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Some Covid-19 thoughts

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Monday, March 23, 2020 11:32 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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- if I was someone with bad intentions and hated the US, or any large country - say ISIS, etc - I would be taking notes right about now. To see how much of the world is fubarred over this super easy to transmit virus... crap! How does this not happen again and again?

- drove by our grocery store early last week to mail in my tax docs (we had no intention of leaving the car). We couldn't believe how many people were out an about wandering in and out of the store. "What don't these clowns get about infection?" Drove out yesterday since it was sunny - still no intention of getting out - and the same thing. It looked like a freaking game day weekend. No masks, no gloves, no nothing but full carts. Actually some of the carts were only partially full. If you're going to risk this wouldn't you fill the damn cart? Just wandering in and out and everywhere even after the gov put the state on lock down.

- I remember when I thought the market was high when it went over 10,000, so all in all... buy Amazon stock. Their drone delivery program just got ramped up.

- what's the first thing people are going to do when they get their trillion dollar gov checks? Yep. Go out. Stand in line shoulder to shoulder at the bank.

- Will this change the world economy forever?

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Monday, March 23, 2020 12:00 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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My two cents...

Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
- if I was someone with bad intentions and hated the US, or any large country - say ISIS, etc - I would be taking notes right about now. To see how much of the world is fubarred over this super easy to transmit virus... crap! How does this not happen again and again?



I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began.

I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing.

Quote:

- drove by our grocery store early last week to mail in my tax docs (we had no intention of leaving the car). We couldn't believe how many people were out an about wandering in and out of the store. "What don't these clowns get about infection?" Drove out yesterday since it was sunny - still no intention of getting out - and the same thing. It looked like a freaking game day weekend. No masks, no gloves, no nothing but full carts. Actually some of the carts were only partially full. If you're going to risk this wouldn't you fill the damn cart? Just wandering in and out and everywhere even after the gov put the state on lock down.


People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children.

As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)

Quote:

- I remember when I thought the market was high when it went over 10,000, so all in all... buy Amazon stock. Their drone delivery program just got ramped up.


I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now.

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- what's the first thing people are going to do when they get their trillion dollar gov checks? Yep. Go out. Stand in line shoulder to shoulder at the bank.


Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet.

As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself.

There honestly shouldn't be any actual paper checks being sent out in 2020. I could be wrong, but I think the term "check" is simply a way to say you're getting paid that everybody including Grandma understands.

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- Will this change the world economy forever?


I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to be after this.

All we can do is wait it out and see what the New Normal is after it's over.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 23, 2020 4:00 PM

BRENDA


Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.

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Monday, March 23, 2020 4:12 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My two cents...

Jack: "I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began."

I'm not worried about any country - especially China - doing this kind of thing to us. They profit too much from our relationship. This is only good for super bad actors/terrorism. Anyone that is interested in simple destruction.

Jack: "I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing."

Pretty bad since Trump got in.

Jack: "People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children."

Totally

Jack: "As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)"

No - going out and going where people are is how you get infected. I don't get how you don't get that.

Jack: "I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now."

I think you can stick apin in the calendar and say this is where a MEGA shift in the World economy and how people work, happened.

Jack "Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet."

I really wonder how many people do that. I bet that sounds complicated for a lot of people.

Jack: "As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself."

Right, debit cards or cash, it doesn't matter. It means pent up people are going to go out and party and buy shit and infect others or themselves. This concept is not getting through.

Jack: "I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to be after this."

I still have a hard time imagining millions dead, even world wide. But even IF it's that high, is it significantly higher than other killers?

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Monday, March 23, 2020 4:13 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.



No worries Brenda - truth is truth! #MaplePower

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Monday, March 23, 2020 4:26 PM

BRENDA


Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by Brenda:
Hate to say it guys but it does even make Canada look stronger.



No worries Brenda - truth is truth! #MaplePower



Yup, our PM has made several briefings from his isolation home because of his wife. He is very reassuring as are other government officials.

Our supply lines are good.

The numbers up here aren't anything like the US because of population differences and such. But my heart hurts for the US with all of this.

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Monday, March 23, 2020 4:54 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My two cents...

Jack: "I'm sure at least China has been taking notes since this began."

I'm not worried about any country - especially China - doing this kind of thing to us. They profit too much from our relationship. This is only good for super bad actors/terrorism. Anyone that is interested in simple destruction.



I'm not going to pretend to know that. We've been on reasonable terms with China because they've been making a fortune from us ever since Clinton gave them a seat at the big-boy's table.

Unlike Americans who only look 4 to 8 years in the future, China looks 100 to 200 years in the future.

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Jack: "I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing."

Pretty bad since Trump got in.



That's simply a matter of opinion. One that I obviously don't agree with at all.

Quote:

Jack: "People by nature don't like staying indoors all the time. They also don't like being told what to do. That isn't just children either. When adults are told what to do by the government as if they are children, they're going to act like children."

Totally



And totally not exclusive to Americans. That's a universal human truth.

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Jack: "As for the stockpiling, that's why there were panics about TP. There's no need to stockpile things. Shipping routes won't close down, and neither will grocery stores. You don't need to buy an entire shopping cart full of crap when you go out. Buy what you need, then maybe a few extra items that won't spoil while you're there. Remember this for the next time and always be sure to have at least a few months worth of the things that you can't buy now on hand and replenish them whenever they fall below 2 to 4 months worth (ie: TP, paper towels, soap, hand sanitizer, etc.)"

No - going out and going where people are is how you get infected. I don't get how you don't get that.



Feel free to live the rest of your life in fear. The rest of us have shit to do.

Quote:

Jack: "I missed that boat. Who knows what's going to happen after the dust settles from all of this. I'm not going to be the guy who buys stuff at premium prices right now, but let us know how that works out for you a year from now."

I think you can stick apin in the calendar and say this is where a MEGA shift in the World economy and how people work, happened.



Maybe.

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Jack "Not necessarily. Anybody who filed taxes and has their returns direct deposited will have these stimulus checks direct deposited automatically (in theory, we'll see how they manage to do all of this in only 14 days given the fact they haven't even managed to pass a bill yet."

I really wonder how many people do that. I bet that sounds complicated for a lot of people.



I dunno. Maybe it seems easy to me because I've done my own taxes for the last 20 years and filling in your routing and checking info is the easiest part of the form besides filling out your address and signing your name. I can't imagine your accountant or online tax software doesn't make this exceedingly easy for you though too.

Quote:

Jack: "As for the rest of them, they should just mail out debit cards like most states are doing for Unemployment benefits. These cards can be used exactly like credit cards and used to pay your utility bills online without any charges. The only charges you'd have to look out for are ATM fees if you're withdrawing cash. Make sure to only use the ATMs that are listed as free, and don't make more cash withdrawals in a month than you are allowed without being charged (all of this information is provided with the card). Make sure to help Grandma out when you figure it out for yourself."

Right, debit cards or cash, it doesn't matter. It means pent up people are going to go out and party and buy shit and infect others or themselves. This concept is not getting through.



What's your solution? Install a datajack in everyone's brain so we can do this all telepathically in the future? Maybe hook us all up to automatic feeding tubes so we never have to leave home and live the rest of eternity jacked into the matrix?

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Jack: "I would imagine it does. Whether or not the virus itself ends up being as dangerous as the Legacy Media has made it out to be, a lot has already changed. I don't see how you just go back to what used to be after this."

I still have a hard time imagining millions dead, even world wide. But even IF it's that high, is it significantly higher than other killers?



It's not.

Every year, Coronary Heart Disease accounts for 17 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, Cancer accounts for 9.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 5 million people will die from a stroke worldwide.

Every year, Automobile Accidents account for 1.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 1 million people are going to die from a mosquito bite.

Every year, 291,000 to 646,000 people die from the flu worldwide.

Every year, over 378,000 people die in wars worldwide.




Let's just end this by saying that in 2015, 57 Million people died for one reason or another.
This list goes on and on, and I really don't even want to research it anymore.

But as depressing as these numbers may be, it is important to recognize them so you can put things into perspective. It does nobody any good to pretend they don't exist, especially when something like this is happening.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 23, 2020 7:03 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

My two cents...

I can't remember a time in my life where the US has ever looked weaker than it does right now. It's embarrassing.




In a word, Trump...

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Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Monday, March 23, 2020 7:14 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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No. Period.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 23, 2020 8:05 PM

JAYNEZTOWN


Spanish Chaos, will Spain massive levels of death and other trouble follow Italy?

Hospitals overwhelmed as city is overrun with cases
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a1CU9_1584901641
Madrid,Spain

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No shit!

Quote:

No Refunds: Costco Hoarders Discover They Can't Return Toilet Paper

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/costco-hoarders-discover-th
ey-cant-return-toilet-paper


Especially if it's been used.

What are they going to do with 20 bricks of the stuff?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Maybe they could trade it at a small loss for some of those sweet sweet food stamps since nobody is going to be making any money for at least the next two weeks.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:18 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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6IXSTRINGJACK: "I'm not going to pretend to know that. We've been on reasonable terms with China because they've been making a fortune from us ...."
- Pretty much FOREVER, not "since Clinton gave them a seat at the big-boy's table." We've bought cheap sh*t from China ever since they could export it.

Jack: "Unlike Americans who only look 4 to 8 years in the future, China looks 100 to 200 years in the future."
- Which won't exist if their economy tanks today. Word: Nobody can safely look that far into the future - get real.

Jack: "That's simply a matter of opinion. One that I obviously don't agree with at all."
- You seem to have very little understanding of the damage he's doing inside (division) or outside of the US (respect at an all time low).
The One Great thing about Trump? How great the world will be once he's out of office. What a relief.

Jack: "That's a universal human truth."
- Another universal truth is how weak and stupid a lot of humans are - can't stay inside even when it's in their's and other's best interest. Self destructive is fine as long as it doesn't effect others.

Jack: "Feel free to live the rest of your life in fear. The rest of us have shit to do."
- Like get more milk?!? You don't have sh*t to do! You as much say so. I thought working on your house was job 1? It can wait - no one looking to buy houses now.
Live in fear??? I've worked at home for 10 years. Just another day. I miss my friends but safety for them and me says avoid them for now. We do virtual happy hours - it's all good, and we'll actually be better for this imho.

Jack: "What's your solution? Install a datajack in everyone's brain so we can do this all telepathically in the future? Maybe hook us all up to automatic feeding tubes so we never have to leave home and live the rest of eternity jacked into the matrix?"
- Yup! Give me all of those


Jack: "It's not.

Every year, Coronary Heart Disease accounts for 17 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, Cancer accounts for 9.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 5 million people will die from a stroke worldwide.

Every year, Automobile Accidents account for 1.5 Million deaths worldwide.

Every year, 1 million people are going to die from a mosquito bite.

Every year, 291,000 to 646,000 people die from the flu worldwide.

Every year, over 378,000 people die in wars worldwide."

- Maybe you missed my posts on this, but we're a lot closer than we are apart on this particular question.
Look at the CDC numbers from the 2017-2018 Flu outbreak - one of the worst in decades. It was HIGH. We have a long way to go. Yes, there are some unusual circumstances with this virus, but the over all feeling is being stoked by MSM and the F*ckhead in chief as usual, is lying his @ss off and it ain't helping.

Jack: "But as depressing as these numbers may be, it is important to recognize them so you can put things into perspective. It does nobody any good to pretend they don't exist, especially when something like this is happening."
- It does help a bit. I think the BIG difference between the majority of those and this virus is you can catch c-19 or give it to someone else just by going out to get a jug of milk. Most of those others are self inflicted. Not much we can do on those and still preserve our stubborn but important sense of self determination, and "freedom."

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:

- It does help a bit.



Good.

Quote:

I think the BIG difference between the majority of those and this virus is you can catch c-19 or give it to someone else just by going out to get a jug of milk. Most of those others are self inflicted.


Yeah... except for the 1 million people dying of mosquito bites, all of the people who die in car accidents that weren't their fault. All of the people who are old and end up dying of heart disease or cancer or a stroke simply from the fact that they're old and we all have to die of something sometime, or all of the people who die in wars and conflicts around the globe that had no choice but to be a part of them or an innocent casualty of them.

Really, not a lot of people on that list did it to themselves. Deaths attributed to smoking include those from heart disease, stroke and cancer and only account for 450,000 of those numbers.

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Not much we can do on those and still preserve our stubborn but important sense of self determination, and "freedom."



Freedom is sacrosanct.

It's no surprise that "educated" Democrats are always among the first to give it away for safety and free shit. Always.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 6:25 PM

JO753

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Got a cardvelope in the mail today from the CDC.

The title iz

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
CORONAVIRUS
GUIDELINES FOR
AMERICA


I jiveth ye not.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 7:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Good.

Yeah... except for the 1 million people dying of mosquito bites, all of the people who die in car accidents that weren't their fault. All of the people who are old and end up dying of heart disease or cancer or a stroke simply from the fact that they're old and we all have to die of something sometime, or all of the people who die in wars and conflicts around the globe that had no choice but to be a part of them or an innocent casualty of them.

Really, not a lot of people on that list did it to themselves. Deaths attributed to smoking include those from heart disease, stroke and cancer and only account for 450,000 of those numbers.

Freedom is sacrosanct.

It's no surprise that "educated" Democrats are always among the first to give it away for safety and free shit. Always.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6ix, you are an imprisoned person repeating talking points mouthed by Texas Republicans, maybe all Republicans:

What Democrats are Up Against
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/covid-19-sacrifice-old-people-for
-the-economy


I wanted to write in with a different perspective than the one I’m seeing take hold among progressives. I work in oil and gas and, as such, I interact with conservatives all the time. It’s interesting watching the conservative id coalesce as it does.

Initially, they have some diversity of opinion as new facts come to light and then they all eventually fall in line behind the command and control structure that is the conservative mind meld.

In the beginning, I saw a lot of what I think most people assumed was mainline conservative thinking: that the virus wasn’t a big deal; that it was just another H1N1 and we should just ignore it.

But, there was a second group that more closely aligned with this new Trump/Dan Patrick (Texas Lt. Governor) thinking. The comments I heard went something like this, “This is going to sound bad, but 2% really isn’t that many people and it’s mostly old people anyway. They’ve lived a good life. Overpopulation is a major problem and it will also help with social security.”

I’m writing in because I fear we are treating this as a more fringe idea than it actually is. I don’t think this is Trump reacting to his properties being forced to close or to a Fox News segment he saw. I think this has serious legs. …

It’s part Ebeenezer Scrooge morality; part inability/unwillingness to comprehend the scope of horror coronavirus is capable of inflicting on us. Of course, implicit in their thinking is that it won’t affect them.

We must be clear-eyed about what we’re up against. These people absolutely do not give a shit if 2.2 million people die. And they lack the imagination to understand what exceeding our hospital bed capacity by 30X looks like.

I really don’t think this is Trump sending out a trial balloon by himself. This is mainline Republican thinking and we should act accordingly.


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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:03 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Jack's feeling pretty isolated and immune from this, so he's more than happy to flush everybody who dies from this, no matter how few or how many.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:09 PM

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Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 9:25 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


It was the same with 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, but it wasn't just right-wingers who were on board.

After rhetoric like "dead or alive!", "smoke 'em out!", "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - and getting everybody (90% approval) rabidly foaming at the mouth to get bin Laden - after a few months all dubya had to say was "I don't really think about him very much" and it was as if the previous months were totally erased.

The pivot to Iraq was as if it was on a frictionless pin.

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by 1KIKI:
It was the same with 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan, but it wasn't just right-wingers who were on board.

After rhetoric like "dead or alive!", "smoke 'em out!", "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists!" - and getting everybody (90% approval) rabidly foaming at the mouth to get bin Laden - after a few months all dubya had to say was "I don't really think about him very much" and it was as if the previous months were totally erased.

The pivot to Iraq was as if it was on a frictionless pin.




lol.

Yup. Only you're so blind to the fact that you're terrorized by a virus right now and they're playing on your fears.

I've never seen so many frightened little sheep before in my life. It's rather amusing.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 10:33 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?



I was never on board with it, buddy.

I don't think that Trump had anything to do with it. I think it was the statewide bans that did it.

My state actually flat out tells you that as of Midnight tonight you are not permitted to visit any relatives unless you are going there to provide for their "health and well being".

Fuck them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Modern conservative politics is remarkable. Two days ago it felt like everyone was totally on board with school closings and quarantines and social distancing. It was the new reality. Then Donald Trump announced that he didn’t really believe the experts after all and wanted to re-open the economy. Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.

How has Trump done this?



I was never on board with it, buddy.

I don't think that Trump had anything to do with it. I think it was the statewide bans that did it.

My state actually flat out tells you that as of Midnight tonight you are not permitted to visit any relatives unless you are going there to provide for their "health and well being".

Fuck them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

How we know ending social distancing will lead to more deaths, in one chart from 1918 - 1919

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/24/21192528/coronavirus-social-
distancing-economy-deaths


Consider St. Louis. In 1918 the city was an example of how to do social distancing right because it took an aggressive and layered response to the flu pandemic early on. But as a 2007 study published in JAMA found, St. Louis in 1918 pulled back its social distancing efforts prematurely — and that led to a spike in deaths. Let it spike only if you don't give a damn about death.

It’s the paradox of public health: When you do it right, nothing happens. So if we’re doing social distancing right, we’ll prevent deaths — but it’s not like people will see each death that was prevented.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:22 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Don't project your COVID panic onto me.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:26 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Within 24 hours I swear that practically every conservative in the country was suddenly in agreement—or seriously considering it at the very least. All Trump had to do was open his mouth to produce a right-wing U-turn so violent you could almost hear the necks snapping.




Kinda have to just let them do it. You can't stop a third of the country from making horrible decisions like... becoming Trumpers. At this point nothing is going to stop it. Let the gullible fools walk head first into the meat grinder. If they can't understand the exponential scale of this thing, it's better for the planet of they just shuffle off. Poor doomed dumb fools.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:30 AM

WISHIMAY


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


Yup. Only you're so blind to the fact that you're terrorized by a virus right now and they're playing on your fears.

I've never seen so many frightened little sheep before in my life.



OK, FOOL. Go to a major E.R. near you two weeks from now and we'll see if you can still say that when they're stacking corpses to the ceiling. When you get it, none of us want your midnight fool typing about how you can't breathe.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:59 AM

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I probably already have it, dipshit. I've had a cold for the last week now.

Why don't you come up north so I can sneeze on you?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

No, it isn't.

sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct

inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable

The other overused word is "inalienable".

If "rights" are so inalienable, why so some nations have 22 and others only have 9?
If "freedom" is so sacrosanct, why are so many people bound?
If freedoms and rights were really so god-given, truly sacrosanct and inalienable, we wouldn't have to write or talk about them; they would just be. The only reason why we call them "sacrosanct" and "inalienable" is because they're anything but. We're simply trying to reinforce the notion with our language, but frankly I find the effort to be more confusing than enlightening because it doesn't reflect reality.


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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 3:52 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
Got a cardvelope in the mail today from the CDC.

The title iz

PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
CORONAVIRUS
GUIDELINES FOR
AMERICA


I jiveth ye not.

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HAHAHAHA!! I await with bated breath the receipt of the COVID missive in the mail!

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.



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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:06 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Maybe this is a good time for people tostop and consider what is truly necessary.

Health, and a functioning healthcare system... that seems pretty necessary.

Food, water, shelter... that seems pretty necessary too.

Decent jobs... need that too.

The latest car/clothes/gizmo/vacation/propaganda piece in the news? ... Maybe not so much.

I noticed there were hardly any planes in the sky. How many of those trips were really necessary? I'll bet the CO2 emissions are way down, too.

I know many people are running around like crazy just to put food on the table these days, but maybe the opportunity to slow down and reflect might cause a reevaluation and reset for some.


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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:42 AM

THG


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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Don't project your COVID panic onto me.



I'd love to see you post this again in two weeks. Oh yeah, your boy Trump has fucked up big time.

tick tock
T


Deep state describes dedicated, educated professionals.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:45 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.




Heh - All of our mail sits in our garage for 3 days before we open it. And then it gets a sani-wipe down first. Not panicked but not f*cking around either.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:11 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Lockdowns work. See the graphs at:
https://angrybearblog.com/2020/03/lockdowns-work.html

We only need complete lockdowns a few weeks, during which we ramp up manufacture and supplies to test kits and emergency medical equipment like masks and ventilators.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:26 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

First, tho, I'll sanitize it.




Heh - All of our mail sits in our garage for 3 days before we open it. And then it gets a sani-wipe down first. Not panicked but not f*cking around either.




I lick all of the envelopes after I open them because I like the way the glue tastes.

Still tastes good in March of 2020.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:30 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

No, it isn't.

sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct

inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable

The other overused word is "inalienable".



Oxford doesn't agree. I guess like anything else it's all a matter of perspective.

Quote:

sacrosanct
Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/
adjective

(especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.

‘the individual's right to work has been upheld as sacrosanct’



https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sacrosanct (Powered by Oxford, who charges you a monthly fee to use their online dictionary but offers a bunch of other stuff too)

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 10:33 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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More:

- we're rich! The Gov check's in the mail! Just don't go out and spend it.

- starting to recognize people that have died from c-19 - not close friends or acquaintances, but familiar people. Sucks.

- imho turning the corner (when things can START getting back to normal) can only happen when a treatment happens. Not a vaccine, that would be great of course, but that sounds like it's way off. An actual drug that stricken people can take for recovery. The economy is going to be depressed until people can be around other people. All pretty obvious.

- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:37 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


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- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME

Yes, they can. It's been shown in Japan and Korea. What's not known is how common or rare that is. It's also not known if second infections are milder (due to antibodies) or worse (due to cytokine storm) because both have happened. What seems somewhat clear is that those people aren't infectious.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 12:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
More:

- we're rich! The Gov check's in the mail! Just don't go out and spend it.

- starting to recognize people that have died from c-19 - not close friends or acquaintances, but familiar people. Sucks.

- imho turning the corner (when things can START getting back to normal) can only happen when a treatment happens. Not a vaccine, that would be great of course, but that sounds like it's way off. An actual drug that stricken people can take for recovery. The economy is going to be depressed until people can be around other people. All pretty obvious.

- what do people who have survived c-19 do next? Can they get it again? I have not seen any definitive answer to that.

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME



There has been no definitive data on whether or not you can get it again. Any "reports" stating that were weeks ago, back when there were also claims that COVID-19 caused infertility in males. Another claim that could have come from any anonymous source to cause even more panic. (China? Russia? Putin himself?)

Don't believe anything until the CDC/WHO says it definitively, and always maintain a healthy amount of skepticism. Certainly don't listen to anything that Kiki has to say about this.




Those checks are coming, but CNN has already warned not to expect them until sometime in mid May. I think that's a very conservative timeline, and actually some responsible reporting on their part for once. I think most Americans will get it much sooner than that. A majority of Americans file their taxes online now, and a smaller majority even provides their banking info for direct deposit. If you do both of those, you will be among the first to get it. They are going to look at your 2018 taxes (filed 2019) immediately if you haven't already field your 2019 taxes (filed 2020) yet.

I think the warning about not expecting it until May is just a blanket statement for people like my Grandma who hasn't filed taxes in years because she's on SSI, and my brother who doesn't because he's on SSDI. I can't imagine that it's going to be the easiest thing in the world to get money to people under those circumstances. Although it still hasn't been mentioned in the media, I would urge anybody to make sure that people they know who live in similar conditions at least file their Census info ASAP to be counted, even though they do not provide their SS# or any banking information with the Census. At least they'll be counted and have their address on file, which will probably help, and certainly can't hurt.




About Unemployment... (And JO, you've been avoiding the question so far, but I REALLY hope you filed for it....)

The wording is still somewhat murky now, but from what I gather there will be a 13 week extension of benefits for now, with an additional $600 per week kicked in by the Federal Government (for up to 4 months). There may or may not be an additional amount added to the normal state percentage of your working income as well, but that would probably vary on a state by state basis since the rates themselves can already vary wildly depending on where you live.

It also seems that any "grace period" that usually means 1 or 2 weeks without any UI benefits will not be in place for now and the Federal Government will be picking up that tab until the state benefits would normally kick in.


Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:21 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SIX: Freedom is sacrosanct.

SIGNY:No, it isn't.
sacrosanct: most holy or inviolable
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sacrosanct
inviolable:
1 : secure from violation or profanation an inviolable law
2 : secure from assault or trespass : unassailable

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inviolable
The other overused word is "inalienable".

SIX: Oxford doesn't agree. I guess like anything else it's all a matter of perspective.

sacrosanct
Pronunciation /'sakro?saNG(k)t/ /'sækro??sæ?(k)t/
adjective

(especially of a principle, place, or routine) regarded as too important or valuable to be interfered with.*

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sacrosanct (Powered by Oxford, who charges you a monthly fee to use their online dictionary but offers a bunch of other stuff too)



Wow, how many online dictionaries did you have to pursue to find THAT one, which is a rather uncommon definition?

But, OK, I'll bite

*Regarded as too important or valuable...

Regarded by WHOM, exactly? Nobody I can think of regards "freedom" as "sacrosanct". Most people are willing to give up some freedom for some benefit; that is the principle of The Social Contract by Jean Jacques Rousseau. Here's the abbreviated version for ppl with ADHD https://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/socialcontract/summary/

Even YOU don't believe "freedom" is "sacrosanct". Do you feel free to murder, except in self defense or the immediate defense of someone else? Are you free to rob? Do you feel free to gross people out with bad breath and bad hygiene when in company? Even YOU accept limits on your behavior because, yanno, society.

TPTB ESPECIALLY don't regard freedom as "sacrosanct", particularly YOUR freedom. THEY feel quite willing to kill and rob (or to pay someone to do it for them) but YOUR freedoms are squashed without thought, like cockroaches.

So, where is freedom regarded as sacrosanct?

Maybe what you meant to say was Freedom should be sacrosanct as a statement of the ideal because in real life it isn't.



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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:52 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 1:59 PM

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The unemployment claimz hav spiked way the hell up. They were alredy swamped, so I'm not wasting my time to ask for money wen I probably woudnt get any and still dont need it. Minimize paperwork!

Speaking uv that, I gotta start bending my brain to the task uv doing taxez.

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 2:24 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

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I LIKE that idea! Young people are immortal anyway. Why not let them live like it?

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:31 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JO753:
The unemployment claimz hav spiked way the hell up. They were alredy swamped, so I'm not wasting my time to ask for money wen I probably woudnt get any and still dont need it. Minimize paperwork!

Speaking uv that, I gotta start bending my brain to the task uv doing taxez.

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http://www.7532020.com .



That's a mistake. Especially if you're going to have a hard time finding a job right now.

You absolutely would get it. You were laid off. You have a 100% chance of getting it.

I remember not too long ago you were trying to sell a piece of art you made and said that you might be able to save yourself from foreclosure if you were able to sell it.

I'm not sure if you were just joking about things before, it's really none of my business, and I'm not trying to be a dick here... But you sounded like you were pretty close to the end of your rope before you got that job.

Not only does being laid-off suck balls, but for you it happened at a terrible time because the only jobs that would be available to you right now are "essential" jobs that would put you into constant contact with people who may or may not be infected (if you're worried about that sort of thing). Many of those jobs will not even be making close per-week to what you'd be getting on unemployment now if you filed for it.


If you are too lazy to file for unemployment right now, you're literally throwing away $600/mo. in Federal payouts on top of whatever the fairly generous percentage of your old pay was for the usual 26 weeks and an additional 13 week extension. For at least the first 4 months, I'm going to venture a guess that you would be getting paid more to stay at home than you made working your last job.


Do what you want to do, but for a smart guy you're acting extremely dumb here. The Federal benefits alone that you're choosing to flush down the toilet are $9,600 before taxes. That doesn't even include the 39 weeks of Illinois UI benefits.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 4:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think I have an answer for the two shit-sandwiches (economy v contagion) that Trump is forced to take a bite of...

Since young people are at much LOWER risk of death (not negligible, still 2X higher than "the flu") why not let THEM out of the cage? People over 50, people with pre-existing conditions should STILL self-isolate, and they should STILL get benefits for #stayingthefuckhome but the younger people can be let loose to take their chances.

Yanno, kind of a reverse isolation: isolate the well, instead of the sick? This might be the "next step" after the swell of sick people flooding the hospitals has peaked and declined.

We won't achieve "herd immunity" that way, since the under-50 only represents 65% of the population (with an Rnaught of somewhere between 2.5 and 7, you need roughly 80-85% infection rate) but at least people like SIX won't be yowling about his freedoms being infringed.

There would need to be all kinds of thought given to health care workers, teachers, etc who would have to regard EVERYONE as potentially infectious, but maybe after the swell has peaked and gone down there might be enough supplies and enough tests at least for teachers etc.

Of course, junior and juniorette would have to isolate themselves from at-risk family members. Maybe that would propel them out of mom's and dad's basements.

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I'm on board with this.

I'd also say it would make for a great story if it wasn't already the plot of the first season of The 100. (Great Show by the way... maybe I should catch up on that now since I'm a few seasons behind).

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:31 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


If you’re looking for a longer read: Leading economists have co-authored a free e-book on blunting the Covid-19 economic crisis:

https://voxeu.org/content/mitigating-covid-economic-crisis-act-fast-an
d-do-whatever-it-takes


Mitigating the COVID Economic Crisis: Act Fast and Do Whatever It Takes

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 25, 2020 9:51 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Trump is getting exactly what he wants as the crisis drags on. He’s on TV twice per day. He’s got a captive audience. He can say whatever he wants and the news networks will cover it.

And with the shutdown of almost all TV and film production in the face of the coronavirus threat, as well as live sports, it’s not difficult to imagine Trump on TV all the time.

Before the 2016 election, his ultimate goal was to start his own TV news network — one that would be a competitor to Fox News and give him a bigger bullhorn than ever before. He did it! Now he owns ad hoc Trump TV and he did it without investing any money!

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 12:48 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Here's a thought. Especially for anybody who is seriously grabbing their mail with neoprene gloves and letting it chill on the countertop in the sunlight for 3 days before even daring to touch it.

You better have the bottle of bleach ready by the sink and get ready to scrub any items you buy at the grocery store.



Maybe the next guy or gal who pulls this shit isn't going to do you the favor of filming it and putting it up on Twitter, and subsequently getting arrested and charged with "making a terrorist threat of the second degree" and ultimately convicted with a 5 year prison sentence.



You might also want to pinch that loaf when out in public and retreat to the safety of your own shitter while you're at it if you didn't already do that before COVID Fever swept the nation.



#You'reInMyWorldNowKiki

Sweet dreams.

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:50 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Jeezus, these people are stupid.

SIX, you jumping metaphorically in bed with them doesn't say much for your intelligence, or your state of mind. This is as bad as THUGR. What happened? Did you check your brains at the door?

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 2:25 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!



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Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.

No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!


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Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.

BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.


Quote:

Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing.


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Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry....

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.

Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake?


Quote:

Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.

I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE.


Quote:

Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association...

I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.

Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns.

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Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist...

The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.

Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death?


Quote:

Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ...

The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.

Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period.



Quote:

Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

What he says:

I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.

A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine.

There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney.

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:22 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jeezus, these people are stupid.

SIX, you jumping metaphorically in bed with them doesn't say much for your intelligence, or your state of mind. This is as bad as THUGR. What happened? Did you check your brains at the door?



Yes. They are extremely stupid. And in Wondrous fashion, late-term Millennials and Generation Zed are proving to the world that you don't need a Y chromosome or testosterone to have a monopoly on dumb. Feminism has come full circle.

I'm not behaving any different with Kiki than I have with any other idiot on these boards who decides that it is a good idea to antagonize and/or insult me in every post. Kiki started piling on me long before COVID was a worry in the states because I don't believe that AIDS is real. You can go ahead and look back at post history if you are confused about the timelinie.


I'm not panicking here. My behavior hasn't changed. I'm not going to be washing items I buy or even giving them a second thought when I pick them up at the grocery store.

But I know goddamned well that she will now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 26, 2020 6:28 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, now for some INTELLIGENT skepticism about the virus.

Quote:

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.

[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.

All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

My comment: Services to "other" patients aren't being reduced because hospitals are empty, but because hospitals are FULL. It's a little hard to ignore the death rate in some nations, but Bhakdi seems to manage!



Quote:

Dr Wolfgang Wodarg is a German physician specialising in Pulmonology ...

Politicians are being courted by scientists…scientists who want to be important to get money for their institutions. Scientists who just swim along in the mainstream and want their part of it […] And what is missing right now is a rational way of looking at things.

We should be asking questions like “How did you find out this virus was dangerous?”, “How was it before?”, “Didn’t we have the same thing last year?”, “Is it even something new?”

That’s missing.

No, it's not missing. The virus has been sequenced, we didn't have the "same thing" last year. Apparently he hasn't been keeping up with developments!


Quote:

Dr Joel Kettner s professor of Community Health Sciences and Surgery at Manitoba University ...

I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses, we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why.

[…]

I worry about the message to the public, about the fear of coming into contact with people, being in the same space as people, shaking their hands, having meetings with people. I worry about many, many consequences related to that.

[…]

In Hubei, in the province of Hubei, where there has been the most cases and deaths by far, the actual number of cases reported is 1 per 1000 people and the actual rate of deaths reported is 1 per 20,000. So maybe that would help to put things into perspective.

BUT in Hubei they instituted draconian quarantine and social distancing policies, built 16 pop-up hospitals to treat the sick. The death rate was lowered because of policy, not despite it.


Quote:

Dr John Ioannidis Professor of Medicine, of Health Research and Policy and of Biomedical Data Science, at Stanford University School of Medicine and a Professor of Statistics at Stanford University School of Humanities and Sciences...

Patients who have been tested for SARS-CoV-2 are disproportionately those with severe symptoms and bad outcomes. As most health systems have limited testing capacity, selection bias may even worsen in the near future.

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

FINALLY! Something I can agree with! IF we can't have "universal" testing we at least need some random testing.


Quote:

Dr Yoram Lass is an Israeli physician, politician and former Director General of the Health Ministry....

Italy is known for its enormous morbidity in respiratory problems, more than three times any other European country. In the US about 40,000 people die in a regular flu season and so far 40-50 people have died of the coronavirus, most of them in a nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.

Again, he needs to annualize the case fatality rate. How can such a smart person make such a stupid mistake?


Quote:

Dr Pietro Vernazza is a Swiss physician specialising Infectious Diseases at the Cantonal Hospital St. Gallen and Professor of Health Policy.

We have reliable figures from Italy and a work by epidemiologists, which has been published in the renowned science journal ‹Science›, which examined the spread in China. This makes it clear that around 85 percent of all infections have occurred without anyone noticing the infection. 90 percent of the deceased patients are verifiably over 70 years old, 50 percent over 80 years.

I have not seen ANY such studies. One published by China indicated that roughly 30% of the infected population was asymptomatic. not "85%". So ... Stop the handwaving. CITES AND LINKS, PLEASE.


Quote:

Frank Ulrich Montgomery is German radiologist, former President of the German Medical Association and Deputy Chairman of the World Medical Association...

I’m not a fan of lockdown. Anyone who imposes something like this must also say when and how to pick it up again. Since we have to assume that the virus will be with us for a long time, I wonder when we will return to normal? You can’t keep schools and daycare centers closed until the end of the year. Because it will take at least that long until we have a vaccine. Italy has imposed a lockdown and has the opposite effect. They quickly reached their capacity limits, but did not slow down the virus spread within the lockdown.

Not true. The death rate in Italy is finally beginning to heel over, thanks to lockdowns.

Quote:

Prof. Hendrik Streeck is a German HIV researcher, epidemiologist and clinical trialist...

The new pathogen is not that dangerous, it is even less dangerous than Sars-1. The special thing is that Sars-CoV-2 replicates in the upper throat area and is therefore much more infectious because the virus jumps from throat to throat, so to speak. But that is also an advantage: Because Sars-1 replicates in the deep lungs, it is not so infectious, but it definitely gets on the lungs, which makes it more dangerous.

Hello? Respiratory failure being the primary mode of death?


Quote:

Dr Yanis Roussel et. al. – A team of researchers from the Institut Hospitalo-universitaire Méditerranée Infection, Marseille and the Institut de Recherche pour le Développement ...

The problem of SARS-CoV-2 is probably overestimated, as 2.6 million people die of respiratory infections each year compared with less than 4000 deaths for SARS-CoV-2 at the time of writing.

Again, they're comparing annualized deaths to deaths expanding exponentially and only over a three-month period.



Quote:

Dr. David Katz is an American physician and founding director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center

What he says:

I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this near-total meltdown of normal life — schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned — will be long-lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus itself. The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of the first order.

A doctor commenting on economic matters? Sounds like Trump talking about medicine.

There's more, but it's a repeat. Mostly baloney.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

#STAYTHEFUCKHOME




A list of doctors saying pretty much what I've been saying since the beginning.

And you don't believe them either.

Sounds to me like maybe you and Kiki are in a cult.



Having flashbacks to Russiagate here.

Same bullshit. Different people buying it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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