REAL WORLD EVENT DISCUSSIONS

compilation of 2020 election and vote threads - please add any I missed - & misc posts

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 5:32 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Election Day Oddities
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63976&p=1

Election Fraud Debunking Megathread
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63987&p=1

claims of 'stolen' elections - Hillary and the DNC wrote the playbook
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64074&p=1

Over 432,000 Votes Removed From Trump in Pennsylvania, Data Scientists Say
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64099&p=1

Elections 2020
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62934&p=1

Election fallout
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63978&p=1



JSF threads

Institutionalized Election Fraud: PA Supreme Court Changed Election Day In PA To 6 November
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63882&p=1

How Many States Actually Have Rampant Election Fraud?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63996&p=1

Wisconsin Voter Turnout
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63979&p=1

Countdown To Stealing The Election
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63921&p=1

Election Lawsuits
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=64037&p=1

House Elections 2020
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63269&p=1

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.





Justice Clarence Thomas Dissents From Supreme Court On Election Case: ‘We Need to Make It Clear’
https://www.nationandstate.com/2021/02/22/justice-clarence-thomas-diss
ents-from-supreme-court-on-election-case-we-need-to-make-it-clear
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The court on Monday announced it won’t take up lawsuits challenging a Pennsylvania state court decision that relaxed ballot-integrity measures, including a move to extend the ballot-receipt deadline during the November election by three days ...

“This is not a prescription for confidence,” Thomas wrote on Monday, adding that “changing the rules in the middle of the game is bad enough.” Thomas, considered by many to be the most conservative justice, said the court should have granted a review.

“That decision to rewrite the rules seems to have affected too few ballots to change the outcome of any federal election. But that may not be the case in the future,” Thomas wrote (pdf). “These cases provide us with an ideal opportunity to address just what authority non-legislative officials have to set election rules, and to do so well before the next election cycle. The refusal to do so is inexplicable.”

Other than Thomas, Justices Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch also dissented.

“If state officials have the authority they have claimed, we need to make it clear. If not, we need to put an end to this practice now before the consequences become catastrophic,” Thomas, an appointee of former President George H.W. Bush, also wrote.

“We are fortunate that many of the cases we have seen alleged only improper rule changes, not fraud,” Thomas wrote. “But that observation provides only small comfort. An election free from strong evidence of systemic fraud is not alone sufficient for election confidence. Also important is the assurance that fraud will not go undetected.”


Quote:

Thomas, dissenting opinion

Elections are “of the most fundamental significance under our constitutional structure.” See Illinois Bd. of Elections v. Socialist Workers Party, 440 U. S. 173, 184 (1979). Through them, we exercise self-government. But elections enable self-governance only when they include processes that “giv[e] citizens (including the losing candidates and their supporters) confidence in the fairness of the election.” See Democratic National Committee v. Wisconsin State Legislature, ante, at 3 (KAVANAUGH, J., concurring in denial of application to vacate stay); accord, Purcell v. Gonzalez, 549 U.S. 1, 4 (2006) (per curiam) (“Confidence in the integrity of our electoral processes is essential to the functioning of our participatory democracy”). Unclear rules threaten to undermine this system. They sow confusion and ultimately dampen confidence in the integrity and fairness of elections. To prevent confusion, we have thus repeatedly — although not as consistently as we should — blocked rule changes made by courts close to an election.

An election system lacks clear rules when, as here, different officials dispute who has authority to set or change those rules. This kind of dispute brews confusion because voters may not know which rules to follow. Even worse, with more than one system of rules in place, competing candidates might each declare victory under different sets of rules. We are fortunate that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision to change the receipt deadline for mail-in ballots does not appear to have changed the outcome in any federal election. This Court ordered the county boards to segregate ballots received later than the deadline set by the legislature. Order in Republican Party of Pa. v. Boockvar, No. 20A84. And none of the parties contend that those ballots made an outcome-determinative difference in any relevant federal election. But we may not be so lucky in the future. Indeed, a separate decision by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court may have already altered an election result. A different petition argues that after election day the Pennsylvania Supreme Court nullified the legislative requirement that voters write the date on mail-in ballots. See Pet. for Cert., O. T. 2020, No. 20–845. According to public reports, one candidate for a state senate seat claimed victory under what she contended was the legislative rule that dates must be included on the ballots. A federal court noted that this candidate would win by 93 votes under that rule. Ziccarelli v. Alle-gheny Cty. Bd. of Elections, 2021 WL 101683, *1 (WD Pa., Jan. 12, 2021). A second candidate claimed victory under the contrary rule announced by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. He was seated. That is not a prescription for confidence. Changing the rules in the middle of the game is bad enough. Such rule changes by officials who may lack authority to do so is even worse. When those changes alter election results, they can severely damage the electoral system on which our self-governance so heavily depends. If state officials have the authority they have claimed, we need to make it clear. If not, we need to put an end to this practice now before the consequences become catastrophic.

At first blush, it may seem reasonable to address this question when it next arises. After all, the 2020 election is now over, and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court’s decision was not outcome-determinative for any federal election. But whatever force that argument has in other contexts, it fails in the context of elections. For at least three reasons, the Judiciary is ill equipped to address problems — including those caused by improper rule changes — through post-election litigation. First, post-election litigation is truncated by firm time-lines. That is especially true for Presidential elections, which are governed by the Electoral Count Act, passed in 1887. That Act sets federal elections for the day after the first Monday in November — last year, November 3. See 3 U.S. C.§1. Under a statutory safe-harbor provision, a State has about five weeks to address all disputes and make a “final determination” of electors if it wants that decision to “be conclusive.” §5. Last year’s deadline fell on December 8, and the Electoral College voted just six days later.§7. Five to six weeks for judicial testing is difficult enough for straightforward cases. For factually complex cases, compressing discovery, testimony, and appeals into this timeline is virtually impossible. Second, this timeframe imposes especially daunting constraints when combined with the expanded use of mail-in ballots. Voting by mail was traditionally limited to voters who had defined, well-documented reasons to be absent. See, e.g., Moreton, Note, Voting by Mail, 58 S. Cal. L. Rev. 1261, 1261–1264 (1985). In recent years, however, many States have become more permissive, a trend greatly accelerated by COVID–19. In Pennsylvania, for example, mail-in ballots composed just 4% of ballots cast in 2018. But the legislature dramatically expanded the process in 2019, thereby increasing the mail-in ballots cast in 2020 to 38%. This expansion impedes post-election judicial review because litigation about mail-in ballots is substantially more complicated. For one thing, as election administrators have long agreed, the risk of fraud is “vastly more prevalent” for mail-in ballots. Liptak, Error and Fraud at Issue as Absentee Voting Rises, N.Y. Times, Oct. 6, 2012. The reason is simple: “[A]bsentee voting replaces the oversight that exists at polling places with something akin to an honor system.” Ibid. Heather Gerken, now dean of Yale Law School, explained in the same New York Times article that absentee voting allows for “simpler and more effective alternatives to commit fraud” on a larger scale, such as stealing absentee ballots or stuffing a ballot box, which explains “‘why all the evidence of stolen elections involves absentee ballots and the like.’” Ibid. The same article states that “[v]oting by mail is now common enough and problematic enough that election experts say there have been multiple elections in which no one can say with confidence which candidate was the deserved winner.” Ibid. Pennsylvania knows this well. Even before widespread absentee voting, a federal court had reversed the result of a state senate election in Philadelphia after finding that the supposedly prevailing candidate “conducted an illegal absentee ballot conspiracy and that the [election officials] covertly facilitated the scheme with the specific purpose of ensuring a victory for” that candidate. Marks v. Stinson, 1994 WL 146113, *29, *36 (ED Pa., Apr. 26, 1994). This problem is not unique to Pennsylvania, and it has not gone away. Two years ago, a congressional election in North Carolina was thrown out in the face of evidence of tampering with absentee ballots. Because fraud is more prevalent with mail-in ballots, increased use of those ballots raises the likelihood that courts will be asked to adjudicate questions that go to the heart of election confidence.2 Fraud is not the only aspect of mail-in ballots that complicates post-election judicial review. Also relevant are the corresponding safeguards that States put in place to ameliorate that heightened risk of fraud. To balance the “strong interest” of ballot access with the “‘compelling interest in preserving the integrity of [the] election process,’” Purcell, 549 U. S., at 4, many States have expanded mail-in ballots but sought to deter fraud — and create mechanisms to detect it — by requiring voters to return ballots in signed, dated secrecy envelopes. Some States also require witness or notary signatures. Tallying these ballots tends to be more labor intensive, involves a high degree of subjective judgment(e.g., verifying signatures), and typically leads to a far higher rate of ballot challenges and rejections. Litigation over these ballots can require substantial discovery and labor-intensive fact review. In some cases, it might require sifting through hundreds of thousands or millions of ballots. It also may require subjective judgment calls about the validity of thousands of ballots. Judicial review in this situation is difficult enough even when the rules are clear and the number of challenged ballots small. Adding a dispute about who can set or change the rules greatly exacerbates the problem. Third, and perhaps most significant, post-election litigation sometimes forces courts to make policy decisions that they have no business making. For example, when an official has improperly changed the rules, but voters have already relied on that change, courts must choose between potentially disenfranchising a subset of voters and enforcing the election provisions — such as receipt deadlines — that the legislature believes are necessary for election integrity. That occurred last year. After a court wrongly altered South Carolina’s witness requirement for absentee ballots, this Court largely reinstated the original rule, but declined to apply it to ballots already cast. Andino v. Middleton, ante, p. ___. Settling rules well in advance of an election rather than relying on post-election litigation ensures that courts are not put in that untenable position. In short, the post-election system of judicial review is at most suitable for garden-variety disputes. It generally cannot restore the state of affairs before an election. And it is often incapable of testing allegations of systemic maladministration, voter suppression, or fraud that go to the heart of public confidence in election results. That is obviously problematic for allegations backed by substantial evidence. But the same is true where allegations are incorrect. After all, “[c]onfidence in the integrity of our electoral process is es-sential to the functioning of our participatory democracy.” Purcell, supra, at 4; cf. McCutcheon v. Federal Election Comm’n, 572 U. S. 185, 191, 206–207 (2014) (plurality opinion) (identifying a compelling interest in rooting out the mere “appearance of corruption” in the political process). An incorrect allegation, left to fester without a robust mechanism to test and disprove it, “drives honest citizens out of the democratic process and breeds distrust of our government.” Purcell, supra, at 4.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/022221zor_2cp3.pdf




Thomas goes on at length regarding the need for the Supreme Court to take up the decision about who can change election rules, and when can they be changed. Interestingly, this isn't the first time these questions have been addressed or studied, especially with regard to mail-in voting, as the extensive cites indicate.

So a clear federal LEGAL standard for who can change voting rules, and when can they be changed, would be a fundamental step in promoting election confidence.


But that still leaves the legitimacy of the 2020 vote in doubt.

For the election result to be clear and unambiguous, a post-election study - especially statistical analysis - by a non-partisan, non-government organization with expertise - like the CalTech/ MIT Vote Project for example - would be needed.

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Tuesday, February 23, 2021 6:26 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Meanwhile, I would hope THIS lawsuit goes to a public conclusion rather than private settlement. There's a lot to unpack here, including private censorship of public political opinion. But if Mike Lindell has 'all the evidence' of a rigged election that he claims to have, it would be a welcome treasure-trove of information.

Quote:

"I Have All The Evidence On Them": MyPillow CEO Lindell Welcomes $1.3 Billion Dominion Lawsuit

Monday, Feb 22, 2021 - 18:20

Dominion Voting Systems is suing Trump supporter Mike Lindell and his company, MyPillow, for $1.3 billion, after the Minnesota-based CEO accused the company of rigging the election for President Biden.

The suit was filed in the US District Court for the District of Columbia, in which Dominion claims that Lindell's statements, social media posts, and a two-hour film he helped produce are false, according to the Wall Street Journal.

"Despite repeated warnings and efforts to share the facts with him, Mr. Lindell has continued to maliciously spread false claims about Dominion, each time giving empty assurances that he would come forward with overwhelming proof," said Dominion CEO John Poulos in a Monday statement to reporters.

Dominion alleges that Lindell knew that 'no credible evidence' supported his claims about election integrity, writing in the complaint: "He is well aware of the independent audits and paper ballot recounts conclusively disproving the Big Lie," adding "But Lindell…sells the lie to this day because the lie sells pillows."

Actually, Lindell's activism has resulted in more than a handful of major retailers dropping his products altogether.

Lindell welcomes the lawsuit, saying in a Monday interview: "I have all the evidence on them," adding "Now this will get disclosed faster, all the machine fraud and the attack on our country."

Dominion’s lawsuit accuses Mr. Lindell of repeatedly and falsely alleging that algorithms in Dominion’s voting machines had stolen votes from Mr. Trump. It said he had undertaken a marketing campaign for the pillow company based on his support for Mr. Trump and the former president’s claims that the election had been stolen from him.

Dominion says the allegations by Mr. Lindell and others have irreparably damaged its reputation, jeopardized its contracts with state and local governments, and prompted death threats and harassment against employees. The company says it supplies election equipment used by more than 40% of U.S. voters. -Wall Street Journal

Last month, Dominion filed lawsuits against Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani and pro-Trujmp attorney Sidney Powell. Giuliani has said he will use the lawsuit to continue investigating Dominion, and claims the suit is an attempt to censor him. Powell says she hasn't published any statements she knew to be false, and that she has credible evidence.

Beyond that, Dominion has sent letters to multiple media outlets over their coverage - which ostensibly caused a Newsmax anchor to storm off the set of an interview with Lindell earlier this month.

Newsmax just censored Mike Lindell.

I’m done with @newsmax pic.twitter.com/aDKRBiRLGI
— Art TakingBack ???? (@ArtValley_818) February 3, 2021

Meanwhile, voting company Smartmatic USA Corp has similarly sued Fox News for $2.7 billion in damages for what they claim were defamatory on-air comments.

In January, Twitter suspended Lindell for violating their 'civic integrity' policy.






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Wednesday, February 24, 2021 3:47 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Not sure what are your criteria, now much of the thread was devoted to what you include.


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64070

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63510

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63742

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63851

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63062

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64099

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63821

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63854

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63976

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64005

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64007

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62903

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63980

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63952

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63958

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63945

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63962

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63946

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63831

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63984

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63139

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63768



http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63944


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Wednesday, February 24, 2021 9:11 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



THANKS! JSF for posting all those extra links!

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Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:00 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Friday, February 26, 2021 4:01 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Thanks! Originally I was interested in the election process per se, not about the politicking, but these are all worthy of compiling to make it a more complete thread!


Hopefully the partisans from the other side will complete it with their own list(s) that fit(s) their political agenda.


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Friday, February 26, 2021 4:13 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



with thread titles attached, duplicates removed
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Not sure what are your criteria, now much of the thread was devoted to what you include.

Georgia US Senate runoff
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64070

Electoral College 2020
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63510

What if Biden wins in 2020?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63742

The Ongoing Perpetual Wuhan Coronavirus Scare, Lockdown, Unemployment and Corruption
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63851

The secret plot to depose Trump
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63062

Where Did All Of The Voting Fraud Threads Go?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63821

Biden goes full Ron Burgundy, accidentally reads teleprompter cues
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63854

March in suppport of Trump DC 2020
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64005

If Cracker Jack Were Made of Popcorn and Dogshit, and Half the People Threw Out the Popcorn...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64007

Who Is Running In 2020?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62903

If The Newly Elected House Elects the President
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63980

Can I Change My Vote?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63952

Can't trust the polls, huh NYT? Ain't that sad...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63958

Reasons To Vote For Trump
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63945

When more Black Rappers endorse Trump than endorsed Obama...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63962

This dude looks like he's up to no good...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63946

Ruh Roh... Biden Behind in Top Battleground States Compared to Clinton
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63831

If Joe Obiden Is Elected, Who Will Be President?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63984

Senate Race 2020
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63139

Mail Delays Fuel Concern Trump Is Undercutting Postal System Ahead of Voting
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63768

A Case For Early In-Person Voting
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63944



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Friday, February 26, 2021 4:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



with thread titles attached, duplicates removed
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
still continuing...

How ya'all feeling about Biden's chances now that Kanye West is running for President?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63718

Don't vote on Election Day
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63799

So, speaking of loving the Constitition and following the rules (not): Dem think tank plans color revolution if Trump wins
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63781

All factual claims of cheating aside...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63783

C'mon Man! Too many good thread titles to choose from... (Re: Biden should be in a home)
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63776

Even the NYT is worried...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63778

Ruh Roh...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63763


OK, that looks like the ones I can find and recall - I'm not interrupted this time.

Feel free to review which ones to include or discard.


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Friday, February 26, 2021 6:14 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Originally I was interested in the election process per se, not about the politicking, but these are all worthy of compiling to make it a more complete thread!


Hopefully the partisans from the other side will complete it with their own list(s) of threads about the 2020 election that fit(s) their political agenda.


And then we'll be able to look back on discussions and maybe even refer to them and move forward, instead of endlessly rehashing old arguments over and over.



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Friday, February 26, 2021 10:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Was my 25 Feb post cloaked?

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 12:21 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



???

No, I just attached the thread titles to your links from both days so people could get an idea what they were clicking on, and removed the ones that duplicated my links.


But I wanted to make sure everyone knew the invite to add links for the 2020 election was an open-ended one, so I reposted and added to my invitation.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 7:28 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:44 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
???

No, I just attached the thread titles to your links from both days so people could get an idea what they were clicking on, and removed the ones that duplicated my links.


But I wanted to make sure everyone knew the invite to add links for the 2020 election was an open-ended one, so I reposted and added to my invitation.

You did so for the 24 Feb and 26 Feb posts.

Was the 25 Feb post cloaked on your browser?

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Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:50 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



Oh, THAT'S! what you meant!

No, I just overlooked it from not wanting to spend too much time here because real life calls.

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Sunday, February 28, 2021 2:39 PM

REAVERFAN


CNN reporter slaps down Pence's former chief of staff over continued election whining
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/2/21/2017323/-CNN-reporter-slaps
-down-Pence-s-former-chief-of-staff-over-continued-election-whining?detail=emaildkbow


Wow! Real questions based in consensus reality! How does CNN do it?

Of course, Short is throwing up dishonest smokescreens while gingerly dropping Raisinets and Junior Mints into the eager, yawning mouths of the mewling baby birds who form the base of his party, and who are agitated as all get-out following four straight years of gaslighting from the Abominable Showman.

None of the so-called “improprieties” Short is discussing here would have come close to overturning the election results, but Trump supporters still need someone to kiss their owies. So GOP leaders need to keep playing these games—which, not for nothing, continue to undermine our democracy.

That someone like Short—who is presumably sane enough to fully glimpse reality—is still flogging resentment over the 2020 election is pretty sad.

But then what would you expect from the chief of staff to the saddest toady this side of Lindsey Graham?
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Like your bosses who tell you what propaganda to post, you mindlessly repeat debunked drivel. Because you have to.

Fuck off, Russian trolls.



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Monday, March 1, 2021 10:35 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Oh, THAT'S! what you meant!

No, I just overlooked it from not wanting to spend too much time here because real life calls.


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Monday, March 1, 2021 10:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I see that the Roomba is still pretending that the 2020 mail-in fraud election was legitimate.




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A government is a body of people usually, notably, governed by Mark Zuckerborg and Slack Dorsey.

Collection of links to Second's, Nilbog's and Marcos' death threats: https://cutt.ly/tkCvEX6

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Monday, March 1, 2021 11:11 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I heard that every single nation in Yurp which had tried mail-in voting had ended the fiasco already, because of the same disaster which occurred in U.S. Election 2020.


Anybody know of an exception?

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Thursday, March 4, 2021 3:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Oh, THAT'S! what you meant!

No, I just overlooked it from not wanting to spend too much time here because real life calls.


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Friday, March 5, 2021 5:34 PM

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Examples of Election Fraud
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HR 1: Election Reform Bill
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Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:13 PM

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Oh, THAT'S! what you meant!

No, I just overlooked it from not wanting to spend too much time here because real life calls.


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Monday, May 3, 2021 1:42 PM

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Half a Year After Trump's Defeat, Arizona Republicans Are Recounting the Vote

https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-trumps-defeat-arizona-republicans-1547
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Friday, May 7, 2021 11:39 AM

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Maricopa County is conducting a forensic audit of its 2020 vote because the State Senate has subpoenaedthe results.

And Dems, not surprisingly, have thrown roadblock after roadblock in front of the process.

They objected to the State Senate's authority to demand such an audit. But the state Senate's authority was held up by the courts.

Then they objected to one of the audit companies (there are four) on the grounds that it was pro-Trump. When the courts bulldozed that objection, they switched to the idea that the audit company did not have an adequate security plan in place (so individual votes would not be revealed) and demanded an immediate stay.

The courts overruled that, but did require that a security plan be submittd.

So a security plan was submitted, on the proviso that it be kept secret, butsome nimord Dem law clerk let it "slip" into publication.

NOW Maricopa County refuses to turn over the election materials, with the Biden* administration providing support.

Quote:

Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk'

Update (1400ET): Something must be really worrying Democrats. There appears to be a full court press effort to delay and defer any and every effort to audit Maricopa County's election results. The Biden justice department added to pressure from Arizona's chief elections officer (a Democrat) and the Arizona Democratic Party, and now, Daniel Payne at JustTheNews.com reports that officials in Arizona's Maricopa County are withholding materials subpoenaed by the state legislature as part of its audit of the county's 2020 election, claiming that surrendering them would constitute a security risk for both law enforcement and federal agencies.

A Monday letter sent from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office to Ken Bennett, the former Arizona secretary of state and the liaison between the state Senate and the auditors, said the county had elected not to turn over "several routers" requested by the legislature due to an alleged "significant security risk to law enforcement data utilized by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as well as numerous federal agencies."

Given that President Biden is the most popular president ever and we know from the mainstream media that there was no, none, zip, nada, election fraud anywhere in America, why are Democrats so aggressively interfering in the process of auditing the county's election?

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arizona-elections-chief-alleges-pr
oblems-maricopa-county-audit-2020-election


I've been following this drawn-out saga since it started,and it's clear that Demsare engaging in a camapaign of obstruction.

Seeing as it's the only forensic audit being conducted on the vote, it's important that it go thru. Or, if you're a Dem, it's vitally important that it be stopped.


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Friday, May 7, 2021 11:52 AM

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It's no different than any Democrat's argument against vaccine passport bans.

"It's a waste of time, but I'm going to do everything in my power to ensure that it doesn't happen anyway."

Liars.

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Friday, May 7, 2021 4:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maricopa County is conducting a forensic audit of its 2020 vote because the State Senate has subpoenaedthe results.

And Dems, not surprisingly, have thrown roadblock after roadblock in front of the process.

They objected to the State Senate's authority to demand such an audit. But the state Senate's authority was held up by the courts.

Then they objected to one of the audit companies (there are four) on the grounds that it was pro-Trump. When the courts bulldozed that objection, they switched to the idea that the audit company did not have an adequate security plan in place (so individual votes would not be revealed) and demanded an immediate stay.

The courts overruled that, but did require that a security plan be submittd.

So a security plan was submitted, on the proviso that it be kept secret, butsome nimord Dem law clerk let it "slip" into publication.

NOW Maricopa County refuses to turn over the election materials, with the Biden* administration providing support.

Quote:

Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk'

Update (1400ET): Something must be really worrying Democrats. There appears to be a full court press effort to delay and defer any and every effort to audit Maricopa County's election results. The Biden justice department added to pressure from Arizona's chief elections officer (a Democrat) and the Arizona Democratic Party, and now, Daniel Payne at JustTheNews.com reports that officials in Arizona's Maricopa County are withholding materials subpoenaed by the state legislature as part of its audit of the county's 2020 election, claiming that surrendering them would constitute a security risk for both law enforcement and federal agencies.

A Monday letter sent from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office to Ken Bennett, the former Arizona secretary of state and the liaison between the state Senate and the auditors, said the county had elected not to turn over "several routers" requested by the legislature due to an alleged "significant security risk to law enforcement data utilized by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as well as numerous federal agencies."

Given that President Biden is the most popular president ever and we know from the mainstream media that there was no, none, zip, nada, election fraud anywhere in America, why are Democrats so aggressively interfering in the process of auditing the county's election?

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arizona-elections-chief-alleges-pr
oblems-maricopa-county-audit-2020-election


I've been following this drawn-out saga since it started,and it's clear that Demsare engaging in a camapaign of obstruction.

Seeing as it's the only forensic audit being conducted on the vote, it's important that it go thru. Or, if you're a Dem, it's vitally important that it be stopped.

AZ may be further along than others, but I think WI and NH are working on it as well.

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Friday, May 7, 2021 4:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maricopa County is conducting a forensic audit of its 2020 vote because the State Senate has subpoenaedthe results.

And Dems, not surprisingly, have thrown roadblock after roadblock in front of the process.

They objected to the State Senate's authority to demand such an audit. But the state Senate's authority was held up by the courts.

Then they objected to one of the audit companies (there are four) on the grounds that it was pro-Trump. When the courts bulldozed that objection, they switched to the idea that the audit company did not have an adequate security plan in place (so individual votes would not be revealed) and demanded an immediate stay.

The courts overruled that, but did require that a security plan be submittd.

So a security plan was submitted, on the proviso that it be kept secret, butsome nimord Dem law clerk let it "slip" into publication.

NOW Maricopa County refuses to turn over the election materials, with the Biden* administration providing support.

Quote:

Maricopa County Defies Subpoena, Won't Release Hardware For Election Audit Over 'Security Risk'

Update (1400ET): Something must be really worrying Democrats. There appears to be a full court press effort to delay and defer any and every effort to audit Maricopa County's election results. The Biden justice department added to pressure from Arizona's chief elections officer (a Democrat) and the Arizona Democratic Party, and now, Daniel Payne at JustTheNews.com reports that officials in Arizona's Maricopa County are withholding materials subpoenaed by the state legislature as part of its audit of the county's 2020 election, claiming that surrendering them would constitute a security risk for both law enforcement and federal agencies.

A Monday letter sent from the Maricopa County Attorney's Office to Ken Bennett, the former Arizona secretary of state and the liaison between the state Senate and the auditors, said the county had elected not to turn over "several routers" requested by the legislature due to an alleged "significant security risk to law enforcement data utilized by the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office as well as numerous federal agencies."

Given that President Biden is the most popular president ever and we know from the mainstream media that there was no, none, zip, nada, election fraud anywhere in America, why are Democrats so aggressively interfering in the process of auditing the county's election?

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/political/arizona-elections-chief-alleges-pr
oblems-maricopa-county-audit-2020-election


I've been following this drawn-out saga since it started,and it's clear that Demsare engaging in a camapaign of obstruction.

Seeing as it's the only forensic audit being conducted on the vote, it's important that it go thru. Or, if you're a Dem, it's vitally important that it be stopped.


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I've been somewhat following that, but not like you! So I appreciate the update. Last I heard they had started the recount, but the place where it's being done (some stadium ?) has another 'event' scheduled in the near future that might impinge on the time needed to complete the recount. Unless I misunderstood ...

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Friday, May 14, 2021 12:46 PM

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The only outlet to follow thiswith regularity seems to be The Epoch Times

Quote:

Dominion, Maricopa County Rebuff Arizona Senate’s Attempt to Get Election Machine Passwords
Auditors found an entire database from a machine deleted, raising concerns


https://m.theepochtimes.com/dominion-maricopa-county-rebuff-arizona-se
nates-attempt-to-get-election-machine-passwords_3815423.html


They have a bunch of articles on Dem onbstructionism and the audit in Maricopa County under "election integrity"
https://m.theepochtimes.com/c-election-integrity

One thing you need to know about The Epoch Times is that they're published by Chinese expats who hate the mainland government, so don't expect any objectivity about China.

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Friday, May 14, 2021 4:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The only outlet to follow thiswith regularity seems to be The Epoch Times

Quote:

Dominion, Maricopa County Rebuff Arizona Senate’s Attempt to Get Election Machine Passwords
Auditors found an entire database from a machine deleted, raising concerns


https://m.theepochtimes.com/dominion-maricopa-county-rebuff-arizona-se
nates-attempt-to-get-election-machine-passwords_3815423.html


They have a bunch of articles on Dem onbstructionism and the audit in Maricopa County under "election integrity"
https://m.theepochtimes.com/c-election-integrity

One thing you need to know about The Epoch Times is that they're published by Chinese expats who hate the mainland government, so don't expect any objectivity about China.

They are familiar with Communist/Marxist Dictators, so they easily recognize the Democrat Party.

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Saturday, May 22, 2021 3:13 PM

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Raising Arizona?

https://tucson.com/news/state-and-regional/arizona-law-requires-public
-release-of-election-audit-materials-group-tells-court/article_ea1ba202-b8ff-11eb-901f-53e05a3d5c1b.html


This is kinda rich. Libtards refused to submit to the same laws while they were "contracted" and funded by non-officeholders like Fuckerberg, but not that they stole the election, they demand that only Republicans succumb to the Law that they circumvented.

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Friday, June 4, 2021 4:47 PM

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Saturday, June 5, 2021 2:32 PM

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I didn't see if this one was already listed:


http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=64328

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Tuesday, June 8, 2021 5:58 AM

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Thursday, June 24, 2021 5:18 PM

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This is exactly the sort of place we should make a State.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-chronicles/jailed-murderer-wi
ns-public-office-in-d-c-election-with-five-inmate-candidates-from-same-prison/?utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=corruption+chronicles&utm_term=members&utm_content=20210623190022



Jailed Murderer Wins Public Office in D.C. Election with Five Inmate Candidates from Same Prison

As the homicide rate hits a record high in Washington D.C. the city elects a convicted murderer to public office in a unique election featuring all inmate candidates. The freshly elected public official, Joel Caston, has been in prison 26 years and is currently incarcerated at the District of Columbia Jail. In 1996 Caston was convicted by a jury of first-degree murder for ambushing and killing a man in the city’s Anacostia neighborhood. Court records obtained by Judicial Watch indicate that a 2016 appeal was denied. In the document, Caston’s attorneys name the victim, which is not common practice today. Court records also reveal a “speed loader”—a device used to rapidly load ammunition into a firearm—was found by police under Caston’s mattress after the shooting. It contained six rounds of .44 caliber ammunition as well as additional rounds of ammo.

Now Caston is a commissioner on D.C.’s Advisory Neighborhood Commission (ANC), which advises the D.C. Council and other local government entities involving matters ranging from liquor license applications to public safety. Commissioners serve two-year terms and are elected in even-numbered years. The ANC was established to bring “government closer to the people, and to bring the people closer to government,” according to its website. Caston was chosen by voters to represent Ward 7, one of D.C.’s most crime-infested areas. It is represented by Councilman Vince Gray, an ex-D.C. mayor who was embroiled in a campaign finance scandal. The Ward 7 ANC seat has never been occupied and D.C. officials conducted an unprecedented election earlier this month to fill the post. All five candidates and the majority of voters they courted are incarcerated at the same prison with Caston, according to a local news report.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 4:10 PM

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 5:58 PM

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I know that Maricopa County's ballots have been audited, and that the total count from the hand counted audit did not match the election tally, so the AZ Senate bought a couple of paper-counting (NOT vote tabulating) machines to develop a third number

When duplicates (in the lab) don't match, it's common practice to do a third analysis. Of course, nobody expects the numbers to match EXACTLY;there is a known error attached to any analysis.

By the same token, there is an error band around vote-counting, even hand-counting (altho hand counting is considered the "gold standard").

So I assume that the difference between the election tally and the audit was significant enough to trigger a third count.

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 6:03 PM

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JAYNZE: thnx for the links

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Wednesday, July 14, 2021 9:43 PM

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Quote:

Analysis of Ballot Images in Georgia County Shows ‘Provable Fraud’ in Audit: Election Integrity Group
By Zachary Stieber
July 14, 2021 Updated: July 14, 2021

A group seeking to ensure that elections are run fairly said this week that an in-depth analysis of mail-in ballot images obtained through a court order shows that the hand-count audit in Fulton County, Georgia, last year “was riddled with massive errors and provable fraud.”

The analysis turned up at least 36 batches of mail-in ballots, containing 4,255 votes, that were added redundantly to the audit results, according to Voters Organized for Trusted Election Results in Georgia (VoterGA). Nearly 3,400 were for Democrat Joe Biden.

The team examining the ballots also found seven audit tally sheets (pdf) they believe were falsified to contain fabricated vote totals. In one example, the group said, a batch containing 59 ballot images for Biden and 42 for former President Donald Trump was reported as 100 for Biden and zero for Trump.

The analysis revealed that 923 (60 percent) of the 1,539 mail-in ballot batch files contained votes that were incorrectly reported in the county’s official 2020 election result, compared to the audit totals, VoterGA said.

“We believe that there is massive audit errors,” Garland Favorito, founder of the group, told a press conference in Georgia on July 13.



MORE AT https://m.theepochtimes.com/election-integrity-group-analysis-of-ballo
t-images-in-georgia-county-shows-provable-fraud_3901787.html


A video shows how the re-run batches were detected. By comparing ballot images (and the unique/ unintentional markings on them) it was possible to show that ballot batches were tabulated twice - NOT during vote counting but during a so-called "audit" - because the ballots within them were identical.



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Friday, July 16, 2021 4:22 AM

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Quote:

Arizona Election Audit: Maricopa County Stonewalling - Will Not Turn Over Routers, Chain Of Custody, Ballot Images As Discrepancies Found

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Jul 15, 2021 - 03:16 PM

Update (1515ET):

During Thursday's Arizona Senate hearing, auditors revealed that Maricopa County has refused to turn over necessary items - including routers, chain-of-custody documentation, and images of mail-in ballots. What's more, 11,326 voters mysteriously appeared on voter rolls after the election, and 74,000 ballots were reportedly received but have no records to back them up.


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-arizona-senate-briefing
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Friday, July 16, 2021 4:15 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Analysis of Ballot Images in Georgia County Shows ‘Provable Fraud’ in Audit: Election Integrity Group
By Zachary Stieber
July 14, 2021 Updated: July 14, 2021

A group seeking to ensure that elections are run fairly said this week that an in-depth analysis of mail-in ballot images obtained through a court order shows that the hand-count audit in Fulton County, Georgia, last year “was riddled with massive errors and provable fraud.”

The analysis turned up at least 36 batches of mail-in ballots, containing 4,255 votes, that were added redundantly to the audit results, according to Voters Organized for Trusted Election Results in Georgia (VoterGA). Nearly 3,400 were for Democrat Joe Biden.

The team examining the ballots also found seven audit tally sheets (pdf) they believe were falsified to contain fabricated vote totals. In one example, the group said, a batch containing 59 ballot images for Biden and 42 for former President Donald Trump was reported as 100 for Biden and zero for Trump.

The analysis revealed that 923 (60 percent) of the 1,539 mail-in ballot batch files contained votes that were incorrectly reported in the county’s official 2020 election result, compared to the audit totals, VoterGA said.

“We believe that there is massive audit errors,” Garland Favorito, founder of the group, told a press conference in Georgia on July 13.



MORE AT https://m.theepochtimes.com/election-integrity-group-analysis-of-ballo
t-images-in-georgia-county-shows-provable-fraud_3901787.html


A video shows how the re-run batches were detected. By comparing ballot images (and the unique/ unintentional markings on them) it was possible to show that ballot batches were tabulated twice - NOT during vote counting but during a so-called "audit" - because the ballots within them were identical.

Fantastic post. Thanks very much.

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Friday, July 16, 2021 6:12 PM

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You're very welcome.

There is a LOT bubbling on the topic that the DNCis trying to block, and that the M$M and Biden* voters choose to ignore. I'm only touching on the significant events, but the attempts by Maricopa County Dems to block the state Senate-ordered audit were a complete and ongoing shitshow.

It was disgusting.

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Friday, July 16, 2021 6:50 PM

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But to be fair, it's not like the Dems are the only ones engaged in vote counting irregularities.

There was evidence in 2000 (FL electronic voting) and even more in 2004 (electronic voting in six swing states) that indicated widespread vote counting fraud. Black Box voting showed that it was not only possible, but extremely easy to "adjust" the tally.

Why the Dems didn't jump on the issue and investigate the problems that most likely cost them two Presidential elections can only be explained by the thought that they wanted to do the same themselves.

Also, this isn't VOTER fraud, it's vote COUNTING fraud. As Stalin supposedly said: It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 1:10 AM

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Sheesh. Ballot box stuffing by the tens on tens of thousands.

One wonders how the system could be so sloppy that cheating on that scale wasn't immediately obvious to everyone.

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 2:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Sheesh. Ballot box stuffing by the tens on tens of thousands.

One wonders how the system could be so sloppy that cheating on that scale wasn't immediately obvious to everyone.

What kind of dumb comment is this?

EVERYBODY with a brain saw that it was obvious, immediately. Only dedicated Libtards were able to deceive themselves.

You were just so invested in making sure Election Fraud and Theft continued to your satisfaction that you didn't let facts or truth interfere with your beliefs.
You were so insistent that honest, law-abiding citizens not be allowed to observe or participate in the Election, that you couldn't see the fraud you were helping to perpetrate.
Your demands that only Libtard Democrat, corrupt, fraud-perpetrating, illicit, unethical, career criminals be involved in the Election is what gave fruition to this Election Theft. You called them Democrat "Election Officials"

Now you claim to conjure that your ballyhooed Libtard "Election Officials" watched their own hands perpetrating massive Election Fraud, would look again at their own hands and suddenly say Oh Goodness, I Am Committing A Crime! Please Arrest Me without any oversight by law-abiding honest citizens (which you seem to refer to as Evil Republicans). Preposterous.

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Saturday, July 17, 2021 3:39 PM

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Quote:

1KIKI:
Sheesh. Ballot box stuffing by the tens on tens of thousands.
One wonders how the system could be so sloppy that cheating on that scale wasn't immediately obvious to everyone.

JSF: What kind of dumb comment is this?

Indeed, JSF, what kind of dumb statement is YOURS? Set aside your grotch against KIKI and learn to read with comprehension, willya?

Quote:

JSF: EVERYBODY with a brain saw that it was obvious, immediately. Only dedicated Libtards were able to deceive themselves.

You were just so invested in making sure Election Fraud and Theft continued to your satisfaction that you didn't let facts or truth interfere with your beliefs.
You were so insistent that honest, law-abiding citizens not be allowed to observe or participate in the Election, that you couldn't see the fraud you were helping to perpetrate.
Your demands that only Libtard Democrat, corrupt, fraud-perpetrating, illicit, unethical, career criminals be involved in the Election is what gave fruition to this Election Theft. You called them Democrat "Election Officials"


Now you claim to conjure that your ballyhooed Libtard "Election Officials" watched their own hands perpetrating massive Election Fraud, would look again at their own hands and suddenly say Oh Goodness, I Am Committing A Crime! Please Arrest Me without any oversight by law-abiding honest citizens (which you seem to refer to as Evil Republicans). Preposterous.

Seriously, fuck you, JSF. Apparently you can't be counted on to understand what some people post, bc KIKI has been bitching about this past election since it was conducted. WHY DO YOU THINK KIKI CREATED THIS THREAD TO BEGIN WITH?

So stop being a dick and stop trying to gin up an argument when people actually AGREE with you!

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Quote:

1KIKI:
Sheesh. Ballot box stuffing by the tens on tens of thousands.
One wonders how the system could be so sloppy that cheating on that scale wasn't immediately obvious to everyone.

JSF: What kind of dumb comment is this?

Indeed, JSF, what kind of dumb statement is YOURS? Set aside your grotch against KIKI and learn to read with comprehension, willya?

Quote:

JSF: EVERYBODY with a brain saw that it was obvious, immediately. Only dedicated Libtards were able to deceive themselves.

You were just so invested in making sure Election Fraud and Theft continued to your satisfaction that you didn't let facts or truth interfere with your beliefs.
You were so insistent that honest, law-abiding citizens not be allowed to observe or participate in the Election, that you couldn't see the fraud you were helping to perpetrate.
Your demands that only Libtard Democrat, corrupt, fraud-perpetrating, illicit, unethical, career criminals be involved in the Election is what gave fruition to this Election Theft. You called them Democrat "Election Officials"


Now you claim to conjure that your ballyhooed Libtard "Election Officials" watched their own hands perpetrating massive Election Fraud, would look again at their own hands and suddenly say Oh Goodness, I Am Committing A Crime! Please Arrest Me without any oversight by law-abiding honest citizens (which you seem to refer to as Evil Republicans). Preposterous.

Seriously, fuck you, JSF. Apparently you can't be counted on to understand what some people post, bc KIKI has been bitching about this past election since it was conducted. WHY DO YOU THINK KIKI CREATED THIS THREAD TO BEGIN WITH?

So stop being a dick and stop trying to gin up an argument when people actually AGREE with you!

Yea, OK, before the election she was trying fervently to gin up Fraud, Election Theft, Election corruption, and strip away any integrity. But now that she and her group accomplished their goals, we should whitewash their efforts, as long as they complain about what they accomplished.

Sure, I understand that you have great difficulty with timelines, cause-and-effect sequences, but this one was really pretty simple.

Sure, it is fine that she complains about it now, but it is still quite galling for it to come from those who worked so hard to accomplish the Fraud.
I certainly do not oppose YOU complaining about it, because I did not see you making any arguments for more Fraud, corruption, before the election. For this reason, I normally do not bother to respond to your attacks upon me in this vein.

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