000, so all in all... buy Amazon stock. Their drone delivery program just got ramped up.
Quote:- what's the first thing people are going to do when they get their trillion dollar gov checks? Yep. Go out. Stand in line shoulder to shoulder at the bank.
Quote:- Will this change the world economy forever?
Monday, March 23, 2020 4:00 PM
BRENDA
Monday, March 23, 2020 4:12 PM
Monday, March 23, 2020 4:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Brenda: Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.
Monday, March 23, 2020 4:26 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by Brenda: Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger. No worries Brenda - truth is truth! #MaplePower
Monday, March 23, 2020 4:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: My two cents... Jack: "I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began." I'm not worried about any country - especially China - doing this kind of thing to us. They profit too much from our relationship. This is only good for super bad actors/terrorism. Anyone that is interested in simple destruction.
Quote:Jack: "I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing." Pretty bad since Trump got in.
Quote:Jack: "People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children." Totally
Quote:Jack: "As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)" No - going out and going where people are is how you get infected. I don't get how you don't get that.
Quote:Jack: "I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now." I think you can stick apin in the calendar and say this is where a MEGA shift in the World economy and how people work, happened.
Quote:Jack "Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet." I really wonder how many people do that. I bet that sounds complicated for a lot of people.
Quote:Jack: "As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself." Right, debit cards or cash, it doesn't matter. It means pent up people are going to go out and party and buy shit and infect others or themselves. This concept is not getting through.
Quote:Jack: "I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to be after this." I still have a hard time imagining millions dead, even world wide. But even IF it's that high, is it significantly higher than other killers?
Monday, March 23, 2020 7:03 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: My two cents... I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing.
Monday, March 23, 2020 7:14 PM
Monday, March 23, 2020 8:05 PM
JAYNEZTOWN
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:02 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:No Refunds: Costco Hoarders Discover They Can't Return Toilet Paper
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:23 AM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:18 AM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: - It does help a bit.
Quote:I think the BIG difference between the majority of those and this virus is you can catch c-19 or give it to someone else just by going out to get a jug of milk. Most of those others are self inflicted.
Quote:Not much we can do on those and still preserve our stubborn but important sense of self determination, and "freedom."
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:25 PM
JO753
rezident owtsidr
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:43 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Good. Yeah... except for the 1 million people dying of mosquito bites, all of the people who die in car accidents that weren't their fault. All of the people who are old and end up dying of heart disease or cancer or a stroke simply from the fact that they're old and we all have to die of something sometime, or all of the people who die in wars and conflicts around the globe that had no choice but to be a part of them or an innocent casualty of them. Really, not a lot of people on that list did it to themselves. Deaths attributed to smoking include those from heart disease, stroke and cancer and only account for 450,000 of those numbers. Freedom is sacrosanct. It's no surprise that "educated" Democrats are always among the first to give it away for safety and free shit. Always. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:03 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:09 PM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:25 PM
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: It was the same with 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, but it wasn't just right-wingers who were on board. After rhetoric like "dead or alive!", "smoke 'em out!", "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - and getting everybody (90% approval) rabidly foaming at the mouth to get bin Laden - after a few months all dubya had to say was "I don't really think about him very much" and it was as if the previous months were totally erased. The pivot to Iraq was as if it was on a frictionless pin.
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping. How has Trump done this?
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by second: Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping. How has Trump done this? I was never on board with it, buddy. I don't think that Trump had anything to do with it. I think it was the statewide bans that did it. My state actually flat out tells you that as of Midnight tonight you are not permitted to visit any relatives unless you are going there to provide for their "health and well being". Fuck them. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:22 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:26 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by second: Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Yup. Only you're so blind to the fact that you're terrorized by a virus right now and they're playing on your fears. I've never seen so many frightened little sheep before in my life.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:59 AM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:50 AM
Quote: SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:52 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: Got a cardvelope in the mail today from the CDC. The title iz PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CORONAVIRUS GUIDELINES FOR AMERICA I jiveth ye not. ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com .
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:06 AM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:42 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Don't project your COVID panic onto me.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: First, tho, I'll sanitize it.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:11 AM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:26 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: First, tho, I'll sanitize it. Heh - All of our mail sits in our garage for 3 days before we open it. And then it gets a sani-wipe down first. Not panicked but not f*cking around either.
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:30 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct. No, it isn't. sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct inviolable: 1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law 2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable The other overused word is "inalienable".
Quote:sacrosanct Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/ adjective (especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with. ‘the individual's right to work has been upheld as sacrosanct’
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:33 AM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:37 AM
Quote:- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that. #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:34 PM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: More: - we're rich! The Gov check's in the mail! Just don't go out and spend it. - starting to recognize people that have died from c-19 - not close friends or acquaintances, but familiar people. Sucks. - imho turning the corner (when things can START getting back to normal) can only happen when a treatment happens. Not a vaccine, that would be great of course, but that sounds like it's way off. An actual drug that stricken people can take for recovery. The economy is going to be depressed until people can be around other people. All pretty obvious. - what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that. #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:21 PM
Quote: SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct. SIGNY:No, it isn't. sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct inviolable: 1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law 2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable The other overused word is "inalienable". SIX: Oxford doesn't agree. I guess like anything else it's all a matter of perspective. sacrosanct Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/ adjective (especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.* https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sacrosanct (Powered by Oxford, who charges you a monthly fee to use their online dictionary but offers a bunch of other stuff too)
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:52 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:59 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:24 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of... Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances. Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined. We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed. There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc. Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:31 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JO753: The unemployment claimz hav spiked way the hell up. They were alredy swamped, so I'm not wasting my time to ask for money wen I probably woudnt get any and still dont need it. Minimize paperwork! Speaking uv that, I gotta start bending my brain to the task uv doing taxez. ---------------------------- DUZ XaT SEM RiT TQ YQ? - Jubal Early http://www.7532020.com .
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:34 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:31 PM
Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:51 PM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:48 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:50 AM
Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:25 AM
Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.
Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing.
Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.
Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.
Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.
Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.
Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.
Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.
Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.
Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.
Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Jeezus, these people are stupid. SIX, you jumping metaphorically in bed with them doesn't say much for your intelligence, or your state of mind. This is as bad as THUGR. What happened? Did you check your brains at the door?
Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus. Quote: Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. What he says: We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day. [The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society. All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook. My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage! Quote: Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ... Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things. We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?” That’s missing. No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments! Quote: Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ... I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. […] I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that. […] In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective. BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it. Quote: Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences... Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future. The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher. FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing. Quote: Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry.... Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake? Quote: Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy. We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years. I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE. Quote:Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association... I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown. Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns. Quote: Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist... The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous. Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death? Quote: Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ... The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing. Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period. Quote: Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center What he says: I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order. A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine. There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake #STAYTHEFUCKHOME
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