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And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I DID read it. Did you? All the way to the end?

BTW - you were geographically closer to the Ebola response under Obama - the one where a single Ebola patient on US soil managed to infect 2 nurses in a completely botched response. That went well, didn't it?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I DID read it. Did you? All the way to the end?

BTW - you were geographically closer to the Ebola response under Obama - the one where a single Ebola patient on US soil managed to infect 2 nurses in a completely botched response. That went well, didn't it?

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Originally posted by SHITSTAIN:
Your response above means the same as your signature: And if democrats don't do any different, how are they any better? The next thing you could do, 1kiki, is to complain about the powers that be (TPTB) not respecting you. TPTB know and care about you exactly as much, and in the same way, as your nearby neighbors who have never met you and don't care to. That's why TPTB do exactly what your neighbors do for you: nothing.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Do you have a point to make? Or are you just free-associating on pain meds?

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Do you have a point to make? Or are you just free-associating on pain meds?

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Originally posted by SHITSTAIN:
I was not clear enough: 1kiki, you give people that are in your neighborhood no reason to care about you. It would follow that the powers that be also have no reason to care what happens to you. That is why your life is fucked up, 1kiki. Don't pretend it is not. You write too much about yourself in other threads to pretend otherwise convincingly.

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BUT !! .. back to the OP:
Global coronavirus cases surge past 80,000 as new outbreak clusters emerge

According to the CDC, both Italy and Iran are experiencing “sustained community spread of respiratory illness (COVID-19) caused by the novel coronavirus.”

The United States has raised its travel advisories for South Korea and Japan, warning about "sustained community spread" ...

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You can be just like Jack, SHITSTAIN !!! You ASSume that nobody can just be impersonally INTERESTED in something novel! You 2 have that in common.

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First you complain that Trump hobbled US response in the face of a threatening contagion, now you claim it's just panic.

Yanno, if you don't take drugs or meds, then it's pretty obvious you've got nothing to blame your broken mind on except genetics and your own mental habit of feeding your hatreds.

Isn't that so, Incognito?

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
You OBVIOUSLY didn't read your own link. I suggest you post it in full and then point out the parts that describe WHAT TRUMP DID EXACTLY. Not the whinging and the whining but what he ACTUALLY DID.

Oh, BTW, I think it's the CDC and the State Department telling people there is sustained local transmission of coronavirus in Japan, Korea, Iran, and Italy. Maybe you should tell them they're yelling fire! in a crowded theater. You should get on it right away, before they declare anything else.


Otherwise - meh. You can keep diddling yourself for all I care, SHITSTAIN.

Buh bye!

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SHITSTAIN: This is panic you are spreading.

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In the spring of 2018, the White House pushed Congress to cut funding for Obama-era disease security programs, proposing to eliminate $252 million in previously committed resources for rebuilding health systems in Ebola-ravaged Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea.

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Under fire from both sides of the aisle, President Donald Trump dropped the proposal to eliminate Ebola funds a month later.

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But other White House efforts included reducing $15 billion in national health spending and cutting the global disease-fighting operational budgets

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of the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS. And the government’s $30 million Complex Crises Fund was eliminated.

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In May 2018, Trump ordered the NSC’s entire global health security unit shut down, calling for reassignment of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer

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and dissolution of his team inside the agency. The month before, then-White House National Security Advisor John Bolton pressured Ziemer’s DHS counterpart, Tom Bossert,

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to resign along with his team. Neither the NSC nor DHS epidemic teams have been replaced. The global health section of the CDC was so drastically cut in 2018 that much of its staff was laid off and the number of countries it was working in was reduced from 49 to merely 10.

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Meanwhile, throughout 2018, the U.S. Agency for International Development and its director, Mark Green, came repeatedly under fire from both the White House and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

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And though Congress has so far managed to block Trump administration plans to cut the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps by 40 percent, the disease-fighting cadres have steadily eroded as retiring officers go unreplaced.

Klain has been warning for two years that the United States was in grave danger should a pandemic emerge. In 2017 and 2018, the philanthropist billionaire Bill Gates met repeatedly with Bolton and his predecessor, H.R. McMaster, warning that ongoing cuts to the global health disease infrastructure would render the United States vulnerable to, as he put it, the “significant probability of a large and lethal modern-day pandemic occurring in our lifetimes.”

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And an independent, bipartisan panel formed by the Center for Strategic and International Studies concluded that lack of preparedness was so acute in the Trump administration that the “United States must either pay now and gain protection and security or wait for the next epidemic and pay a much greater price in human and economic costs.”

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The next epidemic is now here; we’ll soon know the costs imposed by the Trump administration’s early negligence and present panic.

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On Jan. 29, Trump announced the creation of the President’s Coronavirus Task Force, an all-male group of a dozen advisors, five from the White House staff. Chaired by Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar, the task force includes men from the CDC, State Department, DHS, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Transportation Department. It’s not clear how this task force will function or when it will even convene.

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, the government has resorted to improvisation. In practical terms, the U.S. government’s public health effort is led by Daniel Jernigan, the incident commander for the Wuhan coronavirus response at the CDC. Jernigan is responsible for convening meetings of the nation’s state health commissioners and briefing CDC Director Robert Redfield and his boss, Azar. Meanwhile, state-level health leaders told me that they have been sharing information with one another and deciding how best to prepare their medical and public health workers without waiting for instructions from federal leadership. The most important federal program for local medical worker and hospital epidemic training, however, will run out of money in May, as Congress has failed to vote on its funding.

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The HHS Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) is the bulwark between hospitals and health departments versus pandemic threats; last year HHS requested $2.58 billion, but Congress did not act.

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SHITSTAIN: This is panic you are spreading.

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Then stay out of the thread and you won't be bothered.

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Yanno, SHITSTAIN, I scanned your posts and you have not added a single relevant piece of information to the thread. You've turned it into yet another one of your anti-Trump dumping grounds. I, for one, don't intend to play that game. Putting you on "ignore" now; I don't give a crap WHAT you post.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It never happened.
Not a doctor.
A lawyer.
Not the US.
Conclusion without evidence.
Not Trump.
Not Trump.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
He's the president of the United States, dipshit. He's supposed to say stuff like that even if it isn't true.

You like to pretend you're the owner of a billion+ dollar company. You should at least know what you're talking about when you lie.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.

IT WAS TOLERABLE WHEN HE MADE A COUPLE OF THREADS HIS PERSONAL DUMPING GROUNDS, BUT NOT HE'S DERAILING THIS ONE, TOO. YOU'RE HELPING HIM. JUST PUT HIM ON "IGNORE".

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"We Can't Stop This": Japan Rolls Out New 'Harm Reduction' Policy Aimed At Limiting Virus-Related Deaths

Overwhelmed by a flurry of 'unsolved' cases (that is, cases with no obvious connection to the outbreak in China, or anywhere else), Japanese health authorities announced on Tuesday a new plan intended to focus the country's precious medical resources on the most serious cases, while advising those with mild symptoms to treat themselves at home.

The approach differs markedly from the heavy handed tactics employed by Beijing, which at its peak had 760 million - roughly half the country - under some form of lockdown restriction.

According to the Washington Post, the "basic premise" of the Japanese plan is that the virus can't be stopped. That's right: The Japanese are essentially acknowledging that the thesis proposed by Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch - ie that 70% of the world's population might someday contract the virus - has at least some legitimacy.

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Italian Cases Soar Past 300 As EU Stubbornly Refuses To Close Borders; 10 Dead: Live Updates

WHO warns the rest of the world "is not ready for the virus to spread..."

CDC warns Americans "should prepare for possible community spread" of virus.

Italy cases spike to 322; deaths hit 10

HHS Sec. Azar warns US lacks stockpiles of masks

Italy Hotel in Lockdown After First Coronavirus Case in Liguria

First case in Switzerland

First case in Austria

First case in Spain

Iran Deputy Health Minister infected with Covid-19

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South Korean Crisis-Response Coordinator Commits Suicide As Cases Near 1,000, Deaths Hit 11

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
BUT !!! ... back to the OP:


https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10735581-181/california-tells-7000-
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California tells 7,600 people to 'self-quarantine' because of coronavirus

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"We Can't Stop This": Japan Rolls Out New 'Harm Reduction' Policy Aimed At Limiting Virus-Related Deaths

Overwhelmed by a flurry of 'unsolved' cases (that is, cases with no obvious connection to the outbreak in China, or anywhere else), Japanese health authorities announced on Tuesday a new plan intended to focus the country's precious medical resources on the most serious cases, while advising those with mild symptoms to treat themselves at home.

The approach differs markedly from the heavy handed tactics employed by Beijing, which at its peak had 760 million - roughly half the country - under some form of lockdown restriction.

According to the Washington Post, the "basic premise" of the Japanese plan is that the virus can't be stopped. That's right: The Japanese are essentially acknowledging that the thesis proposed by Harvard epidemiologist Marc Lipsitch - ie that 70% of the world's population might someday contract the virus - has at least some legitimacy.

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You can find Japan's "new policy" here https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-japan-idUSKCN20J0EB

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Italian Cases Soar Past 300 As EU Stubbornly Refuses To Close Borders; 10 Dead: Live Updates

WHO warns the rest of the world "is not ready for the virus to spread..."

CDC warns Americans "should prepare for possible community spread" of virus.

Italy cases spike to 322; deaths hit 10

HHS Sec. Azar warns US lacks stockpiles of masks

Italy Hotel in Lockdown After First Coronavirus Case in Liguria

First case in Switzerland

First case in Austria

First case in Spain

Iran Deputy Health Minister infected with Covid-19

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Without looking too deeply into the whys and wherefores ... it seems the death rate is sensitive to either the (1) ability of the medical system to treat the illness or (2) the abundance of test kits and thoroughness of testing or (3) the race being struck.

When the virus hits a shipful of wealthy, mostly Anglos, or several towns of Italians, the death rate appears pretty low (0.5%). Higher than the regular flu (0.08% usually attributed to the flu) but not as bad as reoprted from China (2-2.5%).

OTOH, if reinfection is possible and the symptoms are worse than the first infection, Japan's strategy (let people "self isolate", only treat the sickest) is going to come back and bite them in the butt, because the virus won't sweep thru leaving behind a resistant population, it will sweep thru and leave behind an especially vulnerable one, ripe for an even worse crisis later.

It's critically important that this issue of "reinfection" be understood: What kind of immunity is built up (if any)? How often does reinfection occur? Are the symptoms worse that the first infection? Among other things, if the immune response is weak or (worse) counterproductive, then the idea of a vaccine doesn't promise much.

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https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10735581-181/california-tells-7000-
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California tells 7,600 people to 'self-quarantine' because of coronavirus

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I feel this was misleading. The key factor was that these 7,600 people were specifically those who had returned from China following the outbreak.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Individually, people can take the measures recommended for other infectious diseases, like washing their hands, covering their mouths when they cough, and staying home and away from others when they are sick.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
This site lists Canada as 11 cases.

And U.S. with 53 cases. In 9th place, and with 5 recovered.

Also, Active cases are 22% serious or critical, and Inactive cases are 9% fatal.

Diamond Princess has fallen to 3rd place, behind S Korea.

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I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.

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I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. It would seem they're just about as out of touch as your typical Leftist Elite.

Must be nice having that cushy government job and government health insurance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
I'm just grading myself on the spread of SARS-COV-2. Pretty early on I was extremely critical of WHO, and my opinion was that global spread was inevitable because WHO (Tedros) was far too compromised to do what needed to be done. But I was also far too optimistic that 'somebody' at 'some point' would do 'something' to stop the train I saw coming down the tracks. I was giving the benefit of the doubt, and putting hopeful question marks on what I thought was the near future.

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I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Yup. It would seem they're just about as out of touch as your typical Leftist Elite.

Must be nice having that cushy government job and government health insurance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Well ... on the one hand you say you want a meritocracy. And these people are true global experts as good or better than anyone else you'll find anywhere on the planet. They'd easily be making at least several times more if they worked for private industry instead of public health.

OTOH you seem to resent them because they're not making the same wages as someone who moves boxes and pallets. Their jobs are too cushy compared to their expertise.

idk, Jack. Maybe you could do a better job explaining what your thoughts are.

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Originally posted by SHITSTAIN:
You are not as smart as you think. If WHO can't stop the Flu, it is obvious that WHO can't stop coronavirus.

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I completely understand your crankiness at their rather unrealistic view of average US life and how much latitude people (don't) have.

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Yup. It would seem they're just about as out of touch as your typical Leftist Elite.

Must be nice having that cushy government job and government health insurance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Well ... on the one hand you say you want a meritocracy. And these people are true global experts as good or better than anyone else you'll find anywhere on the planet. They'd easily be making at least several times more if they worked for private industry instead of public health.

OTOH you seem to resent them because they're not making the same wages as someone who moves boxes and pallets. Their jobs are too cushy compared to their expertise.

idk, Jack. Maybe you could do a better job explaining what your thoughts are.

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They might be educated, but none of them seem to know what they're doing.

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You are not as smart as you think. If WHO can't stop the Flu, it is obvious that WHO can't stop coronavirus.

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You're dumber than a rock. Flu and coronavirus are 2 entirely different things. Why don't you know that by now? It's been in the news more than enough times. And yes, it's possible to stop coronavirus. They stopped SARS and MERS, 2 previous coronaviruses.

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Trolling, straw-manning, self-contradiction, and blatant lying.

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Stopping air travel. Quarantine. Containment. Those are all things that were done back then to stop SARS, thanks to medical science figuring out what it was and how it spread.

Those were all the things WHO could have done for SARS-COV-2 now, and should have done, to STOP (not 'eradicate') SARS-COV-2.

If WHO(the morally crippled Tedros) had taken action earlier, we probably wouldn't be facing what we're facing.

That's the problem with morally crippled people, like Tedros, and you. They're incapable of doing what's right if it conflicts with their food bowl.

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https://www.who.int/trade/distance_learning/gpgh/gpgh8/en/index7.html

"WHO can NOT close borders and stop flights."

Really?

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