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new deadly human-to-human-transmissible coronavirus emerges out of China
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:49 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 2:49 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Stop replying to non-existent posts, SHITSTAIN.
Quote:Stopping air travel. Quarantine. Containment. Those are all things that were done back then to stop SARS, thanks to medical science figuring out what it was and how it spread. Those were all the things WHO could have done for SARS-COV-2 now, and should have done, to STOP (not 'eradicate') SARS-COV-2. If WHO(the morally crippled Tedros) had taken action earlier, we probably wouldn't be facing what we're facing. That's the problem with morally crippled people, like Tedros, and you. They're incapable of doing what's right if it conflicts with their food bowl.
Quote:WHO can NOT close borders and stop flights. But Trump can. Why hasn't he? Oh, I know, I know! He is worried about what that would do to the stock market and the economy and his reelection. It is not Tedros who is morally crippled. Do I need to say it? Yes, I do: it is Trump who is morally crippled.
Quote: www.who.int/trade/distance_learning/gpgh/gpgh8/en/index7.html "WHO can NOT close borders and stop flights." I guess there was no reason for Tedros to have STILL not declared this to be a pandemic. WHO must just be a toothless, ignorable soothsayer.
Quote:Show me how WHO can close USA borders over the objections of Trump. Please show me, 1kiki. While you are at it, show me how WHO could keep borders open when Trump closes borders. It is Trump that decides about USA borders, not WHO. It is all Trump's decision for why the borders are open. And Trump made that decision to help his reelection. Trump is morally bankrupt. 1kiki, I will be back in a few hours to see what kind of phoney answer you give to make Trump look good. Work hard on your fake story about how Trump would shut down the borders and stop all flights and crash the economy in order to stop the coronavirus, even if a shut down and crash would prevent him from being reelected.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 3:13 PM
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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: WHO(Tedros) has still not declared SARS-COV-2 a pandemic. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/ That declaration would allow countries to take affirmative actions according to their own epidemic/ pandemic guidelines. By not declaring pandemic, WHO(Tedros) is blocking significant response.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:16 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/health/coronavirus-us.html C.D.C. Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the U.S. The coronavirus almost certainly will begin spreading in communities in the United States, and Americans should begin preparations now, officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said on Tuesday. “It’s not so much of a question of if this will happen anymore but rather more of a question of exactly when this will happen,” Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said in a news briefing. In the event of an outbreak, communities should plan for “social distancing measures,” like dividing school classes into smaller groups of students, closing schools, canceling meetings and conferences, and arranging for employees to work from home. “We are asking the American public to prepare for the expectation that this might be bad,” Dr. Messonnier said. “We cannot hermetically seal off the United States to a virus,” Alex M. Azar II, the secretary of health and humans services, told a Senate panel on Tuesday. “And we need to be realistic about that.” Mr. Azar said he was alarmed by the human-to-human transmission of the virus in other parts of the world without an identifiable connection to confirmed cases, and what that could mean for how the virus may hit the United States in the coming months. Individually, people can take the measures recommended for other infectious diseases, like washing their hands, covering their mouths when they cough, and staying home and away from others when they are sick.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:27 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by SHITSTAIN: Trolling, straw-manning, self-contradiction, and blatant lying. Here's from YOUR OWN LINK: When SARS emerged from China in 2002 it swept across the globe—largely through air travel—causing deadly illness. More than 8,000 people fell ill and 774 died ... SARS drew the collective focus of researchers throughout the world. The disease disappeared in 2004, likely due to isolation and quarantine containment measures, and no cases of SARS have been reported since.. www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses Stopping air travel. Quarantine. Containment. Those are all things that were done back then to stop SARS, thanks to medical science figuring out what it was and how it spread. Those were all the things WHO could have done for SARS-COV-2 now, and should have done, to STOP (not 'eradicate') SARS-COV-2. If WHO(the morally crippled Tedros) had taken action earlier, we probably wouldn't be facing what we're facing. That's the problem with morally crippled people, like Tedros, and you. They're incapable of doing what's right if it conflicts with their food bowl. And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?
Quote:Originally posted by SHITSTAIN: Trolling, straw-manning, self-contradiction, and blatant lying.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SHITSTAIN: The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the covid-19 virus already meets two of its three criteria for a pandemic: it spreads between people, and it kills. The third is that it has to spread worldwide. The virus is now in 38 countries – and counting – on nearly all continents, and those are just the ones we know about. How much more worldwide does it need to be before Trump acts like it is a pandemic and shuts down the border and loses his reelection?
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 4:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Yeah, sure. This coming from the sister of Rod Rosenstein.
Quote:And is a rabid anti-Trumper. https://theunionjournal.com/just-like-her-corrupt-brother-rod-rosenstein-the-cdcs-dr-nancy-messonnier-drops-a-bomb-on-president-trump-while-on-international-trip/
Quote:Yep, we should believe everything she says. Trust your life on it.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:09 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: For anyone who needs proof what a lying sack of shit TRUMP is . . .
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:23 PM
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Wednesday, February 26, 2020 7:44 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Yeah, sure. This coming from the sister of Rod Rosenstein. So? Quote:And is a rabid anti-Trumper. https://theunionjournal.com/just-like-her-corrupt-brother-rod-rosenstein-the-cdcs-dr-nancy-messonnier-drops-a-bomb-on-president-trump-while-on-international-trip/ You mean making this announcement was her one and only anti-Trump sally? OOC, if in her position at the CDC you think she SHOULDN'T be making this kind of announcement - who at the CDC do you think should? Quote:Yep, we should believe everything she says. Trust your life on it.
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SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: If you want to come out of this less scathed I think you better ignore Trump, ignore the press, ignore the hysteria, and make your preparations.
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Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:45 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: The deal is this: the NCov-19 is incredibly infectious. Scientists now claim to have found HIV-like sequences on the Wuhan virus' surface ... this time repeated between Chinese and EU labs ... which make the virus 100-1000 more efficient at infecting human cells than the SARS virus. And altho this virus is less deadly than SARS (2% for NCov-19 and 8-10% for SARS) it's infectivity more than makes up for it's lowered mortality rate. Plus, the whole problem of reinfection had not been resolved. It's best to limit your exposure to large groups of people: restaurants, sports events, gyms, theme parks, airports, train stations, buses ... I would wear a mask, if only to remind yourself not to touch you nose, mouth, or (hopefully) eyes without washing and sanitizing your hands first. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake Happy New Year, WISHY. I edited out your psychopathic screed!
Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:01 AM
Thursday, February 27, 2020 2:20 AM
Quote:SIGNY: The deal is this: the NCov-19 is incredibly infectious. Scientists now claim to have found HIV-like sequences on the Wuhan virus' surface ... this time repeated between Chinese and EU labs ... which make the virus 100-1000 more efficient at infecting human cells than the SARS virus. And altho this virus is less deadly than SARS (2% for NCov-19 and 8-10% for SARS) it's infectivity more than makes up for it's lowered mortality rate. Plus, the whole problem of reinfection had not been resolved. It's best to limit your exposure to large groups of people: restaurants, sports events, gyms, theme parks, airports, train stations, buses ... I would wear a mask, if only to remind yourself not to touch you nose, mouth, or (hopefully) eyes without washing and sanitizing your hands first. ***** SIX: From when? Now until the end of time? I'm still not convinced that this isn't just a social experiment.
Quote: Does anybody here know somebody who has it or even know somebody who knows somebody? Its been something like 32 years and I've never known somebody with AIDS or known anybody who knew anybody with AIDS. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Thursday, February 27, 2020 8:22 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX: From when? Now until the end of time? I'm still not convinced that this isn't just a social experiment.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:45 AM
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Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:22 PM
Quote: As for AIDS... I still don't believe it. I've still never known anybody who's known anybody. AIDS was going to kill all of us, is what they said in school. Don't have sex. You will die of AIDS. AIDS. AIDS. AIDS. SARS, Madcow, Bird Flu, Swine Flue, Killer Bees, Y2K bug, 2012 Mayan calendar, yada, yada, yada...
Thursday, February 27, 2020 4:28 PM
Quote:And then they made a big deal about how great they were at 'containment'. Remember, because they haven't looked anywhere else, it means it doesn't exist anywhere else.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 4:37 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coronavirus-live-updates-first-confirmed-case-of-unknown-origin-emerges-in-us-e2-80-94-in-solano-county/ar-BB10qkVP Coronavirus live updates: First confirmed case of unknown origin emerges in U.S. — in Solano County https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/26/f889693a-580e-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html
Thursday, February 27, 2020 4:42 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: SIX: From when? Now until the end of time? I'm still not convinced that this isn't just a social experiment. Huh? An experiment to determine ... what, exactly? Conducted by .... who, exactly?
Thursday, February 27, 2020 4:46 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say Research by team from Nankai University shows new virus has mutated gene similar to those found in HIV and Ebola When looking at the genome sequence of the new coronavirus, Professor Ruan Jishou and his team at Nankai University in Tianjin found a section of mutated genes that did not exist in Sars, but were similar to those found in HIV and Ebola. “This finding suggests that 2019-nCoV [the new coronavirus] may be significantly different from the Sars coronavirus in the infection pathway,” the scientists said in a paper published this month on Chinaxiv.org, a platform used by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to release scientific research papers before they have been peer-reviewed. The mutation could not be found in Sars, Mers or Bat-CoVRaTG13, a bat coronavirus that was considered the original source of the new coronavirus with 96 per cent similarity in genes, it said. Meanwhile, a study by French scientist Etienne Decroly at Aix-Marseille University, which was published in the scientific journal Antiviral Research on February 10, also found a “furin-like cleavage site” that is absent in similar coronaviruses.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 4:52 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: And then they made a big deal about how great they were at 'containment'. Remember, because they haven't looked anywhere else, it means it doesn't exist anywhere else.
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: I didn't realize it, but it wasn't that general surveillance just didn't happen by accident. It was because it was not allowed if someone wasn't from a high-risk situation. So there may be all sorts of people out there with COVID-19 that weren't tested by official policy. That makes yesterday's presser about how great containment is more like intentional propaganda. Anyway, after -- somehow -- testing a person who didn't meet the criteria for being tested, and finding apparent community transmission, the CDC has changed its rules: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html Testing is now allowed for serious cases only, like pneumonia, that have no other apparent cause.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Yes, AIDS is going to kill 2/3 of the world population before 1990 unless draconian measures must be enacted. Yawn. None of those insipid measures were taken. AIDS is just a hoax. But it has snookered a couple generations so far. ETA: I've met folk who claim they knew somebody who died of AIDS, or had AIDS. After they overcame their reluctance to share the facts, they always admitted the person was a drug addict, or on drugs known to kill humans, and their death was exactly the version known to follow the type of drugs they were taking. The same end as printed in the medical texts from the 1950s.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:33 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Yes, AIDS is going to kill 2/3 of the world population before 1990 unless draconian measures must be enacted. Yawn. None of those insipid measures were taken. AIDS is just a hoax. But it has snookered a couple generations so far. ETA: I've met folk who claim they knew somebody who died of AIDS, or had AIDS. After they overcame their reluctance to share the facts, they always admitted the person was a drug addict, or on drugs known to kill humans, and their death was exactly the version known to follow the type of drugs they were taking. The same end as printed in the medical texts from the 1950s.
Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:21 PM
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Friday, February 28, 2020 12:45 AM
Friday, February 28, 2020 2:02 AM
Friday, February 28, 2020 2:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Just anecdotal "evidence" as far as I'm concerned. AIDS isn't likely to be real. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, February 28, 2020 7:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: So I heard on the news that some patient's dog tested positive for coronavirus. If that kind of thing stands up to testing, and if it can be extended to other species, it has huge implications not just for medicine, but for the environment. Not exactly the Satan bug, but ...
Friday, February 28, 2020 8:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: You must be trolling us. I mean, I knew in the beginning of the epidemic there were people who insisted ... INSISTED, I TELL YOU... that a retrovirus wasn't the cause of AIDS, that it was a "lifestyle" disease caused by drug use and the "homosexual lifestyle". That non-homosexuals and non-drug users (like, children who caught it from their mothers during birth) also got AIDS? Piffle! That clean living and vitamins didn't provide a cure? Just a hoax!
Friday, February 28, 2020 8:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything. But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax. You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion.
Friday, February 28, 2020 9:02 AM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Quote:Originally posted by 1KIKI: Yanno Jack - it's not as if I didn't do any reading either, or understand the basic biological processes, or the testing technology, electronics, chemistry, or ... anything. But I know you'll dismiss that. My lived experience doesn't count. All the science, technology, and biology my understanding is based on is brainwashing. All the studies I read from all the researchers in all the countries all around the world over all the decades are just some global hoax. You have no problems dismissing all of that, because that lets you keep your religion. I'm not religious. Like, at all... I've just never seen or heard of anyone with AIDS that wasn't a made for TV movie meant to scare teenagers out of having sex. Do Right, Be Right. :)
Friday, February 28, 2020 11:12 AM
WISHIMAY
Quote:Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Its been something like 32 years and I've never known somebody with AIDS or known anybody who knew anybody with AIDS.
Friday, February 28, 2020 11:19 AM
Friday, February 28, 2020 11:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by captaincrunch: I read somewhere that the Coronavirus is a Dem plot to defeat Trump.
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