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Do you have a brain defect or something, son?

I'm going to be working on my house again today. I haven't had a job since summer of 2019 and even in Biden*'s economy I'm not worried about money.

Have fun at work today so you can pay off all your interest, honey.

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Do you have a brain defect or something, son?

I'm going to be working on my house again today. I haven't had a job since summer of 2019 and even in Biden*'s economy I'm not worried about money.

Have fun at work today so you can pay off all your interest, honey.

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Just like you, the squirrels in my front yard are going to be working on their houses again today, but up in the oak trees. The squirrels, just like you, are not worried about money.

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Capping global temperature rise at two degrees Celsius over baseline is no longer seen as enough to avoid a catastrophic rise in sea levels that would decimate the earth’s coastlines and displace hundreds of millions of people, climate scientists warn.

A report released Thursday by the International Cryosphere Climate Initiative, compiled by more than 60 scientists and policy experts, is sounding the alarm on new modelling data that indicates the 2015 Paris Agreement is woefully out-of-date. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QOqYHI0ezrmMCUrmCDV03rF-1aIYE6VB/view

The consortium is urging world leaders to take stock of new research ahead of the United Nations’ COP28 climate conference later this month. According to the report, the only road forward is ensuring that global temperatures do not rise over 1.5C above pre-industrial levels, much lower than the two degree maximum set at the Paris Climate Accords.

“We have time, but not much time. We cannot negotiate with the melting point of ice,” reads the report’s preface.

If global average temperatures rise by two degrees, the Earth faces a sea-level rise of more than 12 metres, or 40 feet — and that’s the conservative estimate.

The report states sea levels could rise up to 20 metres, or 65 feet, citing a “compelling number of new studies, taking into account ice dynamics, paleo-climate records from Earth’s past, and recent observations of ice sheet behavior.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/10098366/sea-level-rise-20-metres-report-cl
imate-change/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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-This message sent from my new iPhone I replace every 2 years which was made by slave labor in China where you can cut the smog with a butter knife.

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The richest 1% of humanity is responsible for more carbon emissions than the poorest 66%

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The richest 1% of humanity is responsible for more carbon emissions than the poorest 66%

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No shit.

But Democrats are constantly finding ways to punish the poorest 66% instead of fixing the actual problem.

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The richest 1% of humanity is responsible for more carbon emissions than the poorest 66%

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But Democrats are constantly finding ways to punish the poorest 66% instead of fixing the actual problem.

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Fossil fuel is too cheap and the rich are displaying conspicuous consumption by burning too much fuel. The proper amount of fossil fuel the rich should burn is zero, nada, zip. The proper amount for poor white trash also happens to be zero, just like the amount of sewage the poor should dump into everybody's drinking water supply should be zero.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Eco-Friendly Breakthrough: Single Atom Catalyst Transforms CO2 Into Ethanol

By Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences | November 21, 2023

A recent breakthrough in CO2 reduction research involves a newly developed Sn-based catalyst that efficiently produces ethanol, representing a significant step forward in renewable energy technology. (Tin is a chemical element with the symbol Sn, in case you are angry poor white trash who doesn't know better.)

The electrochemical CO2 reduction reaction (CO2RR) into carbon-based fuels provides a promising strategy to mitigate CO2 emission and promotes the utilization of renewable energy.

More at https://scitechdaily.com/eco-friendly-breakthrough-single-atom-catalys
t-transforms-co2-into-ethanol/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Eco-Friendly Breakthrough: Single Atom Catalyst Transforms CO2 Into Ethanol

By Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics, Chinese Academy of Sciences | November 21, 2023

A recent breakthrough in CO2 reduction research involves a newly developed Sn-based catalyst that efficiently produces ethanol, representing a significant step forward in renewable energy technology. (Tin is a chemical element with the symbol Sn, in case you are angry poor white trash who doesn't know better.)

The electrochemical CO2 reduction reaction (CO2RR) into carbon-based fuels provides a promising strategy to mitigate CO2 emission and promotes the utilization of renewable energy.

More at https://scitechdaily.com/eco-friendly-breakthrough-single-atom-catalys
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Tiny Fraction Of Global Elites Emit As Much Carbon As Bottom Two-Thirds Of Humanity

Critics who rail against the hypocrisy of wealthy global elites jet-setting on carbon-spewing private planes while pontificating about the need for the rest of us to cut our climate footprints just got a boost from a new study.
Jets airplanes are parked at the Dubendorf Air Base, east of Zurich on Jan. 18, 2023. (Sebastien Bozon/AFP via Getty Images)

It turns out that the world's richest 1 percent emit about the same amount of carbon as the world's poorest two-thirds, according to an analysis from the nonprofit Oxfam International.

This means that a small sliver of global elites, or 77 million people, have produced as much carbon as the 5 billion people that make up the bottom 66 percent by wealth, per the study.

The study also estimates that it would take roughly 1,500 years for someone in the bottom 99 percent to produce as much carbon as the wealthiest billionaires do in just one year.

The study was based on research compiled by the Stockholm Environment Institute (SEI) and examined the emissions of various income groups up to 2019. In summary, it suggested that the private jet-setting class of global leaders and policymakers, who take private planes to lead summits addressing the assumed dangers of climate change, may warrant charges of hypocrisy.

The analysis was published as global leaders prepare to meet for climate talks at the COP28 summit in Dubai later in November, where, much like other climate conferences, some elite participants will likely pontificate on the need for ordinary folk to end their reliance on cheap fossil fuel energy to make their ends meet.
'Ludicrous Hypocrisy'

Global leaders and policymakers fixated on fighting the supposed ills of carbon emissions because of models predicting dangerous climate change have often drawn criticism for their use of carbon-spewing private jets.

For instance, private jet use during last year's meetings in Davos, Switzerland, pushed up carbon emissions by four times over the average week.

During the World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting in Davos between May 22, 2022, and May 26, 2022, 1,040 private jets flew in and out of airports serving Davos, according to a January report by Greenpeace.

The number of jets going in and out of Davos doubled during that week, resulting in 9,700 tons of carbon dioxide emissions, which is equivalent to roughly 350,000 average cars.

The majority of these jets were attributed to private flights undertaken by participants for the WEF meeting.

Klara Maria Schenk, a transport campaigner for Greenpeace’s European mobility campaign, called the private jet use at Davos a “distasteful masterclass of hypocrisy,” given that the WEF claims to be committed to the Paris Climate Target of keeping climate warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius.

“Davos has a perfectly adequate railway station, still these people can’t even be bothered to take the train for a trip as short as 21 [kilometers]. Do we really believe that these are the people to solve the problems the world faces?” Ms. Schenk said.

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sECOND, I see you're riding your tech hobby-horse again. Still looking to make a killing on climate tech, hmmm??

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The United States may prove to be the largest obstacle to reaching agreement on all three of these international climate finance issues. The Biden administration presumably would prefer to delay decisions on big new foreign aid programs until after the U.S. presidential election in November 2024, since Republicans would surely use any new pledges against the president in the general election.

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The United States may prove to be the largest obstacle to reaching agreement on all three of these international climate finance issues. The Biden administration presumably would prefer to delay decisions on big new foreign aid programs until after the U.S. presidential election in November 2024, since Republicans would surely use any new pledges against the president in the general election.

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The election is already over and Biden* already lost.

If he were half the man you think he was, he'd just go ahead and do it right now.

And since when has even legality stopped Biden* from passing unpopular policy?

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SECOND: It is all about money, Signym. I'm going to go a step further: most people don't know what they are doing because they can't know any more than a pack of chimps knows the meaning of their furry little lives. There is nothing new about that for the last 300,000 years which is why the top 0.1% of humans invented gods to give the lower 99.9% of hairless apes a purpose and a direction in life vastly superior to chimpanzees.

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.... With you Trumptards, bluntness is the only effective way to communicate with you: if Trump is not the GOP's candidate in 2024, then Biden will graciously submit if he should lose the election. But if Trump is the GOP's candidate and Biden loses, he should not politely turn the office over to Trump. If Biden doesn't have the intestinal fortitude, the guts, to stop Trump from taking office after Biden loses, he deserves to lose. If Biden won't violently prevent America's own Nazi leadership from taking power, he is a worthless, cowardly person. We will discover who Biden truly is if Trump wins. Keeping it blunt, Biden kills Trump rather than let Trump be President. There have been Presidents who died soon after being sworn in. Trump will be just one more:

• 1 1841: William Henry Harrison.
• 2 1850: Zachary Taylor.
• 3 1865: Abraham Lincoln.
• 4 1881: James A. Garfield.
• 5 1901: William McKinley.
• 6 1923: Warren G. Harding.
• 7 1945: Franklin D. Roosevelt.
• 8 1963: John F. Kennedy.
• 9 2025: Donald J Trump (PENDING)

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Jeff Bezos' Superyacht Generates 447 Times The Yearly Carbon Emissions Of Average US Household
Jeff Bezos’ superyacht produces 7K tons of carbon emissions per year: report

Published Nov. 25, 2023, 7:53 a.m. ET

So much for smooth sailing.

Jeff Bezos — who has pledged to spend billions of dollars to help fight climate change — nonetheless owns a $500 million superyacht that generates thousands of tons of carbon emissions each year, according to a new analysis by Indiana University researchers.

The Amazon founder’s 417-foot sailing yacht “Koru,” produces an astounding minimum of 7,154 tons of greenhouse gasses annually — roughly 447 times the entire annual carbon footprint of your average American, the Indiana researchers found.
Amazon founder Jeff Bezos' triple-masted $500 million superyacht is far from climate-friendly, generating hundreds of times the annual carbon footprint of a typical American household.

At 417 feet, "Koru" is the world's largest sailing yacht. It produces a whopping 7,154 tons of greenhouse gasses on a per-annum basis, or about 447 times the entire annual carbon footprint of the average US household, the New York Post reported, citing Indiana researchers.

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He wouldn't be a Democrat if he wasn't a hypocrite.

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You remembered that I'm in the fossil fuel business. Good for you!

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Russia’s attempt to artificially create a migrant crisis at the Finnish border appears to be failing due to Finnish authorities’ swift response. Finnish Prime Minister Petteri Orpo stated on November 27 that the Finnish government will close the last border crossing with Russia “if necessary” and reported that the Finnish government is ready to take unspecified additional measures in response to Russia’s artificially generated migrant crisis.[20] Finland previously closed three checkpoints on the Finnish-Russian border on November 23, leaving only its northernmost border crossing open.[21] Several other Finnish government officials also signaled their support for closing the entire border with Russia.[22] A Russian insider source claimed that Russian Presidential Administration First Deputy Head Sergei Kiriyenko instructed Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) Head Vladimir Kolokoltsev to gather migrants from the Middle East, Africa, and other regions to send them to the Finnish border.[23] The insider source complained that Finnish border authorities stopped most migrants from crossing into Finland and that Russian authorities must now settle the migrants in Russia.[24]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-november-27-2023

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Good for the Finns.

Stopping Putin from doing to them what Democrats do to their own People every day.

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There are a few ways to reduce fossil fuel use:

1) volunteer to stop buying fossil fuel because you care about the planet

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He wouldn't be a Democrat if he wasn't a hypocrite.

SECOND: You remembered that I'm in the fossil fuel business. Good for you!

There are a few ways to reduce fossil fuel use:

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One reason why U.S. politics is so contested is because a battle is taking place between two rival growth models. One growth model is represented by the economies of the two coasts – software, media, government, finance, real estate, and the like...

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Except that is not "economy", that is FINANCE. Ignorant people conflate them all the time. Finance is fiddling with money in FIRE (finance, insurance, real estate).

An ECONOMY is based on production of real things: food, timber, steel, cement, fiber, batteries, chips, machine parts, and the like.
Not having an ECONOMY is why the USA is losing the war in Ukraine. Not having an ECONOMY is why we're dependent on China and the value of our dollar, so we can buy things on credit and run a negative balance of trade "forever".

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The other model is found in the part of the country going from Alaska down the Dakotas through Appalachia, Texas, the panhandle, and so on. This has a growth model based around the transformation, excavation, and derivatives of carbon: farms, fertilizer, and fuel.

These two growth models are in fundamental conflict. The coasts would love green energy, but the more that the U.S. turns green, the worse it is for parts of the country that are heavily invested in carbon assets.

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Except that's a stupid characterization.
Farming, ranching, and forestry has a positive impact, and can have a highly positive impact on GHG, if managed properly.

Industry does need fuel, but there are ways to make it more efficient. One way to make it more efficient is to stop producing wasteful products, like superyachts, private jets, dysfunctional military hardware, and shoddy irreparable consumer goods.

Building production plants that are efficient and that make useful things of durable value is a lot better for the environment AND for our nation than offshoring it to China, India or wherever and having THEM emit GHC.

Part of the reason why "the coasts" might be in love with "green" is bc they have no idea where the "things" in their lives come from.

Food comes from farms. Chocolate milk does NOT come from brown cows! Electrcity comes from power plants. Solar cells come from factories. Clothes are made of fabric, and fabric is made on looms from thread, which comes from mills. Bread comes from bakeries.

Having source tested at all kinds of industries, I'm a lot more aware than most about how stuff is made.

It should be part of every high school curriculum, beside reading, writing, math, homemaking skills, critical thinking, and personal finance, to learn about the world of production. There should be a course on "how things are made" and nothing drives that point home like visiting something big: a refinery, a coking plant, a power plant, a cement kiln, a steel mill, a farm, a water purification plant, even a landfill.

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As Jeff Colgan, Jessica Green, and Thomas Hale have argued, this gives rise to “existential politics.” Getting to cheap green electricity would effectively devalue or defund North Dakota and Shell. This existential fight is reshaping the Democratic and Republican coalitions.

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Again, misrepresenting the "sides". "Shell" is not ALL of production. There is a lot of production that ISN'T "Shell", or Exxon, or BPArco.

And getting clean cheap electricity?
GREAT, if it happens. But right now that's an irrelevant point bc it hasn't happened yet, and is not likely to happen in the foreseeable future. And in addition, there is lot of production that can't use electricity. You're not about to grow wheat or make cement with electricity.

This article is stupid beyond belief and plays to people's general ignorance and bias.
But the article is right about one thjng: this is existential for everyone, bc people can't exist without things, and things need to be produced.

So maybe the real goal is to get rid of people.

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Commensurate to its rising influence in international economic and geopolitical affairs, India has, in the last few years, become increasingly proactive at the annual climate change conference, also known as the Conference of Parties (to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change), or simply COP.

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Trump repeatedly denies climate science and says ‘we shouldn’t be worried about global warming’

Dec 6, 2023

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate
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Trump has previously also called climate change ‘nonexistent’ and ‘make-believe problem’

The former president also attacked US climate envoy John Kerry during the town hall and alleged that “he is destroying our country”.

He has posted numerous tweets on X/Twitter implying that cold weather contradicts the concept of climate change, even though the World Meteorological Organization has reported that the 20 warmest years on record occurred in the past 22 years.

He said: “We have to fire up our factories. Wind is not going to fire up our factories and it’s the most expensive energy, even solar. I like solar from a concept standpoint, but it’s massively expensive and we can’t allow China to build a factory a week and we do nothing. They build a coal plant and they’re obvious about it. And then [Joe] Biden goes to see them about global warming.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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So,when are you going to get off your tech hobby- horse "investment/ market", elite- privilege, pro- endless war, pointless zero- carbon, and empty virtue- signalling agendas, and start promoting practical action that will really help?

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So,when are you going to get off your tech hobby- horse "investment/ market", elite- privilege, pro- endless war, pointless zero- carbon, and empty virtue- signalling agendas, and start promoting practical action that will really help?

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A message to the thing signified by "Signym": even for a machine, you are crazy and stupid and impossible to change. If "Signym" were a human, you would be even less sane, less rational, and less flexible than that postulated machine.

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OH, TOUCHE!

Yeah, you really got me with that name-calling!!
Especially since you implied I was too sane, too rational, and too flexible to be human!


Now, how about addressing THE TOPIC?


PS: Reality is what it is. All your blather and brainwashing isn't gonna change it.

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Second is a garbage human being and a waste of carbon.

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Political correctness is just tyranny, with a smiley face.

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Second is a garbage human being and a waste of carbon.

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Of course.
This is what SECOND does when he's wrong and he knows it.


And now he's going to post a wall of gibberish to try and bury this exchange.

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Of course.
This is what SECOND does when he's wrong and he knows it.


And now he's going to post a wall of gibberish to try and bury this exchange.

SECOND: I've been dealing with dullards like you for decades and they require positive and negative reinforcement (or simply Carrots and Sticks) to train them to do useful tricks. Persuasion and scientific evidence do not work with lower animals. It's always Carrots and Sticks. That's how it will have to be to adjust dull-witted Americans to climate change. They will have to be offered some rewards such as cheaper electricity (the Carrot) and some agony such as raising the price of gasoline (the Stick) to teach them tricks about how to live without destroying the world. Showing them the truth that they are destroying the world will never move them to learn a new trick. It has got to be Carrots and Sticks.

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Farmers Are Turning To An Ancient Practice To Improve Agriculture
Sunday, Dec 10, 2023 - 05:10 AM

Authored by Steve Gillman viaq RealClear Wire,

From ancient Egypt to medieval England, cultivating one or more crops in the same field was common practice among many farmers for thousands of years. However, in the last century, food producers largely stopped ‘intercropping’ and moved towards an industrial type of agriculture – a shift that contributed to 34% of the world’s farmland being degraded today.

“Interest is growing in intercropping [again] because farmers increasingly understand it improves their soil health,” said Jerry Allford, an organic farmer and advisor from the Soil Association, a UK charity promoting sustainable agriculture. Jerry thinks this renewed focus can “open up a whole new way of farming” because it can bridge profitability with regenerative agriculture practices.

“In the case of growing a legume and cereal together, we know there is nutrient transfer between the two crops,” he said, adding that this reduces the need for synthetic fertilisers and its associated costs. Other potential benefits include reduced weeds, pests and diseases as well as higher resistance to extreme weather from climate change – all of which can improve farmers’ bottom line.

To understand and amplify the potential of intercropping, Jerry is running a range of trials where farmers grow a mix of crops on the same stretch of land. This is part of an EU project called LEGUMINOSE which is researching the benefits of intercropping in eight European countries, as well as in Egypt and Pakistan. In total, there will be 180 ‘living labs’ where farmers in monoculture systems introduce a strip of intercropped cereals and legumes, such as wheat and peas or barley and broad beans.

Each living lab will be tailored to its region with the farmer choosing the techniques and crops most relevant to their area, such as drilling depth, seed mix and planting methods. The idea is that this will enable food producers to produce more practical results, something which LEGUMINOSE wants to use to attract others to intercropping.

One of the UK’s living labs recently finished and Jerry says it has already provided an insight into intercropping’s promise. The test farm planted wheat and beans, reporting a 27% increase in the intercropped plot compared to the monoculture strips on the same farm. Less weeds were also reported while a preliminary analysis of the soil showed less plant disease present between the two, meaning less need to buy and use agricultural chemicals.

The economic potential of intercropping does not stop there either. Farmers can choose to grow a secondary crop for the market, such as a legume for human and animal consumption, or a plant that can enhance the quality of a primary crop.

“We're also finding that intercropped wheat is meeting UK milling specifications easier, so it could produce a premium price for the farmer,” Jerry said, adding that he hopes this drives an uptake of intercropping and the practice becomes mainstream in the agriculture sector.

Models for scale

In Europe, only 2% of farmers currently use a legume-cereal intercrop. Shamina Imran Pathan, LEGUMINOSE’s project coordinator, says it will not be easy to make the practice go mainstream, but providing farmers with the right information and tool can help them switch quicker from a monocultural farming system to a more regenerative one.

“Many farmers still don’t know what intercropping is,” Pathan points out. “That’s why we need to involve more and more farmers to increase their knowledge about mixing crops together.”

The living labs are designed to galvanise discussions among farmers and boost uptake that way, but LEGUMINOSE will also reinforce this knowledge through seven additional research fields that explore the benefits of intercropping in precise detail. Academics from several European universities will collect soil samples from farms and conduct a range of physical, chemical and biological analyses to explore the benefits of intercropping on a range of aspect, such as those around soil health, pesticide reduction and crop quality.

Early results have also shown promise here too with one trial finding that wheat intercropped with clover completely removed the presence of a parasitic weed called dodder – a benefit that could reduce the need to use herbicide and help farmers’ cut down on their input costs.

Pathan explains this data will be combined with the regional information from the living labs to create forecasting models based on artificial intelligence. This will be made available to farmers as a web-based tool in the coming years that they can use to select the optimal intercrop combinations for their specific situation.

“Farmers can use this to input criteria like their soil type and climate, and the tool will then tell them what combination of crops could work for them,” Pathan said.

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The disagreement between two climate scientists that will decide our future

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