So I was watching the DNC Southern Caucus by Connorflynn

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So I was watching the DNC Southern Caucus

POSTED BY: CONNORFLYNN
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 04:13
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Monday, January 10, 2005 10:31 AM

Anyone watch the political caucuses at all?

DNC contenders:
Jim Blanchard, former Michigan governor
Howard Dean, former Vermont governor
Donnie Fowler Jr., political director for Gore in 2000
Martin Frost, outgoing Texas representative
Harold Ickes, former Clinton White House staffer
Molly Beth Malcolm, former Texas Democratic chairwoman
Tim Roemer, former Indiana representative
Simon Rosenberg, founder of the New Democrat Network
Wellington Webb, former Denver Mayor

I'm disturbed by both parties really. One thing that struck me as damn scary last night was a quote by a DNC contender..

"Our constituents don't know what is in their best interest..it's up to us to tell them what is in their best interest"

I dunno about you..but I'm able to determine what is in my best interests. I don't need a political party or hack to tell me that. What I want to hear from them is how they are going to further the country's best interests.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 10:40 AM

MONTANAGIRL

Okay, I'm a little nervous about jumping into a real world discussion because they get so heated, but...

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
"Our constituents don't know what is in their best interest..it's up to us to tell them what is in their best interest"

That quote sums up why I'm a Republican and not a Democrat.

Packer fans welcome.
All others tolerated.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 12:02 PM

CONNORFLYNN

I have to say I now understand the draw to Howard Dean. He's a pretty powerful speaker and I felt he was a guy I could trust, if that doesn't sound too weird when discussing politicians LOL. Of the folks that spoke I felt he was probably the most clear in his responses and seemed to ACTUALLY belive in what he was saying. To me that is something the dems have been lacking since Clinton..the appearance of believing in themselves and having a position they could stand on, rather then waffling (pun intended)

I'm still not sure how John Kerry won the nomination.

With that said..I didn't see a stark difference between Dems and Republicans in their words or their desires.

It was an interesting watch anyways LOL.

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Monday, January 10, 2005 5:30 PM

TRIBES

Hi Connor, just for reference who was the contender that voiced that sentiment?

'well here I am'

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Monday, January 10, 2005 8:50 PM

NEUTRINOLAD

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:
I'm disturbed by both parties really.

Amen, brother.

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Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:25 AM

CONNORFLYNN

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Originally posted by tribes:
Hi Connor, just for reference who was the contender that voiced that sentiment?

'well here I am'

Ugh.. don't hold me to this, but I think it was Simon Rosenberg. I tried to find a transcript of it online. No luck yet..mostly a bunch of REALLY edited stuff.

What was scary about it was there were a couple of other folks at the table nodding LOL.

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Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:40 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
"Our constituents don't know what is in their best interest..it's up to us to tell them what is in their best interest"

So much for the concepts of... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

or....WE the PEOPLE .... huh?

I'd like VERY much to know which DNC contender uttered those words quoted above.

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Tuesday, January 11, 2005 4:56 PM

SOUPCATCHER

You got me thinking, since I never understood what the draw to Howard Dean was, and I realized that I had never watched him speak for an extended period of time - only sound bites or printed excerpts. I'll stick him in my list of people to pay more attention to in the future (Brian Schweitzer of Montana, Christopher Shays of Connecticut and Barack Obama of Illinois were my new additions of the past few months)

It seems to me that he scares the beltway Democrats, which is a good thing IMO, and that he managed to drum up a lot of support from people who either did not vote or did not vote for a Democrat previously. Those might be good things for a chairman - especially since the chairman wouldn't run for President in 2008 so that would allow the Democrats to acknowledge a new large group of potential voters while still calming those who were scared of Dean. He also sounds like a Centrist, which might be what the Democratic party needs, although I wasn't convinced that Kerry was as liberal as he was painted.

Speaking of Kerry, did you happen to catch the Jon Stewart bit on the Palestinian elections? Great stuff. He had a clip of Kerry droning on and on about the elections and then the camera cut to Stewart holding his head in his hands. He looks up and says something like, "Now he's going to lose the Palestinian election."

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Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:05 PM

SSPRINGS

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Speaking of Kerry, did you happen to catch the Jon Stewart bit on the Palestinian elections? Great stuff. He had a clip of Kerry droning on and on about the elections and then the camera cut to Stewart holding his head in his hands. He looks up and says something like, "Now he's going to lose the Palestinian election."

I saw that...I actually laughed out loud at that part!

The caucas was interesting, to say the least. I watched it (most of it) on C-Span so I think I probably got a mostly unedited version of it.

They spent a lot of time discussing "what went wrong" in the most recent election.

The consensus was that the Democrats lost votes from women and hispanics, but mostly women.

Howard Dean referred to the fact that in a power group run by men one should really get some women hired for the cause. Why? Because women recruit women.

Wellington Webb said one would be an idiot to not try to attract women to the cause. "Women have been the backbone of these organizations."

David Leland said that over 90% of his staffers were women, therefore, obviously, there is an untapped group of voters out there.

Donnie Fowler said women are some of his favorite people.

Martin Frost pointed out that his wife is the highest ranking woman in the armed forces therefore he is used to dealing with strong women.

Regarding abortion, Timothy Roemer accused Republicans of caring only about getting that woman into the delivery room and then not remembering the child after the birth.

GO WOMEN, apparently. Except that I didn't really go away from the broadcast feeling as though any of these men were really all that "for" women. Why are there no women vying for the chair?

The differences between the two main parties have become so obscure that it's almost impossible to tell who belongs to what party. It's unfortunate.

But I have to agree that Howard Dean seemed very impressive...especially when compared to the company on that stage. I do have a hard time accepting the fact, though, that this is the best that America has to offer.

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Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:13 AM

CONNORFLYNN

Look..I'm a conservative (Libertarian leaning..less government, more personal independence).

However..Howard Dean did seem to be the most organized and coherent.

For the most part politicians in general tend to be pretty damn offensive and incoherent. To the 2 big parties we are chattle. Naught more then folks who should put them in power..like we are material belongings hehe. I hate the fact that the Dems constantly take for granted minorities and Liberal intellectuals (Conservatives have Intellectuals too hehe). I found it offensive to declare that Republicans were coming in and stealing "Our" Black and Hispanic voters..the "Black and Hispanic Voters" are ours..kills me.

How about saying.. "we aren't making the right statements and getting AMERICANS on board". I'm so sick of the racial and sexual divisiveness of the Dems. We are human beings who deserve more.

The Republicans aren't any different..they take the South and Midwest for granted.

As Lewis Black put it recently:

"The Republican Party is a party of BAD Ideas..and the Democratic Party is a party of NO Ideas."

"The only thing scarier then Repubs and Dems alone..is when the WORK together"

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