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Saturday, January 1, 2022 12:50 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Why I'm Pro Vaccine, but Anti Vaccine Mandate

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-i-m-pro-vaccine-but-anti-vaccine
-mandate-opinion/ar-AAS1eef


Ryan T. Anderson is president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and founding editor of the Public Discourse.

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To be sure, I am not saying that vaccination mandates are categorically wrong. Vaccination has the potential not only to protect your own health, but to protect others—and to advance the common good in a variety of ways. But support or opposition for a specific vaccine mandate depends on the specific facts: What is the risk of death or other serious harms with and without the vaccine? Who is most at risk? How much natural immunity already exists, and how long will vaccine protection last? What are the vaccine's side effects? Was the vaccine ethically produced? Are there other ways to reduce health risks? Are the mandate's goals well-defined? Is the mandate lawful? Does it respect religious, moral and medical conscientious objectors? How much social strife will result? One must weigh the costs and the benefits, with the burden of proof on the party trying to coerce others.
Pretty much describes my position.

If there was a more-lethal disease going around,like - say, Ebola or Hanta virus or the Black Death and there was a vaccine that prevented transmission, even if only 50%, I would weigh the public health benefits and risks, and prolly weigh in on the side of a mandate. But not for THIS virus, and THIS vaccine.

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 7:45 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


'We can get our normal lives back' in 2022, says German health minister

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-we-can-get-our-normal-lives-b
ack-in-2022-says-german-health-minister/a-60307441


Paradoxical sex-specific patterns of autoantibody response to SARS-CoV-2 infection

https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s129
67-021-03184-8


Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why

https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/2021-12-31/omicron-is-spreading-at-light
ning-speed-scientists-are-trying-to-figure-out-why


More bannings, passports and lockdowns? Hong Kong to bar unvaccinated from eateries, gyms, cinemas, amid fears over fifth wave and Omicron
https://hongkongfp.com/2021/12/31/covid-19-hong-kong-to-bar-unvaccinat
ed-from-eateries-gyms-cinemas-amid-fears-over-fifth-wave-and-omicron
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Saturday, January 1, 2022 7:50 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why



Or maybe the Moronic variant is just the first side-effect of the vaccination.

You wouldn't have a fucking clue since The CDC keeps changing their estimates of who's got which one now.



If something bad is going to happen, it might as well be sooner than later.

At least I'd like to think that TPTB would put an immediate end to any vaccine mandates if people who were vaxxed started dropping like flies.



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Saturday, January 1, 2022 7:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


P.S. I'm not Vaxxed. I'm not masked. I've never been tested.

I'm not sick.

And if I ever got Covid, I didn't even notice it.


Why are all these vaccinated folk getting Covid?

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:11 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


The Conspiracy is in?

Former Israeli Health Minister says "Go ahead and Get Omicron." Jimmy Dore
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8zFwQHrEXZVm/

Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



Why are all these vaccinated folk getting Covid?




Not sure if trolling?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1476437555717541893

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:


But Britain setting up "field hospitals"? Seems like a publicity stunt by BoJo, the PM who may be facing a "no confidence" vote by his own party soon.





So is it coming to an end?

Seems Omicron is less fatal

https://rumble.com/vrp5ub-the-first-omicron-death.html

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:32 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Why are all these vaccinated folk getting Covid?



I'm not trolling.

The vaccinated have made a terrible mistake.

The unvaccinated will be left picking up the pieces and living with the guilt of not doing anything.

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Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:43 AM

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mike cella @mikeVcella

the CDC says it's not omicron unless it comes from the Omicrônne region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling covid

2:19 PM · Dec 28, 2021·Twitter for Android
https://twitter.com/mikevcella/status/1475924319150612485

https://getcomics.info/other-comics/firefly-35-2021/


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Sunday, January 2, 2022 9:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
...otherwise it's just sparkling covid



Get Chandon on the phone. I've got the name for their next champagne.

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Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:37 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Quote:



Cases

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USA 53,791,000+
India 34,799,691
Brazil 22,246,276




https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries



401,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/





Biden to address nation, US reports 1M cases in a day; omicron 95% of cases: COVID updates
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-address-american-public-omicron-100102839
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Tuesday, January 4, 2022 7:55 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


One Million Cases in a single day.

And that's only counting Democrats and Covid Karens that ran out to get tested after they got the sniffles.

This is great news.

Not only was I right that everyone is going to get it, but they'll find out for themselves soon that there's nothing to fear and we can hopefully put this all behind us soon.

There's zero chance they can fabricate enough deaths to make it look bad.

Too bad that those responsible for terrorizing everyone will never be held accountable.


Looks rather fortuitous that they named a new variant right before the bulk of people were going to get it so they can just say oh it's not bad now because it mutated.

lol

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Thursday, January 6, 2022 9:00 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The bad news...

It looks like you're 2 to 4 times more likely to get Omicron if you were vaccinated.

The good news...

Nobody dies of Covid, so you'll be fine.

At least you have nothing to fear from Covid, that is.

Good luck with whatever was in those shots that studies are now showing make you more likely to get the virus.



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Thursday, January 6, 2022 1:04 PM

JO753

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I redid the text in the FundRazr campane:
https://fundrazr.com/71jIY1?ref=ab_f9ZUS0_ab_4Sqxgmz23mA4Sqxgmz23mA

wu du yu xink?

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Thursday, January 6, 2022 2:51 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I think it will work great for people who keep lining up for jabs and obediently wear their masks everyday even in places where there is no mask mandates.

I'd stick with that. You're not going to sell that thing to everyone, and there's zero chance you're ever going to get everyone to wear it.

No harm in lying about the fact that it will somehow put an end to the virus. That's how you make money in America. Lying.




Meanwhile. I'm not ever wearing a mask, and I'm never getting a shot.



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Thursday, January 6, 2022 11:02 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think it will work great for people who keep lining up for jabs and obediently wear their masks everyday even in places where there is no mask mandates.



That woud be good enuf. And, depending on the wimz uv the virus, that will be everybody after all the denierz die off.

Quote:

No harm in lying about the fact that it will somehow put an end to the virus.


It coud! The 'sumhow' iz simple and clearly explained.

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Meanwhile. I'm not ever wearing a mask, and I'm never getting a shot.



Az long az youre a hermit, youre safe.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 1:17 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think it will work great for people who keep lining up for jabs and obediently wear their masks everyday even in places where there is no mask mandates.



That woud be good enuf. And, depending on the wimz uv the virus, that will be everybody after all the denierz die off.



You've drank far too much of your own Kool-Aid.

Nobody is dying off.

Well... we'll see what happens with the vaccine after they've tested it out on all of you and we go ten years into the future to see what they find out before the FDA usually approves any drugs when it's not being paid by Pfizer.

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Quote:

No harm in lying about the fact that it will somehow put an end to the virus.


It coud! The 'sumhow' iz simple and clearly explained.



No. It never will go away. Everyone will get Covid. You're not even going to find a doctor or scientist among the furthest Leftist shills that will even tell you that it can be stopped anymore.

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Meanwhile. I'm not ever wearing a mask, and I'm never getting a shot.


Az long az youre a hermit, youre safe.



I go out all the time. I'm good.



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Friday, January 7, 2022 1:29 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Take care of your heart, JO.

Now that you're vaxxed and boosted, you're 8 times more likely to have it fucked up on you.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/more-bad-news-on-covid-vaccines-an
d/comments


Care to get that 2nd booster in 6 months and make it 16 times more likely?

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Friday, January 7, 2022 1:49 AM

JO753

rezident owtsidr


Youre neglecting the fact that the virus haz many side effects, including hart trubl. And there coud be long term effects that pop up decadez later.

I no. Calling them side effects iz not rite. They are the main effects. There iz no beneficial effect.

I think you are rite that everybodyz going to get it eventually. You think uv it az a jerm that your immune system will defeat and then be ready for next time. Kinda like getting a vax, exept a natural inhaled version administered by a random stranjer.

The oddz are in favor uv not getting sick or only mildly. But the oddz uv having an advers reaction to the vax are a million timez lower.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 2:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yeah dude. Because this virus came from space and behaves different than anything else we've ever seen.

You're too smart to be terrorized by tyrants.

Get your head out of your ass.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 2:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.




JO, fwiw I addressed this paper already - in final form, published in Nature, rather than in pre-print form from the pre-print server.

So, to briefly quote a sentence from Jack's link(s) (Jack makes jerky!! - ha ha), and as you already surmised, the risk of heart problems from COVID-19 far outweighs the risk of the vaccination.
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Importantly, we also demonstrated that across the entire vaccinated population in England, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination was small compared to the risk following a positive severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) test[1]


In my original post http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=63473&p=55 that I quote below, I did summarize the risk results in what I think are easy-to-read tables.

Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Risks of myocarditis, pericarditis, and cardiac arrhythmias associated with COVID-19
vaccination or SARS-CoV-2 infection

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0.pdf

Although myocarditis and pericarditis were not observed as adverse events in coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccine trials, there have been numerous reports of suspected cases following vaccination in the general population. We undertook
a self-controlled case series study of people aged 16 or older vaccinated for COVID-19 in England between 1 December 2020 and 24 August 2021 to investigate hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias in the 1–28 days following adenovirus (ChAdOx1, n = 20,615,911) or messenger RNA-based (BNT162b2, n = 16,993,389; mRNA-1273, n = 1,006,191) vaccines or a severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) positive test (n = 3,028,867). We found increased risks of myocarditis associated with the first dose of ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2 vaccines and the first and second doses of the mRNA-127 vaccine over the 1–28 days postvaccination period, and after a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. We estimated an extra two (95% confidence interval (CI) 0, 3), one (95% CI 0, 2) and six (95% CI 2, 8) myocarditis events per 1 million people vaccinated with ChAdOx1, BNT162b2 and mRNA-1273, respectively, in the 28 days following a first dose and an extra ten (95% CI 7, 11) myocarditis events per 1 million vaccinated in the 28 days after a second dose of mRNA-1273. This compares with an extra 40 (95% CI 38, 41) myocarditis events per 1 million patients in the 28 days following a SARS-CoV-2 positive test.
We also observed increased risks of pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. Similar associations were not observed with any of the COVID-19 vaccines, apart from an increased risk of arrhythmia following a second dose of mRNA-1273. Subgroup analyses by age showed the increased risk of myocarditis associated with the two mRNA vaccines was present only in those younger than 40.




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It's nice to finally have 'per capita' figures for cardiac issues from vaccines v COVID-19 disease.

To summarize things with commonly used names:

The endpoint was "hospital admission or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias", not any possibly temporary increase in a few test results, for example. In other words, the endpoint was serious heart events or death.

The observed time period was approximately one month after vaccination or infection.

The age range was 16yrs or older.

- ChAdOx1 = Oxford adenovirus vaccine
- BNT162b2 = Biontech/ Pfizer mRNA vaccine, 'Pfizer'
- mRNA-1273 = Moderna mRNA vaccine
- severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) positive test = severe COVID-19

All 4 groups had a study population of a minimum of a million.

All results are stated 'per million'.

Oxford
myocarditis
1st dose 2
2nd dose 0
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
1st dose 0
2nd dose 0

Pfizer
myocarditis
1st dose 1
2nd dose 0
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
1st dose 0
2nd dose 0

Moderna
myocarditis
1st dose 6
2nd dose 10
cardiac arrhythmias only
1st dose 0
2nd dose increased

severe COVID-19
myocarditis
within 30 days of test 40
pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias
increased


More information is at the link.





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Friday, January 7, 2022 3:37 AM

JO753

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xanks. That makes it very clear.

Uv course, 6 will say its a lie.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 10:44 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Yup. It's a lie.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 5:03 PM

JO753

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I no sumwun in real life hoo iz a denier. Offered no explanation on how the Demz got Russia and Iran to go along with the hoax. Now refuzez to discuss it.

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Friday, January 7, 2022 9:01 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Correction: He refuses to discuss it with a cultist.



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Saturday, January 8, 2022 11:38 AM

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Vaccine booster prevents death
https://jabberwocking.com/the-answer-to-covid-is-vaccines-vaccines-and
-more-vaccines
/



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Tuesday, January 11, 2022 7:08 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


USA 62,661,000+
India 35,875,790
Brazil 22,558,695

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The puzzling mutational landscape of the SARS-2-variant Omicron
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jmv.27577

Australian Woman: Police Came To My Door And Took Me To COVID Quarantine Camp, Told Me "You Have No Choice"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/12/04/australian_woman_po
lice_came_to_my_door_and_took_me_to_covid_quarantine_camp_told_me_you_have_no_choice.html


Unvaccinated banned from Italian bars, restaurants, public transport
https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/10/unvaccinated-banned-from-italian-b
ars-restaurants-and-public-transport


428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

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Wednesday, January 12, 2022 4:41 AM

JO753

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."



Sumbudy coud interpret that to mean that Trump duznt dezerv any blame - that it wuz going to wash over America like a tidal wave no matter wut.

But thats rong.

He helped it spred here faster and begin community spred sooner. By the time Joe sat down behind the Rezolute Desk, the country wuz saturated with C19.

A competent respons woud hav kept it at a much lower level and possibly enabled effectiv contact trasing and containment wile the vax wuz being developed.

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Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:38 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
428,000 + Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."



Sumbudy coud interpret that to mean that Trump duznt dezerv any blame - that it wuz going to wash over America like a tidal wave no matter wut.

But thats rong.

He helped it spred here faster and begin community spred sooner. By the time Joe sat down behind the Rezolute Desk, the country wuz saturated with C19.

A competent respons woud hav kept it at a much lower level and possibly enabled effectiv contact trasing and containment wile the vax wuz being developed.



1. Trump tried banning flights into the country. He was called racist and xenophobic for it.

2. Nobody dies of Covid, so this is ultimately a pissing contest between two empty bladders.





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Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:26 PM

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Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:48 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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The report states that EcoHealth Alliance approached DARPA in March 2018, seeking funding to conduct gain of function research of bat borne coronaviruses. The proposal, named Project Defuse, was rejected by DARPA over safety concerns and the notion that it violates the basis gain of function research moratorium.

According to the documents, NIAID, under the direction of Dr. Fauci, went ahead with the research in Wuhan, China and at several sites across the U.S.



Oh?

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Friday, January 14, 2022 10:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nobody dies of Covid, so this is ultimately a pissing contest between two empty bladders.

6ix, it is actually a mortal sin to lie as you do. But when has that ever stopped a Trump voter?

Martin Luther began the Protestant Reformation, ancestor of today’s various Evangelicals, about 500 years ago. He had his own experiences with the epidemics that periodically raged through the Europe of his day. Luther chastised the ‘resisters,’ saying: ‘They are much too rash and reckless, tempting God and disregarding everything which might counteract death and the plague. They disdain the use of medicines; they do not avoid places and persons infected by the plague, but lightheartedly make sport of it and wish to prove how independent they are. They say that it is God’s punishment; if he wants to protect them he can do so without medicines or our carefulness. This is not trusting God but tempting him. God has created medicines and provided us with intelligence to guard and take good care of the body so that we can live in good health.’

Luther went on to warn that those who ‘make no use of intelligence or medicine…become a suicide in God’s eyes.’

Then he leveled the most serious charge against the ‘rash and reckless’ trying to ‘prove how independent they are,’ saying: ‘It is even more shameful for a person to pay no heed to his own body and to fail to protect it against the plague the best he is able, and then to infect and poison others who might have remained alive if he had taken care of his body as he should have. He is thus responsible before God for his neighbor’s death and is a murderer many times over.'

Thus spake Martin Luther, and through him, the Lord.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/may-web-only/martin-luther-p
lague-pandemic-coronavirus-covid-flee-letter.html


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make no use of intelligence



Soundz like a good slogan for 2024 GoP candidates!

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 7:32 AM

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The Supreme Court can’t get its story straight on vaccines

The Court is barely even pretending to be engaged in legal reasoning.

On Thursday, the Supreme Court handed down a pair of unsigned opinions that appear to be at war with each other.

The first, National Federation of Independent Business v. Department of Labor, blocks a Biden administration rule requiring most workers to either get vaccinated against Covid-19 or to routinely be tested for the disease. The second, Biden v. Missouri, backs a more modest policy requiring most health care workers to get the vaccine.

There are some things that differentiate the two cases. Beyond the fact that the first rule is broader than the second, the broader rule also relies on a rarely used provision of federal law that is restricted to emergencies, while the latter rule relies on a more general statute.

But the Court gives little attention to substantive differences between the laws authorizing both rules. Instead, it applies an entirely judicially created doctrine and other standards in inconsistent ways. The result is two opinions that are difficult to reconcile with each other.

The NFIB case relies heavily on something known as the “major questions doctrine,” a judicially invented doctrine which the Court says places strict limits on a federal agency’s power to “exercise powers of vast economic and political significance.” As the NFIB opinion notes, the vaccinate-or-test rule at issue in NFIB applies to “84 million Americans” — quite understandably a matter of vast economic significance.

But, if this manufactured doctrine is legitimate, then it’s not at all clear why it doesn’t apply with equal force in both cases. As Justice Clarence Thomas points out in a dissenting opinion in the Missouri case, the more modest health workers’ rule “has effectively mandated vaccination for 10 million healthcare workers.” That’s still an awful lot of Americans!

What if the Biden administration had pushed out a rule requiring 20 million people to get vaccinated? Or 50 million? The Court does not tell us just how many millions of Americans must be impacted by a rule for it to count as a matter of “vast economic and political significance.” And it’s hard to draw a legally principled distinction between 10 million workers and 84 million.

Similarly, in NFIB, the Court notes that the agency which created the broad rule at issue in that case is the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) which, as its name suggests, deals with health threats that arise in the workplace, and Covid-19 is not unique to the workplace. “COVID–19 can and does spread at home, in schools, during sporting events, and everywhere else that people gather,” the majority opinion notes.

But, as the three liberal justices point out in dissent, OSHA regulates threats that exist both inside and outside the workplace all the time, including “risks of fire, faulty electrical installations, and inadequate emergency exits.” It’s not at all clear why Covid-19 is any different. And the only explanation that the majority opinion gives — that a vaccination “cannot be undone at the end of the workday,” unlike the donning of fire-safety gear — applies with equal force to both the OSHA rule and the narrow health worker’s rule that the Court refused to block. Doctors’ vaccinations can’t be undone any more than an office worker’s can be.

The Court, in other words, appears unable to articulate a principled reason why some vaccination rules should stand and others should fall.

In the past, when the Court was unable to come up with principled ways to separate good rules from bad ones, it deferred to the federal agencies that promulgated those rules. The Court reasoned that it is better to have policy decisions made by expert agencies that are accountable to an elected president than to have purely discretionary decisions made by unelected judges with no relevant expertise.

But the one thing that is apparent from NFIB and Missouri is that this age of deference is over. The opinions suggest that the Court will uphold rules that five of its members think are good ideas, and strike down rules that five of its members think are bad ideas.

The Court is fabricating legal doctrines that appear in neither statute nor Constitution. The Court started with the result it wanted in both cases, and then worked backward to come up with some kind of reasoning to justify those outcomes.

More at https://www.vox.com/22883639/supreme-court-vaccines-osha-cms-biden-man
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Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:10 AM

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Quote:

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The Supreme Court can’t get its story straight on vaccines



Yeah. Tell me about it.

Here's three lies:

1. Sotomayor straight up lied and said “Those numbers show that omicron is as deadly and causes as much serious disease in the unvaccinated as delta did. … We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition and many on ventilators.”

CDC Director Walenski said 5,000 children with covid were in the hospital. The vast majority of them were admitted for something non-covid related.


2. Kagan said "Workers have to get vaccinated so that you’re not transmitting the disease that can kill elderly Medicare patients, that can kill sick Medicaid patients. I mean, that seems like a pretty basic infection prevention measure.”

This is either a lie or she's just stupid. Not even the media or Pfizer's own CEO is not spreading the falsehood that getting a vaccination prevents spreading Covid anymore.


3. Breyer said that the day before 750 Million new cases of covid happened yesterday, even though there are only 330 Million people in America.

Either that's the stupidest thing a Supreme Court Justice has ever said, or he's got the real numbers of Illegal Aliens that Biden's let in and our population more than doubled in the last year.

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Saturday, January 15, 2022 10:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Nobody dies of Covid, so this is ultimately a pissing contest between two empty bladders.

6ix, it is actually a mortal sin to lie as you do.



Not a lie.

How's that jab treatin' ya, mudblood?

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 6:39 AM

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Corbevax’s clinical trial data has yet to be released due to resource constraints, but Texas Children’s Hospital said the vaccine was over 90% effective against the original Covid-19 strain and over 80% effective against the Delta variant. The vaccine’s efficacy against the Omicron variant is currently being tested.

Biological E, an Indian pharmaceutical company accustomed to producing hepatitis B vaccines with Texas Children’s, has already produced 150m doses of the new Corbevax vaccine and will soon be able to produce 100m doses every month.

Crucially, storing the Corbevax vaccine only requires standard refrigeration, unlike the Pfizer vaccine, which requires ultra-cold storage in transit.

After being overlooked by government organizations for funding, the developers behind Corbevax relied on philanthropic donations to get them over the finish line. The Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development is an academic and scientific institution in nature, but developing Corbevax had forced them to stretch their resources in order to gain visibility as a serious candidate for Covid vaccine development.

Drs Peter Hotez and Maria Bottazzi from the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development at Baylor College of Medicine, has been developing vaccine prototypes for Sars and Mers since 2011, which they reconstructed to create the new Covid vaccine, dubbed Corbevax, or “the world’s Covid-19 vaccine”.

Although more than 60 other vaccines are in development using the same technology, Bottazzi said their vaccine is unique because they do not intend to patent it, allowing anyone with the capacity to reproduce it.

“Pretty much anybody that can make hepatitis B vaccines or has the capacity to produce microbial-based protein like bacteria or yeast, can replicate what we do,” Bottazzi said.

“When you have a situation of such gravity around the world, you don’t pick and choose a solution – you try to use all solutions,” Bottazzi said.

Bottazzi hopes her move will incentivize others to follow suit and make affordable and accessible vaccines for other diseases and viruses, like hookworm.

“We need to break these paradigms that it’s only driven by economic impact factors or return of economic investment. We have to look at the return in public health.”

More at https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jan/15/corbevax-covid-vaccine
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Sunday, January 16, 2022 10:15 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's actually a really nice thought.

Still no way in hell that I'm going to get that jab, but it's about time that somebody came around and decided that they'd make billions of people sick and/or die and not making billions of dollars while doing it.

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 1:31 PM

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Sunday, January 16, 2022 2:37 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Omicron is spreading at lightning speed. Scientists are trying to figure out why

Or maybe the Moronic variant is just the first side-effect of the vaccination.

You wouldn't have a fucking clue since The CDC keeps changing their estimates of who's got which one now.



If something bad is going to happen, it might as well be sooner than later.

At least I'd like to think that TPTB would put an immediate end to any vaccine mandates if people who were vaxxed started dropping like flies."

Don't be silly. Not until after the Election Theft 2022. Those flies who dropped will still vote by Mail-In.



The Faulty Logic remains in force.

Kiki and similar disagree with CDC/Fauci and say the vaxx never was an innoculation, it was only to prevent death among the vaxxed. Even if the vaxxed clog the hospitals.

Everybody who wants the Vaxx has gotten the Vaxx.
Vaxx doses are expiring in storage without infecting the unwilling.
Hospital worker shortages are only caused by hospitals firing everybody who can think for themselves, everybody who is not a card carrying Libtard Lemming.

Plus those who were forced to vaxx are also vaxxed.


The remaining unvaxxed have chosen to be so.


So any mandate to get the Demonicron vaxx is for what?
The unvaxxed have already chosen the freedom to Live Free or Die. And they continue to have the freedom to change their mind, at any time. Without having any effect on the vaxxed.

What is the logical purpose to force anybody else to get vaxxed?

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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 8:11 AM

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Comedian Kathleen Madigan's career is full of surprises as she navigates the unexpected that comes with touring from venue to venue and city to city, all with different Covid-19 protocols for hosting live entertainment:

I won’t say the name, but a big venue asked me what I’d like the (covid-19) policy to be. I’m like, “Sorry, you dialed the number of a lady who was a waitress until she decided to become a comedian.” I shouldn’t be deciding public health decrees. Don’t you have a public health department? Try the mayor’s office. Or if you want a comedian, try Dr. Ken. He’s an actual doctor who spent 185 years at Duke. He’s a real doctor. You’re going to leave this up to me and some country singer? What’s happened to us? The breakdown of who’s deciding (expletive) has gone too far. I’m willing to admit, I’m a moron on this subject matter. Why won’t they believe me? I’m telling you: I do not have any information on this. The problem is there’s no consistency. I was telling Ron White, who’s my little buddy, it’s like when you have a dream and there’s no segues. One minute you’re fishing at the pond and the next you’re at a shopping mall in the ’80s. That’s how one day on the road seems right now. You leave a city in a serious lock-down and get to a casino gig and it’s game on, like COVID never happened there.

https://preview.houstonchronicle.com/theater/comedian-kathleen-madigan
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Tuesday, January 18, 2022 1:06 PM

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International data agrees: Omicron much milder

Hey all you numbers people: geek out!



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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 5:44 AM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



That's pretty much what I posted to MD, that Omicron could be a blessing in disguise - essentially nature's vaccine (like cowpox was to smallpox).

I've been kind of harping about what **I** think would be the ideal sequence of vaccine types for developing good immunity, starting with artificially synthesized, pure, non-infectious pieces as injections and working your way to killed or attenuated total whatever - virus, bacteria, fungus - as mucus-exposed surfaces.



The fact that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein doesn't cross-react with the 'common cold(s)' but that its internal proteins do just indicates to me the spike protein has been messed with (gain of function).

One thing this video kind of glides over is how recently your common cold has to have been, probably a maximum of 18 months, to have any good effect. That's one of the things about coronavirus colds (specifically, distinct from rhinovirus colds, etc), is that immunity is short-lived. That's one of the reasons why there's no vaccine for 'the common cold'. I'm not sure how he squares the short-lived immunity against colds, even with T-cell immunity to nuclear envelope protein, with his hope for long-term immunity against SARS-CoV-2. Why does he think the SARS-CoV-2 immunity to that protein would be any longer lived?

And finally, while he may think natural immunity is superior, for many people - closing on a million in the US - the trip to getting natural immunity was a fatal one.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 12:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I hadn't realized that immunity to the "common cold" was that short-lived. I assumed that the only reasons why there was no "common cold" vaccine was bc a) the virus mutated so rapdily and b) the illness was so inconsequential as to make it not worthwhile.

So unless everyone gets Omicron in an 18-month period and there is no more reservoir of SARS-Cov2 anywhere in the world, we may be in for a fifth, sixth, etc wave two years in the future?

Awesome ....

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:16 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.



It's hard to say. Other SARS and MERS seem to have good immunity that can last years and years, maybe decades. And SARS and coronavirus colds aren't the same kind of virus, just ones in the same general family that can cross-react. (Maybe their immunogenic relationship is equivalent to the differences between humans, gorillas, chimps and so on.) So the immunity characteristics of the common cold aren't directly translatable to SARS-CoV-2, imo.

Maybe what he's saying is that the nuclear envelope protein might be a good candidate as either a stand-alone vaccine or as an addition to it. And he's saying that because that protein from the common cold cross-reacts with that protein from SARS-CoV-2 and provides some protection. (Though he did glide past the fact that immunity to the common cold doesn't last very long despite immunity to the envelope.)

FWIW I'd prefer to get at least some of my vaccine immunity as immunity to the spike protein, because it's a 'neutralizing' antibody. (A 'neutralizing' antibody disables the virus such that it doesn't enter cells.) I personally would prefer the nuclear envelope protein component as an addition to a spike vaccine, not instead of it.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:55 PM

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I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:58 PM

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Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.

She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.

Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 1:59 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.

Did you test positive, or are you just assuming you had Covid?

BEFORE this whole thing started, the entire family got incredibly sick with something that was incredibly infectious. It might have been Covid, or it might not have been. Not assuming either way.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 2:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I've had covid 3 times. Nov 2019, Christmas 2020, Sept 2021.
Since the first time in Nov 2019, I have not had a cold or flu. I used to get one every year, mostly twice, once in spring and once in fall, dependent upon when the weather changed.

Did you test positive, or are you just assuming you had Covid?

BEFORE this whole thing started, the entire family got incredibly sick with something that was incredibly infectious. It might have been Covid, or it might not have been. Not assuming either way.

in Nov 2019, test positive how?

In Christmas 2020, no. Following Company Christmas Dinner, all but 2 attendees got covid, and got tested. And they all blamed me as the source. None of them had a doubt I had it.

Sept 2021, no. I was able to recognize it by then, didn't feel need to provide gov paper trail.

At this point, I assume I would not notice the next time, getting more mild each time.

I have no doubt that Sigs and Kiki will now proclAim I have never had covid.

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Wednesday, January 19, 2022 2:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The re-unification rate is about 1pct. In other words, of 100 people who've had Covid, 1 may get reinfected later. To have that happen twice might mean that your immune system isn't working as well as most.

But that also puts a ding in the reputation of "natural immunity" and "herd immunity" being the answer to the pandemic.

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SIGNYM

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Quote:

]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.

She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.

Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.

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I still don't understand your dismissal of the virus, and your fear of a vaccine that represents literally a fraction of the whole virus.

The good news is, if your brother and sister in law were vaccinated at least three weeks ago, then they are unlikely to get very ill. And if they caught Omicron, then the risk of serious illness is virtually non-existent.

Altho I'm sure you're convinced your niece's ears and nose will fall off some time in the future, or some such.

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Quote:

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Quote:

]Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I just found out that my brother and his wife sold my niece out and forced her to take the jab last week so they wouldn't be inconvenienced and not be able to go on an upcoming cruise that requires them.

She developed Covid two days ago, after the vax, and gave it to my brother and his wife, both of whom have plenty of reasons not to want to have covid because of their lifestyle choices.

Hope the cruise was worth it. I hope they at least get to go on a cruise again.

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I still don't understand your dismissal of the virus, and your fear of a vaccine that represents literally a fraction of the whole virus.

The good news is, if your brother and sister in law were vaccinated at least three weeks ago, then they are unlikely to get very ill. And if they caught Omicron, then the risk of serious illness is virtually non-existent.

Altho I'm sure you're convinced your niece's ears and nose will fall off some time in the future, or some such.

I didn't see mention that bro and wife were vaxxed. Although that might be implied.

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